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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism No.1833534
>>1833530Ok just clarify what your argument was. You just posted some article without explaining why you posted it. So why?
I already explained real wages are down because of inflation.
What is your point?
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>>1833534Oh and another thing that might have condused you, whatever legal minimhm wage increases that happened under trump were passed under obama, because that's how these laws go, we will raise the minimum wage 5 YEARS IN THE FUTURE. Also I don't know how you are trting to draw a parralel between minimum wage increases in state law and the president. Whhat is the connection?
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>>1833539the real underlying argument is who is more annoying?
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Trump is worse than Biden because he supports tax cuts and single-family zoning laws. There's also a non-zero chance that Biden will capitulate to the pro-Palestine wing of the party, whereas Trump is guarantee to do no such thing. Netanyahu likes Trump a lot more than Biden. But in most timelines the notable difference between the two is that Trump's tax policies are more regressive, his border policies are worse for immigrants, and his economic policies (especially his tariffs) will weaken the US economy. I doubt the status quo on foreign policy or abortion will vary much between the two possible candidates, but if it does, it will vary in a way that implies the superiority of a Biden presidency. A lot of liberals are very scared that democracy might end if Trump wins, and many republicans agree. Project 2025 is a dystopian outcome. This will probably not happen in the event of a Trump presidency, but if it did it would (probably?) be bad for socialismcoin. It's not a particularly high-stakes election, but I will be voting for Joe Biden, because I want more public sector spending and climate change investment.
Also, not a point for Joe Biden per se, but a timeline where he wins is more likely to be a timeline where more democrats win local elections, which will prevent state Republicans from introducing bullshit means testing and work requirements for social programs, if not outright cutting them. Democrats winning state and local elections means more pro-labor and pro-choice policies as well.
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>>1833543>>1833543>Trump is worse than Biden because he supports tax cuts and single-family zoning laws. Siri, what happened to the Trump tax cuts under Biden?
Siri, did Joseph Robinette Biden benefit from those tax cuts?
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>>1833481>He is bff with kim. I like how this ignores the follow-up summit in Vietnam when Kim bailed after Trump demanded he give up the nukes and they went back to threatening each other.
>>1833300>They are though, these protesters are overwhelmingly liberals who either want a “two state solution” or an “independent” Palestine while leaving the mechanisms for Zionism and the people responsible for it largely intact. This seems unlikely to me. A solid number of them also look like Arab and Muslim students, and I would bet that almost all of them view Zionism as a racist ideology and that Israel is an illegitimate state. (Of course this is enough for politicians to label them anti-Semitic and demand their protests be ended with force.)
>>1833294>Are any of the major protests happening in states with Republican governors?I don't think so… it seems to be happening at northeastern Ivies mainly, and California, to some extent. The one that is getting the most attention is at Columbia University which is located in Manhattan, near Harlem. It has some added historical significance because a student occupation there in '68 was a big deal.
>>1833293>So, what are the odds of the National Guard getting called in to one of these university protests and another Kent State happening?Extremely low for the time being. Near zero.
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>>1833543Biden has continued every single one of those policiee Trump instated. In fact even worse: he scrapped the expansion of the welfare state Trump did under Corona.
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>>1833543>Democratic socialist>Shills Genocide Joe and his child killer partyLol
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>>1833543>Trump is a pro-suburban fag.How is this not a self report on his cringe here?
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>>1833546>I like how this ignores the follow-up summit in Vietnam when Kim bailed after Trump demanded he give up the nukes and they went back to threatening each other.Soo? Trump legitamized ki. So much. There were all kind of talks against missile exspansion in Sk and talks of SK raproachment u der Trump and literally nothing under Biden. Fuck outta here if you think Trump wasn't better for North Korea.
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>>1833552And I will say dems are better for cuba and iran, but not sleepy joe really, but nk Is bullshit. Trump was way better.
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>>1833300>these protesters are overwhelmingly liberals who either want a “two state solution” or an “independent” Palestine while leaving the mechanisms for Zionism and the people responsible for it largely intact. Literally does not matter what (you) or they think. It's only up to the Palestinians TBQH.
Don't fall into any traps of purity. What matters is thst they're solidarityvabd divestment work is incredibly important solidarity actions from the West.
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If you want a good vibe check, check out the PN primaries tonight
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>>1833300>these protesters are overwhelmingly liberals who either want a “two state solution” or an “independent” PalestineThen it's your job to educate them during the protests to build more class conciousness.
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>>1833419>consensusthis is an imageboard you fucking idiot
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>>1833553 (You)
I'm gonna break down countrues and which part is better for them
<Russia: r>Ukraine: d<North korea: r<Syria: r<Ethiopia: r>venezuela: d>cuba: dChina: can't call it
H
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>>1833562>cuba: dHow? The sanctions on Cuba have been just as bad under Biden as they were under Trump during a critical time where they should have been eased. Fuck off shitlib
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>>1833562Forgot:
>Iran: d No.1833566
>>1833563Well obama was the one opening up and Trump is cliqued up with miami cubans so I had to give it to D. Yeah sleepy joe has done nothing mostly in 4 years.
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>>1833562<Russia: r>Ukraine: d<North korea: r<Syria: r<Ethiopia: r>venezuela: d>cuba: dChina: can't call it
for me it is
<Russia: r<Ukraine: rNorth Korea: Toss up (IDK if there has been any drama with them recently)
>Syria: d>Iran: dEthiopia: Don't know??
>Venezuela: d>Cuba: dChina: Trump would not start shit but Republicans definitely would more than Biden
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>>1833567Trump pulled troops out of Syria doot. Ukraime it is only republicans who objected to ukraine aid,
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>>1833569These are our choices, you only get two.
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>>1833562Israel is a toss up ofc.. Hard to say who is more ZOGed.
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>>1833573
The stimulus packages passed under Trump what are you smoking?
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>>1833568>First termDemocrats do tend to get elected when Republicans shit up the economy.
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>>1833577The economy was fine except for covid, the tax cuts hadn't come home to roost yet otherwise.
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>>1833487>assassinating an Iranian generalBiden did that earlier this month.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-officials-worry-iran-may-plan-hit-targets-inside-israel-rcna146627>>1833493>THE UNIONS BROUGHT UP WAGESI never said Trump himself raised all of our wages, so you are strawmanning me.
What you say is stupidly obvious and it does not change this fact: The unions were able to massively drive up real wages under Trump, though the unions can only lightly offset the effects of Bidenomics at most.
>>1833497Wrong.
>>1833498The unending stimulus to the bourgeois was AND STILL IS a democrat effort.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1259795>>1833501Biden sanctioned Cuba even more. Bidenomics killed even more. Biden's party created coronavirus in Taiwan. Biden is worse.
>>1833543Not reading all of this because all democrats repeat the same points.
>Trump reduced taxesI'd rather have the capitalists pay less tax than just let democrats print trillions upon trillions and give it to the bourgeois for nothing. Trump's tax cuts were part and parcel to his administration's Great Surge in Wages because they revitalized American industry, benefitting all, because tax cuts allow unions to bargain for more. Biden's trillions in cash stimulus only funded stock buy backs.
>>1833562The entire periphery was better off under Trump.
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>>1833578And le biden fagbproved he didn't have any different plan for covid from Trump. I didn't notice any change in regards to covid policy on jan 20 2020.
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>>1833576More of them passed under Biden. All of them were a democrat-led effort.
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>>1833578Frankly I was thinking more about Obama/Clinton than anything else.
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>>1833558it's not really debatable that when democrats win state elections, they pass pro-choice policies. See also the states which have anti-union "right to work" laws.
>>1833581>I'd rather have the capitalists pay less tax than just let democrats print trillions upon trillions and give it to the bourgeois for nothing. Trump's tax cuts were part and parcel to his administration's Great Surge in Wages because they revitalized American industry, benefitting (sic) allYou are a conservative.
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>>1833591>only thing democrats have is muh shushmortionWell I and no one I know has ever got an abortion so it is rather irrelevant to me.
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>>1833595As long as you agree that I'm right on the object-level. I honestly don't think the case for voting democrat is that strong, but it annoys me when people say things that are factually untrue.
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>>1833598Yeah, I don't care about abortion one way or the other. I care about policies for the living.
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>>1833589Trump's hand was forced by the democrats. The article says this. That's only one bill anyways. Chips act, infrastructure act, etc.
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>>1833600pregnant women aren't alive?
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>>1833600You should care if you're from the left because women are also part of the working class. I personally don't know any billionaire. Doesn't mean they don't deserve to be put in gulags
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An article about the Small Business Tyrants who make up the mass base of the Republican Party with an appearance from the "Smoothie King" of Louisiana, who is also a state representative, who sponsored a law (which passed) eliminating mandatory lunch breaks not for workers… but for child workers.
>Despite the blue-collar affectations of some of its most visible leaders or the populist rhetoric of its most vocal cheerleaders, it has never been more obvious that the Republican Party is the party of the boss, and in particular the party of the small-business tyrant.
>Who or what is the small-business tyrant? It’s the business owner whose livelihood rests on a steady supply of low-wage labor, who opposes unions, who resents even the most cursory worker protections and employee safety regulations, and who views those workers as little more than extensions of himself, to use as he sees fit.
>The small-business tyrant is, to borrow an argument from the writer and podcaster Patrick Wyman, an especially reactionary member of America’s landowning gentry: local economic elites whose wealth comes primarily from their ownership of physical assets. Those assets, Wyman explains, “vary depending on where in the country we’re talking about; they could be a bunch of McDonald’s franchises in Jackson, Mississippi, a beef-processing plant in Lubbock, Texas, a construction company in Billings, Montana, commercial properties in Portland, Maine, or a car dealership in western North Carolina.”
>To look at Republican politics at the state level is to see an economic agenda dominated by the worst of this particular class. Last summer, for example, in the midst of a dangerous heat wave that put thousands of lives at risk, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed a law nullifying local rules requiring water breaks for outdoor workers. The law targeted provisions passed by officials in Austin and Dallas that gave construction workers a 10-minute break every four hours. “For too long, progressive municipal officials and agencies have made Texas small businesses jump through contradictory and confusing hoops,” said Dustin Burrows, the Republican state representative who introduced the bill. Burrows, it should be noted, is a small-business owner himself.
>More recent is a Florida bill, signed into law this month by Gov. Ron DeSantis, that similarly forbids local governments from setting heat exposure rules for workers. Backed by business groups, the law also prevents governments from “maintaining a minimum wage other than a state or federal minimum wage.” Even if a city wants one of its vendors to provide a higher wage than the statewide minimum of $12, it can’t. “Small-business owners don’t have the time or the resources to navigate a confusing and contradictory array of local ordinances that go beyond” what “the state already mandates,” said Bill Herrle, Florida director of the National Federation of Independent Business.
>Consider, as well, a Kentucky bill that would, if enacted, eliminate workers’ rights to lunch and rest breaks. Federal labor law does not require employers to offer either. The purpose of this bill — introduced by State Representative Phillip Pratt, a Republican — is to “modernize” Kentucky labor law to match the federal standard, or lack thereof. Pratt, who owns a landscaping business, says that he would continue to offer those breaks.
>Earlier this year, Pratt also sponsored a bill to weaken Kentucky’s child labor laws, allowing 16- and 17-year-olds to work longer hours. “Our current statutes and regulations unnecessarily restrict the number of hours needed to work, often preventing them from seeking an opportunity to help them pay for college, learn new skills and prepare for the future,” Pratt said. The bill passed in the House and awaits a final vote in the Kentucky Senate.
>And last week, in Louisiana, a Republican-led Statehouse committee voted to repeal a law mandating lunch breaks for child workers. Sponsored by State Representative Roger Wilder, who owns Smoothie King franchises across the Deep South, the bill is part of a larger effort to strengthen employers and weaken labor unions in the state. “The wording is ‘We’re here to harm children,’” Wilder said, responding to the bill’s critics. “Give me a break. I mean, these are young adults.”https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/opinion/the-small-business-tyrant-has-a-favorite-political-party.html No.1833608
>>1833600On abortion specifically, I think it is probably if undesirables and undesired pregnancies be terminated before they become humans who can negatively impact me. I've seen the old murder rates and the fall associated with abortion. Yes better to abort all the crminals before they crime on me. But still I don't care if aborted or not,
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>>1833608Pro abortion advocates need to go harder on this line with the cons. Every guy who is aborted is a fatherless guy who would rob, murder, rape, your families.
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>>1833607How come child labor didn't make a huge comeback until Biden got into office? I'm sure the massive increase in child labor, due to bidenomics, is part of the horrible decrease in real wages since.
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>>1833460>>1833465>Good Cop gives you a donuts while Bad Cop beats you. How could you hate Good Cop!?A snake in the grass is deadlier than a lion in a tree.
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>>1833629How many extra emissions did Biden reduce in his 4 years? I see no difference in the real historical data.
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>>1833619How come child labor didn't make a huge comeback until Trump got into office? I'm sure the massive increase in child labor, due to Trumponomics, is part of the horrible decrease in real wages since.
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>>1833627
>A metap
I don't get it? Google says it's a Native village in Canada.
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>>1833632None, they continue to skyrocket.
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>>1833629The climate distaster is going to be avoided by 2540!
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Why are the 'leftists' here still considering manufacturing consent for their two bourgeois liberal candidates.
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>>1833651Trump was more entertaining.
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>>1833589What is it with this weird lone schizo who keeps trying to convince this board that Trump is good but keeps getting BTFO'd by people with basic reading comprehension
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>>1833534Because "the chart" that keeps being wheeled out whenever this argument happens often depicts wage increases under Trump, failing to take into account that those weren't his doing.
That's literally it.
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>>1833654Trump is functionally equivalent to Biden but Trump was more fun.
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>>1833657I honestly don't really care all that much if a president is fun tbh
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>>1833659But Anon, what about the spectacle? Don't you think watching the world burn is fun?
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>>1833654resident haztard
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>>1833654probably an unironic republican come to leftypol during election season
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>>1833662>>1833668It's burning itself anyway regardless of who wins.
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>>1833671Are you an unironic democrat?
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>>1833675Being an unironic democrat would be contrarian in this modern internet honestly.
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>>1833675>Are you an unironic democrat?Well they are on /leftypol/ after all lmao
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>>1833677Ogayyyy… why do you want to be contrarian?
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>>1833679because they're a schizo on the internet why else?
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>>1833677>Being an unironic democrat would be contrarian in this modern internet honestly.That is a thing, like people who are really into the Democrats online turning it into some kind of edgy ideology.
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>>1833679I am not a democrat nor do I care about it. I just think it'll be the next big contrarian thing. That's the thing with pendulums that these right-wing influencers keep yapping on about
>>1833687It isn't going to happen YET, but i do think that uwu softboy liberalism is getting phased out.
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>>1833607>rules requiring water breaks for outdoor workers. The law targeted provisions passed by officials in Austin and Dallas that gave construction workers a 10-minute break every four hours. “For too long, progressive municipal officials and agencies have made Texas small businesses jump through contradictory and confusing hoops,”
>a bill to weaken Kentucky’s child labor laws, allowing 16- and 17-year-olds to work longer hours. “Our current statutes and regulations unnecessarily restrict the number of hours needed to work, often preventing them from seeking an opportunity to help them pay for college, learn new skills and prepare for the future,” Pratt said.Actual worker here. So last year I was doing a lot of physical work outdoors. We would take water breaks whenever we wanted & the boss didnt give a shit as long as we showed up on time & did our jobs. Mandatory breaks actually had the effect of interrupting our flow which annoyed us. Mandatory lunch had a similar effect & actually made the work day longer. We would've rather eaten on the clock & gone home earlier - mandatory hour long lunches are the worst, but 30 min lunches are bullshit too. 10-15 mins to eat is plenty IME. Have also worked w/ high schoolers who lived w/ their widowed single mother & wanted more hours but were prevented from getting them. Just a few examples off the top of my head from my experience.
Fact is that there are legitimate problems w/ micromanaging from the top.
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>>1833697I'm a worker too and I like the fact that I get guaranteed breaks. I use my 30 minute lunch break to talk to my friends on fbi.gov on my phone and complain about my shift. I'd be pissed if I only had 10 minutes. Not all bosses just let people take breaks whenever they want.
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>>1833697the correct solution to the problems you raise is that the hourly salary you and your fellow workers get is higher. don't accept the management as if it were an unchangeable force of nature.
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According to the most recent data, illicit child labor is up 70.84% since Trump left office!!!!!
<FY 20203,395 illicitly employed minors
>FY 20235,800 illicitly employed minors
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/data/child-labor#:~:text=In%20FY%202023%2C%20we%20concluded,increase%20from%20the%20previous%20year.
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>>1833687Problem is Democrats being edgy contrarians is repulsively annoying. Seen way too many memes lately where it’s like “Palestinian protesters won’t vote for Biden because he won’t give them everything they want!” As though they’re personally asking Biden to give them each $10k rather than just stop gobbling Israel’s cock.
It often feels like Dems are stuck on some playbook from the 70s where they at least tried to do things and could meet maximalist demands with “politics is about compromise, you wanted $5bn in infrastructure spending and got $2.5, that’s something”
The Dems are doing nothing. They’ve coasted too long on Reps being the obviously worse option.
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well net neutrality is back i guess
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>>1833543hmm either I choose the party that is mask off or choose the party that puts on a mask but does or will allow the same thing but slowly.
hmmm
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>>1833812They were started IMT apparently. I’ve seen stickers/flyers where I am too
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>>1833543>Trump is guarantee to do no such thingsource? prove the he is GUARANTEED not to do so
In any case, none of that matters. USAnians must not be cowards, they
must threaten not to vote for Biden in order to stop the USA's genocide of Palestinians.
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>>1833629hillary clinton something minecraft
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>>1833812Lmao those IMT nerds rebranded
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Are we going to get another summer of 2020 but for Palestine instead of BLM?
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>>1833793Adolescents being introduced into the healthcare field is an amazing opportunity for them. You argue for them slaving at McDonald's. It's actually good hands on role for them, so can you really blame the Trump administration for allowing the youth to care for their elderly?
>>1833796This petite-bourgeois philistine centrism only serves the democrats because they are in power.
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>>1833859Lmao when the fuck did I say that you illiterate schizo?
Trump deserves to burn for repealing child labor laws, and Biden deserves to burn for letting it continue. Fucj them both. It’s that simple.
I don’t see how “they both suck” is so hard for you to understand.
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>>1833859>child labor is good when it’s not McDonald’s It’s called graduating high school and going to med school you dumbass lmfao
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>>1833851Unlikely. BLM at least had some tentative foothold in the “mainstream” and media co-opting. Palestine? Ehh, not really. I think the best the Media can get is “what a tragedy that we’re totally unable to stop”. I think Jon Stewart has arguably been the best on calling out US hypocrisy in the mainstream.
Though the fact a lot of vague “progressive” activists and media types are Jewish means a good portion of them have an unspoken attachment to Israel and so some people who’d normally lend support to progressive causes everywhere are sitting on their hands or, worse yet, actively huffing about “antisemitism” in the Palestine movement.
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Shout out to the burger student who held the 'al-qasm's next targets→' sign up in front of the counter-protestors.
Political miss step but Very Very funny. 10/10
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>>1833880The Jewart bothsides shit was so weak.
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>>1833812As others have mentioned before, they are a rebrand of the International Marxist Tendency (Socialist Appeal, Socialist Revolution etc). They are orthodox Trotskyists, but they keep this on the sly and call themselves "orthodox Marxists"
(please leave the label to us "neokauts", you can claim that switching to a transitional program etc. is now necessary in an alleged new age of imperialism, but don't pretend it isn't a major strategic shift from what Marx and Engels endorsed). Anyway, that means that they are indeed more revolutionary than the CPUSA and its Popular Frontist coalitions with the Dems, but you can also expect a cultish internal atmosphere that hounds out dissent to its party line and has immense peer pressure to donate big bucks at party events. This old thread goes into it a bit more.
https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/1757979.html No.1833899
>>1833883I think you got to give credit where it's due. The fact is most Jewish people will have some level of attachment to Israel; shit there was a clip going around on here calling Finkelstein a glowie because he said he found BDS ridiculous or something like that. And I think he might be one of the most anti-zionist Jews out there.
It's normal. Like how Fidel and Che had some affinity for Francisco Franco and Juan Peron and vice versa. The idea that you could completely eliminate some "affinity of kind" so to speak, under current conditions, is a bad joke.
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>>1833870>>1833877Yea its good to have prime age youth wasted away on extra schoolwork and zero opportunity to get hands on training for a piece of paper for the price of a new house.
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>>1833899Nah, I understand where the Jews are coming from, I don't give them any credit for it. It's just another reason to be prejudiced against them in general.
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>>1833581The wages went up while everyone was unemployed during the pandemic, which he fucked up. Of course “wages” would increase.
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>>1833859yhis is far more practical than the cliche moralistic promotion of tertiary education.
But knowing LeftyPol they would rather young people waste away in academic environmemts for vicarious experience.
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>>1833901Why should I as a hypothetical Palestinian give credit for Jews for being slightly less Zionist than the average Jew? For real.
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>>1833581>I'd rather have the capitalists pay less tax than just let democrats print trillions upon trillions and give it to the bourgeois for nothing. The money under tax cuts directly benefits the bourgeois
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>>1833900So many radlibs here are obsessed with banning child labor (I wonder why…) without realizing that Marx himself supported it:
<A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary…From Critique of the Gotha Program
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>>1833581>Trump's tax cuts were part and parcel to his administration's Great Surge in Wages because they revitalized American industry, benefitting all, because tax cuts allow unions to bargain for more. Dumbest phrase I’ve seen on this thread
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>>1833901>Nah, I understand where the Jews are coming from, I don't give them any credit for it. It's just another reason to be prejudiced against them in general.I mean there's not really a "good" reason to be prejudiced against anyone. Social groups have conflicting interests, that's just a fact of life. There's no fixing it currently.
>>1833905>Why should I as a hypothetical Palestinian give credit for Jews for being slightly less Zionist than the average Jew? For real.No one is asking you to, anymore than the Jews have to feel empathy for your plight. It's a choice. I'm giving credit to them for being slightly less shitty. You can hold it against them. I don't care.
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>>1833910hey, it's the curch of marx dude again
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>>1833912>No one is asking you to, anymore than the Jews have to feel empathy for your plight. It's a choice. I'm giving credit to them for being slightly less shitty. You can hold it against them. I don't care.Ok after more thought I understood CPUSA's message. The Palis better suck up to the international Jewry before they get exteriminated to the last man woman and child. Fair enough. A reasonable proposition.
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>>1833910the criminalisation of child labor is for the culture industry to help sell higher education, secirity devices, and endless vicarious media.
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>>1833910>an empty, pious wish>incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry>if it were possibleBoy would he be in for a surprise!
Lots of pro-worker reforms that were previously stated (often by socialists) to be impossible, turned out to be inevitable. The prohibition of child labor isn't incompatible with the conditions of capitalism any more than the minimum wage is, although Rosa Luxemburg claimed it to be "but a utopian dream".
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succdem GODS vs neo-trumpist revisionists
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>>1833785Doubt it.
Even if it gets to the point where we're paid in duck tape, the boys across the globe will be willing to work for scotch.
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Child labor is good actually because it gets children out of the fascist prussian school system quicker
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>>1833848More anecdotes that based schizo Bobby is helping Brandon by pulling votes from the info-warrior crowd more than disaffected Democrats, unless there's some six-dimensional Korean Starcraft chess going on.
>>1833910<A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary…Whenever someone quotes a historical communist figure and then leave off the rest of what they said with "……" you know the next line directly contradicts whatever point they were trying to make.
<… since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.Note "strict regulation of the working time according to different age groups." He laid that out more in some other pieces. His ideas seemed to have a lot in common with German-style apprenticeships, combining work and school.
>Another consequence of the use of machinery was to force women and children into the factory. The woman has thus become an active agent in our social production. Formerly female and children’s labour was carried on within the family circle. I do not say that it is wrong that women and children should participate in our social production. I think every child above the age of nine ought to be employed at productive labour a portion of its time, but the way in which they are made to work under existing circumstances is abominable.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1868/machinery-speech.htm No.1833950
>>1833939Alas schizo bobby is pulling the uh…non-voting 18-29 male voter base…y'know the one that didn't vote in 2016 and in 2020 iirc
That being said I think an important note is the decreasing approval ratings of trump amongst indies. It's not just schizoman joining up
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Who should I vote for in the cracker elections tomorrow? Will it make a difference? h
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>>1834027Who the hell is holding elections tomorrow?
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>>1833921>sell higher education, security devicesThese should be funded by society at large and given to all.
>vicarious media.What's wrong with imagination being promoted in media?
No.1834037
>>1834027isn't the ones for Pennsylvania already here or is it some other state
No.1834044
>>1834037Yeah Pennsylvania was today
t. vooter
No.1834065
>>1833937Post gut.
Prove you’re a southerner
No.1834090
>>1833954
You're right. They keep putting blacks and other minorities in disney movies
No.1834092
>>1834072Disappointing but not surprising.
I obviously did not vote for Genocide Joe.
No.1834099
>>1833652This. Under Trump, everyday I woke up and started with reading his ramblings on Twitter, had a laugh and thought "this is going to be a good day!" while liberals were crying about living under nazi-fascism in current year – bolstering my enjoyment even more.
With Biden I only get senile goofs two times a month, which is not enough of a supply for my schadenfreude needs, plus libs continue to live in their irritating delusion that anti-fascist Biden saved us from Hitler.
Simply put, Trump is the objectively correct decision in terms of vooting for your class interest, which includes a steady supply of hearthy keks as the Empire crumbles.
No.1834102
>>1833735>According to the most recent data, illicit child labor is up 70.84% since Trump left office!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!1
THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WE SHOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP!!!!! THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!
No.1834146
>>1833911It's true though. Explain why you think the unions were more effective under Trump.
No.1834152
>>1833909Obviously, but at least the income from taxation comes from the production of something, or the bourgeois to at least partake in M-C-M'. The unending trillions upon trillions in stimulus that the democrats printed and gave to the bourgeois for nothing fucked us over so much more than Trump's tax cuts.
No.1834160
>>1833870You would know what I am talking about if you actually read what you linked.
>>1833877In actuality, that job would enable the adolescent to get the starting training and experience to prepare them for medical school. Many employers will pay for an undergrad degree. This is not even child labor. You are reactionary.
No.1834161
>>1834160nah it is still exploitation of the youth, cocksucker
No.1834165
>>1834146For the same reason unions were stronger under Obama than under Trump, and stronger under Dubya than under Obama, and stronger under Clinton than under Dubya. Union membership rates have consistently gone down in the USA for decades.
But union membership is higher in blue states than in red states, to a significant degree.
No.1834171
>>1834165You are wrong. Unions were more effective under Trump than Obama. See picrel. Union membership actually went up over Trump's Presidency, though it declined through every presidential term since Bush.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2024/01/24/labor-union-membership-by-year/72329342007/>>1834161Those youth are going to be exploited anyways. I think those adolescents would have better opportunity working in a retirement than in a slaughterhouse or a burger king. What Trump's administration did (according to what you linked) was anything but a gutting of child labor laws, even in the broadest sense.
No.1834172
>>1834146It wasn’t. It was higher under Biden. The guy is the first president to walk a picket line.
No.1834208
>>1834092It's kind of insane to me how the democrats out vooooted the republicans there if you add up all the votes on both sides. In a primary that really did not matter when it came to the democrats
No.1834235
>>1834184The private sector unionization rate fell a measly 0.2% over Trump's whole Presidency. This is despite the democrats wrecking Trump's efforts, like his wall.
The private sector unionization rate has already plummeted 0.3% since Trump left office, so Biden is still worse for the working man. I reckon it is totally reasonable to forecast the private sector unionization rate plummetting down 0.6% for Biden's first term. Biden's trillions upon trillions in endless cash stimulus to the bourgeoisie ENSURES that the capitalists will always crush organized labor.
No.1834237
>>1834208I mean it was a pretty low turnout election, so it makes sense that the results were rather conservative. My general sense is that the average voter just doesn't care about the primary at this point.
No.1834241
>>1834235 (me)
The private sector unionization rate plummeted a whopping 0.6% over Obama's first term. Trump was three times more pro-union than Obama or Biden
No.1834246
>>1834235>>1834241this bit is rather tiresome
No.1834254
>>1834246It is settled then. Unions were strongest under trump.
No.1834267
>>1834160> that job would enable the adolescent to get the starting training and experience to prepare them for medical school.Healthcare is considered dangerous because of all the transferable diseases and it's easier transmission with close contact. Young people shouldn't be thrown into that situation. If they catch a transferable disease it can ruin their entire life and all future productivity. Older people can decide if they want to take the risk and enter the field.
>Many employers will pay for an undergrad degree.College should be guaranteed for all citizens. Why limit it to select employers?
>>1834171>Those youth are going to be exploited anyways.So instead of stopping or limiting exploitation you want to expand it.
Day of the Wall can't come soon enough.
No.1834272
>>1834248Hollywood just can't resist making a sequel.
No.1834275
>>1834254According to your graph it was Ronald Reagan that was strongest union wise so uh yeah
No.1834276
>>1834237>My general sense is that the average voter just doesn't care about the primary at this point.Each party in each state have their own separate primary and different rules. For years it's been purposefully made as complicated and time consuming as possible to drive out average voters.
Remember all the shenanigans the Dems pulled against Bernie both in 2016 and 2020? The whole political system is worthless.
No.1834308
>>1834293stop throwing this around graph like it means anything especially that it "helped unions". The bump featured in the graph is an artificial bump created by lots of low income workers being either laid off or temporarily out of work because of the pandemic and which "drove up" real wages because the average was now higher not because it was actually higher but because a lot of lower income workers aren't factored in thus raising the average (temporarily).
No.1834321
>>1834267>College should be guaranteed for all citizens. Why limit it to select employers?straw man. Workers should have maximum opportunity and living standards. Why deny adolescents the opportunity of higher education and extra income to themselves or their families???
>So instead of stopping or limiting exploitation you want to expand it. A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industry and hence an empty, pious wish. Its realization – if it were possible – would be reactionary, since, with a strict regulation of the working time according to the different age groups and other safety measures for the protection of children, an early combination of productive labor with education is one of the most potent means for the transformation of present-day society.
>Day of the Wall can't come soon enough.You are the liberal. You are the reactionary.
>>1834308Even before the pandemic, Trump's real wage growth was still the absolute highest. Just look at that steady growth. Trump's administration created the conditions you describe regardless.
No.1834324
>>1834308And under Trump those workers received welfare payments, a freeze in student loan payments and corona measures, as well as a child tax credit. All of which was stopped under Biden. I am really sorry but you are not helping your case here. Even if we are entertaining the notion that Trump and Biden aren't equally awful in the long-run Trump beats Biden in the areas where Biden is 'supposed' to be better and more progressive issues. Biden is so bad that there isn't even is an argument to be made to vote for him for someone who is economically progressive and who supports social spending, this is an objective fact and not an opinion. The cuts mentioned above are things Biden has actually done.
No.1834349
>>1834293>unsourced image implies wages went UP during covidOk
No.1834351
>>1834349Wages went up, social spending increased, poverty decreased, child poverty decreased. Keep seething liberal.
No.1834353
>>1834321>Workers should have maximum opportunity and living standards. That includes becoming a specialized worker and getting advanced education.
>Why deny adolescents the opportunity of higher educationThat's what you want to do by making them work dangerous jobs instead of getting advanced education. When they are older and want to do dangerous jobs they can.
>extra income to themselvesFor what? Food and shelter can easily be guaranteed for children.
>or their familiesIf they are adults then they can work those dangerous jobs.
>A general prohibition of child labor is incompatible with the existence of large-scale industryAs was already pointed out it was in reference to apprenticeship system Marx thought was necessary. And I have no problem with teaching practical skills in controlled environments like a shop class. Actually making untrained adolescents and children work dangerous jobs is stupid. Imagine ruining 50 years of potential productivity because of an outdated idea of factory work.
No.1834380
>>1833785>>1833936>American porky sends industry overseas>global south nations grow and prosper as they develop, at least one of them (china or india) will replace the US as top dogI guess the logic here is that American porkies have no national loyalty (that shit is for the proles) but why are they so sure that they would be excepted by the new hegemon?
No.1834389
>>1834235>shifting goalposts>difference of 0.1% percentage points<not taking into account the fact that job growth in non-union industries has outpaced union growthHoly hell you're either actually dumb or so desperate to believe a bunch of meme simping for a bourgeois politician that you're just desperately moving goalposts every time you get BTFO
No.1834391
>>1834353I think this guy is either some kind of boomer or an actual kid who failed stat class. Literally only a high schooler/early undergrad would make these kinds of dumb arguments
No.1834416
>>1834386>The Schizoposters are the people who are actually aware of all the economic trends that went down during covid up until now said the guy who posts anime memesI mean only a total dumbass as well as someone who has been completely indoctrinated into liberal garbage ideology such as 'harm reduction' would post such outrageous apologia. Congratulations for not having followed any economical and social data in the last 3 years. I am sure you have spent that time constructively watching video essayes on TV shows and anime.
No.1834419
>>1834388It's just one data point out of many. It just takes a short google search to check that child poverty had been reduced, even during historical levels thanks to Trump's child tax credit.
The truth is that Trump ends up being the better progressive, even if he is just acting out of sheer oportunism and pragmatism (but who doesn't)? While Biden will stick to neoliberal dogma no matter what, even if the ship is going down.
No.1834421
>>1834391What is your motivation behind lying about the effect Trump's economical measures during Covid compares to Biden?
No.1834423
>>1834416>>1834419>>1834421
>if you BTFO me with context you're lying>le annie maymayAnon, you're not impressing anyone. You keep pulling out graph after graph that you demonstrate you have zero contextual understanding of, and then every time someone tells you "that's not what that graph shows," you move on to the next one and then double-down on vague claims you can't actually give a decent source for half the time.
This is getting old. You're not convincing anyone. Stop fishing for validation just because you want validation for the fact that you've convinced yourself that a meme politician is somehow qualitatively better than any other bourgeois scumbag.
No.1834425
>>1834419>It just takes a short google search to check that child poverty had been reduced, even during historical levels thanks to Trump's child tax credit.Then what's stopping you from posting it here with sources and context if it's that easy?
>I mean only a total dumbass as well as someone who has been completely indoctrinated into liberal garbage ideology such as 'harm reduction' would post such outrageous apologiaWhat part of "people here hate both of them" is so difficult for you to understand?
Frankly, I think you either don't understand what people are saying to you, or you're telling yourself that everyone who thinks your reasoning is poor is a liberal so you can feel better.
No.1834426
>>1834423Not a single rebuttal, completely empty rhetoric by a blue maga liberal
No.1834427
>>1834425>I hate both of them, that's why I am blantantly lying and posting apologia in favor of one of them.Shut the fuck up liberal.
No.1834430
>>1834427>>1834426>if you criticize trump that means you like bidenBaby-brain logic
>>1834426There's nothing to rebut. Just screaming about how everyone you disagree with is a liberal, and whining that everybody who notes that structural factors outside of Presidential control do shit is a liberal.
Stop getting your views from e-celebs. Read Capital.
No.1834431
>stoner edgelord is back
mods, pls
No.1834441
>>1834436This nigha really said check your privilege unironically.
No.1834465
>>1834441I love checking my privileges. Still there, nice.
No.1834469
>>1834440How would you get Burgers to support independence if it is not legally possible within the US?
No.1834471
>>1834324That’s peanuts compared to being unemployed thanks to the pandemic he fucked up
No.1834478
>>1834471Actually many people died and that's good for the labor market. I wish my country did an america-style crisis response. Can I interest you in a smoking habit?
No.1834482
im voting for the greens or cornel, i know they can't win but i can't vote for zion biden or trump
No.1834486
>>1834469Secession referendums are typically overseen by international peacekeepers which do not recognize the illegality of secession in countries that oppress regional cultures or peoples. The UN as well as america's enemies all understand the merit of the right of nations to self-determination and therefore do not recognize the authority of states which deny the ability to gain greater autonomy for regions within their control. Therefore secession in the USA will rely not only on the delegitimization of america's institutions, but also the erosion of america's national legitimacy worldwide, which is already occurring.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_peacekeeping No.1834512
The TikTok ban just got signed into law.
No.1834601
>>1834036>Whats so bad with imagination being promoted?The problem is that worldly exposure is criminaised. Imagination often is comorbid with angst amd longing.
Its only good to be imginative when youre able to particioate in worldly affairs Other wise it encourages schizo inclinations.
No.1834613
>>1834267The real world is dangerous.
You think barring youth from.the real world to protect their innonce is a good thing?
Also college has been promoted heavily since the 1970s and look what happened.
>>1834353>For what? Food and shelter can easily be guaranteed for children.This kind of dismissive thinking is what makes family income vulnerable. You assume that kids are to be granted food amdshelter easily by virtue of their age and that they should be exempted from.earning their own bread.
>That's what you want to do by making them work dangerous jobs instead of getting advanced education. When they are older and want to do dangerous jobs they can.Thats why you train them young. Also advanved education has ruined more young people than has helped them. Six figure debt and zero employment opportunities forces them into shady jobs for quick cash which has no ethical measures.
No.1834615
>>1833919Couldn't have misinterpreted what I was saying harder if you tried.
Also the "international Jewry" thing is /pol/ tier. But again this isn't entirely unexpected given how much the Left eats its own.
No.1834616
>>1834391yet most average adults could care less about your stats about "child labor".
Your idea of youth is the typical sterilised whitewased passive consumer where you have "freinds" and "free time".
No.1834618
>>1834293Trump hates unions. He has used illegal immigrants to build amd work at his resorts.
No.1834624
>>1834613While there’s something to be said about the dangers of constantly sheltering children from the real world, the reintroduction of child labor would be a profound moral crisis. While I’m sure accelerationists will foolishly think “this will radicalize them into being socialists” I think the more likely option will be the creation of a caste of broken, undereducated people, robbed of even the freedoms of childhood for the sake of capitalist exploitation. People need to get this notion that “capitalists making people miserable = class consciousness” because it really doesn’t seem to play out that way in reality.
No.1834629
>>1834512Still trying to figure out why I should worry about CCP data collection more than the data collection of my own glow agencies
No.1834633
>The pro-Trump left is losing it's ground
schizobros…we are losing!!
How did this happen???
No.1834652
>>1834651It's someone who has stupid opinions to mask how boring they are.
No.1834653
>>1834651He is baiting, 100%
No.1834655
>>1834512based retards delegitimizing the government in the eyes of zoomers
No.1834672
>>1834659I said it before but the jannies deleted the post; literally nothing is stopping people from posting under the CPUSA flag. I don't own it more than any other person on this board does. I made my point, that I give credit where its due to Jews who push back on Israel even if it isn't as radical as a Palestinian would; then the chucklefuck above kept screeching that's a kind of Zionism and got salty enough to switch flags and spam about reverse racism and the "woke mind virus".
My position has always been consistent. If you're going to go out of your way to be a douchebag or insist that something I can't control, like race or sexual preference, makes me a "bad person" or somehow inherently untrustworthy, then you can go fuck yourself. I don't give a fuck about imaginary "reverse racism" because the shittiest people I interact with at work are all White Women.
I'd say you honestly can't be any kind of white nationalist or supremacist working in the service industry long enough, especially in a diverse workplace, because you see quickly enough who the shitty customers are. The worst thing a Black person ever did at my job is pretend to hand money only to yank it away as a joke. Meanwhile I've got White people tearing up displays and boxes, or huffing that they shouldn't have to do "my job for me" on the rare occasion I tell them to bag their own groceries.
No.1834677
>>1834672I did not know it was a false flag shitposter trying to imitate you, sorry to hear that. I almost thought you were going insane or ironic or something with that "trotsky woke controlling the government" stuff.
No.1834681
>>1834672The problem is you tilting at windmills and your persecution complex. You also seem to border into maga communism type ideas for good praxis.
No.1834700
>>1834512Zoomers won’t vote for Brandon then
No.1834703
>>1834677Nah, I just decided to take a break and play some video games with buddies. Next thing I know I see some guy with the CPUSA flag spamming "Woke Maoists control the government!" Or some other nonsense.
My posts have kind of hinted that I've been on another Nietzsche kick lately. And y'know I'm typing something up about his concept of sentiment and ressentiment. I think I was getting close with the "master-slave" dichotomy in modern politics earlier, but I'll admit there's plenty of shit to make me think that there isn't a "true" master morality existing in modern American politics. Rather it seems we're just seeing a constant feedback of ressentiment critiquing ressentiment again and again and again.
Now a bit of a primer, though I apologize if I'm treading familiar ground for people. Ressentiment is in essence an inverse of sentiment that emerges from "slave morality." It's a kind of introspective critique of a driving idea or force. Americans can get all hopped up on things like manifest destiny and "civilizing" the West (sentiment) while scholars and activists point out how destructive and morally abhorrent the push west was for native peoples, as well as allowing the expansion of slavery.
Now politics have decayed so much that I think the "sentiment" driving any ideology has withered; maybe it isn't dead, but it takes a back seat to ressentiment. Not a single side offers a solution to the "Woke-Unwoke" conflict because not a single side tries to propel a kind of positive sentiment forward. The Right is still waving the flag and acting jingoistic long after too many public fuck ups for the youth to really believe in some guttural patriotism or social conservatism. Consequently the public face Left critique is, as the Right argues, often miserable, cynical, and at times even misanthropic. Any positive vision for the future has taken a back seat to nursing old grudges and making the Rightoids mad.
Now I'm increasingly starting to think that we need a new politics. A politics of sentiment, as it were, that ideally doesn't reject ressentiment out of hand but still transcends it. This is what Nietzsche wanted: going beyond Master and Slave morality while taking the best qualities of both.
Beyond that, I'm starting to see a need to go beyond simply class politics into what could be called politics of a new type; I think Murray Bookchin might've had an understanding of that in "The Next Revolution" and his emphasis on a kind of Citizens Democracy, but I'm not sure that I would come to the same conclusions. My hunch right now is that people are a composite of various social relations of which class or employment is an integral part, but supplemented by ancillary relations: language, culture, religion, locality, shared histories, hell maybe even shared interests or hobbies in the modern day. I don't think Marx was "wrong" in some meaningful sense, but I think more than the higher wages, more than the regulations of business, it was the shortening of the work day to 8 hours which threw a wrench in traditional Marxist science. What I mean by that is suddenly people had more time to themselves and that expanded their social relations into new forms and mutations. Now they aren't "just" a Prole or "just" a Capitalist in the purest sense, but picking up new forms of self-identity which I think no one existing political movement can upend. The intervention of States into some realms of the economy, as well as the gradual decay of industrial unionism, has further de-centered class as the primary driver of a person's relations to the world.
Hence maybe the need for a new kind of politics. Maybe politics in the purest sense; i.e. concerning the whole of the polity and everything which falls under the polity. Necessarily this means struggling with the reality of losing some specificity; you're no longer appealing to *just* people who see themselves as X, Y, or Z. You're trying to bundle them up into the largest force capable of driving change within current socio-economic structures.
No.1834730
>>1834703You looking for master morality? I can sell it to you for a low price
your balls. I like you but you probably still aren't over your own resentment.
No.1834734
>>1834730>You looking for master morality? Nah, the point of Nietzsche is to overcome master morality, too. Sure it's life affirming, but it's ignorant. Much like slave morality is life denying but introspective.
No.1834739
>>1834703It is my feeling as well that socialism is unable to reproduce itself without human beings adopting a form of radical acceptance and tolerance. So basically socialism will never happen, extinction is inevitable.
No.1834743
>>1834734Oh my mistake I was thinking of Hegel. The part where the slave overthrows the master.
stupid site
No.1834761
>>1834743Yeah, Nietzsche's thoughts on slave and master morality I think are interesting and reflective of his broad views on race, which I've mimicked as a semi-ironic joke than serious politics. He thought that trying to preserve "racial purity" in Europe was stupid and that by intermixing with each other (including the Jews) you'd create a more vibrant and talented kind of people.
>>1834739I don't think Socialism
in its most unvarnished and theoretical state is possible. Every idea gets muddied when it makes the transition to actual practice. Anyone hoping to recreate the same old system exactly as it was in the past is fighting a hopeless battle.
I think when Socialism re-emerges as a distinct form of human organization, it may be a lot less radical than prior incarnations. Sort of like how liberalism gradually morphed after the French Revolution and various failed revolutions after.
Something I'm exploring, and this is an idea that'll need to be refined, is a concept for a new kind of democracy. I'd almost call it "social democracy" but the name is taken, and I don't think "trade democracy" will do it justice. But the basic premise is reorienting democracy away from geographic proximity, and more towards forms of employment or social groups you're a part of. Because I think in America especially, the prominence of suburbs and our commuter/communication infrastructure has essentially eliminated localism in huge patches of the country.
No.1834765
Full TikTok Ban was passed. American great firewall is permanent.
No.1834766
Pretty much the most significant piece of domestic legislation on the internet and media censorship ever written. Hugely curtails American freedoms forever. Done because of hatred of China, anti-sinitic racism. Treated like a marginal issue by many. Probably still will be.
No.1834767
>>1834389>difference of 0.1% percentage pointsIt might not seem like a lot to you, but 0.1% of the entire private sector is well over A HUNDRED THOUSAND PROLETARIANS who's lives have been RUINED by Bidenomics.
What's a hundred thousand ruined lives to a democrat? The difference of a hundred thousand more being ununionized means nothing to you? You're a democrat 🤡
<not taking into account the fact that job growth in non-union industries has outpaced union growthThe endless trillions upon trillions in stimulus along with the PLUMMETING real wages ALLOWS the capitalists to hire more ununionized exponentially faster than they can unionize. That's what I meant by the trillions upon trillions in unending stimulus CRUSHING american labor.
No.1834768
Oh it will marginally depress Biden’s turnout. It will “delegitimize” the government. The government’s legitimacy comes from its unlimited power, which it just demonstrated by executing a media platform used by a huge number of Americans for being too pro-Palestinian.
No.1834771
>>1834767 me.
It's 134 thousand more. 134 thousand more scabs isn't a problem apparently
No.1834773
>>1834769Why do dumb fucks always act like things getting clearly worse is good. It’s bad and it’s happening because you are completely losing, irreversibly. The national security state effortless wielded Sinophobia to permanently revoke from Americas a once sacrosanct freedom. It will never come back and the basted state only becomes stronger.
No.1834776
>>1834767 I did not move the goal posts. The gay nazi democrat I replied to moved the goal posts.
Ii proved to him that it doesn't matter where the goal posts are, as private sector unionization rate decreased less under Trump than both Biden and Obama. Trump is the best president the workers ever had in living memory.
No.1834797
https://nitter.poast.org/disclosetv/status/1783184198477508785#mif you're are not ridin with biden you're are LITERALLY voting for HITLER figuratively
No.1834805
>>1834797Never since Adolf Hitler has a man been so able to hypnotize a crowd through sheer charisma. Notice when Biden says four more years. Pause. He literally commands the crowd to cheer for him. And they do! Irish Joe does it again!
No.1834843
>>1834776Unionization rates (let alone how big the DECLINE in unionization rates is) are not a viable metric for how good the workers have it. Unionization rates exploded during the Great Depression, yet it will still the objectively, materially worst period for workers in American history. In fact, unionization (and worker militancy) exploded BECAUSE it was the worst period for workers in American history.
No.1834850
>>1834843Oh, and before you hit me with the accelerationist "Well then that's why we need to elect Trump, he'll make things so bad the workers organize", that's not how it fucking works. Reagan was also a shitty president, and he oversaw the destruction of the American labor union apparatus. The lesson here is don't vote for bourgeois presidents because they will fuck you no matter what.
No.1834914
>>1834906The kids are doing alright this is good shit right here experience.
No.1834920
>>1834850>that's not how it fucking worksHistorically, it is though. Material conditions - simple as. Fucking up is just part of the learning process. (To be clear, imo voting for Trump would be as retarded as voting for Biden, RFKjr, etc.)
Rhetorical question: Why should we remain stuck w/ a fancy mess which was introduced to address 20th century problems when it's clearly fucked? Cultures have changed, conditions have changed, new experiences have been lived, etc.
Repeal old shit, examine actual modern conditions & problems which arise, ensure that issues are made clear and are agreed upon. Then find/apply effective solutions which are agreed upon. Not saying that itd be easy, but it does sound like a reasonable plan to me. Deep Learning tech does wonders for analysis after all. Wouldnt be surprised if even those solutions had to be redone all over again at some point in the future. Part of the learning process, after all.
No.1834935
>>1834765>>1834766America always had a defacto censorship over the media. Early social media and tiktok temporarily overcame the traditional censorship models but the historical norm has resumed.
No.1834944
>>1834942Japs still mad about not coming up with genshin impact first
No.1834949
>>1834655>>1834906Is banning TikTok and cracking down on protestors a this big miscalculation by the US Bourgeoisie? Sure there's tons of press now but after it fades away will it stick beyond those most directly affected?
No.1834958
>>1834942I honestly don’t understand the hate from Japan. You fucked them up and didn’t apologize and you expect them to not have issues with you?
No.1834959
>>1834949It depends on if students start getting shot and killed.
No.1834969
>>1834906Lmao love how they gave up on putting the Ukrainian flag on the top of each edition
No.1834970
>>1834949It's not, people will move on eventually.
No.1834971
>>1834949Reality is becoming increasingly unfavorable to their programs, so now all they can do is try and control its perception.
No.1834976
>>1834958Some say it’s motivated by the declining economic strength and *social inversion* whereby Chinese become richer and more culturally progressive than Japan.
But really is just that in the Selected Countries it’s become permissible and even encouraged to hate Chinese because they are aligned as part of the West against the oriental menace. Most racism is barely restrained and held back by social norms. When those norms invert, pure hatred suffuses the social space without bound, until it shocks the conscience. It happened here too, starting in 2017 and peaking 2021 or so, and is gathering strength again. But in Japan and SK it’s acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.
No.1834980
Trump slams anti Israel protesters, promises to "fire the radical left" from all college campuses if electedhttps://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-hell-fire-radical-left-from-colleges-focus-on-defending-american-tradition-if-electedhttps://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/united-states/donald-trump-slams-antiisrael-protests-at-columbia-university/video/72129fbeb2576db91943e8ed9cd4053aTrump said his "secret weapon" will be the "college accreditation system," which he says is called "accreditation for a reason."
"When I return to the White House, I will fire the radical left, accreditors that have allowed our colleges to become dominated by Marxist maniacs and lunatics," the former president continued. "We will then accept applications for new accreditors who will impose real standards on colleges once again, and once and for all."
Trump said the standards would include "defending the American tradition and Western civilization, protecting free speech, eliminating wasteful administrative positions that drive up costs, incredibly, removing all Marxist diversity, equity and inclusion bureaucrats, offering options for accelerated and low cost degrees, providing meaningful job placement and career services, and implementing college entrance and exit exams to prove that students are actually learning and getting their money's worth."
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>>1834980I am not american, but i am not voting for trump after that
No.1834993
>>1834983But but but he's le based anti-imperialist
No.1834999
>>1834486Why aren’t there UN peacekeeping missions in the U.S.? There is violence and political instability.
No.1835000
>>1834976>But in Japan and SK it’s acceptable to call for death of all Chinese in the last few years.The US is probably prepping them to be cannon fodder shock troops.
No.1835002
>>1834976It’s all artificial and propaganda
No.1835004
>>1834980LMAO, Don Zion strikes again to show how the GOP is essentialy a party of opportunists and evangelical imperialists who seek the interests of the bourgeoise, truly the "america first" party that only support the few chvddy petit burger losers.
Guess america is fucked with those brainrotted imperialists on power,
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>>1834980Expect the leftiods here who still has cringe/based dialectics in their brains to DEFEND this.
I am not telling you to voot for biden, if you are an accelerationist go vooot for trump but I am sick and tired of all this trumpfaggotry on this leftypol
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>>1834920>>1834850Gonna offer my own take here and say I disagree with the fundamental premise of "accelerationism" as Socialist praxis. If anything I imagine it'd benefit Fascists and I sincerely doubt the "After them, us" nonsense that gets spouted around. Hell I've heard the term "accelerationism" actually comes from an Italian Neo-Fascist (a self described "Nazi-Maoist") during the years of lead; he thought it would lead
them to power first and foremost.
That aside I think it goes back to the Caesar versus Spartacus dilemma I mentioned. For those who are wondering what I'm talking about, Oswald Mosley in his "The Philosophy of Fascism" contrasts the figure of Julius Caesar to Spartacus briefly, saying:
>Caesarism stood against Spartacism on the one hand and the Patrician Senate on the other. […] whenever the world, under the influence of Spartacus drifted to complete collapse and chaos, it was always what Spengler called the “great fact-men” who extracted the world from the resultant chaos and gave mankind very often centuries of peace and of order in a new system and a new stability.Contrast this with Karl Marx, who called Caesar a "mediocre individual" I believe; whereas he saw Spartacus as a heroic leader of the ancient proletariat. I think more than seeing the worldview of these two men in these statements, you also get a deeper insight into the psychology of how people within a society react to its decline. Let's not forget, Spartacus wasn't
part of Roman society in a meaningful sense. Slaves had little to no rights, to the point I think it took later Emperors instituting laws that seem more on par with regulations against animal cruelty than any rights entitled to a full human being. It might've been Cato the Elder that said he basically worked his slaves until they were too old or broken to be worked anymore, then sold them for profit. They were exploited
by Roman society, but not members
of Roman society. Let's consider the poorest members
of Roman society and I believe they would be the plebeians. They would work from a young age, often in urban poverty, and certainly held some resentment for rich Roman patricians… however when it came down to it, they weren't friends of Spartacus. If anything they were likely rallying to the State to save them
from Spartacus. His army of freed slaves, even if the plebeians by and large weren't slave owners themselves, represented an existential threat to Roman society which they were a part of.
An example of that mindset would be: your piece of shit dad borrows some money from some cartel without telling anyone. Well he doesn't have the money at their exorbitant instant rates and now a bunch of thugs are pounding on the door to your family home. Even if your father is the biggest piece of shit on earth, you likely aren't going to open that door. You'll beat him just as much as he beats you; maybe part of you wants to kill him, but there's no way you're opening that door to the cartel. And if they try to break in, chances are you'll reach for the gun above the fireplace rather than hoping by being a passive observer they won't hurt you.
Now most of the time "Marx was speaking to his time, times have changed since then!" Is a lazy rebuttal of Marxism by people who think he only talked about how mean the old gilded age tycoons were. But we shouldn't dismiss it out of hand just because it's lazy. There
have been numerous changes since Marx's day, and I think the most notable of these has the gradual enfranchisement of workers under bourgeois republics. I think this represents a seismic shift from the proletariat being comparable to the "slaves of Rome" and towards a class reminiscent of the plebians. And the thing is once you're fully brought into a social reality and have a stake in it, the "fuck it, burn it all down" mentality so eagerly embraced by a lot on the Left places them in a category
outside of that reality. When I pointed out earlier that Lenin mentioned he loved the Russian language and culture as a pushback against the vulgar "fuck America" stuff on here, a lot of people huffed and said "WELL HE MERCILESSLY CRITIQUED THE TSAR! IF HE WAS A PATRIOT HE WOULD HAVE LOVED THEM!" Which, I mean, I'm not saying Lenin was at all a patriot, but there's a huge difference between critiquing the rulers of a society and
the society itself.I told a friend once, who's also a Communist, that I can't hate "America" in the general sense because America, to me, is my coworkers. It's my neighbors. It's the fellow who lived a block down from me and asked for help shopping in case his electric wheelchair broke down. It's the immigrants who came here. Hell, it's
me. Whether we want to or not, we're a part of this huge social reality, in the same way we can't choose our parents or siblings.
In Marx's day you'd see, even in republics, things like the franchise restricted to property-owning men. Hell FDR had trouble getting minimum wage passed because of a strict classical liberalism in the supreme court that saw any contract between individuals as sacrosanct, even if it's between an employee and an exploitative employer. You'd have entire communities of people who were working class, all living in the same town (maybe even the same tenement!) working six-days a week, sometimes for 14 hours a day. What Marx saw as class consciousness could also be thought of as the birth of a nation
within the nation. A nation of people with the shared experience of laboring for most of their lives under a class of ruthless capitalists. They could look their boss in the eye and see in him a symbol of a wider conflict; much like how Spartacus spent his last moments trying to kill Crassus.
But once you're brought into the system the desire to burn it down completely, barring some truly extreme circumstances, is whittled away. The Russian Proles and Peasants had centuries of truly brutal serfdom and limited political rights to look back on. The Chinese lived through a century of anarchy and the warlords which emerged were often highly self-interested and arbitrary in their rulings. The people who fought for the revolutions in those countries, broadly speaking, weren't rebelling against a society they were a part of. They were rebelling against one they were outside of.
The resilience of Bourgeois Republics in resisting revolution isn't just because of the false promise of voting, but because the modern Republican Citizen is fundamentally part of the society that the Marxist boasts they'll burn down. Revolution seems more like smashing the support beams of your own house rather than toppling an oppressor. I've been to some truly poor parts of the country, and I've met Native Americans dressed in some "'Murica, love it or leave" shit. In that same town I saw a Black man complain about "N**gers from Cali coming up here to steal and deal drugs". These weren't rich men by any means. It wasn't a town of rich people. They however saw themselves as part of a larger social organism. You could bring some really talented Marxists up there, and as long as they keep spouting the "fuck society" line they'll be alienated at best and shot at worst. Not by the feds, but likely by the people of the town themselves.
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>>1835006Trump would order the national guard to shoot the protestors. Pro-trump retards are just retarded adventurism brain rot posters who want an epic happening.
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>>1835008Oh and one final addendum: I don't think this is a particularly western phenomena. I remember watching a special report on Indian workers in salt flats. The pay was shit, the conditions were poor, these people were undeniably hyper exploited, yet I don't see them running off to join the Naxalists. As it stands one could argue that the position of the Naxalists has gotten poorer over the years, and while I confess I don't know too much of Indian politics, I don't see a Socialist Revolution emerging there in the immediate future. Maybe a Social Democracy, but even with all the problems it faces and the frankly cruel caste system within the country, as long as they can incorporate more people into the wider polity, the state can survive.
No.1835022
>>1834980>(((Marxist)))We're just going to ignore this antisemitic dogwhistle aren't we?
No.1835028
>>1834993Anon, its trumpover
No.1835040
>>1834949Ban reddit not TikTok
No.1835052
>>1835008Aren't you an advocate for fascism?
No.1835055
>>1835040Bro Reddit is Glowie central Reddit is completely compromised by the Feds.
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>>1835054
Don’t click on hide I would be devastated.
No.1835058
>>1835050Hang all teachers
No.1835059
>>1835057it's a spambot.
they have been periodically spamming with greentext quotes of random posts ITT. seems like a test for when mods are asleep.
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>>1835049
What if I hate all my coworkers and neighbors though
No.1835174
>>1834980This is Fox News, so the framing is made for a specific audience to build support for Trump. This audience is very backwards and just plainly hates all petite-bourgeois Columbia University students. Using Fox News to gauge Trump's actual relation to this issue is questionable at best.
Trump: College protests are a ‘disgrace’ and all ‘Biden’s fault’https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4614906-trump-college-israel-palestine-protests-disgrace-bidens-fault/<“What’s going on at the college level and the colleges — Columbia, NYU and others — is a disgrace,” Trump said as he arrived at a Manhattan courthouse for his hush money trial. “And it’s really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. He’s got the wrong tone. He’s got the wrong words. He doesn’t know who he’s backing. And it’s a mess.”Trump declares here that Biden's zionism is a profound mistake. Trump is NOT a zionist.
Trump urges Israel to end its Gaza offensivehttps://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73bTrump is actively pushing for an end to the conflict.
No.1835176
>>1835174Yet before all this he too was wanting to support Israel Trump is a huge Opportunist its not even funny. Man is never constant with his politics.
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>>1835174>>1835176>And it’s really on Biden. He has the wrong signal. He’s got the wrong tone. He’s got the wrong words. He doesn’t know who he’s backing. And it’s a mess"Sounds like he wants to be even more zionist to me
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>>1835177Yeah, when trump claims everyone loves him it is true. Evryhthing he says is real policy not just the ramblings of a clown. The presideny is responsible for all laws despite having no imvolvement but the power to veto,
No.1835206
>>1835168>the mussolini sculpturedeep cut reference
No.1835258
TikTok discourses kind of distrubing tbh. Americans hate China so much. They don’t have any values or any kind. No principles. No right. Just a void filled with hatred and fear of the yellow peril.
No.1835266
>>1835258>They don’t have any values or any kind. No principles. No right.every day i check leftypol i stumble onto a whiny moralistic post. welp
No.1835272
>>1835174It could be that Trump thinks Biden isn’t going hard enough on the protestors. It is empty rhetoric.
No.1835297
>>1835295>house priceKind of a bullshit statistic considering property is judged on square footage and lot size.
>OMG THE HOUSE PRICE FOR THIS 10 ACRE PROPERTYStop looking for outrage graphics and start looking for investment opportunities.
No.1835308
>>1835272>>1835179Here is the full video. Isn't it funny how the mainstream media tries to frame Trump as a zionist?
All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox news—which has been transformed into an
arm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuit—is trying to frame Trump as a zionist.
Headlines cannot be trusted. I don't think Trump is a zionist.
The bourgeois media has twisted Trump's words in such mindbending way in primarily two ways:
1. When Trump says that Biden abandoned Israel, I think Trump is really saying that Biden's
genocidal approach is only making things worse for them. In a way, Biden really has abandoned
Israel to the conditions he helped create.
2. When Trump says verbatim that Biden tries and fails to play nice to the Arab world, Trump
does not mean that Biden is too nice. Trump clearly means the opposite, though the bourgeois
media frames it that way.
Making immediate peace seems to be Trump's priority.
Trump really is the anti-imperialist,
despite what the bourgeois media tricks you rotten imperialist democrats into believing.
>>1835272Trump's words against the protesters are just thin air. Trump doesn't want the anti-zionist protests to end. The bottom line is that Biden is more alienated from the masses if he cracks down on them. Trump is brilliant for recognizing this.
No.1835309
>>1835295>all that fucking worthless real estate in coastal floridalol
No.1835310
>>1835299>>1835297?? incomprehensible underage posts
No.1835317
>>1835266You’re so stupid. Leftoids crawl so far up their own ass they don’t even remember there are differences between good and bad things.
No.1835319
>>1835317This isn’t smart materialist analysis. It’s complete surrender to the national security state, fascism, racism and repression of the weak by the strong. Your life, your own freedom and the forces that shape your future are dictated by hatred of China now. And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.
No.1835320
>>1835308>All of the democrat media is doing this. Even Fox news—which has been transformed into anarm of the bourgeoisie ever since the dominion lawsuit
Are you an actual polconvert?
No.1835323
>>1835320Thank you for pointing out my error. I meant to say that Fox was transformed BACK into an arm of the bourgeoisie after the dominion lawsuit and Tucker was booted. Fox briefly WAS a revolutionary outlet, back when Trump was president.
No.1835348
It's very refreshing to see how many normies support or are at least sympathetic to the student protesters despite the overwhelming negative media narrative. I think Porky's overplaying his hand with these cracksdowns and there will be a lot more backlash than he's expecting.
No.1835350
>>1835295wealthier areas have higher real estate prices
No.1835368
The reaction to these anti-genocide protests seems even more bloodthirsty than the response to BLM in 2020. Fucking bleak shit.
I've yet to see what's actually so "authoritarian" about the encampments either. They're just….there.
No.1835369
>>1835308Pro-Trump lefties are fucking delusional.
No.1835377
>>1835368Yeah. These are elite universities not some random street protestors too.
Islamophobia plus boomer evangelical worship of Israel are big drivers of this stupid response. Smart choice was to ignore it and let it fade, but they just couldn't help themselves.
Thankfully it draws attention to the situation.
No.1835380
>>1835319>And you deceive yourself pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse.The American state has embraced Chinese racism before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_ActThere's even been Chines massacres before too:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacrehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hells_Canyon_MassacreThose massacres were actually recorded and many were not. Who know how many have actually been killed over the years without documentation.
No.1835386
>>1835319>pretending like this is the same as it has always been, or no different. No. It is far worse…for the USA
They no longer has the political or economic capacity to re-enact the draft. So their escalation to protect their hegemon status may as well be speeding towards a precipice, while cry-chugging the brake fluid.
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>>1835377The vicious repression of these protests is good honestly
It’s the inverse of what happened with BLM
With BLM you had night gang fucking shit up and people realizing “Oh shit, if we fight back….they retreat”
With what’s happening now, every repression over basically just students walking around campus and chanting not only triggers more protests in more campuses, but also professors walking out to, and the formation of barricades and protestors fighting cops by necessity
Maybe zionists, the psychotic retards that they are, are a boon to the class struggle, these slimy fucks couldn’t help themselves, they needed all Americans to kneel, they need each and every college president to bow, and now they’re literally compelling all non-Boomer Americans to despise Zionism and Israel and want the downfall of both
Imagine living to see the last major colonial project in the world collapse in your lifetime 😭
No.1835390
>>1835348It’s a few things
First off mainstream media is basically dying, even boomers are online now, people get their news online
Secondly, Americans despise being stopped from protesting our own government, we sure as fuck won’t stand to be repressed to uphold some smarmy, parasitic, genocidal foreign regime
No.1835391
>>1835258Why do you believe the TikTok discourse is at all organic? 1 in every 3 Americans has a TikTok account and regularly uses TikTok, the online posts celebrating the ban are mostly glowops
No.1835392
>>1835052It increasingly feels that way, with CPUSA anon
No.1835394
>>1834629Because good citizens have nothing to fear
If you aren’t a terrorist the state won’t hurt you
No.1835399
>>1835368Commies now have a once in a lifetime opportunity to make their voices heard and awaken some class conciousness.
No.1835401
>>1835389maybe so, it's just really hard for me to believe any of that when virtually everyone around me - family, friends, coworkers - is a frothing zionist-supporter.
No.1835402
>>1835389>“Oh shit, if we fight back…Until the election season is over, then it's back to brunch.
No.1835404
>>1835174>politicians are sincere, especially the one I preferKid, you're not gonna make it in the real world.
No.1835405
>>1835401Your immediate social circle is never an unbiased sample.
No.1835406
>>1835402This doesn’t even make sense, night gang weren’t pigskin liberals, you’re thinking of day gang
Faggot
>>1835401I don’t know a single Zionist outside of some retarded ex-coworker everyone hated
No.1835408
>>1834629I honestly think it might have more to do with how their algorithm is less shitty than other platforms and the “data collection” fear mongering is a smoke screen.
No.1835411
>>1835377>>1835389These protests need workers to join in, otherwise this is going to fizzle out if it's just students protesting.
>>1835402Not going to happen. Unlike last time, these people know that Demonrats are not to be trusted at all and won't stop after the election.
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>>1835410
Unfortunately the working class has slightly more important and immediate things to worry about than virtue signaling for some moral crusade half a world away. But none of these students have ever worked a day in their lives so it’s not surprising they don’t think spiraling inflation and crippling debt are issues
No.1835416
>>1835414Literally the most obvious glow article I’ve seen in a while jfc
No.1835417
>>1835368Possibly has something to do with those universities being closely tied to the defense industry.
No.1835419
>>1835414Left anti-communists really desperately trying to avoid using the term “socialist” so they have to make up shit
No.1835420
>>1835419The writers of that article aren’t left anti-communists, just liberals or glowops, and Russia isn’t socialist retard
No.1835421
>>1835420Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policy which in the waning days of imperialism is what matters most
>The writers of that article aren’t left anti-communists, just liberals or glowopsSame thing
No.1835422
>>1835414Well i am the prominent figure for Authoritarian Posadism. We are going to nuke the Imperial Core sending out missiles on ourselves in the US. That way we going to have a huge signal flare for the Space Comrades.
No.1835423
>>1835421Oh
You’re that retard
Neck yourself
No.1835427
>>1835413Why is it always TOR users doing shit like shilling for Russia, shilling for Trump, and doing back door defenses for genocidal zionism?
No.1835428
>>1835427Either /pol/ trolls trying to avoid a ban or just fuckheads
No.1835429
>>1835427Maybe because Marxist Leninists have been actively censored and banned so long that the only avenue to break up the liberal circlejerk is by using the tor node? Unsurprising the mods decided to further poisoning the well to imply anybody going around random 5 year unappealable bans for “spam” or often no stated reason at all are just le Russian spies. Just some food for thought
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>>1835421>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist Leninist in terms of geopolitics and foreign policyI don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"
No.1835431
>>1835429Maybe consider having opinions that are consistent with marxism?
No.1835432
>>1835430It means nothing.
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>>1835430The steadfast containment of and opposition to imperialism and Atlanticism
No.1835434
>>1835431>>1835430m8 this is clearly a disturbed person. That's why the only advice is "Don't try".
No.1835435
>>1835434I'm pretty sure it's actually Butthole Flag Guy
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Also implying that the “free” Palestine solution would actually solve anything rather than just dispersing the Zionists to other friendly countries to continue acting in the interests of the West is at best idealist drivel and actively anti-materialist. Nowhere do I see any of these protesters actually advocating to cut off the head of the snake, they just want to seem like they’re doing something so that Zionism can have a progressive face
No.1835439
>>1835430>I don't get it, what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"it's a gargantuan cope
No.1835440
>>1835421>Not in the strictest sense but Putin is at minimum a Marxist LeninistDelusional.
>>1835430>what is a "Marxist leninist in terms of geopolitics"clear signs of mental illness
No.1835441
>>1835436When the situation is desperate, you don't get to pick your friends.
No.1835442
>>1835429>Maybe because MLs are censored and bannedImagine having this much of a victim complex on a board that regularly bans people for dunking on stalinists lmao
No.1835445
>>1835436>Mfw nigha shills Russia and also zionismI see why you use TOR
No.1835446
>>1835443Oh, fucking bullshit. We all know he did it.
No.1835447
>>1835442You people are so utterly boring I can't even be bothered coming up with a joke
/pol/ pot meet kettle
No.1835448
>>1835447>boringWhat's boring is being a contrarian. Grow some actual principles and come back when you have sincere opinions and not just bad-faith "trigger the radlibs" shit
No.1835449
>>1835441Because first world university students are the poster children of “desperate”
>>1835445Amazing how calling for a long term solution to Zionism rather than simply a quick fix that lets the Zionists flee and reorganize is “Zionism”
No.1835451
>>1835449What long-term solution? If Israel is gone hypothetically what power do these people still have? Who gives a fuck if they run to America to cry, America will still be there and would fuck with the MENA with or without Israel you fuckin retard
No.1835453
>>1835443Finally they released /ourguy/ weinstein, he didnt do anything wrong but make feminists mad by being a netorare doujin ugly bastard and raping actresses. Woke btfo
No.1835454
Come back lol
No.1835462
>>1835449this isn't about the students, this is about getting every body on every front line possible. This is a huge opportunity for a consensus crack in the intellectual nerve centers of the imperial core. That weakens Israel's soft power further.
Don't be dense just so you can get off on being contrarian.
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>>1835058>>1835050What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated? The only good one I had growing up was a carpenter turned math teacher who switched career to have the same schedule as his wife.
>>1835450>social progress is when a rich black man can get away with what a rich white man doesIt's not wrong, but it's also not something to cheer for. I read an interesting article in my alumni newspaper from some black gen x guy who was in school at the time and he was literally cheering for this. It rubbed me wrong.
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Trump downplays deadly Charlottesville rally as a ‘peanut’ compared to Israel-Gaza protestshttps://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/politics/donald-trump-charlottesville-palestine-protests/index.htmlDonald Trump on Wednesday night downplayed the 2017 white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which led to a woman’s death, as a “peanut” compared to the demonstrations happening across the US against Israel’s actions in Gaza.
In August 2017, White nationalists, neo-Nazis and other right-wing groups descended on Charlottesville to protest the city’s decision to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, with some gathered chanting, “Jews will not replace us.” One of the attendees rammed his car into a crowd, killing a 32-yeard-old paralegal and injuring several others.
There have been no reports of any comparable violence occurring during the pro-Palestinian demonstrations taking place across the country, which have centered largely on college campuses. Public officials have condemned incidents of antisemitism that have occurred amid the protests and raised concerns over the safety of Jewish students.
Trump’s comments are his latest attempt to minimize the Charlottesville incident. He was widely condemned in 2017 for declaring there were “very fine people” on both sides of the demonstrations. Joe Biden invoked those comments when he announced his 2020 president campaign against Trump.
“Crooked Joe Biden would say, constantly, that he ran because of Charlottesville. Well, if that’s the case, he’s done a really terrible job because Charlottesville is like a ‘peanut’ compared to the riots and anti-Israel protests that are happening all over our Country, RIGHT NOW,” Trump posted on Truth Social Wednesday night. Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more. When asked about Trump’s post, Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told CNN, “President Trump is 100% correct.”
Biden campaign spokesperson Ammar Moussa said in a statement that “the American people are not going to be lectured to by the guy who called white supremacists very fine people after they chanted ‘Jews will not replace us’ and killed a woman.” Biden on Monday decried antisemitic incidents that have occurred amid protests around college campuses and said his administration was working to combat anti-Jewish hatred. “I condemn the antisemitic protests, that’s why I’ve set up a program to deal with that,” Biden said when questioned about the events at Columbia University in New York. “I also condemn those who don’t understand what’s going on with the Palestinians.”
Pro-Palestinian protests have taken place at major universities across the US with nearly 100 people arrested at the University of Southern California and dozens arrested at the University of Texas in Austin on Wednesday. Protesters at Columbia University, the epicenter of demonstrations that began last week, said they won’t disperse until the school agrees to cut ties with Israeli universities and commits to divesting funds from Israel-linked entities, among other demands.
Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson visited the campus on Wednesday to call for Columbia University President Minouche Shafik to resign if she cannot bring order to the campus. His calls were amid the growing unrest on these college campuses, leading to numerous congressional hearings and, at least in part, to the resignation of two Ivy League presidents – Claudine Gay at Harvard University and Liz Magill at the University of Pennsylvania.
No.1835476
>>1835470>been-there dadswhat did he mean by this
No.1835481
>>1835476#metoo survivors?
No.1835488
>>1835472>Trump also accused Biden in the post of hating Israel and the Jewish people, but hating the Palestinian people even more.Trump is anti-zionist.
No.1835491
>>1835486I mean… he's explicitly making a favorable comparison to a bunch of neo-nazis who were themselves openly calling for a genocide within the US, against Jews, in order to smear anti-zionist protestors as antisemites. And he's the former, likely next POTUS. And regardless of whether he wins or loses, he is the current leader of the GOP. As much of a clown as he is, what he says does matter. We know he's emboldened far right gropus, like in the case of the event he is talking about there (Unite the Right).
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>>1835495
>>What the fuck is wrong with teachers? Is it the low salaries and bullshit politicking leaves only the most ideologically motivated?
Yes. That's why you tend to get leftist teachers, it's the thing of wanting to actually improve society somewhat plus the fact that nobody else really wants to do it unless it can be unavoided, leaving as you say the 'ideologically motivated ones'.
Not a bad thing entirely although I would like to see them paid more but you tend to see in response over the last decades that schooling has got much strickter in what is able to be teached and teachers can less and less add their own lessions or teaching style or etc outside of the national curriculums, not that it is pointless to go in to teaching but it is a lot harder than it was as a leftist in that regard.
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>>1835491The only time Charlottesville is ever brought anymore up is to smear trump, not like I care about the guy (he will most certainly not win the election) but it's clear as day that's what's happening. And it is a small peanut compared to gaza. 1 fat chick getting run over by another fat dude who is in prison for the rest of his life now… why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.
No.1835519
>>1835472can't this faggot just die already
No.1835520
>>1835486What, did you want me to give you another affirmation that a lot of people are being killed or starved? It's not like you and everyone else here didn't already know that.
No.1835534
>>1835520>What, did you want me to give you another affirmationI commented on the link you posted, did you write the article? If not I don't care what you do.
No.1835538
>>1835472I really really want every bougeois person to be put in gulags. Is that too much to ask
No.1835549
>>1835506>leftist teachersGo back to /pol/. I have met a handful of leftist teachers and most of them changed career. What's left are mostly "muh bootstraps" libs telling soon to be prole kids if you read enough of porky's books and shine his shoes you can be the next Jeff Bezos. Not to mention they hypocritically contribute to the student debts crisis by telling everyone they have to go to college because it inflates their high school's prestige (lol).
No.1835552
More Perfect Union Poll:
Among 500 Alabama Residents as a whole, 52/21, residents APPROVE of Mercedes Autoworkers unionizing in Tuscaloosa.
The approval rating of the UAW itself as a union:
Alabama Democrats: 58/15 APPROVE
Alabama Republicans : 35/32 APPROVE
Racial breakdown of the Tuscaloosa Mercedes Union Vote:
White in general: 49/27 APPROVE
White men: 42/35 APPROVE
White women: 45/19 APPROVE
Black men: 82% APPROVE
Black women: 66/8 APPROVE
CPUSAnon….
I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boys
No.1835564
>>1835552>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boysthey got them there liberal genes
No.1835566
Northwestern University. Media morons and political dimwits think ordering students around and telling them they can't do something will make them stop doing it. I don't think leftypol needs to be reminded that the opposite is what is going to happen.
Article from Berkeley:
>The sound of buzzing surveillance drones over Gaza played from a loudspeaker on the steps of UC Berkeley’s Sproul Hall, on the very spot where Mario Salvo rallied for free speech in the 1960s. A student encampment of about 40 tents at the campus on Tuesday, up from 12 the night before, spanned the landing and sprawled onto the grass.
>Many of the students here have a sense that something is wrong, but they don’t know all the history,” said Ussama Makdisi, a UC Berkeley professor of history with a specialty in the Middle East and a chancellor’s chair, which is a high rank given to professors who have demonstrated unusual academic merit. “Things have changed. The students are much more serious that something is wrong. And they’re much more eager to know about the details of the history,” he said, highlighting the diversity in his class of 91 students and those at the encampment. “There’s an incredible, incredible thirst for knowledge about Palestinian history. And now here we see Muslim and Jewish students, Christian students, Hindu students, it’s an incredible array of students.”
>In a week that saw the intensification of protests over the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza on college campuses across the country, including arrests at New York University, Yale University and Columbia University, the scene in Berkeley was contemplative. So far, there have been no police clearing the area and no arrests. […] “What these students are doing is that they are actually taking seriously all of the discourse of the university,” Makdisi said, referring to UC Berkeley’s brand as a legacy defender of civil rights. “They are reckoning with a past of slavery and injustice and genocide. And they’re taking those lessons, they are taking the discourse of the university literally.”https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/uc-berkeley-protest-against-war-in-gaza-peaceful-and-growing/ No.1835570
>>1835566did poltards and their irl and reddit variants ever get this treatment?
No.1835594
>>1835570Only on January 6th
No.1835602
>>1835414"Authoritarianism" is a useful term because it doesn't actually mean anything. It's not like the Western powers don't operate on any kind of authority, the "authoritarianism" accusation is just implying that you're using the wrong kind of authority.
No.1835603
>>1835552>what is going on with the white boysrelative surplus value is a bitch is what
No.1835606
>>1835552>82% of black men and 66% of black women approve of unionization>only 42% of white men and 45% of white women approvekill all white people now
no more pandering to white people
white people are genetically incapable of stopping themselves from licking the boots of capitalists
No.1835608
>>1835552Blacks have been the most likely to be unionized for at least a decade
No.1835609
>>1835606It's probably because the crackers get the PMC jobs. The PMC class is petite-bourgeois
No.1835613
>>1835510>why should I care about some dumb burgershit that happened 7 years ago.Because Alex Jones and culture war lore, man. That's what informs policy, obviously. Haven't you watched the news? Dude, we won! Right? right?
No.1835614
>>1835606To be fair they only disapprove by 30%. SJWs got a good point they over emphasize.
No.1835615
>>1835574>leftism is when you support the progressive side of idpol of the week and nothing elseAll anarkiddies need an icepick lobotomy. I swear to Marx, every single time I see an black flag on this board it's always above some right-deviation drivel conflating liberals and leftists. They are all reactionaries who should go back to toungeing Ayn Rand's dusty cooch over her thinly veiled great-man theory fetish material schlick-bait.
No.1835617
>>1835612Not that this will happen in north america, but I can definitely envision deep sea mining provoking wars in the future
No.1835618
>>1835408Most certainly 100%. None of our politicians can shut up about how their algorithm promotes anti-zionist messaging more. Also a "national security threat" that they're willing to leave alone for a whole year just to watch how the chips fall, doesn't sound like much of a security threat to begin with
No.1835634
>>1835629There's 1 more bomb being dropped in the republican pic so clearly democrats are better.
No.1835667
Is it tue the famous anti -Union atmosphere in South of the Burg auto-plants got BTFO by diversity?
No.1835671
>>1835602It's not that it is the wrong type but that liberal authority hides behind hides behind a few layers of pretend political freedom and pretend economic freedom.
Western citizens get to vote for different parties that have the same fundamental policies. "Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake voting.
Western citizens get to choose between different oligarchs to work for but they all have the same fundamental relations to workers. "Authoritarian" governments will assign their citizens to a job directly.
"Authoritarian" governments just skip the fake choices liberals hide behind.
No.1835677
Of all the people running in 2020, why was Biden chosen by porky to be the Democrat candidate?
No.1835678
>>1835634Subtle point
>>1835671>jobYou're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. That is the plot Stalinists have lost.
No.1835684
>>1835612Ever since the Monroe Doctrine of 1823, United States has claimed the entirety of the Americas so the mainland coast go without saying. I'm interested in how Russia wants to deal with it in the future but probably they'll just give most of it up .
No.1835686
>>1835624Evil asshole
vs
More Annoying Evil asshole
No.1835688
>>1835678>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. Until we get star trek replicators there will be jobs, Anarkiddie
No.1835690
>>1835630>Trump is loved by the masses>Biden is president and no one gives a shit that he's there or even greets himWhat the hell do the masses believe in anyways? There's a lot of Muslim fundamentalists out there too, I believe. If you found that peace and freedom wasn't polling very well, would you think that our most inspiring leaders must lead on the basis of unfreedom and war? Did Martin Luther King speak for a majority?
Here's another measure of popularity: If we're going by sheer book sales, Obama blows them all out of the park. There's an antitrust trial going on right now involving Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster and the DOJ had to remove the Obamas from their analysis of book sales because they sell so many it skews the data. And unlike Stephen King, Obama commanded a world-annihilating nuclear arsenal and a sprawling system of internment facilities, which makes his celebrity mass love-ins all the more bizarre.
The same thing applied to Taylor Swift or, say, Angelina Jolie seems relatively harmless in comparison. But when a president demands it, then I'm tuning out. I can maybe thank Obama for that – through the inflation of his ego to grotesque proportions, he converted millions of idealistic young people into disaffected, disappointed, detached cynics: in other words, into actual human beings living in something like the real world.
No.1835692
>>1835686It's not that simple. Mao preferred dealing with the west's reactionary liberals over their more advanced counterparts for a reason
No.1835693
>>1835677Most accommodating asshole. Can take an entire arm while providing full articulation to the arms and head.
>>1835688https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) makes the work fetishist cry
No.1835699
>>1835693>>1835694Factory automation, 3d printing and other new technologies once fully introduced will heavily reduce job hours but until the entire production process is completely automated there will still be jobs.
No.1835703
whats with the comments here saying Trump is anti Zionist?
Hes not.
Also the right is pro Zionist. At least every Christian rightist is
No.1835704
>>1835549This is true. School teachers and guidance counselors are paid by how much they shill college
No.1835709
>>1835678>You're supposed to be abolishing capitalist relations, not extending them. Perhaps you should read up on Stalin's time in power rather than spew shit you know nothing about.
>That is the plot Stalinists have lost.Who are these Stalinists? I guarantee you they are not who you think they are. Stalinism was never actually a thing.
No.1835717
>>1835704There's no monetary reward. They push college because having a structured advanced education beyond high-school is good and they also think college will get their students better jobs. Obviously this ignores the huge debt and that the job market is fucked.
No.1835720
>>1835703it's just image board contrarianism. Some midwit trying to hunt for a hot take to make him seem more interesting than he is.
No.1835723
>>1835694Mine's bigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjIoGPZPNjU>>1835709>t.the real movement for changing the names of things No.1835730
>>1835729ever notice he kinda looks like the woman from Onibaba after the girl gets the mask off
No.1835740
>>1835709>Stalinism was never actually a thing.The materialist take is of course that Stalin was actually a medium possessed by the geists of Marx and Lenin, and the World Spirit too.
No.1835751
>>1835741https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/s/t.htm#stalinismIn contemporary parlance, the word “Stalinism” has come to embody a range of ideologies, specific political positions, forms of societal organization, and political tendencies. That makes getting at the core definition of “Stalinism” difficult, but not impossible.
First and foremost, Stalinism must be understood as the politics of a political stratum. Specifically, Stalinism is the politics of the bureaucracy that hovers over a workers' state. Its first manifestation was in the Soviet Union, where Stalinism arose when sections of the bureaucracy began to express their own interests against those of the working class, which had created the workers' state through revolution to serve its class interests.
From a social point of view, then, Stalinism is the expression of these pressures of imperialism within the workers' state. The politics of Stalinism flow from these pressures.
The political tenets of Stalinism revolve around the theory of socialism in one country–developed by Stalin to counter the Bolshevik theory that the survival of the Russian Revolution depended on proletarian revolutions in Europe. In contradistinction, the Stalinist theory stipulates that a socialist society can be achieved within a single country.
In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism, Stalin had explicitly rejected the idea that socialism could be constructed in one country. He wrote: “Is it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.”
In August 1924, as Stalin was consolidating his power in the Soviet Union, a second edition of the same book was published. The text just quoted had been replaced with, in part, the following: “Having consolidated its power, and taking the lead of the peasantry, the proletariat of the victorious country can and must build a socialist society.” And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history, stating: “The party always took as its starting point the idea that the victory of socialism … can be accomplished with the forces of a single country.”
The “two-stage theory” has also propelled the Stalinists into “popular fronts” with so-called“progressive”elements of the bourgeois class to “advance” the first revolutionary stage. Examples include Stalinist support (through the Communist Party, USA) to President Roosevelt 1930s. And, taking this orientation to its logical conclusion, the Communist Party in the United States consistently supports Democratic Party candidates for office, including the presidency.
No.1835756
>a few strikes occur in my city in the 20s and 30s
>crushed by the bourg, kkk and law enforcement
>a few school walkouts and tiny marches in the 60s-70s
>2020 quickly fizzles even with the deployment of national guard
>palestine protests are even smaller
>biggest university of note is relatively far from downtown and primarily a commuter school
I can't help but feel a bit jealous of other places in burgerstan being a bit more "real" in the sense that suburbanization has dispersed people there less and allows them to organize shit. Here we have to deal with the usual problems of the NGOs, city/county/state governments, bourg propaganda and reactoids in conjunction with the fact that you have to drive to get anywhere here.
No.1835770
>>1835729>Bill BarrInteresting… He was the AG under whose watch a certain JE supposedly committed suicide while detained in a federal facility. And Bill's father, back in the '70s, was instrumental in launching JE's career when he was still a very young man. The Donald, the Barrs father and son, JE… It's all a NYC story, really. And now we are watching this quite pathetic show where BB endorses the Don for president, despite the Don having blatantly insulted him in the past and basically confirming all of it except for the word "lethargic" even after the endorsement. Don't you too have the impression these goons are launching signals to each other about some kind of blackmail going on behind the scenes?
That said, the Don is quite a showman. He belongs to a gulag, but he will be in charge of entertainment for the other inmates there, no doubt!
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>>1835751The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.
>>1835709"Marxism" wasn't a thing until after Marx died either, but I'll give the son-in-law and his buddy half credit for trying.
>>1835770_Donald Trump Changes Profession_ x _The Producers_ x _Half-Baked_ when?
No.1835803
>>1835751>He wrote: “Is it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. The efforts of one country are enough for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie. This is what the history of our revolution tells us. For the final victory of socialism, for the organization of socialist production, the efforts of one country, especially a peasant country like ours, are not enough. For this we must have the efforts of the proletariat of several advanced countries. Such, on the whole, are the characteristic features of the Leninist theory of the proletarian revolution.”So the ccp IS revisionist.
No.1835809
>>1835799>The reproductive interests of a bureaucracy can be brutal, and its demands absolutely boundless.All bureaucracies are to a certain degree utopian, in the sense that they propose an abstract ideal that real human beings can never live up to.
After all, is this not what we always say of utopians: that they have a naïve faith in the perfectibility of human nature and refuse to deal with humans as they actually are? Which is, are we not also told, what leads them to set impossible standards and then blame the individuals for not living up to them? But in fact all bureaucracies do this, insofar as they set demands they insist are reasonable, and then, on discovering that they are not reasonable (since a significant number of people will always be unable to perform as expected), conclude that the problem is not with the demands themselves but with the individual inadequacy of each particular human being who fails to live up to them.
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>>1835751>>1835803>>1835741To be fair, I think Socialism in one country has shown itself to be capable of managing a country for several decades whereas most Socialists can’t even agree on how “internationalism” practically manifests itself.
In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how “pure” Socialism as advocated by people who’d call themselves “anti-Stalinists” isn’t even in the interests of the workers themselves. Like that’s what makes the critique so silly. Any pretense that the interests of the bureaucrats aren’t aligned with that of the workers is undermined by the fact the workers
aren’t ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are.
No.1835830
>>1835817Fucking Christ are you serious man fuck cops bro this is insane so now they are going to snipe anyone who gets close.
No.1835833
Real quick, a bunch of SA trots are doing a takeover in my union. Should I vote for them?
No.1835834
>>1835830dog, having snipers at events has been standard for decades now
No.1835836
>>1835831The funny thing is they can and they will
No.1835838
>>1835834Fucking stupid if you ask me, ah yest we going to post snipers to "neutralize" the threat and not have the people hate you more by just offing people during protests. My point still Stands Fuck cops.
No.1835840
>>1835834>dogI'm not your dog, cat.
No.1835864
>>1835817This is why rooftop access is so hard
No.1835865
>>1835834In France they do this too
No.1835866
>>1835729>gutlessI doubt that. His gut is pretty huge
No.1835877
>>1835823> by the fact the workers aren’t ideological socialists in the same sense as anti Stalin leftists are."Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits.
It would not be also hard to assume that the latter is not the norm. As a class, the proletariat would chose for their own benefits, independent of their ideals. For example, any form of sectarism in trade unions or workers organizations in capitalist society, is just silly. The "social democrat" trade union will want better wages, restrictions to unsafe working conditions, more worker rights in general, etc.The same as any other left wing trade union, and even apolitical or right wing trade unions. Their main goal is still the same, but the methods and appearance differ. If the worker is given more "bureaucratic power" or a bigger share in the decision making of the socialist state, even if the voice of the worker is not socialist, as long as it doesn't undermine or pose a threat to the Union, then at least is a concession. And concessions and reforms have an appeal to make the masses more satisfied(Not that the Soviet Union under stalin was a bureaucratic dictatorship that undermine all workers voice, on the contrary). If there is such a thing as a conflict between the interests of the vanguard and the interests of certain group of workers, both parties can be reasonable in their demands and come into an agreement.
>In addition, the comments that Stalinism represents some dominance of the Bureaucracy over the workers is bit bizarre given how “pure” Socialism as advocated by people who’d call themselves “anti-Stalinists” isn’t even in the interests of the workers themselves.Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands.
From what i understand of Lenin, in the few pieces i read, the Soviet Union would undergo a period of the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, guided by the vanguard party, not only to secure their survival and expand the means of production, undergo industrialization and autarky, but to ensure that the state would be in a constant stage of change and reform, where the divisions between "Vanguard" and "Worker" would decrease so much that there would be no need of a vanguard anymore, and the state would "wither away", reaching the "latter stage" of communism.
I am not a historian to really know or understand the history of the laws and methods of voting under the soviet union, so i am probably typing gibberish, but from what i heard in other threads, even the old Russian citizens anons know, most, if not all of them, could not explain what this "communism" was all about. Maybe as a result of Khrushchov more then Stalin or anyone else, but still. Of course , if given the opportunity, the vanguard can and probably should hold the monopoly of power to ensure the survival of the soviet state. That doesn't mean that is "impossible" to hold a "controlled opposition" (China probably the best example of this) to give some concessions and a sense of control and independence.
Post too long, i don't know what i meant by any of that
No.1835885
>>1835751>In April 1924, in the first edition of his book Foundations of Leninism<“Is it possible to attain the final victory of socialism in one country, without the combined efforts of the proletarians of several advanced countries? No, it is not. FINAL. As in the entire world is socialist. Obviously not one country can achieve this by itself.
>And by November 1926, Stalin had completely revised history<the victory of socialism … can be accomplished with the forces of a single countryHe didn't "revise history" at all. Notice how there is no "final" in front of the phrase "victory of socialism" in his 1926 statement?
In the first statement he is saying not one socialist country can achieve world socialism. In the second he is saying a single country can become socialist. That isn't contradictory.
Trots, why do you keep doing this type of misrepresentation of Stalin? It feels slimy. Trotsky lost almost 100 years ago. Let it go.
No.1835890
>>1835877 (me)
The main task of a "vanguard ML party" after the establishment of a dictatorship of the proletariat could be, not only destroy the bourgeoisie and pety-bourgeoisie elements of society and ensure the survival of the dictatorship of the working class, but guide and teach the working class how become self reliant, create class consciousness and permit more and more direct participation in the decisions of the state.
Of course, is also possible that the vanguard did not achieve many of those points because there was no way they could accomplish those objectives. It is just concerning to me that any leader or politician that i know from the soviet union imagined or thought they were certainly close to achieving communism, or that the state would "wither away" any time soon. I don't know if the thought of communism being achieved in their lifetimes was mentioned, or that in a certain year the first stages of communism would be established.
I will go and have an even more ""RadLib"" opoinione. Even though the vanguard party system of the Soviet Union worked and will keep working in the future, that doesn't exclude the possibility of the vanguard being less the "center of power" for other future worker states. Of course we should fully support the Soviet Union, and most of the "critiques" made accusing the Soviet State of being a dictatorship of the bureaucratic class are mostly bullshit, that doesn't mean that the "soviet model" is the "best one", or the "only one". Does this smell like revisinionism?
No.1835892
if dubs then joe brandon or doydeld teyetsemer will bring back the draft to fight in israel to maintain the dying burger reich
No.1835893
>>1835885If a single country can achieve socialism, can a single country achieve communism? Not a trotsky, never read him, like i never read anything.
No.1835900
>>1835729I loathe the fact that he's absolutely hilarious
No.1835906
>>1835893>can a single country achieve communism?Theoretically if a country has all the resources necessary to be self sufficient it could, but it would be temporary. Capitalist countries could directly invade or sabotage them and there could be no real response because there is no state in communism. If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.
No.1835909
>>1835906> If there is no state then there would be no real military organization or internal defense.Nah, that is were we disagree, although i respect and understand your opinione. To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons. If Porkie thinks that the workers of this communist state are weak and vulnerable and disorganized, only another part of the "jungle" of uncivilized nations, then they should have another thing coming their way.
Every soldier is a farmer
Comes the evening, he grabs his hoe
Comes the morning, he swings his rifle on his shoulder
That's the army of Uncle Ho
No.1835910
>>1835472>Steven CheungImagine being AsAm and being a diehard for either party.
Both parties will throw you in a camp.
No.1835922
>>1835909>To avoid this contradiction, under communism everyone would have military training and modern weapons.Giving everyone basic military training is good and I agree that making a socialist military as flat as possible is good in itself. But the complex nature of modern weaponry would still need many specialists. Could you train everyone to be fighter pilots, transport drivers, tank drivers, bombers artillerymen, shock-troops, special forces, sailors submariners, missile operators, etc? How do you coordinate all those forces without a state?
Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?
No.1835923
>>1835909>>1835906 (me)
It would be, of course, too much to try and convince people that the state should not exist. It would be almost impossible to convince the proletariat of such an idea, specially since history shows us the state is not going anywhere any time soon, much on the contrary.
Still, in the eyes of the worker, who doesn't know any better, he may believe in reactionary propaganda and think that the "dictatorship of the proletariat" doesn't have his best interests in mind. To attract those workers, reformism and political manipulation could be necessary to avoid thoughts of any real change, and specially any real reactionary change, to a future worker state. If is basically impossible to change the bases, the material conditions of economic relations, if there is still the need of the state as the monopoly of violence, the holder of bureaucratic decisions, the responsible to colect and distribute the surplus value of the working class to allocate towards anything that is necessary for the survival of the state, then, at least, there can be hopes of the worker to change the superstructure. If there is no way he can decide or controll the bases, his focus can be guided to changing the superstructure (Everything not related to production)
>>1835922>Most importantly, who is in charge of the Nukes?I don't have a clue man
No.1835927
>>1835922I leave the logistics of how the world would be without a state to the scientists, not people like me. Still, experiments and education should be made to make us closer to communism and make the line between "bureaucrats" and "workers" more obsolete in a constant state of evolution, in simpler terms
No.1835930
>>1835922The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is. One thing to consider is that the specialist branches of modern capitalist militaries are built on the foundation of a huge military industrial complex. This is something that socialism, let alone communism, is not that likely to have. It's also worth noting that the problems a socialist military has to solve are often different, since they are not engaging in imperialism or neocolonialism, and the main purpose is resistance against siege warfare by capitalist powers. It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"
No.1835932
>>1835930>The details for this have to be worked out through practice. We can hypothesize and prepare, but the realities about what logistical measures work best are going to filter what the actual solution is. > It's a mistake to begin from the question of "how do we replicate what capitalist militaries do?" rather than "how do we organize to solve the problems relevant to the defense of socialism?"Agreed
No.1835940
>>1835877>"Workers" as a group are not entitled to a certain ideology, but it would not be hard to assume that most of them are apolitical, and the ones who aren't are easily manipulated by reactionary propaganda to go against their own benefits. When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of? Because I think this is a really important disconnect in a lot of modern Leftist discourse: workers as actual people versus workers as a symbol, or totem, or an abstract category that aligns perfectly with one's own ideology. Like if you were to present the idea of "Socialism in One Country" by an advocate of it to a worker, and the idea of, iunno, Trotsky's "Permanent Revolution" by a Trotskyist to him, I think the worker would side with Socialism in One Country. Like the Soviet workers were human just like me, I don't think they were going to bed each night thinking "Man! I can't wait to save American workers from Capitalism!"
There was a post I saw on here ages ago, that I reference as an example of naive internationalism all the time. Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?" Which is just fucking absurd to me. Beyond the low chance of them beating America's own military, the population itself would rise against them. It's human to not want a foreigner shooting at your apparent countrymen and reordering your government for you. As cheesy as it is; in any scenario where the Soviets invaded America without plunging the world into nuclear holocaust, they'd face a huge partisan campaign against them from the common people. It's not like they'd turn off all the nationalist propaganda and suddenly American workers will greet them as liberators. You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.
I believe most Soviets likely had a view on politics similar to most Americans. Every now and again my buddies, even my right wing ones, would say they'd love to chat with figures like Putin or Xi just to learn how they see the world. Either that, or some vague "I wish we could be friends with Russia/China" stuff. I don't think the average worker was chomping at the bit to "liberate" foreign countries or stick their nose where they didn't belong. Assist existing resistance movements, sure, but not start a revolution whole cloth.
>Not too much related to Stalinism, but my biggest problem with them and the Soviet Union itself is that, as it seems, and correct me if i am wrong, there was no major educational effort to teach the workers how to manage the State in the future or to understand the major concepts of socialism and its strands. I think that's a perfectly valid criticism of the USSR. I'd also say that part of the robustness of Capitalist Republics was that workers could have at least the illusion of being brought into the political system, if not being brought into it in fact. I discussed this here:
>>1835008Sadly the greentext botspam kind of smothered it. But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian
Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"
That aside I'd also say Marxism-Leninism does have an issue with trending towards excessive dogmatism.
No.1835941
Will the TikTok ban mean anything for other countries? I heard it extends to companies like Google and Apple (since they're American), so will they pull it off their app stores internationally or only in the US?
No.1835945
So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests? Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracy and Biden and the dems are full of shit for saying they are protecting this country from fascism.
No.1835952
>>1835940>When you say they can be made to go against their own benefits, who is the "they" you speak of? The people of the nation state of said workers. Workers of a nation can have lots in common between one another then workers of another nation. Of course, the most close the discourse can get to workers reality and understanding of the world the better. So i can't really criticize the "socialist in one country" line of thought. But also, in broader terms, the workers of the world, creators of capital, that have the value of their work taken by the bourgeoisie, holders of the means of production.
In the part of "going against their own benefits", basically material benefits, material power. They can voluntarily give up their power if convinced to do so, if they believe is a small temporarily setback, or if they see this as an investment in the hypothetical future.
>You only need to look at what happened to the Soviet Bloc to see how resilient a kind of "national sentiment" can be.>But people shouldn't underestimate the feeling of attachment that can be fostered by Republican forms of government. It's what makes comparing Bolshevik attitudes to the Russian Empire vis-a-vis the modern American Republic silly. You can say "Down with the King" and even with all the propaganda you've been raised with, you're essentially just targeting a man and turning him into a scapegoat for all your issues. In a Republican government saying "Down with the Nation" gives off the same energy as the League of German Jews huffing "Down with us!"That is an example when nationalism can be problematic, even in socialist society. It can quickly devolve into reactionary thought, an facade to instigate reactionary thoughts and CIA opperations.
I could not say if i would agree with "accelerationists", that the contradictions shall become so big that the hypocrisy of the system will be clearer then day, to the point it becomes undeniable the imperialist character of the US and Europe, and that it is not Russia or China that are the ""enemies"" of the US people. So, if rn the worker is still a firm believer in capitalism and liberalism, if he still believes that he doesn't live in a cop dictatorship, if he still believes that things will change if this or that candidate becomes elected, what we can do is organize, create class consciousness, etc. Unfortunally, there is little more i can think of, if the "base", the material conditions, can't be radically changed, then doing what is being done in the US, going to the Free palestine protests in the universitys, occupy wall streets, might be the most realistical and straightforward method of resistance. The ideals of the present might turn into past, at least that is what i hope. I should read and try to write more, but mom is calling me to sleep, goodby guys
No.1835960
>>1835552>CPUSAnon….>I joke but seriously what is going on with the white boysWanted to devote a separate post to this just 'cause it's an interesting point to discuss. So personally I'd say that, especially among older generations, there was a
heavy propaganda against labor unions directed predominantly towards White people, including White workers. I can only speak to my own experiences but I imagine maybe some other White people have experienced the same.
So often enough I'll get people asking about working at Trader Joe's, and I try to be as upfront as I can (while still trying to keep my job). You know they'll say "Everyone always seems so happy here!" or "They must treat you pretty well!" And, as far as grocery stores go, they do. I usually explain our management is really nice (most of the time), the pay is good (comparatively), and the benefits are really good too (free gym membership, health insurance, matching money that goes towards your retirement, chiropractic and acupuncture, etc). And while most of the time you'll hear folks say "Wow! That sounds great!" Every now and again, usually among older white folks, they'll do the following:
>"And you aren't in a Union, right?"<"Nope.">"That's so good, glad to hear it."Of course the reality is that Trader Joe's treats us well in hopes that we don't form labor unions, so we likely wouldn't get paid as much if there weren't grocery store unions advocating for higher wages and better working conditions in
other grocery stores. Regardless, among older White people, you've got this idea of "Unions as a waste of money."
Now why is that? I think the culture around Unionization has gone through at least three different epochs. In the earliest one, you had Unions as a threat to civilization or the social order (from which we get some fun propaganda like socialists being portrayed as homeless skeletons). Then under FDR you saw the rise of business unionism or maybe something that can be described as more of an American corporatism
>"Hey! Bosses and workers interests are aligned! And sure your boss makes more, but you can get some great benefits, too! And if you want you can work hard and make it to management!" It was this idea of labor and management existing in a symbiotic relationship. If you read any Fascist literature this should sound familiar. No doubt we took extensive notes when we defeated and "rehabilitated" our Fascist enemies.
What we're living in right now is the tail end of the "neoliberal" era of anti-union propaganda. If you've never seen the movie Wall Street (1987) you've likely still heard its iconic line: "Greed is good!"
To get into specifics, the neoliberals with the help of ghouls like the Reagan administration and the business community, went on a propaganda spree blaming the various economic woes the country suffered on labor unions in particular. There was this image that Unions were creating "inefficiency" that was keeping people from doing productive work. I sometimes hear variations of this from folks who've worked on movie sets; "The lights are handled by the industrial lighting union, I'm a boom mic operator, so if I just plug a cord into a socket I could get fined!" You had this image of Unions enabling the laziest, most unproductive employees to sit around all day doing nothing, while the "good" and "hardworking" employees are faced with increasingly demanding workloads they can't manage on their own. Not helping things were some pretty bad corruption scandals; funds would be misappropriated by corrupt union leadership, and you've got this image of the local union boss being some fast talking huckster who wants you to pay your dues just so he can buy himself another sports car.
I know some people will respond to the claim that Unions were enabling "lazy" workers with "who cares?" But I know I'm not alone in saying that when you've got a coworker who seems too lazy to do
anything it can really piss off the rest of the employees. It's not even a race thing. I've worked with quite a few Hispanic women who huffed and yelled at people they felt weren't doing anything. Just the other day one of my coworkers, a black woman, was complaining about another; that she's busting her ass and she doesn't see *that* girl ever work 'till she sweats. In my case we had a coworker ages ago who'd take long breaks on the clock, and if you asked her to do *anything* she'd roll her eyes and do a half-assed job. I was managing the register during a particularly busy day, we were shorthanded, and some clutz broke a bottle of wine. I call for help, and one of our lazy coworkers comes up. I ask her if she can take care of the spill. She strolls off then comes back a few minutes later to drop a couple of sheets of paper towel on this huge puddle of wine. There were still shards of glass people could get cut on, and she went right back to arranging flowers. I call for help again, and she answers again, and I ask her to *please* clean up the glass and the puddle. She goes back in a huff, gets a broom, sweeps up the biggest pieces of glass, and leaves a puddle there.
Look, when I go into work I just want a normal day. I'm not asking people to give 110%, fuck that, but the last thing I want to deal with is the headache of some dumbass slipping over wine onto a bunch of glass, then having to talk to the cops and explain why we didn't have so much as wet floor sign in our store. A shitty coworker makes things worse for everyone involved.
So all this anti-union agitation found fertile ground among White boomers in particular. You're raised with this idea of "thrift" or "hard work" as a virtue. You see someone who's just lazing about but can't be fired because of union protections. All the while you're waiting an hour for the right union guy to come around and do a simple task so you can actually do your job. Finally, some fast-talking dick with slicked-back hair is trying to pressure you into signing a shitty contract and paying $300 in union dues, and you're half-sure he's on cocaine. He sure as fuck isn't advocating for your interests, though.
One example I experienced recently was shopping in Vons, which actually has a Union contract. We're opening up a new Trader Joe's not far from where that Vons is, and a bunch of the employees I know there were talking about how excited they were to finally have a nearby TJs. I off-handedly mention: hey, if you all ever want to work there I mean we'd be happy to poach talent (in my defense I get pestered by employees from other grocery stores begging us to vouch for them so they can get hired.)
One of them, the older one, mentions they have this clause in their Union contract where they lose their retirement benefits if they work for another grocery store. Blew my fucking mind. As far as I know, once you put money into your retirement account at TJs it stays with you, even if you go to a different job. Vons is out here making cashiers sign goddamn non-compete clauses. I don't know anything about their union leadership, but something about that just seems insane.
So as a late Millennial White guy, you get raised hearing some casual anti-union talk. "Oh the Union wouldn't help me when I needed it, but they sure kept Karen the Cashier from ever having to work!" And it almost transcends "normie" politics. I've got a few coworkers and friends who worked at other stores becoming to TJs and a lot of the time I hear Union talk met with "Yeah, the Union never did anything to help me. Really made sure I would cough up my dues, though." One of them mentioned they had a manager that was essentially bullying them, fucking with their hours and the like, and the only thing the Union would tell him were that their hands were tied.
That's the impression that I think a lot of White people have taken away from the Union movement of the past. It wasn't something they felt like they were "a part of" or in any way "representative" of them. They imagined it as a bloated bureaucracy that passively took their money while enabling some shitty behavior. Now most of the jobs that we'd associate with labor unions aren't commonly worked by White people these days (consequences of us hollowing out our industrial capacity) and those that remain appear to have the same problems associated with historical labor unions here: corruption, bureaucratic bloat, business unionism, etcetera.
No.1835964
>>1835740The core of a lot of online ML discourse when you get down to it
No.1835966
>>1835450>>1835466>>1835446he's innocent, lapd is racist asf, try again
No.1835974
>>1835927The bureaucrat's power comes from secrecy and theater. Their power level goes up with information management, image mangement, and domination of practices; it seems like prudent revolutionary praxis to rend that veil whenever it is within slashing distance, and refuse to construe their special-ness in social relations.
>>1835960Taft-Hartley made unionizing basically pointless in the USA, by design. So, with the material basis of the factory siege slipping away on a container ship, and the social well of labor unionism so tainted, what is the concept of the next program?
No.1835976
>>1835940>Someone said something like "what if we can bring the revolution to America by having third world militias invade the country?"Ah, the JDPON. I'm sort of content neutral about that… like on the one hand it seems like a surreal dystopian comic book fantasy, and quite possibly an attempt to tell firsties like us that we don't have it so bad, so we can just… wait around and do nothing with our thumbs up our buttholes? While we're being exploited too? Doesn't seem Marxist to me. But if the JDPON forms their army of billions on the Mexican border, if it EVER got that bad, the U.S. empire would be clearly finished anyways so you might as well start feeding the JDPON coordinates on U.S. Army position and then say "thank you" when they throw our collective white labor aristocratic bodies in a mass grave.
Of course, from what I remember about old Shubel Morgan MTW internet memes, a lot of them were made by a Dutch trance DJ, who would make for an interesting supreme commander.
No.1835984
>>1835945>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?Student protests aren't proletarian protests.
>Really sells the whole we don't live in a democracyAh yes the communist goal of wanting 'REAL democracy'.
No.1835985
is there a site that aggregates American union related news like LabourWatch.com does for Klanada
No.1835986
>>1835985labornotes.org
paydayreport.com
No.1835997
>>1835984Bordiga is that you?
No.1836005
>>1835984students are inherently reactionary and retarded
No.1836022
>>1835976I'll admit Escape from L.A. has a special place in my heart. Cheesy as fuck. I love it.
That aside in regards to us waiting around while the third world revolutionaries do all the heavy lifting, I see some kind of perverse psychology in it. Like trying to prove you're so aligned with third world liberation movements you'll support them invading America and shit, but really they're just dying for
your revolution. Or to fulfill
your desire of cosmic justice. Like I can guarantee even the most anti-American third world revolutionary probably doesn't want to waste time fighting on American soil or risk his life for the cause of literally destroying America.
It's like some weird BDSM relationship. Where, sure, the Sadist is ostensibly the one "on top" in the relationship, but often it's the Masochist, the bottom, who's cynically using the sadist to fulfill their own perverse desires.
No.1836032
Is anyone participating in protests at school? Can you tell me what's going on?
有在学校参与抗议的吗，可以跟我说说什么情况
No.1836041
>>1836038Man every academic paper coming out of a sociology department is titled like “the liberatory/revolutionary power of queer acrobatics” or something. I don’t even know what “queer” means but it’s slapped on more shit than “gluten free” these days.
That aside it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadist. Everyone is all “step on me mommy” or “I want to be choked by them” but if you say “I want to choke someone” people think you’re crazy.
No.1836045
>>1836041>Sexualizing theology in perverse ways helps de-clinicalize sex and eroticism. AlthausReid began this work by using a liberationist framework and exposing the poverty ofsexuality in liberation theology. By addressing power as a productive feature of becoming that is central to dominance and submission, there is an epistemological rupture that
must be acknowledged. That rupture is recognizing the submissive as one with inherent
power and the move to submission by the dominant. When the Centre and institutions are
stabilized as sadists, requiring at times non-consensual reception of submission and pain
from bottoms, the masochism that proliferates is an unproductive masochism that results
in further colonization of marginalized bodies.
Important here is the very intentional effort to decolonize erotics by privileging the
role of the power bottom. Queer sex is one such practice that remains taboo and unacknowledged by those who think about sexual theologies. In thinking about decolonial
efforts relative to sex and erotics, we must also think about marginalized bodies and how
the logic of dominance, often expressed by the sadist institution/the Centre, affects these
bodies. When the imperial framework of traditional D/s is decolonized and the s is
encouraged to become S, the D, also always becoming with the S, submits to those pieces
of the S that are most vulnerable to marginalization. Seen most clearly in the möbius strip
that topographically is always single-sided and always doubling, the becoming of the
queer D/S engagement, framed by a queerness that supports an eschatological vision,
initiates new contours of justice-making in the positivity of a queer relationality that
becomes part of the queer revolution that is rooted in the potential of becoming.
No.1836046
>>1835817uyghas see this shit and still say that america isn't a dictatorship (of capital).
No.1836049
>>1836041what if you want to choke and be choked?
No.1836051
>>1836049Then you are a switch. Just don't worry about it, it's fine.
No.1836052
>>1836041>I don’t even know what “queer” means Queer just means LGBT+(alphabet soup) but more elegant, it's also a reclaimed slur.
No.1836064
American cops brutalizing universities in defense of genocide while it prepares for war with China and passes sweeping legislation that explicitly censors mass media for those reasons. In response the democrat posts wojacks of the president eating icecream with sunglases or having laser eyes or whatever.
No.1836085
>>1836041The title of that one is kind of thick, I agree, but labor theories of value tend to generate make-work, in a competitive society that much worse to bear. So a one or two page idea inflates to 20. That paper comes down to how the power bottom defuses and demystifies power by conditioning themselves to a different relation to the subjection to ordeal. By not faithfully playing the whole role of the submissive, by remaining unbowed, one subverts the power relation at a deeper level of indecency or disrespect, which is good for the worker's soul IMO. Marx didn't want no simps in his proletariat.
Engels seemed to venture that the dissolution of gender dependence structures over long historical time would appear as a loosening of relationship ties, and a shift in gender power back toward women, who have the pussy and will therefore make the rules. The effect is especially evident in the Nordic welfare states and in Soviet Russia as women were freed from dependency on reproductive partnership to meet their life needs, and to a lesser degree in the several societies whose fertility dropped as women achieved access to other economic options (a mixed blessing for all involved tbh).
There is a slightly hidden gender twist in BDSM roles: the niche community of female dominants and male submissives, roughly 5-10% of kinksters, have a relatively anti-sexual ethos compared to male doms, female subs, or any switches. Professional dominants have historically hegemonized the production of that sub-subculture, driving its ethic toward high style, low intimacy, and a sexual ethic compatible with acts that could be more or less legal in commercial contexts. So they shaped male enthusiasts' expectations toward ideals that are unreasonable, unsustainable, and somewhat self-defeating in a long-term relationship context.
Not coincidentally, the new femdom is much more sex-positive and spectacle-skeptical, and a more realistic organizing principle for a long-term relationship than the latex pet fantasies on the clip sites. Its practitioners reject that professional hegemony for a living theory of relationship production. It often emphasizes practices such as anticipatory service and personal intimacy, as opposed to the strict obedience and showy theatrics. Some characteristic kinks in the new femdom include sexual helplessness, ear cleaning, male chastity devices, and utterly degenerate handholding. I know, right? But I've met a couple in the wild who dropped fairly explicit hints about their commitments to this dynamic.
Intuitively, I think this new femdom may entail one moment of a general trend away from professionalism as well as those forces Engels identified, but that may be wishful thinking on my part. Real minority opinion, I do think a material power balance in favor of women is evident as their economic dependency crumbles away, and that new femdom might offer worthwhile insights into or even sketches of the future of socialist social relations.
/rant
>it just seems more socially acceptable to be a masochist than a sadistIn general society, sure, because vulnerability makes people more exploitable, and exploitability is after all the name of the capitalist game. Inside the community, a skilled, sane top is dearly sought after, especially a good woman top.
Because the state generally refuses to guarantee practices that do not result in its own reproduction, intent is an important safety consideration in alternative lifestyle relations. Wanting to choke someone can be problematic, because (ideology disregarded) it's actually quite dangerous and can easily end poorly many hours after the session even under the best mitigations. Wanting to enjoy someone's reactions when they are being consensually subjected to some unaccustomed stimuli, however, is seen as somewhat distinguished, and that perspective offers more room for personal and practical accommodation to fit one's skill and taste and still get the reaction you're looking for — for example, hand over mouth, while still not safe enough to uncritically recommend, might deliver the effects that all parties to an encounter desire.
No.1836111
>>1836051how dare you say that! they want to choke people!
No.1836117
Ah scratch that, some pope already made the reference:
>>1835847 No.1836120
>>1835817RIP laserretard, they would have known how to handle this on a budget
No.1836127
>>1835552Daily reminder that Sakai might be wrong about his analysis, but he was right about white peoples having problems.
No.1836130
>>1835833Yeah. Of course.
No.1836135
>>1835984>So are we gonna get another wave of radicalization now that cops are beating up peaceful student protests?Doubtful. They'll be back simping for Biden in a couple months after Trump wins the republican nomination
No.1836163
>>1836022You just described Contrarian Anon to a T
No.1836179
>>1835624Was kinda the case in the 90s though in the broader context of Nanna having a medical condition that's not getting treated either way
Now though we're waaaaaaay past the fucking krispy kreme as a consolation though
Now its Nanna's house is get burned down either way for
>muh economyor some shit but the republicans want to rape Nanna before burning her house down.
No.1836181
>>1836135For me the test is simple. Will these student protests, and their supposed influence, endure or repeat once the compradors queue up to sign "normalization accords" with Israel and some bullshit "peace" is reached? When the political will of the USA is to leave the matter of Israel settled and it's no longer election season? Once the MSM closes the faucet of morbidity regarding Palestinians?
I think not. Their power is 100% what the media wants to give them.
No.1836190
>>1836135>>1836181Biden has repeatedly shown he's a raging Zionist and will not stop supporting Israel, same with the rest of the Dems. The chance of them changing their tune come November is low.
No.1836192
>>1836181 (me)
But, simple test,
Where are the protests about Afghanistan
or Sudan?, Ethiopia? The current African hunger? ? This an ongoing disaster that the USA is responsible for and continues aggravating. But no gore on TV so it can go on for as many years as it needs be.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/20/millions-close-to-hunger-after-wfp-cuts-food-aid-to-afghanistanhttps://www.unocha.org/publications/report/afghanistan/afghanistan-humanitarian-update-february-2024>Afghanistan continues to face a complex humanitarian crisis characterized by an array of challenges, ranging from the longterm effects of decades of war to protracted displacement, chronic underdevelopment, poverty and food insecurity to natural disasters and climate change. Despite a reduction in active hostilities, the country remains in dire need of assistance to address the pressing needs of the population.>In 2024, an estimated 23.7 million people, including 5.9 million women and 5.4 million men, require humanitarian aid. To address these needs, humanitarian partners in Afghanistan released the 2024 Humanitarian Needs and Response Plan (HNRP) in December 2023 prioritizing life-saving assistance such as food aid, safe drinking water, healthcare, education and water, sanitation and hygiene (WASH) assistance for the 17.3 million most vulnerable individuals. However, despite the scale and severity of needs now present, only US$238 million has been received towards the HNRP's requirements of $3.06 billion to date, representing just 7.8 per cent of overall resourcing. This severe funding gap jeopardizes the implementation of vital humanitarian interventions. No.1836206
>>1836192It took nothing less than a genocide to mobilize liberals. You expect them to also mobilize for a famine? Unlikely.
No.1836209
>>1835945just wait til Trump wins in '24 and starts drafting the students to fight in the upcoming war and help israel fight iran
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