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🗽United States Politics🦅

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.

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 No.1612233

>>1612167
The confederate battle standard isnt really a flag representing genocide of minorities as much as it is a flag that many white southerners represents our living nation (the historical national flag of the CSA is the stars and bars, but the battle standard has non-historical connotations) in the same way as italians might feel about the flag of italy or the germans might feel about the german flag. The real issue with dianne feinstein flying the confederate flag in san francisco is that she should have been flying a huelga bird instead.

 No.1612235

RFK Jr. might run in the general as an independent. Will an elderly white anti-vaxxer pull more R votes than D votes? Somehow I think so.

>Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. could be planning to run as an independent, Mediaite reported. He could announce his decision on Oct. 9 while campaigning in Pennsylvania.


>“Bobby feels that the DNC is changing the rules to exclude his candidacy so an independent run is the only way to go,” a campaign insider told Mediaite. Without confirming the story, Kennedy released a video inviting followers to join him for a "major announcement" in Philadelphia Oct. 9. "There I will share with you our path to the White House," he says.

https://themessenger.com/politics/rfk-jr-could-be-planning-an-independent-run

 No.1612243

The people saying voot trump to accelerate the decline of US empire are as retarded as the german commies who said who said "after hitler, us". They will suffer the same fate as Ernst Thalmann. The premise of the argument is wrong thinking Trump is some isolationist wheras the republicans have 99999x more of a hate boner for China than the dems. Trump will ban all "communists" i.e. Chinese citizens from the US, anti asian racism will probably ramp up and he will station troops on Taiwan provoking china

Ironic how the dengists are silent on this

 No.1612246

>>1612209
CPUSAnon continues to be a high quality poster. Admitting to this shit should be automatic grounds for hard drive seizure.

 No.1612247

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>>1612222
Nice quads.
>>1612223
At this point anyone who complains about tankies is de facto anti-socialist. It's not even like we do anything; what usually happens is Socialists (some collection of Anarchists and MLs most of the time) do some good work, and then libs jump into it and start whining about how "tankies are taking over" (i.e. they exist) and try to expel them.

Anyone. Anyone at all that whines about tankies should be thrown out of whatever org they're in.

>>1612235
>Bannon gets RFK to run in order to split the dems' vote
<He might split the R's instead.
Would be the funniest Uno Reverso of all time.

It's kind of surprising because Bannon is, otherwise, a pretty cunning rightoid. If he really wanted to split the dems he should've thrown his hefty weight behind a progressive.

There's been an ideological sorting of sorts. It was accelerated by covid-19. If you're anti-vaxx at this point, then you aren't going to vote for the dems, period. If RFK leverages the fact that Trump is boasting about his role in producing the vaccine, then he could genuinely siphon votes away from him. The "Kennedy" name would also appeal to Q-boomers.

Some context: I really enjoy the Q-Anon Anonymous Podcast. Recently they went into the Negative 48 cult; which were the freaks camped outside of Dallas waiting for the transfiguration of JFK. They have this whole insane conspiracy that Trump, Elvis, and the Kennedies are all part of this Merovingian bloodline and descendants of Jesus Christ himself. Quite of few of those freaks, including the leader of the cult, were former Dem voters that lost their minds during quarantine. So RFK running as an independent? Well he ain't likely to split the dems all that much, because they already had their split. He totally could split off Trump voters by virtue of his name and his insane beliefs.

Honestly, Dems should hype up RFK's campaign.

 No.1612251

>>1612247
>They have this whole insane conspiracy that Trump, Elvis, and the Kennedies are all part of this Merovingian bloodline and descendants of Jesus Christ himself

woa that is some powerful schizo shit

 No.1612254

>>1612243
Based Analysis Comrade, ✊😜! If the Revisonist/Tankie/Dengist Marcyite Campists had half a Brain, they would all happily vote for Biden, as he is an honorary Dengist himself, due to his son hunter working with Chinese companies and sleeping with Chinese hookers (His sex life, global business/political connections, and Crack Pipe Use, together make Hunter Biden the literal, walking, breathing, incarnation of the GIGACHAD Meme, which is why Fascist Republicans hate him so much ), along with the fact that Biden’s “CHIPS Act” screws Taiwan out of their Semiconductor fabs (thus removing the reason for the U$ to defend them if China invades) and Biden literally saying (in Vietnam no less) that “WE WILL NOT CONTAIN CHINA”, 😂🤣✊😜!

 No.1612262

>>1612247
Do people actually still care about the vaccine and the lockdowns? Anti-lockdown hero DeSantis has turned into a meme candidate, meanwhile Trump openly brags about his beautiful vaccines and shits on everyone else in the polls

 No.1612266

>>1612246
>>1612209
He's said some pretty repugnant stuff, but he hasn't actually admitted to any crimes, so there are no grounds for a criminal investigation. If you treat anyone who wants to decriminalize something as a potential criminal then you can easily apply the same logic to justify police surveillance of anyone who espouses revolutionary views.

With that said, I think it's obvious at this point that Vowsh has said enough pedo shit that his career is at risk if he challenges the established order too much. One push from the corporate media demanding he be cancelled and he's done. If he had opposed western "lethal aid" to Ukraine instead of shilling for it I think he'd be exposed already.

 No.1612267

>>1612243
while i agree the trump shilling is tarded especially from marxists, a second term wont be the calamity everyone is expecting

 No.1612269

>>1612266
>If you treat anyone who wants to decriminalize something as a potential criminal then you can easily apply the same logic to justify police surveillance of anyone who espouses revolutionary views.

whats its like to live in the clouds? someone was says child porn shouldnt be prosecuted is as despicable as someone who says slavery shouldnt be prosecuted. i am against surveillance, the police, and prisons, but i am not against them locking up pedophiles. if it was even slightly ambiguous how much of a pedo apologist v*ush is i might hesitate, but its not, he is an apologist for the rape of children. he should be drawn & quartered. if it was a question of "should we expand the surveillance state to catch pedos?", i would say no, thats a red herring, theyre using low hanging fruit to advocate for strengthening a police state. as it is pedos arent prosecuted as much as they should be because why the fuck should cops care, a not insignificant amount of them are involved in sex trafficking themselves and the feds are too busy helping stage terrorist attacks and mass shootings on the off chance they can advance their career by catching them in time

v*ush should be fed to the pigs, it should look like a pack of wild boars got into a mcdonalds

 No.1612270

>>1612266
>noooo you can't investigate pedos because m-m-muh revolooshun!
god i love baby anarchists.

 No.1612274

>>1612267
That's because "the calamity" never happens, not even COVID brought down the system

 No.1612275

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>>1612102
>>1612204
I say this clip of Chairman Milley's finale speech and he was laying it on a bit thick.

 No.1612276

>>1612269
>>1612270
You either support freedom of speech for your worst enemies, or you don't actually support freedom of speech. If you say you support the right to freedom of speech, presumption of innocence and so on, except for fascists and pedos, you're immediately going to see the definition of fascist and pedo rhetoric expanded past its original targets and used to attack the left.

This has already been used against us. Because most of the left supports the position that fascist and anti-semitic speech should be suppressed, the bourgeois establishment expanded the definition of "anti-semitism" to include any criticism of Zionism or finance capital and used it to launch a successful purge of the UK Labour Party, which the left could have resisted much more effectively if they had a history of supporting free speech on principle without exceptions.

 No.1612277

>>1612276
Considering that the right controls the entire media apparatus in the UK I really don't know how much that would matter

 No.1612278

>>1612276
"Freedom of Speech" never existed at all. It was a privileged that can be taken away at any time for any reason by the bourgeoisie.

 No.1612282

>>1612167
>TEH RAYCISS FLAG
>hate speech in scare quotes

i love it when /pol/yps tell on themselves

 No.1612284

>>1612276
>freedom of speech
oh you cannot be this fucking stupid.

 No.1612286

>>1612266
>but he hasn't actually admitted to any crimes
The motherfucker also admitted to sexually harassing a girl. The guy is literally scum of the highest order.

 No.1612287

>>1612278
>"Freedom of Speech"… is a privilege that can be taken away at any time for any reason by the bourgeoisie.
According to their own constitutions, just about all of which guarantee the right to free speech, no, they can't. The way they deny the right to free speech in practice is through exceptions and loopholes - "hate speech", libel laws, regulatory pressure on tech monopolies, etc. Instead of actively supporting these exceptional laws as much of the left does, we need to oppose them and support freedom of speech on principle. That way, when the bourgeoisie inevitably shuts down and suppresses our speech - we can rightly say they are breaking with the same principles they claim to uphold - not some mealy-mouthed plea that unlike the fascists they suppressed earlier, we don't count as "extremists".

 No.1612291

>>1612266
>If you treat anyone who wants to decriminalize something as a potential criminal then you can easily apply the same logic to justify police surveillance of anyone who espouses revolutionary views
>>something

 No.1612294

>>1612247
>At this point anyone who complains about tankies is de facto anti-socialist. It's not even like we do anything; what usually happens is Socialists (some collection of Anarchists and MLs most of the time) do some good work, and then libs jump into it and start whining about how "tankies are taking over" (i.e. they exist) and try to expel them.

exactly, even my irl anarchist friends who used to jokingly say it dont anymore since its been picked up by liberals & their leftoid fellow travelers

>>1612276
shut the FUCK up, we dont live in your super special ideal republic, im sorry to have to break this to you but "rights" dont exist outside of the will of the people who enforce them, & as long as were living under the regime of capital i think investigating & potentially imprisoming suspected pedos (if theyre guilty, they should stay on the list if theyre apologists either way) is INCREDIBLY MERCIFUL, and i wouldnt mind if they were strung up. in a better world maybe they could be isolated from children & reeducated, i want a world like that. its not ours so miss me with the apologia for people raping children

 No.1612308

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Dog bless this country! o7 o7 o7

 No.1612313

>>1612308
>promoting democracy
i doubt.

 No.1612316

>>1612287
You can't trust process or rely on the goodwill of the bourgeoisie to keep their promises when their neck is on the line. The rules are whatever's convenient for them at any given moment, carrying out assassinations on its own citizens isn't legal but the US government does it anyway. Legal battles take years, and by the time these things come to light the perpetrators are either dead or happily retired and the government is very sorry and doesn't do that anymore, they promise.

 No.1612318

>>1612294
>im sorry to have to break this to you but "rights" dont exist outside of the will of the people who enforce them
Yes, this is true, which is exactly why we need to promote the importance of these rights to the general population. When it's obvious to everyone that shutting down our speech and publications is a contravention of the law, then that moment gives you the moral authority for breakthrough recruitment, maybe even a revolutionary crisis. On the other hand, if you hand over the right to prosecute speech to the bourgeois state, when they extend the ban to your publications your protests are going to be met with a dejected "well, the Guardian said they were anti-semites, did you see that graffiti of a banker that leftist drew?"

>>something

Would you support that anyone who campaigns for marijuana to be decriminalized be liable to get their door kicked down to search for contraband weed? There is no direct suspicion of a crime when Vowsh expresses his (despicable) view that CP should be decriminalized, so he's within his rights to express those views without police harassment.

 No.1612319

>>1612294
>exactly, even my irl anarchist friends who used to jokingly say it dont anymore since its been picked up by liberals & their leftoid fellow travelers
Anarchists get called tankies these days which is hilarious. I've seen people bickering how CHOMSKY is a fucking tankie.

 No.1612358

>>1612251
The Negative 48 cult in particular is fucking nuts.

The guy behind it calls himself negative 48 because he got into bizarre Hebrew numerology and came to the conclusion that the number "48" means "Evil" so by calling himself "Negative 48" he's "Anti-Evil". He died in some kind of automobile accident and his cult schismed over whether he's actually dead (they recovered his body) or is simply going into hiding ("Muh body-double, deep state assassins came after him.") He would do something like 8 hour livestreams where he rambles a bunch of numbers and explains their meanings.

>>1612262
Yes. Its still a residual culture war issue, even as the government quietly accepts that folks will either get the vaccine or they won't. Q-Anon types, according to reports from their families, still insist that any day now a signal will go out that causes all the vaccinated people to die en masse.

>>1612266
>He's said some pretty repugnant stuff, but he hasn't actually admitted to any crimes, so there are no grounds for a criminal investigation.

If a guy repeatedly talks about how pedophilia isn't wrong, child pornography isn't wrong ("if you don't pay for it, bruh") and openly admits to masturbating to cartoon depictions of children and says that he finds girls as young as 14 sexually attractive, then at the very least I wouldn't allow that man near any kids. That there are folks claiming Agent Kochinski sexually harassed them over fbi.gov is only more evidence against him. Past a point, he should be investigated for all the frankly disturbing comments he's made.

>If you treat anyone who wants to decriminalize something as a potential criminal then you can easily apply the same logic to justify police surveillance of anyone who espouses revolutionary views.


Except the government and police already do. One of our comrades, JT of Second Thought and Deprogram Fame, got confronted by a few government spooks just for saying the CIA was a terrorist organization. There's no "red line" where, when we legalize going after suspected pedophiles we legalize going after revolutionaries. The government already does that.

I'm not advocating for the expansion of government power. The government already has that power and it's used it. I'm saying this particular guy has made enough perverted statements that he should be investigated. If he says he sees no problem with viewing child porn and finds the idea of an eleven year old having sex with an adult arousing, then he's given more than enough reasons to investigate him.

>With that said, I think it's obvious at this point that Vowsh has said enough pedo shit that his career is at risk if he challenges the established order too much.


Has Agent Kochinski, at any point, even remotely challenged the established order? Like, at all? He's openly supported NATO. He's frankly imperialist and has supported, at various times, the intervention in Iraq and the proxy war in Ukraine. He's claimed to be a "pacifist" so he's by no means a revolutionary. He's repeatedly attacked America's geopolitical enemies and openly promotes the democratic party. Has he done anything at all to challenge the established order? Because we aren't even talking "too much" we're talking basic principles. He's attacked Socialists and various leftists more than anyone in actual power.

>One push from the corporate media demanding he be cancelled and he's done.


G O O D

Agent Kochinski doesn't need to exist, at all. He's entirely self-serving. He doesn't organize anything. He doesn't advocate for anything. He should be working an actual job like a normal prole instead of subsisting off ad revenue and Patreon. He's just some fatass who plays video games all day. The Left doesn't "need" him at all.

>If he had opposed western "lethal aid" to Ukraine instead of shilling for it I think he'd be exposed already.


That implies he has any reason to oppose western lethal aid. This is the same guy who said Russians should be sanctioned until they're starved to make them "nice and compliant."

>>1612275
He seems like more of a human than any freak in Washington right now.

>>1612276
>You either support freedom of speech for your worst enemies, or you don't actually support freedom of speech.

Do you think that's ever applied to the Right? I'm in the CPUSA, we had Klansmen hunting Comrades down throughout the cold war. If you were an open Communist, you'd be arrested, tortured, you'd lose your job, your relationships, all with the governments approval. Do you think at ANY point the fucking pigs said "Well we can't arrest this communist, because if we do we'll have to arrest Klansmen"? No. They just arrested the commies and rubbed shoulders with the Nazis. Fred Hampton was murdered by the cops, did the John Birch society have to deal with ANYTHING to that extent?

>If you say you support the right to freedom of speech


I never said I did.

>presumption of innocence and so on


What presumption of innocence did Henry Winston get when he was beaten and mistreated by the cops 'till he went blind? What presumption of innocence did ANY of the people dragged before HUAC and publicly shamed get?

>except for fascists and pedos, you're immediately going to see the definition of fascist and pedo rhetoric expanded past its original targets and used to attack the left.


You're making it sound like the Left isn't already attacked. Y'know the government is wholly capable of attacking one group while letting the other off, right? The constitution ain't magic bud, there's nothing stopping the government from saying "Well just because we attack the left doesn't mean we have to attack the right."

>This has already been used against us.


Which disproves your own point that actually persecuting Fascists and Pedophiles would "open doors" for the Left's persecution.

>Because most of the left supports the position that fascist and anti-semitic speech should be suppressed


Which it should.

>the bourgeois establishment expanded the definition of "anti-semitism" to include any criticism of Zionism or finance capital and used it to launch a successful purge of the UK Labour Party, which the left could have resisted much more effectively if they had a history of supporting free speech on principle without exceptions.


What makes you think, even for a moment, that they wouldn't have done it anyways? The Right went on and on about "Free Speech" during the SJW years, and the second they had the chance they started banning transgendered athletes, banning books, legalizing running over protesters, on and on it went. Do you think some nerd in a lanyard pointing out "Heheh, well, looks like you just made yourself a hypocrite!" stopped them at all? Y'know what all the calls of hypocrisy did to Trump? Jack. Fucking. Shit.

You want to know what Corbyn could've done? Not saying it would've worked, but he could've just said "Yeah these guys are obviously lying about anti semitism to kill my campaign." He could've been completely unapologetic, he could've said that the accusations were bullshit nonsense. That doesn't require some reliance on free speech, just common fucking sense.

The same people that fret about "tankies" on the Left are the people who threw Corbyn under the bus the second the first accusations came out. Instead of having a left "devoted to free speech" we could use a left with some cajones.

>>1612318
>Would you support that anyone who campaigns for marijuana to be decriminalized be liable to get their door kicked down to search for contraband weed?

Again, do you think that'd stop the feds from doing it even if they wanted to?

>>1612319
>Anarchists get called tankies these days which is hilarious. I've seen people bickering how CHOMSKY is a fucking tankie.

Every day I rebel against the idea that "leftism" has to do with morality at all. More and more I see it as some misrepresentation of Marxist ideals as "slave morality" rather than an actual political program.

 No.1612360

As much as there is an extreme pedo panic going on in America right now Agent Kochinski definitely has made some pretty suspect statements, to say the least. I feel like this is an odd hill to die on.

 No.1612362

>>1612267
For LGayBTs, mexicans, and blacks, it would be a calamity. white people would be fine, which is why you don't see terminally online marxists very worried about a trump presidency

 No.1612364

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>>1612319
>>1612358
Used to be back in the day "tankie" was defined as MLs who would advocate for reactionary policies/ positions under the veneer of Marxism-Leninism.
But nowadays if you dare point out that the USSR/ Cuba did anything remotely good or point out NATO is imperialist to go fuck itself you're labelled as a "tankie".

though i suppose when it comes to MAGAcoms, such a label has some use

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Been reading The Class Struggle in the Ancient Greek World, damn burgerland really is the heir of Athens huh

 No.1612368

>>1612362
>blacks
A second term of Trump wouldn't be anymore of a calamity than Biden,1st term Trump,Obama,W,Clinton……well most presidents were not good for black america. Police will still come in to bash skulls whether it's blue team or red team. That prison labor need slaves to work. Only difference is dems backstabs and gaslight more. GOP spits in your face and lets u know what they think.

 No.1612371

>>1612368
I too, live in 2016 in perpetuity.
>blue team or red team
Opinion discarded.

 No.1612374

>>1612368
The GOP wants to go full mask off 2nd term and start killing their opponents in the street, nazi style. They have to double down in 2024 because it's the last chance they have to win future electons. They are doomed after trump's presidency ends, so they have to ensure that none of their enemies are left standing after 2028

 No.1612384

>>1612364
its been a stupid term since it was used to describe people who thought the USSR was worth defending after 1956 hungary

 No.1612397

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>>1612358
>I'm not advocating for the expansion of government power. The government already has that power and it's used it.
Therefore you acknowledge that the bourgeois state has unjust surveillance and search-and-seizure powers, that it has used those powers against the radical left, and that you would like those powers (legally and extralegally) to be rescinded.

>…I'm saying this particular guy has made enough perverted statements that he should be investigated. If he says he sees no problem with viewing child porn and finds the idea of an eleven year old having sex with an adult arousing, then he's given more than enough reasons to investigate him.

"Investigating him" implies more than just looking at his public statements, which his right to free speech legally allows him to say. It would imply wiretapping his private conversations, seizing his hard drives and so on solely on the premise that he wants something very illegal not to be illegal, therefore he must secretly be breaking the law.

Now, as revolutionaries, we openly announce our desire to eventually do something very illegal (the revolutionary insurrection itself, with 20+ year sentences as per the Jan. 6th trials). From a legal perspective there is just as much justification to spy on us and raid our homes as with Vowsh. You can't oppose the arbitrary power of the surveillance state to spy on our movement while also cheering it on against morally reprehensible people like pedophiles etc. because those near-universally hated people are always going to be the public justification for those powers. You're giving your arguments away.

>Agent Kochinski doesn't need to exist, at all… He's just some fatass who plays video games all day. The Left doesn't "need" him at all.

Fully agreed. I don't keep track of Vowsh much, but from what I've seen, I hate his politics and I hate his pedo shit

>Do you think that's ever applied to the Right? I'm in the CPUSA, we had Klansmen hunting Comrades down throughout the cold war. If you were an open Communist, you'd be arrested, tortured, you'd lose your job, your relationships, all with the governments approval.

There is actually a very good historical example of this support for state repression backfiring with the CPUSA. Back in the 1930s, Trotskyists actually won leadership of the Teamsters union in Minneapolis, launched a massive strike that shut down the city, and ever since the government sought to purge their influence. When the usual media smear campaigns failed, they brought actual criminal charges against the Trotskyist leaders under the newly enacted Smith Act on the basis of their revolutionary views. How did the CPUSA respond? They actively celebrated the persecution of the "Trotskyite fascists" (a phrase that in of itself proves one of my earlier points) and if memory serves even ratted out incriminating information using old personal ties. After that first Smith Act trial the government turned the same prosecutions against the CPUSA itself, and because it had a history of enthusiastically supporting Smith Act trials against fascists (of the real and "Trotskyite" variety) they had no moral authority on which to defend themselves.

In other words, the CPUSA opportunistically granted the bourgeois state the power to persecute its enemies, which then turned those powers against them with more vehemence than it ever persecuted fascists. The idea that the "the government is wholly capable of attacking one group while letting the other off" is not an argument for opportunistically granting the government power to suppress speech when it momentarily opposes our enemies, it's an argument for principled freedom of speech to oppose that government, because only after winning a majority of the population to our ideas will the illegal revolution we desire be possible.

 No.1612407

>>1612246
>CPUSAnon continues to be a high quality poster.
His anti gypsy shit was weird ngl.

 No.1612411

>>1612266
if Agent Kochinski got iced in his own house then 99% of people involved with him would be better off including his fans.

 No.1612424

>>1612204
>>1612275
Y'know, I wasn't quite sure why I posted the LotGH pic at first, but I've got to admit it's been on my mind recently. In a lot of ways its unlike any media I can remember watching, and if I had to explain why, I suppose it'd be because it seems "dialectical" in an abstract sense. While a lot of modern audiences praise Game of Thrones for its political elements, those elements revolve around courtly intrigue: people with power backstabbing each other to remain in power or expand their power. Martin's talent as a writer is in portraying the ugly truth behind power; no amount of personal virtue can save you from inept political maneuvering, as the Starks discover.

However, LOGH is different. It's less about the backstabbing and more about the philosophy behind politics. Or in a way, I suppose it can be said that the characters see themselves as agents of history. Everything that happens in the story bears the weight of history, and the figures within the tale are driven as much by the actions of men hundreds of years ago as they are by their immediate interests.

Anyways, throughout the show you see echoes of this dialectical cycle. You've got a "democracy" (bourgeois democracy, admittedly) that becomes hopelessly corrupt and falls into decadence. Some "Great Man" figure emerges to seize the reigns of democracy and reforms it into a dictatorship. Eventually, the dictatorship falls into excess and those confined to its underclass reform democracy in exile. LOGH takes place amid Dictatorship and Democracy both falling into decadence, and the primary figures of the show, Yang Wenli and Reinhard Lohengramm, are compelled by history to be the representatives of their particular side. By the end, Dictatorship wins out and Democracy is exiled to a single planet, but both sides have "purified" one another; the most self-serving and corrupt politicians of the democracy ran to the Empire when it was clear they wouldn't win, whereas the Empire was reformed into a more enlightened and meritocratic kind of despotism.

Throughout the show, its illustrated that the chief flaw of the Democracy is that its ardent defenders won't seize power. Even when a cabal of nationalistic generals DO overthrow the nakedly corrupt figures running their nation into the ground in a coup, the most talented and virtuous figures of the Democracy overthrow the coup. Meanwhile, the would-be dictator sees no issue in overthrowing the old ruling dynasty to see his ideals come to fruition.

It seems relevant to America's current predicament, and it's a rot that we're seeing throughout our institutions. The people running the system are self-serving and corrupt, and the people that should be in charge won't take that fatal leap into authoritarianism. Milley, for as much as we meme on him, seems to be someone who genuinely believes in America's constitution and liberal ideals. I think he's viscerally disgusted by the politicization of the military. And it's for that very reason that he can't do anything to stop it. He's not a wannabe dictator, he's the Last American.

The rot isn't just found on the top level either. I've heard a reporter claim that they're seeing this negative feedback loop: a few good people expose war crimes and frankly criminal elements of foreign policy, think some Infantryman talking about how his comrades murdered an innocent family for kicks. Good people see that, and they decide they aren't going to join the military 'cause it offends their moral compass. Suddenly, the people that we'd want in positions of power to expose war crimes just aren't there. It begs the question if figures like Smedley Butler hadn't been real Patriots at first, would they be in any position to stop the Business Plot? If Edward Snowden hadn't been comfortable enough to join the NSA, would he have been able to expose its surveillance network?

Institutional corruption grows like mold on overripe fruit. The more it rots, the less people want to associate with it, which lets the rot grow more and more.

So what kind of figure could emerge from such a thoroughly rotten institution to "save" the Nation? Not a believer in Democracy, that's for sure. It'd be a Bonapartist or a Caesar. Whereas Milley might genuinely be motivated by the Constitution and Liberal ideals (and thus couldn't seize power) the dictator-to-be will be someone who joined the military in spite of how rotten the institution has gotten, in spite of the glaring weakness of the Constitution and Liberal democracy. What motivates them will be an intense, monomaniacal belief in their own will: "Only I can save the country" or "Only I can fix things." It'd be a kind of narcissism or messiah complex that elevates their ego over the nation. The result would be someone with absolute power working towards their own individual ends; it could be conservative or it could be pseudo-socialist, but it would be the product of a singular Ego imposing itself on the rest of the nation; for better or worse.

There's helplessness in that, I think. Whereas the Socialist is fundamentally a believer in democracy, that it should be the struggle of the peoples themselves that changes society, this coming Ruler is a believer in the Ego: the people are weak and helpless, their only responsibility is to obey his dictates. Even if he makes necessary reforms: universal healthcare, subduing the Capitalist class, universal housing and employment, I don't think you could see real democracy emerge from such an environment.

These are just a few scattered thoughts I've had. Sorry if it seems chaotic and disorganized. I've been sick the past few days and need rest.

 No.1612441

>>1611369
And now he has become another inner-city statistic

 No.1612448

>>1612374
>They have to double down in 2024 because it's the last chance they have to win future electons
I've heard variants of this (or predictions of an impending Republican collapse) for at least the last 15 years but I don't think it's true, particularly as the economic situation worsens. My own prediction is that since Democrats have tied their own legitimacy to that of the establishment while forbidding movement to the left, in the absence of a coherent working class movement voters are either going to break right to punish them or drop out of voting entirely, all the while Republicans will only keep getting crazier and their voting base more militant.

 No.1612454

>>1612374
I agree that the GOP is in its last legs. But you have to admit that they still could win after Trump.

 No.1612582

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>>1612275
>>1612102
>>1612204

Socialism is good, socialism is good!

People of socialist america have high social status!

Reactionaries and Imperialists are overthrown, Republicans and Democrats tuck their tails and flee.

The entire country of America is united setting of a tide in socialist construction.

 No.1612604

>>1612582
This Milley cope is so lame. He is a lib and now retired.

 No.1612623

>>1612266
> apply the same logic to justify police surveillance of anyone who espouses revolutionary views
Bourgeois moralism.
They already do this.

 No.1612625

>>1612276
> freedom of speech
Fake shit

 No.1612630

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Don't listen to the Fake Prophet's demoralizing smears; National Salvation is coming.
It is time to Heal. Trust the Plan.
- M

 No.1612633

>>1612630
Who is the Sixth Head?
Look to the eponymous 11th Chairman.
26+6=1.
M.


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