/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2759410
as a union organizer the problem I have with vegans and such is not the "value" itself but that it often betrays a degree of emotional and mental weakness. and the problem is that companies will exploit this to manipulate them. they can have their ideas and I appreciate if they align with mine, but not everyone has the skills to be an active part of a political organization

>>2759410
people's politics is mostly determined by their disposition, not by matters of theory or policy as such. you're just looking at a clash of personalities wrapped up in socialist language.

if you could get them all to take the big5 test, you'd notice statistically significant differences between vegans and anti-vegans, pro and anti-porn types, consumerists and anti-consumerists, and (this one has actually been done academically) liberals and conservatives. once you see this, you cannot unsee it.

communists are perhaps particularly prone to such infighting because communism can draw in a number of distinct personality types: some who're "super-liberals" (very high openness, agreeableness, neuroticism), some who're more conservative and in it for the military aesthetics of socialist governments (lower openness, agreeableness, neuroticism is a coin-toss), others who're contrarians, or who've come to it specifically because they hate liberals (and, so, little do they know, hate some communists even more.)

>>2759420
>politics are fake, it's all aesthetics
you're too sheltered and/or oblivious to the reality around you

>>2759420
if this is true, map socialist tendencies on the big 5

>>2759427
politics is very real, but 99% of what purports to be politics is nothing of the sort. arguing against veganism on twitter, for example, is no more political than arguing about homestuck shipping. the average /leftypol/ poster takes his politics very seriously yet is less politically impactful than a well placed cloud.

>>2759429
TRVTH NVKE

>>2759428
i may return to it at some point, but the problem here is that lots of people use the same labels to refer to different things. e.g. a committed trotskyist who hands out newspapers is probably higher on extroversion than the average leftist, but there's no reason to assume the same of a twitter-trotskyist who doesn't go outside. an LGBT-ML will be higher on openness than an anti-lgbt ML. a socdem may be lower openness (hence why they're sticking to the status quo economic system with some tweaks) or high-openness, but high neuroticism (e.g. very desiring of change, but too doubtful or afraid to go for revolution).

but specifically to the earlier point: vegans are high openness, high agreeableness, middling conscientiousness, and (outside the big 5) low social dominance. vegetarians are similar, but slightly less strong + some surveys suggest higher neuroticism. meat-eaters are a total wash because most people eat meat, but anti-vegans skew towards being the opposite of vegans. low openness, low agreeableness, high social dominance, often "right wing authoritarian" typology - but that last one is one of the reasons communism is odd: if you like "traditional" culture, you might find the USSR more agreeable than the current USA! (but don't confuse the inverse: that doesn't mean liking the USSR makes you a conservative. this isn't some horseshoe theory bullshit. equally, there are people who think that if the USSR had survived it'd be more progressive than the current USA.)

>>2759429
>99% of the politics I see are vegan discussions on twitter
>therefore 99% of politics are nonsense
again, you're assuming that because you don't engage with politics or the real world, no one else does

>>2759450
Are you pretending there are more real world actions by quantity than stupid posts on the internet? Whichever way you slice our conversation, it's +2 to the count of meaningless bullshit and +0 to real politics.
I will however go further: most self proclaimed communist or socialist parties are also LARPers of no political impact whatsoever. Handing out a Trotskyist newspaper is a meaningful political act only if it doesn't immediately go in the trash and, if, in the long term it results in some kind of meaningful outcome. e.g. not just recruiting another rune to the paper cult and thereby offsetting membership churn

But Trump bombing Iran? That's politics

>>2759486
Trump bombing iran is not politics. Nothing happened.

>>2759619
Iran and America don’t exist and never have, you’ve been in a bad trip for years

>>2759619
>nothing happened
a lot happened. india's plan to balance its budget has gone to shit because the fallout of the war has negatively impacted ammonia supplies (a solid chunk comes from Iran itself, another chunk comes from countries currently unable to ship out of the strait of hormuz) and ammonia is a key component in fertilizers. a substantial portion of india's budget goes on farm subsidies, so the government was planning to cut those, but now it's going to have to keep them in place or sit back and watch farmers starve to death. you can track a thousand other consequences from the impact of the conflict on fertilizers alone.
even if the war ends today, it's too late to avert much of this outcome. the ships had to leave a week or two ago to arrive on time.

having "something" happen as the result of fucking around with a complex system is quite easy.

>>2759683
Nothing happened. Capitalism is still here and its making me work

>>2759688
under communism you will still have to work and you will still be saying nothing ever happened. the only event in your life will be your last breath, at which point you will finally be free from toil, and you won't even get to enjoy it.

>>2759693
Then there is no communism. Fuck da communist fake ass bitches.

>>2759701
from each according to his ability means you’re going to work until your arms fall off

Communism upholds Communist morality. Veganism defies core socialist values of harmony and prosperity. Whoring defies core socialist value of civility and integrity. Anti-consumerism defies core socialist value of prosperity.

>>2759410
i dont think you understand their point is that they arent fighting capitalism over meaningless consumption crap. communism isnt about abstract shit like "values" at all rofl

>>2759767
mlbros is this what the ultras mean when they tell me to read theory?

>>2759767
>core socialist values of harmony
That's anti-dialectical tho there's never harmony it's always chaos and contradiction.

You’re spot on—it’s exhausting. A lot of these 'nothing burger' arguments are just people hiding behind slogans because they lack the actual analytical depth to engage with nuanced topics like ethics or consumerism. Instead of doing the heavy lifting, they just repeat 'no ethical consumption' like a broken record.
If you want to stay ahead of these 'cold-hearted larper' types and keep your own brain sharp while they waste energy on pointless beef, you should check out https://mentalmath.cc/. It’s a great way to train your cognitive speed and focus. While they’re busy spiraling into endless online drama, you can actually sharpen your mental agility and processing power. It’s basically a gym for your brain so you can stay fast, logical, and way more disciplined than the average Twitter-commie.

>>2759826
The exact opposite actually.
>>2760075
I could throw a tantrum on how that once again highlights the revisionism of the party that made that manifesto, but I'll leave it at this today

>>2760103
Thanks, nice site

>>2759793
No one claims here that Communism is about values or ideas but that Communists tends to attack certain values that other Communists or Leftists hold, I think you fail to comprehend the fact that people may hold various different subjective values yet still participate in Communist movement while understanding that Communism is purely a class movement.

>>2759410
communism has nothing to do with shit like veganism. that is a problem for society to solve after the revolution. people keep trying to turn communism into a "completely expansive worldview" (aka a cult) that has an answer for everything. communism is about organizing the proletariat to overthrow the bourgeoisie, everything else is irrelevant. people who bicker about shit like that are feds and wreckers

>>2760141
if neither party is bringing up communism, then shitting on someone for i.e. being a vegan is as valid as being a vegan lol