What do we do about the little Hitlerite problem?
The merits of the petite-bourgeoisie in national liberation struggles are debatable but in the imperial core small-business owners are nothing but the spear-tip of reaction.
So how do we as workers actually struggle against the small-business owners? It seems like there's no direct way of struggling against these assholes. I would like high taxes and tight labor regulations but that's a wish, not actual struggle. Boycotts are also pretty useless for the working class.
>forget the mountain, what do we do about the molehill
get your priorities straight
>>2709382Some elements of the progressive petty-bourgeoisie can be salvaged as people if their sympathy with the proletarian cause (by coming from a proletarian environment) gives them the propensity towards ceding their property and uniting with the revolutionary Gewesenschaft. It's good praxis to reach out to these progressive PBs and groom them to be complicit and support the movement, hiring employees from the movement and being submissive to them.
Meanwhile the reactionary bourgeoisie can be sabotaged, vandalized and robbed of their livelihood until they are forced to fold.
>>2709454what I was about to say basically, the petty boug are extremely annoying precisely because there extremely insignificant when compared to the big bourgeois, proletariat and even peasantry. There constant demands that the entire global economy revolve around there ability to own a failing business is a fruitless endeavor that will only result in them getting proleterianized like the rest of us or dying as a foot soldier of reaction in an attempt to maintain there station.
>>2709548Agreed comrade.
But it's 'their'
*seriously not trying to be rude just trying to help you in the grammar journey comrade I know learning languages is tough and you're doing great*
>>2709531>>2709530>>2709450>>2709548Yes, but I'm speaking specifically about the imperial core where the petite-bourgeoisie are deliberately subsidized with super-profits via the security-industrial complex and so on to use as a whip against the workers.
>>2709454They constantly attempt to bring the workers over to reactionary bullshit. And fuck'em rural petite-bourgeoisie, prison towns are the madness of reactionary vipers.
https://lpeproject.org/blog/the-political-economy-of-the-urban-rural-divide >>2709382>small-business owners are nothing but the spear-tip of reaction."they're just the weapon" wut?
Trump's base are like car dealership owners
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/a-private-jet-of-rich-trumpers-wanted-to-stop-the-steal>there's no direct way of strugglingput them against BlackRock and other megacorpos who proletarianize them, I guess?
>>2709530>groom themhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Hearst#Symbionese_Liberation_Army >>2709382modern 'workers' are all on the teat with your pensions, sick pay and redundancy pay etc. Get real
>>2709454fpbp, the bourgeoisie will always be worse
>>2709382Theyre not really that big of a problem. The american petit bourgeoisie is very weak. They first took a hit from walmart and big box stores, then globalization and amazon killed more of them. 2008 was basically the cherry on top of them losing all relevance as a class and covid was insult to injury.
>>2742857>modern 'workers' are all on the teat with your pensions, sick pay and redundancy pay etc.Lol, lmao
Keep the decent ones, purge the bad ones.
>>2742863the majority of workers don't live like this.
50% of workers globally are service workers. 25% are industrial workers and 25% are agricultural workers. Only 0.56% of global workers are miners.
>>2748169Yeah and the coming crises will deciminate any comfort they have left.
Sadly, the main roadblock to socialism thriving. We're doomed as long as people keep insisting you're gonna become an owner who orders around worker slaves and treat that like it is heroic.
>>2748580How true is this really? Since occupy wall street we have seen the PMC types overtake every worker's movement and fill it with their own ideology. I thibk there is too much focus on a dying horse and not enough attention to the the "new" petite-bourgie like class. PMCS have the same hiterlite particle where they aspire to be adjacent to thr bourgeoise while hating them and at the same time having contempt for workers.
>>2748425His point was that most workers don't have sick pays, pensions… and the example is of a worker who doesn't
>>2748586Think of it this way. You won't catch a small business owner pushing for democratic businesses when they're making money off exploiting workers. Yeah, losing it all might make them briefly consider joining our side, but that hardly ever happens widely. They're way more likely to just open another business.
>*saves money over years*
>*invests it as capital*
<you are literally hitler!
why are marxoids so infantile?
even stalin makes the same comment about the shoemaker, claiming that having ambitions is evil, and that big capital will just outcompete you anyway.
>>2748595…what mom and pop shoe store can compete with industrialized shoe production nowadays? Stalin was 100% right.
>>2748598you literally cant have big business without small business. thats the nature of capital allocation.
>>2748599We are in the era of transnational monopolies and high finance. This isnt the early 19th century anymore.
>>2748595>saves money over yearsWhat? Most start their business through loans you retard
>>2748601as we speak, there are 16 million self-employed in the USA, or 10% of the work force, with approximately 35 million small businesses also in operation. the idea that you can concentrate the capital of the country into a single company is science fiction.
>>2748602youre not quite getting the point
if you have a surplus of money over the years, where is it supposed to go? the nature of money is to become capital.
>The dictatorship of the proletariat means a most determined and most ruthless war waged by the new class against a more powerful enemy, the bourgeoisie, whose resistance is increased tenfold by their overthrow (even if only in a single country), and whose power lies, not only in the strength of international capital, the strength and durability of their international connections, but also in the force of habit, in the strength of small-scale production. Unfortunately, small-scale production is still widespread in the world, and small-scale production engenders capitalism and the bourgeoisie continuously, daily, hourly, spontaneously, and on a mass scale. All these reasons make the dictatorship of the proletariat necessary, and victory over the bourgeoisie is impossible without a long, stubborn and desperate life-and-death struggle which calls for tenacity, discipline, and a single and inflexible will.
Lenin calls for a ruthless struggle against them.
The only thing that can stop small businesses is BIG CONSUMERS. A fascist shopped at a small family business today. Did you shop at Walmart and Amazon?
>>2748613communists 🤝 corporations
funny of course that lenin also authorised the NEP…
what do these people believe in, again?
>>2748617small businesses also shop at amazon
bezos sells the rope which hangs him
>>2748620In order for Communists to nationalize big business, there must be small businesses that turn into big businesses. During the "NEP" phase all Communist countries watch porky fight it out until market leaders are created in every sector. Then they end NEP and nationalize the remaining for the purified command economy.
>Why is China taking so longChina thinks that the USSR fucked up by not out-competing the West first before they nationalized, since the lack of competition stagnated economic development and they were forced to rely on stealing Western designs through their spies instead. China wants to crack chip technology and obliterate the last of the Western monopolies before they embark on a fully automated planned system. Their target goal of 2050 seems very reasonable given their current pace.
>>2748622not all businesses can become big
that is a communist fallacy, as previously discussed
>Then they end NEP and nationalize the remaining for the purified command economy.so, good thing is good, and the end-point is to stop good thing? incoherence.
>>2748629>not all businesses can become bigname 1 business that can't
>>2748636my lemonade business
>>2748636any business that operates on a competitive basis means a business which necessarily negates monopoly for consumers. in new york for example, there are 13,000 bodegas, which operate on the identical basis of the merchant practice of buying wholesale at a low price per item, then selling per retail at a high price to achieve a marginal profit. its literally impossible for one bodega to monopolise the rest, for the least aspect of location, which is a central element of retail, counter-balanced by rents and overhead. you can say that these are only creations of a contradiction between wholesale and retail, but retail also provides the basic service of short-term consumption over long-term storage, for example, so it makes sense.
>>2748636>>2748647to illustrate the point in finer detail, big business requires high capital investment, which naturally requires larger costs. these costs maintain a threshold on entrepeneurship and so the market becomes less competitive. if we take transport industries like buses, planes or trains, there is competition, but it is slight. nationalising these is absolutely rational, especially since the utility of these are so high as to warrant general public interest. other public utilities like water and electricity are included.
so then, nationalising big business makes sense where businesses are naturally big due to higher expenses, while attempting to collect small businesses into a single big business is irrational, since competition has efficiency in this domain. its like entertainment; it works best if it is unregulated, while if it is commanded, it loses its means to perform its function. the refusal to accept markets is a great stumbling block.
>>2748647>>2748654You are moving the goalposts from scalability to monopoly. I did not claim that every business could turn into a monopoly I only claimed that every small business could turn into a big business. There were small scale family restaurants operating within the USSR during its existence. You are a falsifier. You are a reactionary. You are fascist libtard capitalist opportunist scum deliberately trying to use classical liberal talking points to obfuscate against the necessity of a planned economy.
>>2748657>there were small businesses in the USSRright, so what exactly is the controversy in my reply?
the only controversy is calling for a "purified command economy" by annexing the kulak lemonade stand owners. i am showing you the conditions of planning being based alongside necessary consumer markets.
>>2748586The PMC is a complete meme.
>>2748936It’s a meme taken seriously by the teachers, middle managers, and HR workers it’s supposed to encompass and is thus a material force
>>2748942Is Ms Frizzle bourgeois?
>>2748606>there are 16 million self-employed in the USA, or 10% of the work force, with approximately 35 million small businesses also in operation. they are irrelevant and most either get outcompeted or get by just because of subsidies, tax cuts etc… the reason why we have even small businesses in the first place is because of gov regulation, loans, cheap credit etc….
>>2748658>necessary consumer marketsnot needed and they just foster corruption
>>2748654>since competition has efficiency in this domain. its like entertainment; it works best if it is unregulated, while if it is commanded, it loses its means to perform its function. the refusal to accept markets is a great stumbling block.oh look, we got a neoliberal. Small businesses are incredibly inefficient, most lose money constantly or get by by thanks to cash injections.
>>2748970>small businesses are artificial constructs35 million small businesses in the USA.
how many big businesses by comparison?
>>2748972what corruption?
>>274898235 million small businesses are so inefficient and wasteful that they need constant bank loans? are you sure youre not talking about corporate subsidies? why do billionaires get tax breaks while the middle class is erased?
petit bourgeois have to exploit their workers even harder to compensate for their absence of economy of scale, and they're most often extremely reactionary
fuck them
>>2749067considering a "small business" can be one singular person being an "auto-entrepreneur",I don't know why you're bringing up numbers as an argument
>middle classhaving a business isn't even middle class,and the answer to the last question is the ever slowing rate of profit (which will also kill small businesses as time goes on)
>>2749353>rate of profitto marx, the rate of profit is measured by the composition of capital. he writes that big capital has a much more diminishing rate of profit than smaller capital, so isnt that an inherent limit in your corporate communism? that big capital cannot maintain marginal profits at an optimal rate of employment? this again, is why smaller capitals are required to fulfill services. this makes even more sense when you consider labour markets, which compare wages against rents based on location. if everyone lived in one country and worked for the same company, wages would not be able to meet levels of subsistence.
>rate of profit will kill small businesswhy? small businesses are "small", so can make a greater profit for less. equalising the rate of profit can produce a downward trend, only by combining it with larger capitals - so then, you see the trick? if the rates of profit are equalised among capitals, then the only way for big business to stay afloat is by exploiting small business, by taking a share in total profits.
>>2749067>how many big businesses by comparisononly a few in comparison, what is the point you are trying to make here?
>what corruptionmarkets inherently produce corruption and the only thing you can do against that is by either struggling against it like they did in the Soviet Union or you essentially legalize it and let it become part of the market and you go only after the ponies (not to mention just the difference in scale of such corruption which was very small in the Soviet Union compared to even the modern day EU)
>35 million small businesses are so inefficient and wasteful that they need constant bank loans? are you sure youre not talking about corporate subsidies? why do billionaires get tax breaks while the middle class is erased?Yes, most in fact fail even if provided financial assistance and some turn into zombie companies. Corporations also receiving subsidies does not disprove my claim that small businesses also get them and they do. We dont care about the "middle class" and the fact that you focus only billionaires is straight up retarded as they are only a section of the bourgeoisie. You are a straight up liberal.
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