Let's say the revolution happens and it goes smoothly, No civil war or foreign interference which prevents it from properly functioning, and it transitions into a socialist economy, How authoritarian would your state be?
What amount of authority is tolerable in your view?
This question isn't directed to anarchists because obviously
>state
Let's say the agricultural revolution happens and goes smoothly. No famines or plagues which prevent it from properly functioning. How religious would your state be? Would it have a god-king or be ruled by a caste of priests?
>>2746761Name one revolution that went smoothly op.
>>2746761>How authoritarian would your state be?The revolution has failed if the result is an authoritarian slave society instead of a proletarian democracy.
>>2746761was this anarchist propaganda?
>>2747535this
>>2746761>>2747716>authoritarianCan we get this libs banned
>>2747777You do understand that communism is stateless?
>>2747716Well yes, it's been pretty clear the revolution has failed, that's why they were making up shit like siege socialism (because you still need to do something when you become the government, you're not just going to put your hands up and say "fuck it, shock therapy time, it's le progressive after all")
no govnmnt tak away ma meth en tax
it is gonna be a mix of hoxha, stalin, mao zedong, and gonzalo, idk which one is better but anything outside totalitarian devotion to the proletariat and marxism-leninism gotta be reeducated
>>>2746761
>How authoritarian would your state be?
state authoritarianism always depend on how threatened it is at that moment, so the question is kinda meaningless
>>2747781Yes, so? Authoritarian is still a lib anti-AES/communist buzzword
>>2747851Yes but this doesnt mean communism is some kind of pro-authoritarian caricature americans say it is in their propaganda. Cuba is a good example of a very democratic society with neighbourhood councils etc.
>>2746761>Let's say the revolution happens and it goes smoothly, No civil war or foreign interference which prevents it from properly functioningInherently contradictory statement. Revolution is civil war and civil war has foreign interference, there's no such thing as a "properly functioning" revolution, the only factor is whether it is successful or it gets crushed
>How authoritarian would your state be?The maximum amount
>What amount of authority is tolerable in your view?The maximum amount
sage, ban all libs
>>2746761>How authoritarian would your state be?It’ll be 3 authoritarianism. Seriously OP what you mean by that? Authoritarian meaningless term, all states are authoritarian that’s where authority is derived from. Also one man’s freedom can be another’s slavery. I believe in mandatory vaccines, because I want to live in a society free of measles and polio. A retard might see that as the state being authoritarian. Freedom should be maximized but it’s something that has to be done with careful consideration and weighed against the freedom of others.
>>2747870<Authoritarian is still a lib anti-AES/communist buzzword>Yes but lemme just use it as if it means anything anywaylmao
>>2747870>Yes but this doesnt mean communism is some kind of pro-authoritarian caricature americans say it is in their propaganda.Mmm, yeah? That's exactly my point. Plus it could not even be "pro-authoritarian" since that is impossible
>CubaAcording to the people that use the word "authoritarian" that is a brutal socialist totalitarian dictatorship
>>2746761It's hard to tell what you mean by authoritarianism but I'll try to answer:
>legislative sortitioned single-chamber assembly with recall ability for constituents>constitutional protection of standard liberal democratic civil rights like free speed + safeguards against oligarchical wielding of mop>direct democratic relations of production with delegation of powers and recall ability, public resource pool for individual and group enterprise managed by councils, government sector takes very centralized or vital industries >>2746761Authority is a consequence of the town-country contradiction and the bourgeois family. No centralization of administration in the town, no dependency of working mothers on patriarchs and you don't have authority. Internet and commie blocks basically solve the problem of authoritarianism.
There is an inescapable distance of two centuries* between a succesful revolution and actual State-less, money-less and (perhaps) authority-less communism. I like the way so many of my comrades here are fighting to not let our very high and dignified ultimate goal of human emancipation be forgotten. I believe however we must also dedicate some of that energy to think about the immediate transition, during which no doubt authority and the State will be needed. As of how much, I would only say that in the same way capitalism employs authority to suppress the emergence or everything that pushes towards socialism, socialism will employ it's authority to make the ressurgence of capitalism impossible. The goal of gradually increasing the social ownership of the means of production should be put in the constitution and publicly attacking that goal should be legally punished in the same way we are legally punished right now for objecting to the liberal rights of private property.
* I invented this number.
Unique IPs: 19