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There's a balance between conspiratorial thinking and over-applying Occam's razor. Occam's razor, basically says that when several explanations fit the facts, the simplest one that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the best starting point. It works well in the natural sciences because nature often follows relatively simple underlying rules, for example, planetary motion became much easier to understand once Johannes Kepler described elliptical orbits (versus the previous needlessly-complicated system of epicycles) and Isaac Newton explained them with the single principle of Universal Gravitation. But the razor works less reliably in human systems, where incentives, secrecy, and deception can make the materialist explanation more complicated than it first appears; history includes genuine conspiracies such as the Watergate Scandal, the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, and the countless CIA coups, all of which involved coordinated wrongdoing that might have sounded farfetched before evidence emerged. Conspiracies can also be difficult to prove even when real because participants keep secrets, information is compartmentalized or classified, and whistleblowers face risks, which means evidence often appears slowly or incompletely. The challenge, then, is finding a balance: if you apply Occam’s Razor too aggressively you may dismiss real hidden coordination, but if you assume elaborate plots everywhere you end up believing explanations that pile on unsupported assumptions. Good reasoning usually means starting with simple explanations while staying open to more complex ones when incentives, evidence, and context genuinely point in that direction.

its just pure idealism. theres no reason the simple explanation is more valid except human subjectivity

The less controversial form of Occam's razor is
>Plurality should not be posited without necessity
ie if a single cause is sufficient to explain many phenomena, then an alternative model that posits multiple causes should be revisited only when it explains something that the single-explanation model did not

But if you're willing to deal with the subjectivity of priors and approximation errors, a Bayesian framework (ie using directed graphical models) could provide a better distribution of what the probability of each explanation set would be

But then there is the problem of choosing your priors
But then I might argue we are already doing so implicitly

But I wanna talk about the real glowie razor, Hanlon's razor

We have a generation of people who repeat how Western leaders aren't maliciously serving capital, they're just bumbling oafs or incompetent

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True. Marxists have a tendency to be too materialistic. Marxists would've never predicted the Epstein class and their dealings and will still tell you with a straight face that Israel is nothing more than a US military base.

However, you can go to the other extreme, like Jiang Xueqin who's the Chinese David Icke, who gets a lot of things right but jumps to wacky conclusions.

>>2725919
it's about likelihood not inherent validity. like when something falls the likely explanation is gravity. this works for physics but falls apart for anything political or social.

>>2725936
>We have a generation of people who repeat how Western leaders aren't maliciously serving capital, they're just bumbling oafs or incompetent

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/ep-13-the-always-stumbling-us-empire

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-colin-powell-stumbling-empire-personified

>>2725948
People who fall for the Marxist mind virus tend to be extremely dogmatic because they believe they have found a system that explains everything about the world in a simple manner.

>>2725948
But Jiang predicted the Iran war. So therefore he must be correct!!!
He was promoted by leftists on his lectures on commodity production/fetishism, without delving too deep into materialism.

>>2726690
It's that simpleminded-ness that creates dogmatism. its a science, when people come to conclusions made 100 years ago and suddenly feel a bit smarter they tend to think they're the next messiah

>>2725948
Israel is nothing more than an American military and cultural base.

>>2726744
Epstein's buddy Chomsky told you that lie. The jew simply wanted to absolve his fellow jews of their crimes. Unfortunate that Nasrallah bought into his lies.

>>2726744
No it isn't.
Israel is considered a Critical Security Threat by the CIA and US military. They are barely an ally, they don't host US military personal, they don't host US assets or allow US to operate out of their bases. At most they share cherry picked information in Hezbollah, Iran that serves Israeli interests and lots of this intelligence is bad, like Iran being 5 minutes away from a Nuke for 40 years.
Israel is supported because of the materialistic role ethnicity plays in the ruling class. Among the ruling class, Jews are seen as the most privileged and elite and important by other elites. If you need money, network, good media coverage etc, you have to be on the good side of Jewish elites, you want your kids to marry Jews to get into the ingroup, you support Zionism and Israel fanatically etc. Judaism is basically a special unique elite fraternity within the elite, similar to Masonry for upper-middle class.
This is why elites even on TAFS will act like good little shabbos goy and try to show how "Jewish" they are to Adam. Because they think TAFS is a Jewish late night show for New York Jews.
This is the real materialist explanation for US support of Israel. Most Marxists are blind to it, or refuse to make it, because they view any idea of Jewish biases or agenda as muh heckin antisemitism and they live in a fantasy land where Ethnic/Religious loyalties beyond white people don't exist and you're a fascist if you say otherwise.

>>2725948
>Marxists would've never predicted the Epstein class
Muh marx prediction and muh political scandal LMAO.

Is this Marx a distraction from the real issue of Cheeto president and Epstein?

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>>2726828
epstein zog pedophile (((elite))) chomsky gates bbc diddy blud ahh 🥱🥱🥱🥱

>>2726796
Based, albeit I don't know if I'd blame only the marxoids, when anarkiddies and libshits also do that.

If anything, the old ML larpers are the least inclined to do that shit in my experience.

>>2726690
>they believe they have found a system that explains everything about the world in a simple manner.
no we don't. like i don't think marxism can explain atomic physics, or biology or anything about that. we just like his critique of political economy and his explication of surplus value, value, exploitation, profit, etc. get a grip kid.
>marxist mind virus
least kneejerk reactionary statement

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>>2726796
Good post


>>2727033
>no we don't.
yeah we do + it does

>>2725744
Actually I think you have it backwards

The simplest theory of everything bad in society is "bad people made it happen on purpose". You just need to know that people have power and agency. It's much more complex to explain the relationship between commodities, gold, labor, capital, the proletariat, the bourgeoisie, markets, the state, and so on and how this is a system which produces certain results regardless of any subjective variance and agency in the individual participants.

So while I also agree with validating conspiracies as real and not reducing everything to market incentives and selection forces, if you veer too far towards individual agency you get an idealist and liberal understanding of how society works. It leads to "just get rid of the bad apples" and "capitalism is bad because greed", and these necessitate liberal solutions that ultimately maintain capitalism. This is why conspiracy theories are so much more popular among the masses. The answers are mentally easy and don't challenge the system, only scandalize it.

>>2728472
If we kill all the bad people, they no longer exist, they can no longer do bad things. It's that shrimple.

>>2728474
And, frankly, bad people are like animals. They only understand the kind of language, of I am going to physically inflict pain on you in certain amounts for a certain time. This is the only thing that deters them.

>What uyghas wan' do when you see me off camera

>uygha strip who? I'll beat you till you lavender

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>>2728475
Let's see Musk get beat once til he's Lavender and what he ever has to say again after that. Let's see his facial geometry get rearranged.

Occam's Razor, is I am going to flay all your skin from your flesh with a razor. Funkytown time nah mean?


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