>adopts a market economy
>immediately begins to develop
Idk how anyone can still be a stalinist in 2026 when stalinist centrally-planned economies simply dont work and only produce dysfunctional shitholes.
146 posts and 21 image replies omitted.>>2741019>the biggest industrial power in the known universe Liberal tier accomplishment
>>2741021You are proudhonite
>>2741019China is pure Communist. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production is complete. All systems of exploitation of man by man are abolished.
>>2740603what are those harsher measures that would make up for distributive taxes? China is unironically a low-tax country without an inheritance tax or universal healthcare
>>2741040>The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production is complete. All systems of exploitation of man by man are abolished.Then it shouldn’t even exist then, because those are the exact conditions in which causes a dictatorship of the proletariat to dissipate
>When at last it becomes the real representative of the whole of society, it renders itself unnecessary. As soon as there is no longer any social class to be held in subjection; as soon as class rule, and the individual struggle for existence based upon our present anarchy in production, with the collisions and excesses arising from these, are removed, nothing more remains to be repressed, and a special repressive force, a state, is no longer necessary. The first act by virtue of which the state really constitutes itself the representative of the whole of society — the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society — this is, at the same time, its last independent act as a state. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production. The state is not "abolished". It dies out. This gives the measure of the value of the phrase "a free people's state", both as to its justifiable use at times by agitators, and as to its ultimate scientific insufficiency [117]; and also of the demands of the so-called anarchists for the abolition of the state out of handhttps://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1877/anti-duhring/ch24.htm >>2741028Trying to see your point of view, how is that not impressive? I don't see how it's a "liberal-tier" accomplishment?
>>2741065Communists do more than just mere industrialization. Any liberal state can industrialize. Communists ensure industry is not privatized by an upper class.
>>2741065communism doesnt intend to edvelop industry, bro, we just want to make art and poetry in our bookstore with gluten free bagels and almond milk latte
>>2741068<as a class>posts individualslearn2read
>>2741061Yeah and what if you're a millionaire not in real estate, tech, or private education? More to the point, where's the redistribution? What was the benefit to the working class when Jack Ma's IPO got cancelled? He's free to pass his billions to his kids *tax-free*
>>2741081Thank you anti-CIA department
>>2741055The exploiting class has been eliminated and reformed into working peoples. The proletarian dictatorship is threatened by epstein imperialist who want to destroy it, so it remain proletarian dictatorship.
>>2741068You take the assets which independent proletarian managers of means of production operate as if it were capitalist private property. You are wrong. In China, the independent proletarian managers of vast means of productions do not operate capitalistically. Proletarian managers of vast means of production earn Communist wages that are planned in accordance with principle material laws of socialism production. Capitalism cannot exist in China because wages under the socialist system are fundamentally different from wages under the capitalist system. Under the capitalist system, labor power is a commodity. Wages are incomes for the sale of labor power. They embody the relations between the employer and the employee, between the exploiter and the exploited, existing between the capitalist and the worker. Under the socialist system, workers are masters of the state and the enterprises. Labor power is not a commodity. It cannot be sold to themselves. Wages are no longer a transformation of the value or price of labor power. They are a form of state distribution of personal consumer goods according to the principle of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his labor.”
>>2741068>no female proletarian managerwhy is China like this
>>2741111China learned from the mistakes of the USSR. It won't happen again
>>2741118by adopting a market economy?
>>2741104>The exploiting class has been eliminated and reformed into working peoples.Then it should not exist.
>>2741137Among other things yes
>>2740915revisionists tend to be like that
>>2740915I love when people ignore material reality and focus on beig pure blooded purist communist that want to belong to a group with labels such a marxist-leninist or revolutionary instead of seeking for a viable way to emmancipate the working class according to current objective reality
>>2741265I don't think it's ignoring material reality to wonder why the people's republic has a stock market
>>2741148Exploiters do not exist in China
>>2741357The Communist stock markets nurtures Communist labor attitude by allowing workers to voluntarily redistribute their own earning into the greater socialist enterprise, putting socialist construction above selfishness, elevating them to master of production.
>>2741443>corpo speak gibberish Let's put a pin and this and circle around back to it.
Why does China allow foreign investors?
Communism is when you break your back making plastic bullshit and get a 401k
>>2741462The workers exploit foreign capital by using their dictatorship over means of production to exploit foreign investors, revolutionizing the forces of production and enriching workers
>>2741443>The Communist stock marketsyou lost me there.
What is next? the "People's Billionaires(tm)"?
>>2741539I will explain. Communist stocks allow workers to volunarily redistribute their own earning back into socialist production in exchange for deferred labor voucher claim of future aggregate product. In Communist stock market, Communist state enterprise has leading role. Communist stocks are not certificate of exploitation, Communist stocks are planned production and consumption of social aggregate product. Communist stocks market is democratic mass-line planned production.
>>2741415Then China should not exist
>>2741539There are no "billionaires" in Communist China. "Billionaire" is social relation specific only to imperialism. The socialist transformation of private ownership of the means of production has been completed, the system of exploitation of man by man abolished, and a socialist system established. The exploiting class, as a class, has been eliminated. There are proletarian managers of vast means of production who, as a class, draw income thousands of times less personal income than their imperialist form.
https://www.yicaiglobal.com/news/senior-exec-pay-slumps-at-chinese-listed-firms-in-2023-for-first-time-in-20-years-report-says The chairman of biotech firm WuXi AppTec, Li Ge, a "billionaire", was the highest paid executive with a salary of CNY41.9 million (USD5.7 million). To equate these proletarians who manage vast means of production with imperialist ceo billionaires is to fail to grasp distinction between socialist manager and capitalist exploiter.
DEATH TO REVISIONISTS, BUKHARINISTS AND RIGHT CAPITALIST ROADERS
UP THE BANNERS OF MARXISM-LENINISM AND MAO ZEDONG THOUGHT
>>2741712You are revisionist who fails to grasp Mao Thought. To negate the commodity aspects of socialist direct social products and to attempt to abolish commodity production prematurely is obviously erroneous. Ch’en Po-ta, a renegade and Trotskyite, clamored for the abolition of commodity production and exchange during the period of the rapid development of China’s rural people’s commune movement in a vain attempt to lead revolution and construction astray. Chairman Mao saw through this conspiracy in time and engaged him in a resolute struggle. In the resolutions of the Sixth Plenum of the Eighth Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party personally convened and chaired by Chairman Mao, this was pointed out: “This way of thinking which attempts to prematurely abolish commodity production and exchange, prematurely negate the constructive role of commodities, value, money, and price is detrimental to developing socialist construction and is therefore incorrect.”
>>2741745
This is same as when imperialists say "xi is a multitrillionaire" because because the party controls everything. The asset belong to the people, not the manager. You fail to grasp scientific understanding of socialist relation.
>>2741745
Also Forbes,
>Mortality rate notwithstanding, what's more disturbing is how these mega wealthy souls met their demise. According to China Daily, 15 were murdered, 17 committed suicide, seven died from accidents and 19 died from illness. Oh, yes, and 14 were executed. (Welcome to China.)
>I don't know about you but I find it somewhat improbable that among such a small population there could be so many "suicides," "accidents" and "death by disease" (the average age of those who died from illness was only 48). I'm only speculating but the homicide toll could really be much higher.
Also Marx,
>The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionizing the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society.
>No social order ever perishes before all the productive forces for which there is room in it have developed; and new, higher relations of production never appear before the material conditions of their existence have matured in the womb of the old society itself.
They are harvesting capitalism’s productive power, while avoiding capitalism’s political hegemony. Thus, the logic of capital is tactically deployed, but the logic of socialism (planning, class leadership of the proletariat through the Party) still hegemonizes the system. This led to CATL, Unitree, BYD, Deepseek, etc which will help develop the new quality productive forces (AI, Robotics, renewable energy and the coming 4th Industrial Revolution) so the relations of production can eventually change. The bourgeois become their own grave digger as Marx predicts. Eventually, mass unemployment from automation severs the link between labor and value creation central to capitalism as AI becomes more capable of automating cognitive, physical, and logistical labor. If labor is no longer the source of value, if abundance becomes the norm, if centralized coordination replaces markets, it then becomes historically necessary for the relations of production to transform in order to match the new productive reality. That's because trying to fit this level of productive power into capitalism is like pouring molten metal into a wooden mold, it breaks the form.
Deng never liberalized the superstructure. China has a Leninist state apparatus where the CPC monopolizes political power along with a cadre system where political officials must study Marxist Leninism.
The bourgeoise cannot buy media companies as media companies are state owned.
The bourgeoise cannot buy elections through liberal democracy.
The largest banks in China are state owned. The party directly appoints the people and internal CPC committees guide major decisions. 98% of finance is state-controlled in China. China has also implemented a salary cap for employees at state owned financial institutions.
While China does have a stock market, its economy does not rely on the stock market and gets financed primarily through state bank loans and government funding. The loans and funding are set through five year plans that shape industrial policy and set strategic direction, often through "policy banks" that do not care about profit and will take reasonable losses to to achieve social ends.
In China, the heights of the economy are state owned. Sectors like aerospace, airlines, aluminum, architecture & design, automotive, aviation, banking, chemicals, coal, engineering, forestry, heavy equipment, gold, grain, heavy machinery, intelligence services, iron, materials, metallurgy, mining, non-ferrous metals, nuclear energy, ocean shipping, oil, pharmaceuticals, postal services, rail, salt, science and technology research, ship building, silk, steel, telecoms, travel and utilities are monopolized by the state.
For private companies with more than >100 employee count, China has special golden shares to exert control. This allows the CPC to secure secure board seats and veto powers to override key operational decisions.
China has what are known as 'economic development zones' where foreign capital is permitted. These come in provincial and state level varieties. Currently, there are over a hundred different economic development zones, but the fact remains that the Chinese government chooses exactly where each zone is, and therefore directly influences the flow of capital into the country. In this sense, Capitalism and billionaires are allowed, although generally controlled, because the CPC is trying to build up their productive forces. But this is not without consequences or hostility to the bourgeois class. According to Forbes, China executed 14 billionaires in a period of 8 years.
The corollary question is, has the working class benefited from the Communist party? Yes. Wages have been increasingly annually at 12%+. Per capita disposable income went up 22.8 times in the last 40 years. Life expectancy has surpassed the US. They've reduced pollution: annual deaths from air pollution in China peaked in 2013 and are now below 1990 levels. Suicide rates were high in the 1990s but a 2016 WHO report shows that has dropped significantly and China now has among the lowest suicide per capita in the world. Professor Paul Yip at the University of Hong Kong said "no country has ever achieved such a rapid decline in suicides." And 800 million people have been lifted out of extreme poverty. The CCP has a 92% approval rating of their government according to a Harvard study.
>>2741911In China, there is no bourgeoisie. The exploiting class was eliminated.
>Capitalism and billionaires are allowedWrong. Read
>>2741104 >>2742019
You dont even pretend to care about workers when you attack Communism. You are epstein
>>2742015Is Elon Musk, who manufactures and sells cars in China, bourgeois? What's the difference between how Elon does business in China vs how he does it anywhere else on the planet?
>>2742052Inside China Elon Musk constitutes proletarian manager subordinated to dictatorship of proletariat. Foreign imperialist capital gets compelled to produce aggregate social product to the people, channel social product into socialist accumulation under public land ownership without forming any domestic exploiting class relation, transfer cutting edge means of production, unlike unrestricted private accumulation Musk exploits elsewhere on planet.
>>2742098>Inside China Elon Musk constitutes proletarian manager subordinated to dictatorship of proletariatIn China, billionaire Elon Musk is considered part of the proletariat? When people speak of the views of the Chinese proletariat, these include their millionaires and billionaires?
>>2742098is….is this bait or retardation?
>>2742485wrong. communist is china.
>>2742478Outside Communism, Elon is bourgeois. Inside Communist China, elon is reformed manager who submit to the workers and their system, always working towards redemption and reformation by hand of the Party . There are no "billionaires" in China.