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>look at le epic based anti-imperialism
>look inside
>kill gays because of “muh western-decadence”


Sorry Leftychuds, I don’t have masochism fetish letting them kill me and spreading reactionary ideologies, just because they are “anti-west”
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>>2753950
Its best understood sociologically thru moral panics, look your the Irish garroting panic its the same shit, throwing minorities under the bus is a quick way to make money or gain political power.
The only way to stop this is educating people enough to recognise this when it happens.

>>2753955
Look up*

>>2753921
>self-determination of nations;
Liberal drivel, drink bleach you jewish negro

>>2753951
>>2753957
the national liberation will continue and you will be happy.

>>2753960
>>The liberalism will continue
erm, yes? are you going to stop it? the people's stock market will continue and you will be happy

>>2753966
lassaleanGODS won, cope

>>2753950
Common confusion, Ottoman's were vile pederasts which is actually homophobic and not homosexual. The same thing goes for raping slaves and so on. It's like those bizarre homoerotic right-wingers who rape male prostitutes.

>>2753874
>We've seen before that there's no guarantee that socialism will lead to sustained periods of gay rights.
in every example of socialism it was less developed then the west at the period when the west had gay rights. the united states itself didnt have gay marriage until 10 years ago.
>to the extent they've liberalized on the issue it's because of Western cultural influence. That's not me being a Western exceptionalist or saying socialism doesn't matter, it is just a fact of history.
no its because of the level of development
>>2753887
>Why are you acting as if Burkina Faso is some Tap and Wait game where they have to wait 10 hours to unlock homosexuality?!?!
i dont know what that is but its because that is how the world works. picrel

>>2753906
>My point is that history shows that socialism is not some magical cure for it.
again, neither is capitalism.
>The idea that it's just going to melt away once enough factories are built or something like that is obviously a relic of 19th century positivism.
???? whats positivistic about materialist dialectics? thats exactly how it works. why dont agriculture societies tolerate homosexuality? they need hetero families with 6-10 kids for the harvest. why do computer service economies? because they dont. when does gay culture become a thing? urbanization and social services overcoming the social necessity of nuclear families and inheritance.

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>>2753931
>There's a lag between changes in the base and superstructure.

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>>2753422
Of course. Anyone whining about campism or "third world nationalism" is an unironic bloodthirsty ziorat. It's obvious hasbara as the current most notable national project of such character is in Palestine. It's the same with leftcoms who try to subtly advocate against Palestinian nationhood with some bullshit about choosing the side of the proletariat or whatever, in effect they are advocating for Palestinians to remain a subjegated untermensch for the Israelis.

>>2754263
Ok. Imagine that magically palestinian natlib happens in approximately n + 2 weeks. What's stopping markets from bullying a small poor nation in the middle east into becoming a neoliberal shithole and imposing suffering upon Palestinian workers? What would stop powers like the US, Russia, or Turkey from making them a proxy? What meaningful capacity would Palestine have for political and economic self-determination? What would stop them from getting bombed and destabilized if they didn't obey the above?

>>2754265
It would still be preferable to being a racial untermensch subjected to apartheid and genocide zioscum

>>2754197
Look at how socialist Poland and Ireland are now!

Should probably use the CIA to overthrow their government and install a much more reactionary pro capital regime so that they can be homophobic AND economically backward but closested gay CEOs in burgerland can use the money to do bdsm on male prostitutes in a fully kitted out dungeon then. That sounds better to me and woke (pro sex work)

>>2753957
the resident glowie wrecker, once again show himself as a complete retard that hasnt read shit

>>2753874
>We've seen before that there's no guarantee that socialism will lead to sustained periods of gay rights
because there are various factors in play and the evolution can be slow, but historically, when you look at things like women liberation, it's obvious both liberalism and even more socialism favor women rights long term. lgbt rights will be slower because the economic incentive isnt present, and they're minorities, but its still quite clearly becoming increasingly accepted.

>The left in the 1920s was largely pretty pro-gay

no, they were abolishing everything of the old order and doing cultural revolution, but mostly they just didnt care much

>>2754188
>neither is capitalism
I agree and said as much.
>why dont agriculture societies tolerate homosexuality
Some of them did.

>>2754186
>no its because of the level of development
Okay then explain why Mao era China was more pro-gay than Brezhnev era USSR

>>2754014
Not what I'm talking about. The Ottomans decriminalized homosexuality in 1858, that was before any Western country except France. Once again you Uyghurs need to read a book or two on the topic before opening your mouths.

>>2754269
Non-response

>>2754293
Not an argument
kys ziorat

>>2754294
>not an argument
<refuses to argue
<relies on moralistic adhoms for rhetoric
<instantly strawmans every perspective differing from the current leftist twitter line
third-worldists really are the anarchists of the 2020s

>>2754298
My statement was not an invitation for you to practice your hasbara rhetoric ziorat. Even if I was to grant your retarded supposition that because not all issues in palestinian society would be immediately solved upon their emancipation and that they'd be vulnerable to exploitation by other more powerful actors, that still means nothing in regard to your advocacy for their continue subjugation. It would still be preferable for them to not live under apartheid, it would still be more progressive economically for their racial segregation and subjugation at the hands of zionazis like you to end

You are making the exact argument slaveowners made in regards to the abolition of slavery. Because you are just like them you filthy ziorat

kys

>>2754290
>ooooh what about my niche example oooooo my outlier ooooo
the trend is overwhelmingly that the more economic developement = nicer to gays

economic development requires imperialists to fuck off

which requires them to be fucked off, by a mass movement with an army

>>2754302
>not all issues in palestinian society would be immediately solved upon their emancipation and that they'd be vulnerable to exploitation by other more powerful actors
Not vulnerable, it would happen just as it did in other post-colonial nations like Syria, Sudan, Iraq, etc. The choice for workers under capitalism, and especially workers in nation-states in a weak position relative to the global market is always the same, work or die, sometimes both. I'm asking if your "advocacy" has any content beyond tantrums at injustice.
>that still means nothing in regard to your advocacy for their continue subjugation.
>You are making the exact argument slaveowners made in regards to the abolition of slavery.
Keep shadowboxing

>>2754309
>Not vulnerable, it would happen just as it did in other post-colonial nations like Syria, Sudan, Iraq, etc
Pedantry, we are saying the same thing
>The choice for workers under capitalism, and especially workers in nation-states in a weak position relative to the global market is always the same, work or die, sometimes both. I'm asking if your "advocacy" has any content beyond tantrums at injustice.
This is the exact argument southern slave owners had for the preservation of slavery, "they'll just become wageworkers". This glosses over the fact that both from a moral, as well as historical progression standpoint, what the palestinians experience is much worse than just having to go to work, which they have to do regardless.

There is literally no point in trying to argue this other than you being in favor of maintaining the status quo of apartheid and genocide, arbitrarily, because they'll just have to "work or die" after liberation, which they have to do now also except they are routinely slaughtered and discriminated against on the basis of their birth as well. That is why you are a ziorat and should kys

>>2754436
>you being in favor of maintaining the status quo of apartheid and genocide
He's not, he's arguing that the solution is immediate global class war without any "well at least it's marginally better" national liberation intermediary phase that you yourself agree would just end with Palestine being a neocolony.

>>2754494
If you think it's only marginally better to have to go to work and not be genocided/live under apartheid, as opposed to having to go to work and live under apartheid/be genocided, idk what to tell you other than to off yourself you inhuman cunt

>immediate global class war

Completely meaningless sloganeering when used in this context

Modern leftism really is centered around faggots. Class politics is merely an appendage. If you are super pro gay and other social causes but anti worker you are still considered a progressive. The reverse order has you labeled as a reactionary in the same plain as falaginsts.

>>2754511
I wonder why leftists hate reactionary feudal garbage.

>>2754511
maybe if you're a libtard talking to other libtards, which admittedly is most people.

>>2754533
did you read the OP?

>>2752896
When will Iran open up a foreign Transgender Brigade to bring war against AmeriKKKa?

I think developing nations have bigger issues and priorities than allowing pride parades and don't even try to pull a "you can do both" argument, intersectionality was a CIA psyop anyway.

>>2754265
nothing. no one said natlib turns everything perfect. just like communism doesnt solve all problems tomorrow either

>>2754289
>Some of them did.
individuals or societies? which ones

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>>2752232
it is you who are the reactionary OP(more like PSYOP).

A trvthnvke that will melt the skin off of trots, ultras and other degens

As the class struggle within a nation is waged for the readjustment of
unequal distinctions, so war between nations for an honorable cause
will reform the present unjust distinctions. The British Empire is a
millionaire possessing wealth all over the world; and Russia is a great
landowner in occupation of the northern half of the globe. China with
her undeveloped productive forces is one of the proletariat, and she has
the right to declare war on the big monopoly powers. The socialists
of the West contradict themselves when they admit the right of class
struggle to the proletariat at home and at the same time condemn
war, waged by a proletariat among nations, as militarism and
aggression . . . If it is permissible for the working class to unite to
overthrow unjust authority by bloodshed, then unconditional ap
proval ' should be given to China to perfect her army and navy and
make war for the rectification of unjust international frontiers. In the
name of rational scientific socialism China claims possession of Australia
and Eastern Siberia.
-Deng Xiaoping 1980


>>2754678
>1980
>British Empire
do better

>>2753752
The world is an anarchy and there will never be a permanent state where there is no possible external threat. This cannot be used as an excuse because the state will then simply manufacture an eternal boogeyman to justify why it has to remain reactionary.

Need I remind you that the Russian Revolution was sprung in the middle of a war against another empire because the war had weakened the domestic regime enough that it was primed to be overthrown?

>>2754734
hong kong was still under anglo occupation treatjunkie

>>2754956
you are revisionist. you produce commodities but not socialist commodities only treats

>>2754968
imperialism isnt an ambiguous "external threat" but a concrete reality that materially prevents the developmental prerequisite for realizing progressive ideals. and an interimperialist conflict is not comparable to one of one-sided imperialist domination

>>2752271
It's even more ironic because Anglos are among the faggiest ethnicities on Earth.

>>2755468
Reactionary

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>>2755474
>Reactionary

>>2754653
Societies. Han China was homophile and Tang China was not as an example, despite the latter being extremely advanced by (barely) pre-industrial standards. Obviously Greece and Rome to an extent, and seemingly pre-conquest Gaul even more than them, again despite Rome and Greece being more materially advanced. Obviously my point isn't that homophobia corresponds to how materially developed a culture is, only that you can't assume the inverse. When you actually read about the history of homosexuality you will find what I've been saying, that homophilia and homophobia both occur in all sorts of social contexts and levels of material development.

>>2754265
>Imagine that magically palestinian natlib happens in approximately n + 2 weeks. What's stopping markets from bullying a small poor nation in the middle east into becoming a neoliberal shithole and imposing suffering upon Palestinian workers?
It's kind of an impossible question to answer but I don't think Israel is going away anytime soon either. There's no pre-determined logic that prevents Israel from winning and the Palestinians from flat-out losing.


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