Stalin
>The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htmTrotsky
>In Brazil there now reigns a semifascist regime that every revolutionary can only view with hatred. Let us assume, however, that on the morrow England enters into a military conflict with Brazil. I ask you on whose side of the conflict will the working class be? I will answer for myself personally—in this case I will be on the side of “fascist” Brazil against “democratic” Great Britain. Why? Because in the conflict between them it will not be a question of democracy or fascism. If England should be victorious, she will put another fascist in Rio de Janeiro and will place double chains on Brazil. If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship.https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1938/09/liberation.htmWhat
Stalin and Trotsky tongue my anus. neither Brazil or Afghanistan achieved socialism and US imperialism is stronger than ever, History proved their thesis wrong
Iran is going to lose btw.
>>2737925Have you achieved getting out of your armchair yet?
>>2737925>Iran is going to lose btw.Delusional
>>2737931I know you want ot have your silly little revenge on me, but this conversation isn't about me.
>>2737932Iran has no way to stop US nuclear arsenal. In an all out war Iran wwould get nuked into glass. Us communists don't see geopoliticss as a hella epic HOI4 session.
>>2737937the dissunited ssnakkkess of crackkkmerikkka lost
the sstate of pissrakkkell lost
the antiimperialist iZlamic repvblic of iran vvon
paleZtine won
>>2737937>US nuclear arsenalwill never be used
>>2737937>hella epic HOI4 sessionwhy are paradox games so popular? they seem like total dogshit
>>2737943Because they won't need to, Because Iran sits alone and non-nuclear arsenal will be more than enough
>>2737942make sure you print your mantras and plaster them along your "Live, Love Laugh" wallpaper!
>>2737953>It’s already been used twice in warand it won't happen again
>>2737952>non-nuclear arsenal will be more than enoughenough for what?
>>2737960Another First Gulf-War-tier steamroll
>>2737963when will the steamroll begin exactly?
>>2737965>It will happen and Israel will use itwhen, how and why
>>2737967>You know Iran is a natural fortress fighting on its own territory rightutterly irrelevant in the era of supersonic stealth jets
>no white man is Ghengis Kahnhow cute, he believes racialism will magically stop imperialism
>>2737971>when will the steamroll begin exactly? it already has
>>2737978>it already haswhy are islamists still in power and why is the strait of hormuz still closed then?
if this is a steamroll how would a blunder by the US even look like?
>>2737975>When they choose and because they canwhy haven't they used it already then?
>>2737995>why are islamists still in power and why is the strait of hormuz still closed then?because historical development doesn't happen overnight
Remind me again who is in charge of Venezuela
>>2737985
>moralism will stop imperialism!
fucking lmao!
>>2738007>because historical development doesn't happen overnightok so its two more weeks until the steamrolling starts
>>2738010How many weeks have passed since Maduro was kidnapped and Venezuuela was forced to open their market to foreign capitalists?
>>2737937Retatd the USisrael can't use nuclear arsenal since the UE with French nukes + China + Russia would strike them back in revenge
>>2738022Why would any of those countries risk getting nuked? China wants cheap oil and I bet they care more about feeding their population than avenging the reactionary Islamic republic of Iran, the EU cares only about being able to fund boomer pensions and importing as much labor force. Russia benefits from the dissolution of the Gulf state oil export model.
>>2738039>Why would any of those countries risk getting nuked? They know the republican administration is tyrannical, fascistic and must be opposed. They are morally good countries that do not consent to war crimes and imperialism
>>2738059we know people here believe that
>>2738073Admit you are retarded and apologize
>>2737914Not OP but both quotes from Stalin and Trotsky respectively show that "regimes" which are "reactionary" from a first world bourgeois standpoint of "spreading democracy" (subordinating the periphery to imperialism) are, in the final analysis, still worthy of critical support by Communists, because they attack imperialism, like Iran is doing right now.
Lenin has many similar quotes, in particular about "oppressed nations." Some will complain that these quotes are "out of context" but I assure you that if they are read in context they support the conclusions made above.
>>2738103
>simple as
that might be convincing enough for you, but others will desire a combination of explanation and evidence.
>>2738116
Who is right then? Adolf Hitler?
>>2737925And how has history proved the thesis of leftcommunism?
>>2738099such concepts were made under a different paradigm, in which liberal democracy wasn't common, in which capitalism hadn't yet developed, there's marx quotes about england possibly being the first country to get communism by the ballot, which as far as i know, hasn't happened yet, we simply live in a different time than "subordinate country gets invaded by an imperialist nation requires that we "support" the subordinate nation"
>>2738149how has history proven the value of mauritian social democracy?
>>2737925>US imperialism is stronger than everlol ok retard
the guy is not even a leftcom, he is an obvious glowie/troll, just insult him, report him and move on
>>2738109You do bot need evidence to dismiss a statement, the statement itself need to be backed by evidence in the first place, and history has given no such thing
phew, I almost, almost reply to chagos
>>2738163an objective analisis of cuurrent geopolitics doesn't mean I support it, retard
>Leftcom retard deeply fears the Chagos
makes sense
>>2738199put the trip back on, cunt
>>2738202>Everyone that disagrees with me is the same persona sign of low intelligence tbh
Chagos literally tongues my anus, Chagos wouldn't last 15 minutes in a debate
>>2738211you just suck off the most annoying cunt on this website, i'd prefer even iron felix or the "weather radars are used to strike palestinian children" sandanista flag, over him
>>2738213Yet you shiver and quake in his presence, not even daring to (You) him. I can only conclude you are posturing to hide your fear
>>2738237The fact he infuriates your retarded ass is exactly why I like him
Leftcoms are America's strongest soldiers. They battle hard against people who oppose us imperialism
>>2738213i don't like chagos but you instantly turned me into the most fervent supporter simply because you are the most retarded and annoying poster on the entire site
>>2738310
Your tongue -> USA-Israel's anus
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>>2738310
>Wahwah
that's what I thought
>Khomeini strongly opposed Marxism. `Atheistic Marxists` were the one group he excluded from the broad coalition of anti-Shah groups he worked to rally behind his leadership.[84] In his last will and testament, he urged future generations to respect property on the grounds that free enterprise turns the `wheels of the economy` and prosperity would produce `social justice` for all, including the poor.
>Islam differs sharply from communism. Whereas we respect private property, communism advocates the sharing of all things – including wives and homosexuals.[85][86]
>What one scholar (Ervand Abrahamian) called the populist thrust of Khomeini can be found in the fact that after the revolution, revolutionary tribunals expropriated "agribusinesses, large factories, and luxury homes belonging to the former elite," but were careful to avoid "challenging the concept of private property."[87]
>Olivier Roy writes that Khomeini did "extoll" Shiism and saw a special role for the Shi'a, but not one of privilege. He thought of Shia, "the way Marx thought of the proletariat: a particular group that brings about the emancipation of all humanity," by leading a revolution to form a new world order.[180]
>Despite commonalities between the Islamic Republic and Marxist thought and practice – Iran nationalized many of its industries, strongly denounced foreign intervention of capitalist powers, shared anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist rhetoric (even borrowing imagery from Marxists),[199][note 4] while Iran's Tudeh (Communist) party saw itself as part of "a front of cooperation … for popular support of the anti-imperialist revolution of February 1979"before its membership was imprisoned – Khomeini was "anti-Marxist",[201] and did not follow the Marxist economic analysis of capitalism being the cause of imperialism, and socialism its cure. Even before taking power, Khomeini attacked the Iranian left, claiming that the Tudeh party was cooperating with the shah, accusing Marxists of planning "to stab Muslims in the back, and denounced Russia as a greedy superpower".[202]
>Khomeini believed Islam would replace both capitalism and communism:
>`We have often proclaimed this truth in our domestic and foreign policy, namely that we have set as our goal the world-wide spread of the influence of Islam and the suppression of the rule of the world conquerors … We wish to cause the corrupt roots of Zionism, capitalism and Communism to wither throughout the world. We wish, as does God almighty, to destroy the systems which are based on these three foundations, and to promote the Islamic order of the Prophet … in the world of arrogance.[171][172][173][174]
>Khomeini strongly opposed alliances with, or imitation of, Eastern (communist) and Western Bloc (capitalist) nations. The slogan "Neither East nor West", meant not only opposition to the two superpower blocs, but also keeping Iran and Islam uncontaminated by their ideas and ideologies.
>In our domestic and foreign policy, … we have set as our goal the world-wide spread of the influence of Islam … We wish to cause the corrupt roots of Zionism, capitalism and Communism to wither throughout the world. We wish, as does God almighty, to destroy the systems which are based on these three foundations, and to promote the Islamic order of the Prophet …[198][172][173][174]
>While the Imam was sometimes flexible over doctrine, changing positions on divorce, music, birth control,[148] he was much less accommodating with those he believed to be the enemies of Islam. Khomeini emphasized not only righteous militancy and rage but hatred,
And I am confident that the Iranian people, particularly our youth, will keep alive in their hearts anger and hatred for the criminal Soviet Union and the warmongering United States. This must be until the banner of Islam flies over every house in the world.[149]
Thoughts
>>2738358
Which is why it's weird you brought it up out of nowhere
Does it really matter which side any of you support when you don’t do anything to actually do anything? Sitting and going “yay Iran”
!” isn’t support
Imperialism doesn’t even mean the same thing to any of you that it did to Stalinist’s. You just use it distinguish capitalist countries I do like (Russia and Iran) vs capitalist countries I don’t. This is most telling from Jason Unruhe who has several videos calling Ukraine an inter imperialist conflict but goes to bat for Iran
>>2741925TRUKE
Both multiporistas and leftcoms are armchairs arguing about nothing with no influence on any event
>>2737937Can't help but notice you didn't answer the question
>>2741979My country the US is at least bombing Iran and possibly if given air cover will help a Kurd offensive on the Iranian border. If that actually happens in the coming days I won’t be disappointed with my government. So as a supporter of the so called “left coms” I am not unhappy right now.
>>2738366Khomeini:
>communism advocates the sharing of all things – including wivesMarx:
< "But you Communists would introduce community of women," screams the bourgeoisie in chorus. The bourgeois sees his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women. He has not even a suspicion that the real point aimed at is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production >>2737912Yeah? And? Stalin is le bad.
>>2737912And lenin said that anti imperialism is a sham and a humbug, now what?
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