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Would a vanguard party led revolution even work in the modern USA?

What i mean is with policy like contelpro, and with the feds just being able to track pretty much everyone that'd raise alarms through their technology as well as the technology of people associated with them due to the insane reach of the servalence state, how could a centralized organization like a revolutionary vanguard even do its job of leading and recruiting revolutionary forces whilst also building duel power and not be infiltrated and broken up from the inside?


Like theirs a reason that most active terrorist groups operating in the us have just started using cell structures and "leaderless resistance", basically being loosely related cells of at most a dozen people, but thats not really something us commies can do.


what do you think? Am i just being wrong, or do we need to come up with some other strategy for working in the imperial core?

What is your program? Revolution for what? More social democracy? State controlled capitalism? Or do you actually want to abolish money, exchange, commodity production etc.

>>2735807
If you're worried about surveillance, learn how it works (in specifics) first. If you're worried about infiltration and internal sabotage, learn how that works and what organizational measures mitigate these threats (pro tip: all states have to deal with the same pressures a nascent proletarian state will have to deal with).

If we use their communication infrastructure they can map networks, but because of encryption they won't necessarily know the content or nature of these networks. If we want to not have our networks mapped, which would be beneficial since network mapping is a major COIN tool and capitalist armies love massacring communists by the tens or hundreds of thousands, then we need our own communications infrastructure. Ponder the implications of that

>Or do you actually want to abolish money, exchange, commodity production etc.

These come after a proletarian state is firmly established and doesn't need to fear a dominant and armed bourgeoisie

>>2735807
Whats a centralization and how it is achieved?

what needs to happen in the USA is total sabotage of critical infrastructure. so much that the military is forced to come home and be used as a workforce. In DPRK the old generals all had their medals from rebuilding after america destroyed everything. It needs to be like that. total gazafication. not sorry. massively inconvenience 340 million to save the rest of the planet? so be it.

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>>2735807

A classical vanguard party centralized, with a public leadership, membership lists, and a headquarters, would be catastrophic in the current American context. The modern surveillance state is designed precisely to destroy such formations. The FBI would not need to infiltrate deeply; they would simply surveil the leadership, monitor communications, and roll up the organization through targeted prosecutions or manipulation. COINTELPRO's success against centralized groups was not historical accident but operational logic. A party structured like the Bolsheviks in 1917 would be neutralized before it could build meaningful power, and this will now always be the case in the west.

But a vanguard does not require that specific form. What matters is the function, a strategic core with shared analysis, political coherence, and the capacity to coordinate action when conditions demand it. That core can exist within decentralized networks, communicating through encrypted channels, operating in compartments, building trust through shared struggle and temporary formal formations rather than constant formal membership. It can cultivate visible intellectuals who articulate movement meaning, debunk repressive narrative framing, while maintaining clandestine capacity for sensitive work. It can develop internal brakes and cultural influences that prevent reckless escalation while retaining the ability to concentrate force when the moment for escalation arrives.

The material conditions of the modern USA with pervasive surveillance, neo liberal legal repression, a fragmented and demobilized working class, do not permit the kind of open, mass party that existed in early 20th century Europe. But they do permit something else; a distributed vanguard, embedded in communities and workplaces, and various centers of social reproduction, capable of surviving long enough to build the relationships and consciousness that insurrection requires. Whether that formation deserves the name "vanguard party" matters less than whether it can do the work that is needed from a vanguard.

So the honest answer is, fuck no, not in the form you inherited from history. But in a form adequate to this moment, adapted to these conditions, learning from every defeat and every near-miss, yes, something like a vanguard could function. It would just look different. It can, will, and would have to.

>>2737233
That pic is cringe

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>>2735807
>>have just started using cell structures and "leaderless resistance", basically being loosely related cells of at most a dozen people, but thats not really something us commies can do

This adaption is a result of a material reality, and Marxists avoiding it is PURE IDEALISM. Anyone who avoids analyzing and experimenting with these organizational forms while claiming "dialectical materialism" suffers from the obsession of fixed ideas.

First, the Bolsheviks themselves used cell structures. Lenin's What Is To Be Done? explicitly called for an organization built around small, clandestine cells of professional revolutionaries precisely because open, mass organization was impossible under Tsarist autocracy. The "leaderless resistance" model that emerged under the expanding gaze of the modern security apparatus is just the modern iteration of the same adaptive logic; when the state can surveil and infiltrate centralized structures, you distribute and compartmentalize. The form changes; the function remains.

The idea that every other movement can adapt to the material reality of security conditions, whereas communists cannot is false. The December 2008 Greek uprising stands as a definitive example of a distributed vanguard functioning at scale, directly validating the organizational framework we have been developing. Sparked by the police killing of 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, an anarchist in Athens, the revolt spread within hours to every major city and lasted over a month, involving not just militant anarchists & marxists but high school students, university youth, immigrants, and the precariously employed. Crucially, the uprising had no central leadership or vanguard party directing events; it was polycentric and self-organizing, coordinating through neighborhood assemblies, occupied workplaces, government buildings, schools and universities, squats and autonomous affinity groups. This distributed structure proved remarkably resilient and effective, forcing the state into a defensive posture, paralyzing the government, and causing billions in damage. Most significantly for Marxist theory, the shared material struggle temporarily dissolved the sectarian divide between Anarchists and Marxists, forcing a practical unity in the streets that abstract debate and party lines had never achieved. The uprising demonstrated that a leaderless, ideologically diverse formation could scale rapidly, coordinate effectively without a central command, and seriously challenge the bourgeois state, proving that when material conditions demand action, if proper mechanisms are in place, in the proper moments, revolutionary form finds itself, regardless of theoretical preconceptions about how a vanguard should look according to history.

The speed of activation was genuinely remarkable. The Anarchist youth was shot and killed by police around 9 p.m. on Saturday, December 6 in the Exarchia neighborhood of Athens . Within an hour, clashes erupted not only in Athens but also in Thessaloniki and other cities across the country. Emergency burner cell phones for situations like this begin sending out a mass alert, and it began. By the following morning, thousands of high school students had organized walkouts and were heading to local police stations nationwide, and the students engaged in sustained sieges of the police stations . This was not centrally directed, it was a polycentric revolt where autonomous nodes activated simultaneously based on shared understanding of what the moment demanded .

The technological infrastructure enabling this was surprisingly simple but devastatingly effective. Older anarchists and marxists organized communication in person, or through rudimentary technology, and set the tone. Then upon seeing the news throughout the night, Young people organized primarily through text messaging, mobile phones, and social networks like Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter. The uprising created what one academic study called "a space of openness, united action and active solidarity" between these varying leftist traditions, temporarily overcoming their sectarian divisions. This practical unity in the streets was more significant than any theoretical reconciliation.

Authorities were genuinely overwhelmed and unable to comprehend where protesters were coming from or how they were coordinating. The Wilson Center analysis notes that when the protests began, the government immediately immobilized the police, ordering them to take only defensive positions to avoid additional casualties. This hands-off approach meant that while police could see the chaos unfolding, they had no effective strategy to prevent it. Rioting and looting continued largely unchecked as authorities struggled to grasp the decentralized, leaderless nature of what they faced.Police, operating through a centralized command structure, had no idea why so many groups were suddenly clashing with them across multiple cities late into the night. The contrast exposes a common misconception: distributed decentralization does not inherently mean disorganization or slow coordination. The people on the streets that night moved in a near instant with no central command, yet they acted faster and more cohesively than the police who had every institutional advantage of central command. The police had no idea why so many people were clashing with them so late into the night. It all appeared random to them. The police had a command center and knew nothing in these crucial moments, which shows that decentralization does not always have to equate dysfunction.

The "veteran rioters" anarchists and ultra leftists between twenty and thirty years old did much of the behind-the-scenes organizing, gathering in bookshops and cafes to coordinate . These were the nodes where Marxists and anarchists worked together, setting the tone that high school students and others would follow. When the emergency of the moment arrived, these pre-existing networks activated in parallel, each knowing what to do without waiting for orders from above. They communicated via burner cell phones, and beepers, and activated across the country within an hour before the rest of the nation's left leaning population & youth followed.

This remains a rudimentary example because it was imperfect and incomplete. The uprising did not mature into a full revolutionary situation, and there were real limitations in strategic coherence and political direction . But for communists willing to learn from it, when you embed yourself in distributed networks, build trust through shared struggle, and maintain communication systems that can activate instantly, you create a formation that can paralyze the state while leaving it completely baffled about where you came from or where you'll strike next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxztGzUb66U

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>>2737242
>>pic is cringe

I don't trust anyone that cringes when they see camo and guns.

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>>2737246
>I don't trust anyone that cringes when they see camo and guns.
I don't trust anyone who says cringe. They're the type of people who would "cringe" and close their eyes if they ever fired a gun. I really could never what kind of faggot feels the need to tell us their own faggot self-destructive responses like cringing and flinching like any of us should give a fuck.


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