PAUL COCKSHOTT GENERAL
The cyberneticisation will continue. The antizionism will continue. The education will continue. The materialism will continue.
Sorry not sorry, ultroids and idpoloids.
aren't the /cybercom/ threads basically already dedicated to dr. dickblast?
you scared me with the pic, I thought he died until i read the text
You don't need fancy computing to do labor accounting. It can be done on pen and paper.
>>2730222I've seen his videos. He still wants to do prices based on supply and demand rather than simply calculating objective labor content and making the primary goal be to reduce labor content per unit.
>>2730216Invert the 10000x10000 matrices by hand, genius. Show me.
>>2730234Ok so you have not seen his videos.
Was he really part of the British and Irish Communist Organisation? And now he is in Alba which basically exists as a party to wreck the Scottish Nationalist movement while also being a YCL orbiter. Why would you trust anyone who only joins GCHQ organisations.
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>>2730238>>2730237You don't need matrices. You just calculate the actual physical amount of labor hours added at each step in the production process. It does not even need to be super accurate. A few % inaccuracy is acceptable. You just need to calculate how many labor hours are embedded in a product and make that the "price". It can serve both as an actual price and as a measure of economic efficiency (output per labor hour)
>>2730196And the current /cybercom/ thread is still not full.
If anyone wants to post goofier stuff related to Cockshott that doesn't quite fit into /cybercom/, there is /isg/ for that.
Rude sage.
Cocky boy already has a general it's called /cybercom/
Also if he were serious about his ideas becoming popular he'd stop being so obsessed about his hatred for homosexual and transgender people.
You want supercomputers to run the economy but two guys touching weiners in the privacy of their own home is where you draw the line? What a sick joke.
>>2730234>I've seen his videos. He still wants to do prices based on supply and demand rather than simply calculating objective labor contentMarx never discounted supply and demand. He saw them as post-production factors. Objectively, the labor content is the equilibrium price, but in the real world there is still scarcity and seasonal fluctuations in demand to consider. You have to plan around both labor content and these fluctuations. Marx only ever abstracted value (labor content) from price (labor content + market fluctuations) to prove exploitation (surplus value). It wasn't that he was unscientific and saw supply and demand as having no effect on price. Market Price fluctuates around the Labor Content, like a dog on a leash fluctuates around its owner. The labor content is the owner, and the owner limits the position of the price, which is the dog on the leash, but the dog on the leash will always be at a slightly different position than the owner. Make sense?
>>2730241Cockshott could be a serial killer idgaf.
He does the heavy lifting in a part of Marxist theory which has been abandoned by you westoids: THE SCIENCE, favouring instead your idpol, genderpol and aethetic faggotry.
who will carry the flame of cybernetics? lady izdihar? revolutionaryth0t?
defend cockshott no matter what >>2730269Based cockshott. 'Surplus' which is reinvested to maintain and expand the productive forces is just how you prevent things from rotting away. Idk why ultroids think it is a massive gotcha.
If I'm not mistaken Marx himself said that the worker will not get 'the full fruits of his labour', some of it will go towards funding social programs (healthcare, educations, infrastructure etc) and some of it will be use to further develop the means of production.
>>2730188>>2730216I don't know much about labor accounting or economic planning theories so I'm wondering how do you factor in stuff like the difficulty, dirtiness, or dangerousness of the job? I think in Gotha Marx said labor can be counted by hours or intensity. How do you count intensity or factor it in?
>>2730296Marxist theory for the last 20 years has solely been held up by Chinese and Indian Maoists, not some old Mi5 asset.
>>2730311there are many aspects of marxist theory
the mathematical and computational aspect is the most overlooked one
You are a moron if you think the mathematical work of cockshott will just fall from the sky
>>2730314Then take his economic contributions and throw away the rest. An indiviual like him is not suitable to be part of a revolutionary movement, he would be a liability and a danger.
as a trans person i could care less about cockshott being a backwards old cunt; his work is still highly valuable and i don't know why anyone would dispute that unless they have a problem with math.
>>2730316Fuck off jungle retard
Have you started the forest chimpout in kernow and cymru already?
>>2730311By indian maoists I assume you mean the Naxalites. I have never heard of Chinese maoists however. Can you point me to some groups/writings etc?
>>2730188your daily reminder that Cockshott joined the Alba Party, a not-even-socdem outfit founded entirely to rehabilitate the reputation of an "inappropriate but not criminal" accused sex offender (and to undermine the first minister for pursuing the allegations), which recently shut down because (a) their leader's hand-picked finance guy was apparently a crook (the second time this has happened!) and (b) they spent the same amount of money as the Scottish Green party contesting the 2021 election and got no seats for it, leaving them hundreds of thousands of pounds in debt.
indeed, the Alba party has never had a representative elected under their name at any level of Scottish government. Now,you might say: "who cares about bourgeois electoralism?" - well, that'd be a fair question if Alba were a socialist or communist party, but it isn't. It's a bourgeois electoralist party!
Alba cared about bourgeois electoralism! they cared and they flopped the hardest any party of its size and reputation has flopped in Scottish history!
it is not idpol or ultra behavior at any level to say this move reflects some grotesque failure of judgement. to plump for an electoralist party is merely embarrassing, to plump for one of no merit at any level, a
fractal failure of a party, that's a real blunder.
as to what could have motivated such a blunder, i would submit the answer is: reactionary idpol. Alba were an anti-trans party with more than their fair share of anti-gay people too. How about
ALEXEY SAFRONOV GENERALPaul cockshott is getting old. Safronov is young, and actually knows first hand source material about Soviet planned economics.
https://vas-s-al.livejournal.com/ [Safronov's journal link].
>>2730385Thanks. I assume you are not a yank.
Any english translation of his stuff?
TLDR on this redditor?
>>2730390Aussie. Not that I'm aware.
>Any english translation of his stuff?There is this article in English about his latest book, with his quotations.
https://realnoevremya.com/articles/8832-soviet-economy-uncensored-how-the-ussrs-economy-worked I just use translations apps to translate his work. Let us hope his works are translated in other languages one day.
>>2730403>I just use translations apps to translateSame. Definitely has opened up my reading for me. Wish I started doing this sooner
>>2730318>The present economic system is unstable and unjust>To rectify that we need to query this bigoted crypto-antisemite about how he would have things otherwiseHe is also not an important figure in input-output economics, marxian economics, or 'econophysics.' This is convenient as it means no one has to bite the bullet for him, although I don't care one way or another about cancelling anyone.
>inb4 whinging that I called Dickblast an antisemite(cope)
>>2730385>knows first hand source material about Soviet planned economicsI mean we can go way beyond that now with the tech we have
also it used to be cybercommunism general, cockshott is an important figure but far from the only one, dunno why it changed
>>2730468even if he was only the main guy doing vulgarization on it he would still be awesome
>>2730317it is hard to purge our casual language of idealist phrase mongering. my wife says "gezundheit!" (health) when someone sneezes while I still say "bless you" without the God part. But even a blessing is spooky concept. As is "wishing" for health. In the real world we have to do things to defend our health and well being, not simply wish it to be so.
>>2730357I was wrong. Looking at it I can only find a couple neither of whom actually identify as MLM as far as I can tell… North America unironically has a stronger theoretical presence today of Chinise diasporas. It's probably because the imperialist clique ruling China is conscious about their shaky position and how the people are ready to demolish their capitalist dictatorship, so Chinese Maoists have to be more subtle and so their work is less likely to be translated. Please tell me if I am just being ignorant on this btw.
>>2730368Cockshott is against the vanguard form, he is against the party form, he is against revolutionary aristocrats. Who gives a fuck about these failure parties, Cockshott did something that actually matters - saving his local water works from being privatized by using cybernetic mass democracy.
>>2730732Yeah to promote his ideas and actions. (success)
>>2730204That's some reddit historian tier take tho
If he was serious about getting his ideas popular he wouldn't waste so much time bashing transgenders on social media.
>>2730269>>2730302<Let us take, first of all, the words "proceeds of labor" in the sense of the product of labor; then the co-operative proceeds of labor are the total social product.
<From this must now be deducted: First, cover for replacement of the means of production used up. Second, additional portion for expansion of production. Third, reserve or insurance funds to provide against accidents, dislocations caused by natural calamities, etc.
<These deductions from the "undiminished" proceeds of labor are an economic necessity, and their magnitude is to be determined according to available means and forces, and partly by computation of probabilities, but they are in no way calculable by equity.
<There remains the other part of the total product, intended to serve as means of consumption.
<Before this is divided among the individuals, there has to be deducted again, from it: First, the general costs of administration not belonging to production. This part will, from the outset, be very considerably restricted in comparison with present-day society, and it diminishes in proportion as the new society develops. Second, that which is intended for the common satisfaction of needs, such as schools, health services, etc. From the outset, this part grows considerably in comparison with present-day society, and it grows in proportion as the new society develops. Third, funds for those unable to work, etc., in short, for what is included under so-called official poor relief today.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/ch01.htm Unique IPs: 24