>>2738756You seem to me like a liberal who doesn't understand that the state arises from the irreconcilability of social classes between those who own property, those who don't, and their other competitors. For you, the state is a neutral entity, not an instrument of one class to oppress another? If you use the argument about the lumpenproletariat as an excuse, then I'll have to respond that the only problem with the lumpenproletariat is that, lacking a connection to the means of production and its precariousness, it desperately acts as a henchman of the bourgeoisie to prevent the organization of workers, and therefore doesn't develop class consciousness. However, this individual can join the movement as long as they understand that their interest must be aligned with the proletariat in abolishing private property.
All communist leaders, from Marx and Engels to Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, knew that the penal system and the bourgeois state exist only to defend the interests of the ruling classes in maintaining private property and exploiting workers. This is why, in and before a revolution, communists act within both the legal and illegal spheres of the bourgeois state and do not tolerate the transfer of repressive power to the bourgeois state that serves the bourgeoisie in order to abolish private property. Here, the army and police are abolished so that workers can organize themselves into self-defense committees to form the Red Guard and defend their interests. The Red Army eventually forms to defend collective public property and maintain the supremacy of the proletariat in the expropriation of capitalists, landowners, speculators, and reactionaries who impede the abolition of private property and the formation of the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Communists are revolutionaries and will abolish all institutions of the bourgeois state to form the state of proletarian democracy and implement a socialist economy. The victims of imperialism found within the lumpenproletariat will receive a working life with employment, education, and housing, along with re-education of antisocial tendencies. Those who oppose the movement and act as counter-revolutionaries will be punished, as will all counter-revolutionaries and agents of capitalist imperialism who resist the liberation of the workers centered on the proletariat. The question of punishment in a proletarian state depends on whether this state has been consolidated and possesses sufficient resources, but priority will be given to re-educating those bourgeois and their agents who surrender to encourage the surrender of others during consolidation. However, after the socialization of the economy, the dictatorship of the proletariat must be defended against counter-revolutionaries, while antisocial elements can be more rationally minimized.
If you wish, I can quote Lenin demanding the abolition of the bourgeoisie's repressive institutions because they are an obstacle to revolution, serving as a weapon against the working class in seizing power. To facilitate the revolution and due to the alienation of the agents of capital's repression, the repression of the bourgeois state will have to be prevented with greater control and civil participation to prepare the popular militia of the working class and the red army that will defend the new ruling class that will abolish the capitalists and the proletariat so that all property is planned in a common plan.
Now, here's a quote for you to read:
<The party of the proletariat cannot rest content with a bourgeois parliamentary democratic republic, which throughout the world preserves and strives to perpetuate the monarchist instruments for the oppression of the masses, namely, the police, the standing army, and the privileged bureaucracy.
<The party fights for a more democratic workers’ and peasants’ republic, in which the police and the standing army will be abolished and replaced by the universally armed people, by a people’s militia; all officials will be not only elective, but also subject to recall at any time upon the demand of a majority of the electors; all officials, without exception, will be paid at a rate not exceeding the average wage of a competent worker; parliamentary representative institutions will be gradually replaced by Soviets of people’s representatives (from various classes and professions, or from various localities), functioning as both legislative and executive bodies.[…]
<11) Judges and other officials, both civil and military, to be elected by the people with the right to recall any of them at any time by decision of a majority of their electors.
<12) The police and standing army to be replaced by the universally armed people; workers and other employees to receive regular wages from the capitalists for the time devoted to public service in the people’s militia.[…]
<In the endeavour to achieve its immediate aims, the Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party supports every oppositional and revolutionary movement directed against the existing social and political set-up in Russia, but at the same time emphatically rejects all reformist projects involving any expansion or consolidation of the guardianship of the police and bureaucracy over the labouring masses.
<V. I. Lenin, 1917, Materials Relating to the Revision of the Party Programme, 4. Draft of Revised Programmehttps://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/reviprog/ch04.htm