Lately, I have had a lot of questions that have raised serious questions and expressed opinions about Marxism. There is a feeling that we are all moving in the wrong direction. Western Marxists, instead of focusing on the labor movement, are focusing on pr

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Starlight_Glimmer 09-04-26 15:33:15 No.2775089

Lately, I have had a lot of questions that have raised serious questions and expressed opinions about Marxism. There is a feeling that we are all moving in the wrong direction. Western Marxists, instead of focusing on the labor movement, are focusing on protecting the rights of minorities, while Eastern Marxists are enlarge Revisionism and Conservatism in all directions, consolidating with capital. What we need to do, for Make Leftist Great Again? Should we return to strict orthodox Marxism or adapt to the new class structure of the 21st century?"

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:36:21 No.2775093

The issue is that there is no real labour movement in the west, so how can theory meet practice?

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:40:04 No.2775096

>are focusing on protecting the rights of minorities
I don't see this. When marxist organizations are questioned on this the usual reply is the class-will-liberate-minorites as should be. I would say organizations that focus on this aspect only tend to be either liberal organizations.
>Eastern Marxists are enlarge Revisionism and Conservatism in all directions
unfortunate trvth nvke

General Niggnin!7MGHd/e/GM 09-04-26 15:40:57 No.2775099

>>2775093
>there is no real labour movement
Yes thats why minneapolis just had a general strike this year. There is a labour movement just not fully widespread.

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:41:40 No.2775100

>>2775093
Stalin tied the policy of the western labor movement to his socialism commodity production though like a dog leash and when the 80s arrived and Eurocommunism popped up it was all over. Total Lasalle Victory

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:44:32 No.2775102

>>2775099
The strike seems to be for civil rights purposes, not for socialism
>>2775100
Well, I never understood the hate for Lassalle, personally.

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:48:16 No.2775108

>>2775102
>never understood the hate for lasalle
He is the originator of the whole stupid tendency to think that the burgeoise state could possibly be captured for the uses of socialists of communists.

See:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1875/gotha/

Anonymous 09-04-26 15:56:53 No.2775121

>>2775108
Nah, Marx is just needlessly petty in that work

Anonymous 09-04-26 16:16:47 No.2775147

> or adapt to the new class structure of the 21st century
… we always do this?
>Western Marxists, instead of focusing on the labor movement, are focusing on protecting the rights of minorities
total bullshit. you have a confused conception of the terms at best
>while Eastern Marxists are enlarge Revisionism and Conservatism in all directions, consolidating with capital
filipino and south asian Marxist-Leninist-Maoists don't.

Anonymous 09-04-26 16:19:17 No.2775149

>>2775100
moronic theory, also false-flagging.
now try to explain the details of your thesis that "Stalin tied the policy of the western labor movement to his socialism commodity production though like a dog leash and when the 80s arrived and Eurocommunism popped up"
so that we can work through the nonsense

Anonymous 09-04-26 16:33:44 No.2775180

you are a fascist hidding as a communist

Anonymous 09-04-26 16:35:01 No.2775184

>>2775180
many such cases

Anonymous 09-04-26 16:46:01 No.2775201

>>2775099
>There is a labour movement just not fully widespread.
I think thats what he means by "no real", as in not big enough to be significant, this is why it never achieves momentum
the labor movement just doesn't grow in the current conditions like it did in the early 20th century or in the 19th century, and this is not just in the west

Starlight_Glimmer 09-04-26 16:51:48 No.2775210

>>2775147
As >>2775096 Anon says, today's average, not the radical, western left-wing parties appeal to minority rights, ignore the protection of workers' rights, and turn socialist ideology into luxury and empty talk, all to attract the attention of the liberal public. In Eastern Marxism, for example, in China and post-Soviet countries, we see support for imperialist wars or attempts to restore capitalism, and
they also attract the attention of a conservative and chauvinistic public.

Anonymous 09-04-26 18:06:22 No.2775309

>>2775099
>minneapolis just had a general strike this year
That was a symbolic one-day 'strike' organized explicitly along partisan, cross-class lines that involved brave acts like asking businesses in advance to close so that workers didn't have to disobey their bosses.

Yes labor unions do exist and can do good work but it's disingenuous to claim they constitute a 'movement' if the only way they can get anything done is by allying with liberal political machines or the petty bourgeoisie.

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