"Treatlers" don't exist, the amount of people that worship consuming commodities on a daily basis sand also consciously vote for right wing politicians just to keep this sort of behaviour is basically zero.
The first issue with the term is that it's just a lefty version of the Tedd Kaczinsky anti-consumption ideology, which in itself is an idealist and reactionary understanding of society.
Second, it implies that people vote for better economic conditions because the are "fascists", when the vast majority of votes are actually "punish" votes, where people vote for the opposition party to punish the party in power.
Third, it implies that fascism can be voted into power, and therefore, anti-fascisn can also be voted into power, which is utterly stupid, as communism can't arise from bourgeois electoralism
Basically anyone that uses the term should be automatically ignored.
>>2735008That AI text is utterly irrelevant, the few people that actually think like that don't vote for Trump because they want fascism.
>The meme is about enabling fascism because fascism give you treatsAgain, this is an irrelevant argument, people vote for social democracy in exchange for treats all the time, that's the entire reason MORENA is in control of Mexico.
>reddit spacing
>hasn't read marx
>thus doesn't understand commodity fetishism
>denies the existence of consumerism
are you an actual idiot, OP?
Everyting you say is wrong, but i must correct you here
>it implies that fascism can be voted into power, and therefore, anti-fascisn can also be voted into power, which is utterly stupid
Nasdap was voted in.
>>2735014>Commodity fetishism is in any way related to this conversation Stop using terms you don't understand.
>>2735017Also
>ConsumeriamBeing against consumerism isn't a communist position, retard.
>>2735002Found the spoiled treatlerite. Yes we'll take away your funko pops and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>2735026You are fucking retarded
>>2735027
Nta but you moved the goalposts
>>2735027>>2735029Your nazi tears are sweet. Over 80 percent didnt vote Communist, they were all nazis.
yuo see treatlerism is when the laboring classes vote for fascism because it's in their material benefit
this references hitler, a man who was appointed when people didn't vote for him, and then his policies created a terrible economy that didn't benefit the german laboring classes
>>2735032You can't vote fascism into power
It is their material interest to vote for a party that promises economic growth, "fascist" or not
>>2735040You are a fucking retard
>>2735002It's literally one guy spamming the term. Jannies should have taken him out a while ago.
>>2735042it's historically at least 4:
>felix>chagosposter>wrongschizo>sandi-anonalso jannies can't ban anyone. they just change ip or get on tor node
>>2735002>worship "FACT CHECK: Baal human sacrifice doesn't actually exist historically speaking" yeah, sure, ok??? So are you a pro-Epstein guy or not?
>basically zero. no investigation, no right to speak
>it implies that fascism can be voted into power,Voting is the highest superstructure of complicity with capital and class society, the thin layer of scum floating on the endless ocean of liberal ideology
>>2735017>Commodity fetishism is in any way related to this conversation Consumers who see the world through glossy, bloodless Walmart aisles of "$3.99" (so cheap!…or is it expensive?) products are the living embodiment of our alienation from the actual production of food and objects:
https://www.supplychainbrain.com/articles/37243-dol-photos-show-children-illegally-working-in-us-slaughterhouse<The pictures show employees covered in protective gear, using chemicals to spray down and sanitize equipment. In some of the pictures, made public 60 Minutes, some of the employees appear to be young children, wearing protective face glasses and holding buckets."our undocumented Palestinian child slaves are beneath our consideration" - Israeli communists who scoff at considering their slaves like you are doing right now. You intellectuals think this war is a "conversation"…but your unclean, bloody-handed goyim will never be invited inside to talk with you, won't they? Why is that?
If only someone had a name for our lack of knowledge about the social relations that leads to formation of these commodities that fulfills the desires of a certain type of (neo)liberal subject. I wish Marx had explained why people are rendered ignorant as they navigate the marketplace with cannibalistic hunger to consumes these product that are cleaned and wrapped in plastic…but still faintly marked by the presense of human blood from injured workers.
Every consumer product is a human sacrifice to the satanic altar of capital whose value is just magically created by the blood sacrifice deity of "the invisible hand of the free market". AI algorithms are just the newest fetishism of the pagan Jeffrey Epstein class of capitalists
>>2735020>Being against consumerism isn't a communist positionthe things that actual Chinese people say about their own nation's consumerism would knock your socks off lol
>>2735184Chinese ruling party is not communist
>>2735184> Baal human sacrifice doesn't actually exist historically speakingThey made many movies about it as well whistle blower books about it, as well as it being there in the Bible where they worship a Golden Calf.
It's not an awaken Jewish thing either, it's more whatever anti-god meta is being practiced at the era.
>>2735184>Eptstein!!!!!stop reading there, you are a fucking fraud
>>2735407>it's le westerners fault thirdie capitalists have to exploit thirdie workers the hardest to compete in the global marketlol
lmao, even
If thirdie capitalist were smart eenough they would invest in machinery, they won't because it is far easier to just exploit proles
retard
>>2735410Sounds like another parasite who doesn't want labor to be life's prime want.
>>2735041No you. The imperialists always vote fascist. The amerikan voted donald trump.
>>2735410You are fascist. You are epstein.
>consuming commoditiesOnce the item has been sold for use-value rather than exchange-value, it's no longer a "commodity"
>>2735014Reddit spacing is waaaaay easier to read than chan spacing. Sorry, it's just one of the few things they got right.
>>2735020"Consumerism" doesn't mean people that are obsessed with consuming. It means consumer rights in forms of accurate labeling, knowing how and where products were made and whatnot, like Consumer Reports magazine tries to do. Using "Consumerism" to mean obsession with consuming things is like using "materialism" to mean obsession with owning things.
>>2735033yes the Nazis were inspired by the US. the us is still a proto-fascist nation to this day, although trump pushes it closer to hitler-style fascism.
>>2735410that isn't an option when all the capital exported to the "third world" is privately owned in the west. it may not even be possible for the nat'l bourgeoisie to invest in it.
>>2735002Treatlers are as real as soyjaks, that is, they ARE real.
>>2735410>>2735407bait responding to bait
this is what the glowie does. post as stupidly as possible from "both sides" so that only strawmen occupy the discussion and consensus becomes impossible. let's break down the elements of truth in both positions:
>>2735407>Sorry Mr. Westerner, in socialism if you want bananas, chocolate, coffee, tea, or coltan you're gonna have to procure them yourselves, or get cozy with the people you've been exploiting for 500 years. I'm sure they'll be eager to do all these dirty and dangerous jobs just for you because you're God's Gift to humanity.you are correct that "The west" has exploited "The rest" for a very long time, but you reduce class struggle to "The west" vas. "The rest" to ignore the fact that there is a imperial core bourgeoisie exploiting an imperial core proletariat, just like there is a peripheral bourgeoisie exploiting a peripheral proletariat. Lenin said revolutionary defeatism. This applies to everyone and yes especially to the imperial core nations. The imperial core proletariat do to some extent collaborate, but the extent is often exaggerated. Their main crime is not fighting their own bourgeoisie hard enough. Only a small percentage actively fight to maintain imperialism. For example 93% of Americans never join the military and the majority of Americans do not work in the military industrial complex. Their collaboration primarily manifests as inaction.
The peripheral proletariat do also sometimes collaborate with their bourgeoisie, and for the same reason that the imperial core proletariat does: Patriotism, nationalism, false consciousness, internationalist class struggle getting accused of being a 5th column, etc. It is completely understandable that the third world proletariat collaborates with their national bourgeoisie against the imperialist bourgeoisie under these conditions. Mao described this in detail.
>>2735410
>If thirdie capitalist were smart eenough they would invest in machinery, they won't because it is far easier to just exploit prolesThe "thirdie" does in fact invest in machinery. How do you think the PRC went from a peasant dominated agrarian economy in 1949 to an industrial powerhouse with more productive forces than America? The extent to which the third world is able to invest in productive forces depends on their economic sovereignty. If the imperial core coups, sanctions, bombs, starves you, etc. every time you try to assert economic sovereignty you can't develop productive forces. You remain a source of raw material and cheap manual labor. This is to prevent "near peer rivals" from emerging. It is a geopolitical strategic manuever rather than a purely profit seeking maneuver. America made the mistake of rapidly developing China and Japan and creating its own near-peer rivals so it for the most part keeps the rest of the periphery underdeveloped and overexploited. Also the crisis of overproduction and falling rate of profit actually necessitates underdevelopment and/or destruction of productive forces through war.
>>2735470you have negated the bourgeois individualism of the enlightenment but in doing so you have reinvented the collective guilty thesis of the precapitalist ruling classes. Let me negate your negation. There is no "The Amerikan" who all uniformly do one thing. There is 340 million Americans, many of whom maybe deeply reactionary, but some of whom are not, and many of whom can be, if not now, at some time in the future, used as allies against the imperialist regime. Always keep these options on the table.
>>2735738I dunno what "reddit spacing" is but in the 2000s internet forums if someone made a giant post without spaces people would mock them for not knowing what paragraphs are or call them a rambling schizo.
>>2735407>or get cozy with the people you've been exploiting for 500 yearsPretty much every post-colonial government, including those that considered themselves revolutionary, socialist, or communist, was eager to keep trading with the West. Cuba was still very keen to export sugar to the US, Angola to export oil, Indonesia to export rubber, etc. They simply wanted to do so on equitable terms that would allow them to put the revenues towards diversification and industrial development. If the parasitism of both the Western and third world capitalist is removed, then there is no reason why this can't be done while keeping prices affordable. Strictly speaking, prices rising beyond what Western consumers can afford would actually be bad for the economy of a post-colonial country, since they need to be able to sell these goods to establish the foundations of industrial development.
>>2735832
Yeah but they won't, because they're actual human beings with common sense. They know that they need to participate in the world economy and trade with the global north if they want to develop. The surplus from the sale of raw materials is reinvested in industrialization, infrastructure, etc. This allows for diversification, manufacturing, and moving beyond resource dependency. We've been through all this before, no post-colonial state has ever deliberately sought to isolate itself from global trade. If they had the attitude you're describing then sanctions wouldn't be a punishment would they? Refusing to buy the produce of a third world country is one of the main weapons the West deploys against them. Their beef isn't that they're supplying materials to Westerners, it's that between the cuts taken by local and international capital, there's nothing leftover for a decent standard of living or investment in more advanced means of production.
>>2735892
Yeah and they can have a tea party on the moon. But they won't because that's retarded.
>>2735805>affordablethe communist seek to abolish wage labor not make wages afford more good. you are treatlerite. you are fascist. you are epstein.
>>2735898
>racial enemies
No such thing.
>>2735843
>i heckin stopped reading
nobody cares that you came up with an excuse to be ignorant you self important faggot
>>2735898
shut the fuck up jewish nigger
>>2735902
i'll rob and rape you again you fucking jewish nigger
>>2735902
Good thing the leaders of anti-imperialist movements in the global south are smarter than you then.
>>2735916
>i have no counter arguments so i'll focus on the one part of the post that gives me an out to ignore it
filtered
>>2735923
explain how that happened
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