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I really don’t understand why people think that the Jews control communism I know why people think that because Marx was a Jew but he pacifically said that religion was the religion was opened to the masses and corrupted people so I don’t know why people think that communism? Is a Jew thing when it’s more of a atheist thing

>>2753938
It is because Judaism is an ethno-religion. There are plenty of Atheist Jews historically and today. Either way, Jews controlling Capitalism and Communism at the same time is just brainrot

Reactionaries have claimed the same things for centuries in every revolution. It's textbook idealism. The idea of social change coming from a conspiratorial shadow cabal. One of the earliest examples is Proofs of A Conspiracy (1798) by John Robison, who claimed the French Revolution had been a secret plot by the Bavarian Illuminati and Masons.

Judaism is an ethno religion not simply a religion. There are atheist Jews

>>2753938
Lots of jews were involved in the movement, Lenin was also a jew from the Blank family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_family

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These people don’t do much thinking in the first place. If you were to ask them the details of how the world domination organization of the Jews operates they would just call you a Jew. Something something movies and pornography. Something something Israel (Jews being racist nationalist). Like Mao, reactionaries believe that reading too many books is harmful and books are all written by Jews anyway. Actually everything is controlled by Jews, except Hitler. No I won’t explain how, it just is. Did you know Hitler actually liked Jews and actually didn’t kill them or harm them in any way? Hitler was actually a good guy but evil Jewish Bolsheviks were jealous of him and that’s why they gassed all the Jews in Eastern Europe and blamed it on Hitler. Also gas chambers never existed.

they think this because the BUND used to be the standard before ZIONISM

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>>2753938
>but he pacifically said that religion was the religion was opened to the masses
did you mean to say "but he specifically said that religion was the opium of the masses"???
>Marx was a Jew
depends on what you mean by that. His parents converted to protestantism. His grandfather was a rabbi in Trier, and came from a long line of rabbis, but he never had any attachment to the synagogue, was raised Christian, and became Atheist by his college years. If you mean he was ethnically different than most Germans? Yes, certainly. He might have even had near eastern ancestry since written descriptions say he was significantly darker and had courser hair than most Germans. His hair was also black rather than brown or blonde, and his eyes were brown. In that respect it is funny how similar he is to Lassalle, whom he despised, in secret, while sometimes also working with him.

>>2754053
and also because of the bund, and the cross pollination between the bund and the bolsheviks during the early RSDLP days, before the split, and because of the reactionary antisemitism of the black hundreds, the tsarist government, the pogromists, etc, there ended up being a lot of jewish people in the bolshevik ranks, like trotsky, sverdlov, zinoviev, kamenev. by the 40s however the CPSU had fewer jews per capita than during the lenin days. think of jews in the russian empire as having a similar civil rights movement and resistance to lynch mobs as african americans did in the USA. it's not perfectly analogous but it's close enough.

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>>2753938
Antisemitism isn't really about "the Jews" as much as it is a response to complexity and contradiction. If you look at an antisemite's imagined idealized society it's really a utopian, crunchy, hippie sort of thing where everyone has a role and nothing is internally divided. Instead of a big government bureaucracy with corporations who are sticking needles in people's arms (vaccines) you just have people in their local communities bartering local "healthy" organic produce. Anything deemed to corrupt or mess up that unity and "one-ness" is deemed to come from the outside and that is "Jewish." The Jews are seen as like a biological, alien agent that has messed up a harmonious organic unity, and like you put it, "corrupted" people.

This can seem radical and anti-capitalistic, but Marxism operates with basically completely opposite assumptions about how society works, and really it's about how things evolve and change based on their internal contradictions (or struggles, tensions within a thing) as the primary source of a thing's own development and self-movement. Like you're a certain age and you're older than you were when you were a child, and one day you will get old, and that's a process of change throughout your life based on internal characteristics of your biology. It's a process of both growth and decay. You might be able to speed up or slow down aspects of aging due to external factors, like you can shorten your lifespan various ways, or "age" faster because of certain habits, but you can also get with somebody and reproduce yourself, but eventually you're going to die as well, that's built into what a biological organism is.

At any rate, capitalism is also internally contradictory. It needs to expand and constantly find new growth opportunities, but that same process also leads to economic crises. People lose their jobs which become obsolete as new technologies enter the scene which increase economic productivity but also results in higher unemployment which means less purchasing power to buy a surplus of goods until there's a big economic crash that wipes out a bunch of industries (see how this is contradictory). This isn't a glitch or a a conspiracy it's how capitalism gets into a hole and climbs back out of it. Economic production is carried out in a large-scale, basically cooperative way with large firms and mediated via exchange between buyers and sellers, but the relations of production are organized in such a way that every worker sees every other worker as a mortal threat to their own survival. Like, there is always some number of unemployed, people living on the street (with dramatically shorter lifespans), so you need to get that job and you're engaged in a struggle with everyone also applying for that same job.

At any rate, what Marxists insist on is that the crises, insecurity and dislocations people are experiencing is not the result of an external enemy but are built into how the system works as more like an entire social structure. Also Marx iirc saw certain aspects of capitalism as progressive, like the fact that it creates a proletariat on a global scale to work in factories is necessarily part of capitalism's own development, so socialism is produced by the internal contradictions of capitalism in the end. What will eventually overthrow and replace the rule of capital is created by capital, by its own internal contradictions. Class conflict is also an important part of how Marxists see politics, and so antisemites end up opposing Marxists because they view class conflict itself as something introduced from the outside (by Jews).


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