/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

What are all these reactionary concerntroll threads still doing here?

The mentality that causes people to break with the left purely over stuff that SHOULD be inconsequential like trans rights is one that has to be eliminated for exactly that reason. Why is the expectation always "If it's not that important, why support it?" It should be the other way around: if it's not that important, why support reactionaries and sabotage attempts at progress just to stop it? You're telling on yourselves: you care about it A LOT, more than economic emancipation, or you'd be ok with supporting trans people if it meant getting a socialist economy. The fact you're NOT indicates that IS NOT your priority.

>>2751804
>>2751804
What the relation of trans people and socialism here?

>>2751799
The left isn’t bringing up trans people. The right is.

The left:
>we should have universal healthcare
The right
>why so you can give it to transhumanists and immigrants????

Maybe if you stopped letting yourself be triggered like a fucking sleeper agent everytime you hear immigration or trans people you wouldn’t be so stupid.

>>2751799
>Left parties keep losing because they care about "muh privilege" or pendering to transexuals,
Hello, 2016?

>>2751805
The relationship between transgender ideology and (national) socialism is pretty well documented

>>2751821
Wait, are you saying that trans people are nazoids?

>>2751804
>What are all these reactionary concerntroll threads still doing here?
Here's my schizo idea: the current situation, heavily catalyzed by the Iran war is prone to cause libs and previously 'unpolitical' proles to seek out radical places on the internet. By having apparent leftists post blatantly off-putting reactionary talking points the porkglow will alienate a fair number of these new arrivals from socialism, conditioning them to instead associate it with transphobia, anti-feminism and select forms of racism. While, of course, causing people with reactionary proto-politics to feel at home, thereby further poisoning the well.

>>2751853
Schizo idea

>instead if they engage with the problem of the majority of working class, problems of like healthcare and job security
Left wing parties that only do this got electoraly exterminated uygha, especially after 1991. Oldfag leftism is not coming back anytime soon. George Galloway will NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER be PM, man.

even if that was true then the Amerikkkan people are my enemy

>>2751862
Actually, the true enemy is yourself, you can't master yourself, then you can't master anything else.

>>2751859
Then what's the future for leftist parties? What should we do to get the people to rally behind us?

>Left parties keep losing because they care about "muh privilege" or pendering to transexuals, instead if they engage with the problem of the majority of working class, problems of like healthcare and job security, then many leftist parties would take power easly
One small problem:

>>2751865
Truth is that once leftist parties embrace anti-immigration polices they would win easly, but instead they need to care about muhammad that raped a 12 years girls.

>>2751873
go back, or lurk moar

>>2751875
>>2751875
Did I say something that isn't true? Once leftist parties embrace hardcore anti immigration ideas then the population would follow them, but instead you see place like here where people somehow think that muhmmad that raped teen girls somehow was victimed of capitalism and has more right then a native.

>>2751799

the parties that don't "pander to transsexuals" openly praise people like Stalin which also doesn't resonate with the majority of the working class outside of russia

Ah yes, it's trans people to blame for the failures of the left.
If only those damn leftists parties would ignore the oppression of and/or spit on minorities and call everything woke!
Then everyone would sit up and become a ML like me!

Grow up.

>>2751799
People want "Peace, Jobs and Bread", not this "Allah, Cosmos, Xi Jinpeng" nonsense. I have no idea why you want to water down your messaging with bigotry and cultishness.

>>2751889
The point is exactly that: if many leftist start to pander to actual majority of working people, instead of demonizing their way of life, then they would get more votes and actually achieve power, but you see many on the left prefer to focus on the question of a tiny minority as if they are central to everything or the key, the modern SHOULD keep in mind the majority and not abandoned the minority, find a balance instead of going schizo and say pander they energy and time to some autistic transexual.

>>2751806
this.

>>2751889
No it's the left's fault for focusing on transhumanistees, they don't need to do that.

The framing of trans issues is wrong. Instead of going for a special snowflake angle they should go
>we dont care if youre black or white, trans or cis, gay or straight. Because a worker is a worker no matter what!

>>2751894
>you see many on the left prefer to focus on the question of a tiny minority as if they are central to everything … find a balance instead of going schizo and say pander they energy and time to some autistic transexual
"Many on the left" is kind of vague. "Many people say!" I think the reality might be that the people you're talking about are autistic transexuals who think they're the center of everything, but pretty much everyone does this, especially online, especially if they're younger and still worked up about the other kids at their high school who made fun of them or whatever. The most advice you can really give is to be like, you'll never see those other kids in your life again so fuck 'em. Also this is also true for the chud who gets triggered and has to act like a snowflake because he goes off to college and sees a flyer up on a wall advertising the LGBTQ+ club which makes him feel "unwelcome" because it doesn't place him at the center of everything. If they make you uncomfortable then just say it, you don't have to dance around this stuff about how "the left focuses too much on…." but it's probably not worth focusing on much either. Why let it bother you so much?

>>2751894
>voting in communism
Tru leftists reject electoralism anyway

These sorts of questions are not the center of socialist politics and you're late to the party anyway. Most 'socialist' electoral campaigns focus on the standard of living and public services like healthcare and hardly bring up sexual minorities. Populism is in these days. Does that make socialist politics more viable? Maybe. But improvements in popularity or seats won in an election are not the critical factor to socialists.

>>2751876
Trump’s whole heartedly embraced anti-immigration policies and his approval is >40 and “abolish ICE” has become a mainstream position now.

>>2751873
labour got decimated, lmao

>>2751987
No, electoralism under capitalism is pointless. Voting only starts to be functional under socialist and communist modes of production.

>Will I get banned here for not pendering to transexuals?
Yes.

I agree with you OP though, trans people and other sexual minorities should not be persecuted if >we are in power, and exclusionary, discriminatory policies should be reversed if they exist but, that's about it.

The problem is rightoid parties that are supposedly pro-worker draw a false correlation between comfortable single-income households and trans people “not existing” outside of niche brothels. I’m not pandering to trans people in refusing to pretend there is a real correlation.

>>2751799
>Will I get banned here for not pendering to transexuals?
I reported you, so lets hope so.

>>2752392
I'm a hardcore global south & second world immigration reductionist (the parasitic "qualified EHC" immigration in particular) and he probably fucked up anti-immigration sentiments for the 10 years to come by turning ICE into a political gestapo indeed.
Your correct point proves that these "dissident anti-woke leftists" arent acting in good faith.

The worst people in the world are trans and support trans so I oppose it. Send them all to gulags.

>>2753094
WAGTFKY

>>2751799
>Left parties keep losing
you mean lib/socdem parties? who gives a fuck?

>>2753144
These one actually win though. This is actually because as controvertial trans rights can be, it is still more organically popular than Based Stalin memes.

Actual left parties keep losing because they still operate as if the financial crash has just happened and the people are still enthusiastic for a radical chic alternative out of protest.
But that time is gone, people went back to boring "safe" technocrats because of overlapping and seemingly permanent global crises that nobody can actually solve locally but only manage and immunize their country against.
A left party today should pretend to be nominally one of these boring technocrats by dropping the infantile chic and sloganeering and instead only promote and focus on what can actually be achieved in one mandate.
Also in most countries leftist parties ignore that you need to first create preconditions for even attempting to steer the country towards socialism. If your country is occupied by foreign capital, foreign political institutions, if you don't even have your own currency and central bank, then you first need to reduce that dependency which is a very tough process because the very tools for achieving it have been squandered away by your compradors. Even if your leftist party controls the military and can coup the state and can survive foreign counter-coups you can't do the same over night with the economy because your starting point likely isn't the underdeveloped agrarian economy of the early 20th century but an economy that is already deeply integrated into and subordinated by Western capital.