/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Catholics are huge reactionaries, christians not so much

>>2731498
All religion, including seemingly secular civic religions like Confucianism is parasitic, idealist, and reactionary. I will not say equally so and burden myself with making a tier list. But suffice it to say that an attack on religion is Communist. Among the most reactionary religions are the religions with caste/class/race/ethnocentric systems built in to the dogma.
>>2731504
>Catholics are huge reactionaries, christians not so much
naive idealist statement. what even is a non catholic "christian." this unspecified nonsense includes everyone Orthodox Christians in Russia to Evangelical zionist Protestants in the USA

Since when is Alunya catholic? But anyways I have nothing against Catholics, my extended family is Catholic and my parents baptized me so they wouldn’t freak out. As a Marxist I believe religion will fade away but I don’t believe in the suppression of religion. Castro put it best when he said "faith is a personal matter that must be born in the conscience of every person. But atheism shouldn't be used as a rallying cry."

>>2731530
A christian is someone who follows Jesus's teachings. Catholics were never christian. Quakers are more christian than any of the people you mentionned above

>>2731546
>A christian is someone who follows Jesus's teachings
ok so almost nobody ever

>>2731536
> I don’t believe in the suppression of religion
you will leave your guard down and they will destroy you

It would be neat to give catholics there own special administrative region as massive social experiment to see how an attempt at distrubutist economics goes

>>2731589
Whatever Lenin was wrong on this. Im not a full on Marxist-Leninist. I respect Lenin and think that he was good but he was wrong on many issues. And by suppression of religion I don't mean arresting corrupt clerics but rather trying to eradicate it from public life.

It is another degenerate Jewish revolutionary cancer, centered around getting the world to bow down to the God of Israel, which in reality means getting the gentiles to worship Jews. It is definitely not reactionary in origin though, everyone saying that is dead wrong. The early Christians in the Roman Empire were revolutionaries who sought to create a new order and erase the traditions of the past.

>>2731536
>>2731595
You think so because you are religious. To be Atheist in belief but to nevertheless practice religion with one's family and community in order to avoid ostracization is to still be religious. The communists openly admit they are non religious and disdain to conceal their aims. Religion is understood not just as belief/faith (idea) but as practice. To see religion merely as a set of problematic beliefs held by an individual is both idealistic and individualistic, which is reactionary deviation from the Communist line. The world is full of people who are nonbelievers but never confess to be such, and nevertheless practice and support the institutions of religion. Many of them are even clergy, since religion in class society is a social tool for manipulating the behavior of the working classes on behalf of the ruling classes, regardless of the mode of production. It is fundamentally an inter-class institution that encourages class collaboration through the recognition of a "human condition" common to all classes for which religion itself is the supposed cure. But as Marx points out:

>The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo.

>>2731596
I would highly recommend everyone here read the Darkening Age by Catherine Nixey, it illuminates what Christianity is like in its purest form.

>>2731595
>Im not a full on Marxist-Leninist.
You are not even a Marxist. You are a Marx-curious liberal. There are many like you. You are afraid of what is historically necessary because you don't want to be seen as a "bad guy" who "oppresses people." It is evident when you repeated CIA narratives about Xinjiang, but softened slightly with your centrist instincts.

>>2731602
> it illuminates what Christianity is like in its purest form.
there is no purest form of christianity. it has always been a fractured ideology. Even when it emerged in Roman occupied Judea it was a syncretic and highly unstable ideology emerging out of a synthesis between Second Temple Judaism, Roman Polytheism, and Roman Civic Religion.

>>2731498
Probably the most brutal and oppressive religious institution to ever exist.

>>2731602
Catholicism is Christianity in its purest form

Catholicism = Christianity = abrahamism = reactionary

>>2731498
I am queer and the Catholics are trying to kill me.

>>2731611
It really is not, they do not even practice the oral Torah like the early Christians did. Catholicism is diet Christianity.
>>2731605
>There is no purest form of Christianity it was always a fractured ideology
This I agree with
However it was not always a fusion between Second Temple Judaism and Roman Polytheism as you say it was. Early Christians hated Roman polytheism more than any other faith. When Christians gained political control over Rome, they outlawed every religion except for Christianity and Judaism. This would remain the case until the Eastern Roman Empire legalized Zoroastrianism after a costly war with Parthia. There was nothing Early Christians hated more than the “false” idolatrous deities of the Roman pantheon, they would only tolerate the worship of their God. They detested many of the traditions and rituals of Roman polytheism, and these traditions were only incorporated into Christianity hundreds of years after its conception. Christianity did not start with Catholicism.

>>2731612
Abrahamism is about replacing the old pagan world with a new system of worship centered around Yahweh, it is revolutionary in origin.

>>2731632
>pagan
a reductive term for all non-Abrahamoids. Abrahamoids will accuse Atheists of being "Satanists" or "Pagans" as well. They will accuse one another of being "infidels" for not following the correct Abrahamoid mind virus. They will accuse religions which emerged very recently of being "pagan". The term "Pagan" was originally used to slander the Canaanite pantheon YHWH emerged from, sweeping the polytheistic origins of Yahwistic Monotheism under the rug.

>>2731632
"Paganism" in its various forms is still alive, and it's not even just contrarian hippie pagan revival shit. The clergy never fully succeeded in totally eliminating paganism among the small rural communities, even in Europe.

>>2731746
It never succeeded in fully destroying paganism, but that was its goal. It cannot fully destroy European paganism unless it destroyed European people. Christianity is a revolutionary anti-white religion.

>>2731774
why are you here