I critically supported Trump during 2024
I believed his tariffs and economic nationalism would lead to the global collapse of capitalism and create the future framework for socialism
I also believed as seen from January 6th his cult was very good at destablizing the establishment, even if he was the establishment.
The only thing I didn't expect was the Israel worship and him trying to delay the release of the files.
Was I right?
Yes you were right. The fire rises brother. I hope Trump also suspends elections and goes for the 3rd term like the liberals have nightmares about. It would truly be a fitting finale for America to have their last president be a senile racist warmongering demagogue who did away with their republic. Sleepy Joe just wasn't a good fit for the last American president.
Elections will happen exactly like usual and a Drmonrat will try to pick up the pieces only to do the exact same thing. There’s no point supporting anyone in American politics because it’s a train, it goes one direction, it can’t be steered
>I didn't expect was the Israel worship and him trying to delay the release of the files.
It's not critical support if you don'n actually look into them and critique them.
>>2748681further proof we should exterminate gamers
No this is just proof that accelerationists who vote for fascists are fucking stupid and only plunder us further into fascism
>>2748698Because of video games.
Instead of pretending to be a revolutionary by voting you could have organized and tried to introduce people to communism
Critical support, more like critikkkal retardation. You voted for the American Hitler with Alzheimer's. Burger ᴉuᴉlossnW.
And I'm tired of self important breadtubers, dengists, and so many others saying that's hyperbolic and we can't call a spade a spade.
Miss me with your ego stroking liberal ass youtube video essays trying to justify how actually he's just a far right anti-democratic populist who rapes children and is killing Mexicans, Palestinians, Iranians, Americans, he's controlled by christian zionist nationalist theocrat white supremacists… but we can't call him fascist!
>>2748698So trve…we should have supported KKKamala HariSS instead and bombed Iran for women's rights instead of cringe Christian Zionism.
>>2748743Bro… you literally voted for 100% Hitler
>YEAH??? AND!!??? YOU WANT ME TO VOTE FOR 99% HITLER INSTEAD????No. In a choice between two Hitlerite Zionist warmongers you pick neither. You certainly don't pick the bigger Hitler. That's objectively the WORST option. There is no justification for that.
>>2748694>If posts use the same flag they're the same peoplego back to reddit newfag
>>2748750You made that reply to yourself barely 30 seconds after the OP post. Using the same flag.
Nobody else would've refreshed the catalog, clicked on your thread, swapped their flag to the same as yours, write a thought out full paragraph response in that time. This site isn't that quick.
I'm my 15 or so years on imageboards you've just done perhaps the most obvious samefag I've ever seen.
>>2748748In just one year Trump has destroyed friendly relations between the EU and US, got himself stuck in an unwinnable war that damaged multiple US aircraft carriers, turned everyone against the idea of mass deportations, turned everyone against Israel, and severely damaged the economies of every country other than Russia and China. Trump has and continues to do more damage to American hegemony than any modern president in history. No Marxist party currently operating in America could have ever dreamed of doing so much damage.
>>2748755And yet were that to be true, it still has no bearing on him and the MAGA people all being far right extremist racist white supremacist christian zionist war obsessed epstein class paedo yes I'll say it LITERAL FASCISTS.
>>2748754You can't even read timestamps correctly go back to reddit retard. I saw the thread in the catalog with no replies and did a pity bump. I'm not OP now go hang yourself.
>>2748755A fascist dictatorship and millions of death in the middle east is more likely to come out of this then a communist revolution. Beyond this, the world isn't turning against Trump it's following him, just look at Europe, France is probably going to elect Bardella next year and others will follow them. Voting for him was as retarded as voting for Hitler was in the 30s.
>>2748758Ok, and? America has to be destroyed for socialism to win. Speedrunning America's decline by electing a fascist or two guarantees our future victory. The only reason you're objecting is because you live here but if you were anywhere close to power you would have already instituted a DoTP years ago. I've made my peace with our nation being sacrificed for the greater good of communist victory. Have you? Stop being selfish and prioritize the global working class. Our deaths in MAGA-Auschwitz will pave the way forwards for a world finally free from America and an unstoppable red wave sweeping the Earth.
>>2748743I never said vote for Kuckala HariSS! Just vote 3rd party or skip voting entirely
>>2748769The reason voting for Hitler was retarded was because Germany at the time had a strong Communist party and had the potential to go through a revolution and ally with the USSR. Modern America does not have a strong communist party and many workers have even been brainwashed to hate communism. Therefore voting for American Hitler is tactical because there is no viable path towards an American socialism and we might as well just blow up the ship and let China clean up the mess afterwards. Latin America would have already gone communist on its own if it wasn't for America constantly interfering. Europe has no will to play colonizer in South America. We kill America, then Latin America goes red, then Africa goes red, and all that's left to worry about is a destabilized Middle East and a dying Europe. Ez pickings for China.
>>2748770>Ok, and? America has to be destroyed for socialism to win.What do you mean by destroyed? The current regime and system behind it certainly needs to go. You think the way to do that is to cause uncountable misery and death to innocents?
Are you unaware how many people turn to the extreme right in times of crisis? Especially in a society like America?
Destroying the American people isn't socialism, it's a revenge fantasy.
>Speedrunning America's decline by electing a fascist or two guarantees our future victory.It guarantees absolutely nothing of the sort. It guarantees fascist rule and nothing else. We are not idealists, revolution won't materialise simply because you're ruled by fascists. You have to persuade people of your cause the hard way all the same.
>The only reason you're objecting is because you live here but if you were anywhere close to power you would have already instituted a DoTP years ago. I don't live in America and I'm tired of American posters assuming everyone else is from their country in every conversation.
What do you mean I would've instituted DoTP? I'm not a world leader. Sure if I was leader of the revolution I would try to when the conditions are correct but this is nothing other than fantasy thinking.
>I've made my peace with our nation being sacrificed for the greater good of communist victory. Have you? It's not my nation, but no.
I will not sacrifice the lives millions of proles across the US and the nations that are victims of US/Israeli imperialism just to institute fascism, on some the bizarre Landian ego stroking mission to view myself as responsible for radicalising people by maximising their misery.
Nor am I naive enough to assume the masses would all turn to Marxism in such an event.
>Stop being selfish and prioritize the global working class. Our deaths in MAGA-Auschwitz will pave the way forwards for a world finally free from America and an unstoppable red wave sweeping the Earth.Workers of the WORLD unite. That means no people is left behind or ritually sacrificed.
>>2748779The reason voting for a fascist is retarded is that you're giving someone the keys to brutally crack down on you.
Trump is actively killing 2 of the countries with strong communist movements in Latin America, Cuba is collapsing and Venezuela was turned into a puppet, Nicaragua is the only one he didn't destroy, the rest of them are at best socdems but more generally reactionnaries.
Sure, the US working class is brainwashed, but no more then the Latin american one.
And I'll bet you that whatever will follow Trump won't be communism but simply another liberal takeover who'll be able to legitimise themselves by arguing that Trump is what happens when they're out of power. Sure America's soft power is weaker now, but this will only mark a transition toward hard power even more then previously, as you can see with Iran.
This isn't 1945 anymore, other capitalist powers will spit the cake if America collapse, the EU, India, Brazil, Russia, whatever else. And troughout the world there is no great revolutionnary movement anymore, maybe they'll be one afterwards, but it's not the case currently, and i don't see how impowering fascists will change that.
>>2748779>Voting for Hitler is GOOD this time actually because I personally feel hopeless about the situation >And then after the mega genocide by the MAGA death machine, China will swoop in and save usSimply amazing logic
>>2748698Fuck you and your lesser evilism bullshit, OP did nothing wrong.
Fascism in portugal was overthrown by young men getting drafted and dying in Guinea Bissau against Amilcar Cabral, fascism in America can only be defeated by American troops losing to the IRGC and forced into couping trump
>>2748789>Cuba is collapsing and Venezuela was turned into a puppetWrong. Cuba is fine. Venezuelan hydrocarbon reform is socialist
>>2748790When people talk about "the real movement" this is what they mean
>>2748794Yes, I'm sure Cuba is fine when they don't have any oil anymore and are lacking essential ressources.
I don't Venezuela giving away their oil to the USA after the latter kidnapped their president and installed a puppet is socialist.
>muh you voted for literally hitler
kek
trump is der bürgerreich's gorbachev not hitler, the american hitler will be a democrat, after all it was them that started the white supremacist genocide in gaza
also voting is literally irrelevant since the US is not a democracy anyways, people crashing out at OP are electoralbrained cattle
You were right and voting Trump was based.
Next question.
>>2748799The oil age is ending anyway. The oil isnt given away. Socialist enterprise maintain dominance of economic heights. Losing president is fine because chain of successors.
>>2748805this was also the same poster btw
>>2748800Gorbachev pulled out of Afghanistan, he didn’t start new wars
Where is the American Khrushchev
>>2748807he started a dozen conflicts in the soviet union after he gave ethnonationalists a free political pass
>>2748804Oil age isn't any close to ending unfortunatly, and even then, whenever it ends, it'll be too late for Cuba.
As for Venezuela, not only did Delcy remove the state monopoly, she also removed a bunch of the social programs put in place by Chavez and Maduro, she's clearly an American puppet putting an end to Bolivarianism, you're very naive if you don't see this honestly.
>>2748814Didn’t happen during his administration
>>2748814Obviously not the same thing as Trump overthrowing Maduro and bombing Iran ? The equivalent would be if trump's policy lead to civil wars inside the USA.
>>2748819Not possible and not gonna happen, Americans are too old, tired, and privileged for civil war
>>2748755None of this is factual. American hegemony isn’t weakening but hardening, the EU is falling in line and BRICS has been crippled and slowed even more.
>>2748817what you mean it didn't? there was all kinds of unrest going on
>>2748832This, America will be supreme and the protagonist of history until the sub swallows the earth
>jan 6
the fact the falun maga didn't kill any politicians in there big boomer chimp out and were basically let in by the cops should've been the moment everyone realized they're not even controlled opposition but instead a particularly retarded running dog of imperialism biting the hand that feeds them. Also the fact that the DNC didn't use this as a opportunity to have the entire GOP leadership sent to a kangaroo court on vague terrorism charges for subsequent execution goes to show you just how cowardly and incompetent they are. Both of the Neoliberal factions showed just how incapable and clueless they are on that day.
>>2748834Azeris and Armenians are not relevant for r important
>>2748846Yeah but they rule and nothing can overcome them no matter how cowardly and incompetent
>>2748837The US is a blip. European, African, Asian nations have existed for thousands of years.
The REAL American nations were wiped out by settler colonialist Yankees.
The US is a toddler amongst nations, shitting itself and throwing around it's toys. It will need to readjust itself rapidly or it will die.
>>2748858The US is the new basis for all civilization and will be until the sun swallows the earth
>>2748862Fukuyama levels of Yankee narcissism and naivety.
>>2748820>Not possible and not gonna happenYou are really underestimating the possibility and the denial of it seems to be more wishful than anything
>>2748867Fukuyama was wrong because he believed history ended, history doesn’t exist and has never existed, there is no such thing as a process or potential, only what exists in the eternal present
>>2748876There’s literally no economic base for civil war, all corners of the US are connected commercially and rely on each other, no one makes money from having border crossings on the inter state highways
>>2748877>history doesn’t existand yet it happened.
rather all points of time exist eternally, but we experience it in order, one frame at a time, travelling in only a single direction (forwards from our perspective). as far as I'm aware science can't explain why we experience time in order or travelling in one particular direction.
>>2748883>it happenedYou can’t know that because you weren’t there to witness it
>>2748858Our 200 year old mutt republic basically owns europe now lol one of the only based things burgerland did
>>2748885Other people who did wrote about it. Sure, maybe they all were lying and whatever event never happened, but thats so unlikely.
>>2748890It doesn’t matter if they were lying or not, they’re not alive, not of this world, allowing anything they say or supposedly did is letting ghosts rule you
>>2748893Anyone currently alive
>>2748891Understanding and learning from the past isn't letting "ghorsts rule you" Sure, there are people who live in the past in the sense that they constantly desire a return to an idealised world that they had in their childhood, but that doesn't mean there is nothing worth learning in the past.
>>2748885We have memory, which I get your point, we can't prove actually happened. Plenty of people have false memories. Yet to discard it entirely is also wrong. We also have material evidence of past events occuring.
You could of course claim the entire universe was invented yesterday and all your memories and material evidence are faked. Sure. You could also choose to believe the Moon is made of cheese because you haven't been there to taste it's surface for yourself
>>2748896The past is what produced this status quo, if you don’t like this status quo, then it makes sense to throw out everything that produced it
>>2748899The moon isn’t relevant, I’m not going there
>>2748791>Fuck you and your lesser evilism bullshit, OP did nothing wrong.I never said “vote for Kamala!” I said “Don’t vote for Trump” because this type of Accelerationism doesn’t work. Just look at shit now, yeah Mamdani got elected who is someone who all of you mother fuckers also don’t like but other than that where is the big socialist wave Trump would have triggered?!?!
>>2748901Well from your point of view you aren't the same you who even wrote your previous post. You can't know a future you won't go to the moon. You can't prove you aren't there right now and that there's some massive conspiracy to make you believe you're on the earth via hallucinations and false memories.
The point is we accept the material evidence we are presented with and work from them to base our theories. We don't question if everything is real constantly because we want to get shit done.
>>2748905Or we do an actual Year Zero
>>2748900Just because there are plenty of flaws with the status quo and that I desire to see it change doesn't mean that everything should be thrown out, Beyond that, historians don't seek to return to the past, but to understand the world we live in, and you can't fundamentally change something if you don't understand why it came to be and why previous attempts failed.
>>2748907Yes you can, human will is the only historic force
As an euro,I just hope for the worst for americans.
I expect NATO to take every bullet for the USA, on the way to collapse, so the quicker the USA declines by itself the less harm that will come to us europoors. Hopefully making room for a left faction to do something before the fascists are fully empowered to kneel before daddy Washington and send us all to war. That's about it, really.
>>2748908Humans are based on the society and conditions we live in. The present will always be a result of the past
>>2748907Historians are just storytellers and fiction sellers, you don’t know what that ceramic pot was for, it could be decorative, it could be practical, it could be the top of a still
>>2748914Unless you do a total rejection of the concept of time, which doesn’t make sense anyway when you zoom out from earth and into the universe
>>2748915The kinds of archeology you mention always brings upon debate among historians, but most historians don't study specific artefact, but rather they try to understand why things are the way they are, sure you could argue for ages about what the bronze artefact, but the existance of such an artefact proves that there existed extensive trade during those times.
>>2748916What happens in the far outer space doesn't really matter there is no one to live for it, the only place that actually matters is Earth. But even then, this isn't justification to reject the concept of time as a whole rather then keep to Einstein's relative model.
>>2748915you could definitely find trace amounts of chemicals and shit from distillation if a pot was being used in a still
>>2748915But they did use the pot
>>2748923And if it’s a still it’s probably still being used because alcohol fucking rocks, it’s the easiest drug to consume and to make
>>2748925You don’t know what they used that pot for though, that’s the whole point
>>2748922I’m probably misunderstanding Einstein, but doesn’t relative time mean that time doesn’t exist if you take it to it’s logical conclusion?
>>2748880>all corners of the US are connected commercially and rely on each otherThat never stopped civil wars from occurring or conventional wars
>>2748960No it hasn't. You can list multiple cases where civil wars occurred despite being commercially integrated. This is the logic that globalism will prevent wars because commercial trade and supply chain will make wars or civil conflict irrelevant
>>2748964We’re talking about the US here, a country with an average age is 45 and climbing (civil wars only happen in countries with an average age of 30 and lower), all the complaints Americans have are petty and fake and allergic to organization, also we don’t have communities, people don’t know or trust their neighbors
>>2748681>The only thing I didn't expect was the Israel worship and him trying to delay the release of the files.you are so stupid
>>2748984>We’re talking about the US here, a country with an average age is 45You do realize that is probability and not absolute right? Also the median age in the US is 38 and is the youngest out of much of the NATO west.That is not even talking about the below 45 demographic dissatisfaction with the current arrangement and keep in mind civil wars spark from a minority and does not even need a majority to spark. There is a lot of assumptions here to say that a Civil War in the US is not possible at all and the argument that economic integration prevents wars is a flawed one proven wrong on multiple occasions and assumes inherent rationality
No you are not right you are very stupid and everyone was telling you were very stupid and you didn't listen because you think you are a special boy
>>2749016Everyone loves the idea of a civil war until the checkpoints on every road come
>>2749016No american is gonna take long enough of a break from their screens to kill each other in an organized fashion
>>2749096Exactly it is not a good at all and anyone clamoring for it don't realize what it is like
>>2749099Still think it is an underestimated possibility
>>2749172I don't think people realise how unique the Troubles were, They were a large scale urban insurgency in a modern western country, they were also between two communities that were completly segregated meaning that both sides could find local support in their community fairly easly, most catholics wouldn't denounce the IRA to the cops and neither would the prods denonce the loyalists (not that they'd care)
Both sides also had clear objective (Irish Unity vs preservation of Northern Ireland)
I don't think the USA can really be compared, but even then the current mass shootings while horrible can't really be compared to the Troubles, in the last 30 years there has been 10 000 deaths from mass shootings (including gang stuff) in the USA, so about 0.002% of the USA's population.
The Troubles killed 3000 people in Northern Ireland over 30 years, so about 0.2% of its population, the equivalent in the USA would be 600 000 deaths.
>>2748681Christian Zionist logic
>>2748681>I believed his tariffs and economic nationalism would lead to the global collapse of capitalism and create the future framework for socialismMeaningless drivel. "Framework for socialism" bruh you a socdem at most.
>I also believed as seen from January 6th his cult was very good at destablizing the establishment, even if he was the establishment.Admitting he is "establishment" doesn't excuse that you made a bad analysis
>The only thing I didn't expect was the Israel worship and him trying to delay the release of the files.You really think he didn't rape underage girls? Lmao.
Retard, bait and ban.
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