so its pretty much over for Cuba isnt it?
>Venezuela
>Cuba
>Iran
this is all leading up to ww3 with china right?
>Venezuela
>Cuba
>Iran
One of these things is not like the others.
>>2736635
And you never even joined the contest
>>2736635
Are you a bordiga?
If Putin does not bring oil to Cuba ASAP then Cuba might Cuba might have to build a Trump tower in Havana and Turn into Vietnam. I still think that the American Empire could possibly end in a decade so we will have to wait and see.
I wrnt on a long rant to my gf about how cuba is a poor little farm with lazy ppl but not evil cause even castro spoke to the pope and she told me stop talking so much
BUT /leftypol/ told me Cuba is AES! Why is its bourgeois dictatorship is doing bourgeois dictatorship things?
>>2737003Actually hes speaking on behalf of the people so this is what they want
>>2736635
are you an accelerationist or something? do you want some kind of global McChudBurgerReich because that will lay le conditions for le global proletarian revolution?
>>2737078Lenin was right about “left wing” communism, it’s an infantile disorder.
Free market capitalism is not accelerationist because accelerationist is technology max and capitalism like treats not actual substantial research into technology.
>>2736635
Yes yes you are correct MLs are all libtarded dengoid third worldist clowns who want to kill the damn crakkkers, who jerk it to Hasan and Deprogram livestreams rather than ever read theory.
And yes, half of them hate gay people and believe Stalin is the absolute pinnacle of human success and if you criticise Putin ever at all for anything you are an imperialist NATO dog.
And indeed it is true, all of their projects collapse or surrender if America so much as looks at them. When threatened, they simply give up.
But consider this - what have Bordigists ever achieved apart from huffing their own farts? You didn't even try to begin with.
Its easy to mock others when you refuse to do anything yourselves or engage with the real world, huh?
>Refuse to work with China
>China basically get so frustrated they leave
>Now bending over for Miami Gusano Hyper-Capitalist sociopaths.
Another South American Socialist dumbfuck award.
Said it for years, will say it for a million more. Thinking Corrupt South American Socialists will ever do anything meaningful in the long term is like building a sand castle and thinking you can live in it.
Cuba was just the stagnation of Brezhnev mashed with the corruption of Maduro, when they told China to fuck off, they functionally gave Rubio the gun needed to shoot them in the head.
That's just sad but this is just the icing of the cake of shit they gave up on socialism a long time ago
>>2737255Cuba is a shithole example of socialism but the western left loves it because they soyface over ineffective leftism: China actually represents real human progress, exactly what they fear. So instead Cuba, which has never been a center of innovation in its entire history, is lionized.
>>2737287It's good riddance honestly, maybe socdems will stop spewing bullshit about how epic it is.
>>2737370trve
nothing against the cuban revolution but there's a reason china is the #1 socialist project ever and ultroids can only seethe
>>2737374China is a capitalist country. You are celebrating the growth and industrialization of a capitalist country ruled by a capitalist class. You are a liberal nationalist pretending to be communist.
Your leftist ideology does not exist because of China. Instead, leftism is encouraged by the Western capitalist class because it effectively distorts and falsifies Scientific Socialism. You are among the strongest allies of the bourgeoisie, but especially of the Western bourgeoisie.
Real communists are not nationalists and don't side with the capitalist class of any nation. We want the working class of the world to overthrow the capitalist class and establish international communism.
>>2737433You are mistaking internationalism with Cosmopolitianism.
Internationalism is quite literally that inter-NATIONALISM.
>>2737538Yes we know you're nationalists, no need to keep repeating yourself.
too much enjoyment of rum, cigars, and watches. Remember that anon on here who went to cuba and the communist party officer was flexing his rolex?
>>2737618To own a Rolex is glorious.
>>2737374They're literally a social democratic country wIth a keneysian capitalist policy
>>2737629Unless you're white, in which case you're an aristomerikrakka
well its official marxist leninism is a failure
>muh its over
its been over for decades, the only thing that matters is if the quality of life of cubans improves
>>2737255>Thinking Corrupt South American Socialists will ever do anything meaningfulexplain what "meaningful" thing could a tiny island like Cuba have done after the USSR decided to call it quits
if you want to kick someone you should aim for the rest of latam that was never able to follow their example leaving them to rot under siege
>>2737370dengoids (at least this specific subtype) are total cattle
>>2737538Please tell me this is a joke post
>>2737099>all of their projects collapse or surrender if America so much as looks at them. When threatened, they simply give up.the DPRK still stands and its doing pretty good :)
>>2737433>China is a capitalist countryChina is a socialist country
>You are celebrating the growth and industrialization of a capitalist country ruled by a capitalist classHe is celebrating the growth and industrialization of a socialist country that abolished the capitalist as a class
>You are a liberal nationalist pretending to be communistYou are a liberal idealist pretending to be a communist
>Your leftist ideology does not exist because of ChinaYour ultroid ideology does not exist because of China
>Instead, leftism is encouraged by the Western capitalist class because it effectively distorts and falsifies Scientific SocialismDengism (scientific socialism) is not encouraged by the western capitalist class, instead they encourage ineffectual ultroid leftist nonsense like what you purport
>You are among the strongest allies of the bourgeoisie, but especially of the Western bourgeoisieYou are among the strongest allies of the only bourgeoisie that matters, the Western bourgeoisie
>Real communists are not nationalists and don't side with the capitalist class of any nationReal communist are not idealists
>We want the working class of the world to overthrow the capitalist class and establish international communism.You want to whine about China as american imperialism devours the world, you want anything but communism, you actively despise communism that does not live in your imagination
>>2737255What did cuba refuse to work with china on?
Millions must neoliberalize
>>2737797>individualsC L A S S
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>>2737827They already did, and now we’re here
>>2737433Thermonvclear Trvke
>>2737830A class consists of individuals retard.
SO wat did televised address say?
>>2737844Read a book, any book, doesn't even have to be Marx, sociology for dummies will already do a lot for you.
>>2737830there are still capitalists in china, there are still privately owned entities in china, there is still every element of a capitalist society in china, and also pointing out individuals doesn't contradict analysing things by class you vulgar fuck
>>2737797Class is not wealth. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a billionaire. Chinese billionaires make their money without capitalism or exploitation.
Cuba has been on a downward spiral since the USSR collapsed
>>2737255>anticommunist brainrotidealist lol
>>2737863You are just jealous of their success. Communism is only good for you if it is a bunch of peasants wearing rags and eating dirt.
>>2737862>Muh china is le fascistRetarded
as Dr. Maupin says: communist billionaires
no contradiction
I called it, its the same thing every time. The left has zero power, none, nothing. But they joyfully pretend that being represented in their domestic, or sometimes international culture war is the same as politics.
So eventually their utter impotence in securing even a single fuel cargo to Cuba has to be rationalized through the culture war as Cuba betraying the revolution. Or some other dogshit justification as to why they didn't even manage to rock electoralism or achieve any, and I mean ANY actual anti-imperialist goals. Or why they are so powerless, so completely cucked, that domestically, when the mainstream is literally promising austerity and war and apocalyptic conflict in no uncertain terms… the left still cannot manage to organize any resistance against it.
Other than tailing the pieces of shit like Sanchez, who are otherwise neoliberal genocidaires like the rest of em, but with a lsightly better PR department.
See also: Syria, Libya,Venezuela, Palestine, Ukraine and soon, Iran.
>>2737913And I know there are many more examples, but those remain at the forefront of the political theater.
>>2737898Who is Dr. Maupin? I would quote Deng Xiaoping:
"Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism." - Deng Xiaoping
>>2737913>So eventually their utter impotence in securing even a single fuel cargo to Cuba has to be rationalized through the culture war as Cuba betraying the revolution.truke
>>2737920the people's stock market is not socialism, still less communism
>>2737920>>2737873>>2737872>>2737856So let me get this straight because I don’t wish to misrepresent you or put words in your mouth, you actually think Chinese billionaires put in 10,000 times more effort, their labor 10,000 times more strenuous and important than any factory worker, janitor, or mail room clerk
>>2737684Implemented the reforms and worked with the Chinese seriously when they offered to upgrade and Cuba's entire energy sector. Because the Government is stuck in Permament Brezhnev mode, they refused so China eventually left.
>>2737693It is not. Leftists are retards and can't tell the difference between interNATIONALISM and Cosmopolitianism. Internationalism isn't everyone joining hands and singing kumbahyah, it's Nation based movements working together on a common goal, hence interNATIONALISM.
>>2737807Energy infrastructure, reforming the economy to allow China to actually invest in the country, adopting party reforms to make it more dynamic like the CPC.
>>2737852>SO wat did televised address say?Anyone? Or are you all just arguing about speculation?
>>2737860not really, without the reinforced sanctions and with various schemes to avoid the sanctions that were there they were doing ok
but now, 3 month without a drop of oil, ofc they're fucked
>>2737797is it really their wealth if they cant rule it, sell it or invest it however they want and must obey the party for their capital investment, and the state throw them in jail if they start to try their hand at politics?
>>2738182The party are just other porkies
>>2737997>Implemented the reforms and worked with the Chinese seriously when they offered to upgrade and Cuba's entire energy sectorI agree they should have done this but how is it really "meaningful"? None of that would have fixed the fact that they are alone against the US in the region, there is nothing they can do if the US simply decides to stop playing nice which was a matter of time
>>2737997>it's Nation based movements working together on a common goaland that goal is the abolition of nationalism, you fucking retard
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to try and establish socialism on a sugar island with no coal, uranium, or oil of its own?
The collapse of Cuban revisionism at least will delegitimize its tenants that the western left loves so much.
>>2738303It’s tenants like what? Vietnam is also gay as shit and so is China
>>2738222Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly, is in fact a Communist demand you LARPing monkey. Read Marx.
>>2738319the state isn't the same as nationalism, retard
Elect Caleb maupin
>>2738319MARX
WAS
WRONG
NOW SHUT UP
>>2738319it's a demand of building a worker's state though
>>2738345No such thing as a workers state, you can’t work and run the government at the same time
>>2738205no
>>2738222no, the goal is communism. it only oppose "nationalism" insofar as it is capitalist and primacy of one's own nation, not as a rallying force and ground for building socialism
Communism has failed
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