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 No.805130[Last 50 Posts]

🗽United States Politics🦅

Absolute State of America Edition

Thread for the hellish discussion related to the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth.

🏈💵💸🍔

State mandated propaganda livestreams:
CNN: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/cnn-news-usa.html
MSNBC: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/msnbc.html
FOX: https://www.livenewsnow.com/american/fox-news-channel.html
Bloomberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8PhLsUcFEegalitarianism

 No.1859034

>>1859005
No, stop! We don't want CPUSA-anon to give us walls of Mosley quotes…

Seriously though, Sakai is just an ethno-nationalist who wants a race war all while hiding behind Marxist rhetoric. Here's some Marxist critiques of his work:
https://medium.com/@CritiqueofLeftism/some-critical-remarks-on-settlers-by-j-sakai-b72b925a23b3
https://erich-arbor.medium.com/the-anti-marxist-elitism-of-j-sakais-settlers-409ff2d496ee

Also, if you have a point just make it. Don't link an entire book and run away.

 No.1859039

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>>1859005
Don't read the theory if you aren't willing to do the praxis. Fed or not, I have no fucking clue why people pretend to read Settlers. As per Sakai's libcom interview he wrote it while already in the BLA, it's not remotely applicable to the states outside of misusing a the term middling to prove a point.

 No.1859048

>>1859005
Nationalist trash

 No.1859076

>>1859005
Do you advocate the brutal murder of all representatives of the bourgeoisie including labor aristocrats such as yourself? Are you willing to just sit there and let the global proletariat do whatever sick shit they want to your body?

 No.1859080

Labor aristocrats who advocate the violent liquidation of the labor aristocracy could simply kill themselves instead. Why don’t they? That’s the contradiction I don’t understand, if you’re such a horrible exploiter and you want yourself and others in your class to be killed, why not do the proles a favor and save them the effort? Shit or get off the pot, that’s what I say.

 No.1859081

Maoist labor aristocrats, when you go to the grocery store and it’s full of hundreds of labor aristocrats just like you, do you fantasize about shooting them all? Would you enjoy seeing their parasite blood run down the aisles and hearing the sweet sound of their horrified screams, adults and children alike? That doesn’t bother you even a little bit?

 No.1859085

>>1859081
>>1859080
>burgers, why don't you kill each other?
They do

 No.1859086

>>1858875
Capitalism is a gift that keeps on giving… more and more dead people

 No.1859087

>>1859085
I'm talking about Maoists who advocate for their own death and are too cowardly to see it through, thinking they'll somehow be saved if they read enough Marx and verbally abuse enough people online. Pay attention.

 No.1859088

>>1858875
100,000 "people"? No, 100,000 labor aristocrats. Why do you care if they die?

 No.1859090

>>1859087
>I'm talking about Maoists who advocate for their own death and are too cowardly to see it through
Why? If you want to write about your obsession get a blog.

 No.1859094

>>1859090
I don't understand how someone can follow a political ideology that calls for their own violent, brutal, merciless execution. If that's what you really believe, why stay alive in the first place? Simple question.

I'm not cut out for a cadre. I could read Marx but it would be a waste of time, I'm not capable of contributing effectively to any sort of revolutionary movement. So Maoists want me to kill myself instead, and they're trying to convince me that I should do it, and I'm not going to let those sick fucks take advantage of my suicidal tendencies and manipulate me into jumping off a bridge. I'm not going to let those motherfuckers control me.

Would you let a representative of the global proletariat walk up to you and slash your throat? Why or why not? If the answer is no, does that not make you a counterrevolutionary?

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 No.1859102

>>1859094
t. never read the book

 No.1859105

>>1859094
Nobody cares about your OC fanfic as you've been told..
Cincerely, What mental disability do you have that makes you write all this?

 No.1859108

>>1859105
Do you believe that the bourgeoisie should be brutally murdered? Do you believe that your interests objectively align with those of the bourgeoisie? How do you reconcile these two facts?

 No.1859112

>>1859105
I have been diagnosed with many things including ocd and autism, but who cares what bourgeois psychiatry has to say? There are people pushing a political line that I actually do recognize to be correct, and they’re promoting mass death of the class I belong to, and that makes me profoundly uncomfortable, so I have to fight them. I have to fight anyone who wants to kill me or I’ll end up killing myself. Simple logic

 No.1859113

>>1859112
>I'm talking about Maoists who advocate for their own death and are too cowardly to see it through
So why are you here spamming us about it?
Is this your try-out as /leftypol/s knockoff chris-chan or something?

 No.1859114

>>1859113
I would like to argue with the local Maoists and prove that they are sick sadists who would rejoice in spilling my blood

 No.1859116

>>1859114
Also, all of my devices have been banned from Reddit so this is the best I can do

 No.1859117

>>1859108
a. they should be put on trial as legitimation and appropriate punishment administered. In some cases the death penalty would be appropriate.
b. no

 No.1859118

>>1859117
Thousands are starving to death while you’re wasting time putting exploiter parasites like me on trial. Now what bitch?

 No.1859120

>>1859118
by the time we're putting them on trial it's already a revolt, what the hell are you talking about

 No.1859121

>>1859120
I recently saw a Maoist argue in favor of simply killing Pu Yi instead of rehabilitating him. I assume they want to do the same to me given that I am also a class enemy. I can never get a straight answer from these Maoists about whether they personally want to kill me or what they want to do to my body. It’s driving me up the fucking wall

 No.1859124

Bro why even talk to western Maoists. Even compared to socialists in general they're completely irrelevant

 No.1859125

I am talking about the Shining Path and the Natalie’s and certain isolated Westerners who recognize that they’ve got a good thing going. There is no organized movement of anti revisionist western Maoists.

The cognitive dissonance is what’s killing me. I agree with their logic but the inevitable conclusion is that I should be killed. I have difficulty not thinking like an individualist, even liberals think I’m unusually self centered, but I can’t get past the idea that people who are correct want to kill me therefore I have to kill myself for the good of humanity. I might actually give myself a heart attack stressing out about this shit one of these days

 No.1859126

>>1859125
*Naxalites. The Natalie’s are settler parasites

 No.1859144

>>1859108
>>1859112
>>1859116
>>1859114
This guy has spent TWO DAYS doing nothing but glued to a screen whining here because someone was mean to him…
The redditor was right I guess. Hang all American 'leftists'.

 No.1859152

>>1858889
Communism will win
Teenage girls are sexy
and gay shits disgusting most of the time
What am I missing here?

 No.1859165

>>1859144
Years actually

 No.1859167

>>1859152
Descended testicles

 No.1859175

>>1859125
Shining Path is cringe.

 No.1859192

>>1859167
Naw. Put em in your mouth

 No.1859193

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<UCLA attackers exposed: meet the violent Zionist agitators LA police haven’t arrested
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/05/13/ucla-attackers-exposed/
>The Grayzone has obtained a dossier detailing the identities of the Zionist hooligans who assaulted UCLA anti-genocide student protesters. It was sent to LA police, but no arrests have been made. And the cops still can’t explain why they disappeared for hours during the mob attack.

 No.1859207

>>1858595
There would be no classes because of nuclear war

 No.1859214

>>1858975
He's got a marketing degree. I have 0 doubt he is working for a private foundation or think tank whose aim is to destroy alternative formations to the petit-bourgeois middle class society he's currently paying off his loan on.

>>1858987
>Isn't this basically the default state of human history?
No, only world history. These points seem a bit vague and cryptic, but the Introduction/Appendix warned students repeatedly not to get tangled up in :
<(1) War developed earlier than peace; the way in which certain economic relations such as wage labour, machinery etc. develop earlier, owing to war and in the armies etc., than in the interior of bourgeois society. The relation of productive force and relations of exchange also especially vivid in the army.
<(7) This conception appears as necessary development. But legitimation of chance. How. (Of freedom also, among other things.) Influence of means of communication. World history has not always existed; history as world history a result.)
Without human history, there would be no historical accounts and debts to drive war as such. Episodic raids and simmering rivalries, perhaps, but I think war as a team sport would have had to come later.

>>1859039
>Don't read the theory if you aren't willing to do the praxis
>my religion is sacred
Kys ADOS cultoid

 No.1859215

>>1859034
>Also, if you have a point just make it. Don't link an entire book and run away.
That's the joke with Maoist kids.
https://rhizzone.net/forum/topic/13438/?page=22

 No.1859217

>>1859080
>Labor aristocrats who advocate the violent liquidation of the labor aristocracy could simply kill themselves instead. Why don’t they?
They could also split the difference and start suicide-bombing executives, directors, and other UHNW individuals. But, like Lenin, they wanted to rub their heads too much to crush them.

 No.1859221

>>1859117
>legitimation
People who worship their own alien powers shoud be lobotomized and sentenced to permanent labor power

 No.1859311

My fellow americans; imagine if mobile data and internet were free, provided for by taxpayer money. Everybody already pays the bill so why not just nationalize the utility? Anyway the united snakes will never have a free phone or internet policy.

 No.1859340

>>1858975
It’s personal opinion, not the party line.

>>1859214
>A think tank would spend money trying to disrupt a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum with 200 users or so.
I went for marketing after flunking out of accounting and just wanting to get done with college so my family would stop pressuring me. When I looked for work after graduating it was all shit that said “Fast paced work environment, hires should expect to show initiative and take on multiple tasks at once, one years experience preferred, $17/hr wage.”

I was (and am) making more at a grocery store in than if I were to get into marketing. And as for college debt I can happily say I had help from family and would only really spend my money on gas, food, and video games.

I’m merely stating my opinion, you can’t have a movement based around an organized working class in circumstances where the working class has so many hurdles to organizing. It’s like betting on a morbidly obese guy to win a marathon. So with that understood you can either bet on another dude, or try to help the fatass train. The latter will take much longer than the former, and you’ve got to hope that the guy you’re training won’t indulge in late night snacking or drinking. My position remains trying to do as much good for as many people as I can; and so with that in mind I’ve analyzed the circumstances in my country, and I’ve begun developing a hypothesis that the path away from this psychotic course unrestrained Capitalism is taking us on would first go through the political realm, rather than emerge entirely from, say, a general strike of workers.

I’ve said similar things when discussing the slogan or concept of “abolish the police.” Namely that you’d need an alternative to make such an idea even remotely possible. Call it “community defense groups” or “citizen militias” but without there being already existing alternatives to the police, then you’re accomplishing nothing. To the people you’re trying to preach the idea to, you may as well be saying “rape and murder should be legal”. Now if there was an existing alternative with proven efficacy, then people might be willing to hear them out, but as it stands there isn’t and I’m cynical about there emerging one anytime soon. I believe CHAZ tried forming one, and in an ironic twist they ended up killing unarmed black people.

There isn’t much organizing of alternative institutions to the state. Not from the people and, broadly, not from the Socialists. We can come up with any number of reasons why, but I believe those are the circumstances we’re facing. Should Anarchists try to form community defense groups now I would wish them all the best, but I give it maybe a month before they stop. Because as time passes and they realize they’re just spending their weekend sitting in a car for 12 hours waiting for something to happen, they’ll get bored. They’ll see community defense (especially unpaid community defense) as a chore, rather than exciting. Soon less and less people will volunteer for it, or people will volunteer then never show up, and when a real call for help comes in and goes unanswered, the community they’re “defending” will turn on them. You had people leave the front during the fucking Spanish Civil War after a couple of days because the glamor of actually fighting a war had worn off.

So as it stands I believe the masses are looking toward a state to subdue Capitalism, not to recreate state functions themselves.

 No.1859355

>>1859121
Don't actively oppose the revolution and you won't get got, it's not that difficult.

 No.1859358

>>1859355
My very existence opposes the revolution and I will be shown no mercy

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>both trump and biden are older than george bush, who was elected 24 years ago

 No.1859397

>>1859358
Relax man you'll be fine. By the way, I also have OCD so I wanted to express my sympathy. It's terrible.

 No.1859400

>>1859121
don't make yourself an enemy and they probably won't notice you

 No.1859410

>>1859374
yeah, boomers won't let go of power until they're 100

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>>1859114
bro I heard there were some maoists under your bed but I can check for you

 No.1859421

>>1859374
*snrk* "Robinette?"

 No.1859425

>>1859410
<generational political
Idiotic. Childish.

 No.1859427

>>1859088
>>1859090
>>1859094
>>1859105
>>1859108
>>1859114
>>1859116
>>1859113
>>1859118
>>1859120
>>1859121
>>1859125
>>1859144
I'm glad this website is dying because the only cure for this cancer is being forced to talk to a normal person

 No.1859429

>>1859374
biden was born closer to lincolns presidency than his own

 No.1859434

>>1858925
It's just ThingNoticer. He's fishing for validation again. Just report and ignore, he's the type who gets validation for his BS by allowing him to tell himself that he's doing Meme Warfare against dumb internet stereotypes that live in his head

 No.1859446

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Hitler in the back

 No.1859448

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New shirt

 No.1859449

>>1858875
more people die from alcoholism

 No.1859450

>>1858700
He wouldve turned into a shameless MAGAtard.

We had Gary Johnson amd Rand Paul back in 2016 and they were mocked off the stage for not bending over to Hillary or Donald.

 No.1859456

>>1859449
whataboutism, cringe

 No.1859457

>>1858595
It would probably be more.
The issue with Trump winning is that it radicalized a lot of people on the left, but instead of radicalizing towards actual leftwing positions, they became hardcore establishment neoliberal elitist fantasizing about using the power of the state to crush populist uprisings. They basically sold their soul to satan in order to pwn /pol/

 No.1859458

>>1859449
if this is your only response to 100k opioid overdoses, why are you even on this site faggot?

 No.1859459

>>1859340
>A think tank would spend money trying to disrupt a Mongolian Basket Weaving forum with 200 users or so
Yes, you know this. The most harmless, do nothing, save the whales orgs have had huge funds spent infiltrating them across the west.

 No.1859475

Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the Highest stage of Marxism, with Maoist PPW being the only viable praxis to actually achieve Socialism (their are currently ongoing Maoist PPWs in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru), with the caveat that
Maoist PPW is not viable under the current Material conditions of the Imperial Core, meaning that Left-Liberals/Social Democrats (ie. Leftist Democrats) should be critically supported as a “Lesser Evil” to Fascists/Reactionaries/Theocrats (ie. Christian Zionist Nationalist MAGAtard Republicans), just like the Sino-Russian Imperialist Bloc (ie. China, Russia, Iran, the Socialist States of Cuba and the DPRK, etc.) should be Critically supported as a Lesser Evil to U$ Imperialism Worldwide, though if/when Bourgeois Liberal Democracy is abolished in the U$ and a Fascist Theocracy (probably under a Trump dynasty) is established, which will implement Project 2025 and seek to throw all Leftists, LGBTQIA+, Feminists, Union Workers, Muslims, Homeless people, and Undocumented Immigrants in Concentration Camps, along with Invading Iran/Mexico, Authorizing/completing the Final Genocide/Annexation of Palestine (in order to rebuild “Solomons Temple” with the goofy ass Holy Red Cow sacrifices), and waging World War III with China (they will be forced to Invade Taiwan after the U$ decouples all trade with them), them the only viable Praxis Worldwide (including in the Imperial Core) will be Maoist PPW, with the inevitable Global Nuclear War destroying the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System (including the U$, EU, China, Russia, the Zionist State, etc), thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to World Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇵🇸🇮🇷🇸🇾🇱🇧🇾🇪🇮🇶🇨🇺🇻🇪🇷🇺🇧🇾🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

 No.1859482

>>1859458
>>1859456
I can smell the alcohol from here, you need to stop.

 No.1859484

>>1859449
Ahem gentlemen….
Abolish the 21st Amendment

 No.1859500

>>1858959
>>1858969
A few things: I think America remains a Bourgeois Democracy in maybe its purest form. Stuff that would get politicians in other capitalist countries arrested on corruption charges are pretty much part of the formal political process here.

That said, it seems the trend towards any kind of progressive change is broadly achieved when formalized by the political process. I’ve had plenty of arguments with libertarians, and one trick they’ll pull is say shit like “well Denmark doesn’t even have a minimum wage! They have less regulations than us! And look how well the people there live!” When, as I understand it, they can only enjoy such high standards without legal recognition of them thanks to having a robust union movement that regulates the businesses themselves. Now it might be a result of historical differences; contrary to the “labor aristocracy” myth, the class war in America was particularly bloody and brutal, so it could be that the only feasible way of winning concessions was to formalize them in law. Either way, I think it remains that the path forward will likely be through advocating to the people as a citizenry to seize and evolve America’s state. Something I considered is maybe a grassroots campaign on a state by state basis, call it a “second continental congress” and get it to discuss and promote the drafting of a new constitution and a new government of, by, and for the People. At least get people talking about forming a new government to replace one we’ve totally become dissatisfied with.

>>1859034
You can say many things about Mosley, but the funniest fact remains that he’s objectively more intellectually honest and understanding towards Communists than Sakai is.

 No.1859503

>>1859340
>So as it stands I believe the masses are looking toward a state to subdue Capitalism, not to recreate state functions themselves.
The American civil religion makes people stupid. They're idiots. Private property and rent simply cannot exist without the state because creditors, heirs, gatekeepers, publicans, entire social organs can be massacred more or less as easily as the working class has been, and with them the debts.
People need to start treating their ruling classes more like the predatory vermin they are.

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 No.1859508

>>1859340
>le basket weaving forum
It's a pretty slow board. It takes maybe 5 minutes an hour to send everything new to a sentiment analysis robot and find anything overly spicy worthy of human interest. You know you give yourselves away when you try to push that marketplace-spectator mindset, where the world is a pageant of ideals begging for the enlightened middle class to purchase and commit.

 No.1859516

>>1859448
why the fuck is every photo with blacks for trump a white fat guy

 No.1859518

>>1859516
Don't worry, they're 00000000.0000000001% black so they can speak for all black people.

 No.1859527

>>1859484
Yeah because that totally wouldn't see the resurgence of black market for alcohol and even deadlier home made alcohol that will lead to more violence.

 No.1859532

>>1859527
>I don't understand how alcohol is made so I will just worship industry like a god while sipping my Bud Light

 No.1859540

>>1859532
Alright asshole, sure go ahead and reinstate Prohibition and I am just mentioned what will happen like how it played out before but I am worshiping the industry.

 No.1859541

>>1858875
there's no such thing as overdosing on fent. you cannot satiate the fent fiend. All doses, even lethal doses, are underdoses.

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 No.1859546

>>1859540
>how it played out before
That's not materialism.

 No.1859550

>>1859508
Isn’t it an actual fed tactic to accuse people of being feds, though? For what it’s worth I don’t consider you one, you’re just an idiot.

 No.1859555

>>1859550
I'm accusing you of being a think-tankie, not a fed.

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 No.1859583

>>1859500
>You can say many things about Mosley, but the funniest fact remains that he’s objectively more intellectually honest and understanding towards Communists than Sakai is.
So what? There are plenty of non-fascists you can quote to make the same points.
It undermines a lot of what you say because leftists instinctively want nothing to do with fascism for obvious reasons.

It's like trying to sell a car, but instead of a hot model next to it there's a disgustingly fat ugly retard. Sure the car might be objectively great but the marketing will make people look somewhere else.

 No.1859592

>>1859034
>https://medium.com/@CritiqueofLeftism/some-critical-remarks-on-settlers-by-j-sakai-b72b925a23b3
>Every country in the world is founded upon ‘conquest, genocide and enslavement’. Conquest and enslavement are and have been common features of human history for millennia, and genocide is no rare occurrence either.

Lmao bro please don't link right wing dribble to me again

 No.1859593

>>1859584
least obvious bait post

 No.1859601

>>1859592
Sorry you don't like history. Maybe you should stick to children's stories?

 No.1859605

>>1859584
Why the fuck would I read it, ok racism is bad and should be fought but if your politics include constantly whining about white people you're just a wrecker

 No.1859606

>>1859500
Technically it would be the Third Continental Congress but I've fantasized about it, mainly since the right is currently attempting the same thing.
>>1859584
Stop trying to replace class struggle with struggles between nations and other identities.

 No.1859609

>>1859606
>Stop trying to replace class struggle with struggles between nations and other identities.
Why has the left become so big on this? Is it a psyop?

 No.1859611

>>1859606

>Stop trying to replace class struggle with struggles between nations and other identities.


Stop playing dick suck for a settler colony bruh.

 No.1859613

>>1859599
Those "indigenous" people didn't come out of the ground, they all come out of Africa and later settled the world. Everyone in the world is actually African.

 No.1859614

>>1859609
Yes, since at least occupy and probably earlier

 No.1859615

>>1859599
I am white. Your position has absolutely nothing to offer me. Therefore, I obviously wouldn't be your ally.

 No.1859617

>>1859616
So was yours

 No.1859618

>>1859616
This is true, and that's why we shouldn't focus on racial identity much and should instead focus on class struggle.

 No.1859619

>>1859599
>They didn't exist
This claim serves a very important ideological function in obscuring the criticism that Settlers supposes an ontological metaphysiscs as to issue of race, by proposing that any denial of this quality as being racist. The circular logic is never questioned because those who end up reading it take its points at face value.

The content of the book is perfectly reflected in the people who end up defending it: grifters. Who end up selling these theories to their pay masters, either working corporate diversity positions or academic tenures laundering the image of their university whilst banking into personal accounts their funding.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/16/facebook-nike-furlow-smile-prison-fraud.html

 No.1859621

>>1859609
Since liberals/socdems began using the label they have made identity politics the status quo. You are immune to this with that flag so do not worry.

 No.1859622

>>1859619
>either working corporate diversity positions

Sick so this is just regular /pol/? What's next, gonna rant about Smile Baby or some video game feminist bullshit?

 No.1859623

>>1859621
It's weird that this happens on /leftypol/ too, I thought its whole thing that made it unique was its opposition to idpol.

 No.1859624

>>1859622
>Y-y-y-y-you're racist!
Says the one reading Settlers.

 No.1859626

>>1859623
No the whole point is to be anti-/pol/, as stated in the site's official faq.
That means if /pol/ is white identitarian then leftypol needs to be racist against white people to pwn /pol/, obviously.

 No.1859627

>>1859616
Everyone's racial identity was made the fuck up. We're all sitting here internalizing the bullshit myths of a dying civilization, and acting smug at each other for it

 No.1859628

>>1859627
No no no, black people are inherently revolutionary based on the colour of their skin.
The whiter you are, the less revolutionary you are.

 No.1859629

>>1859626
It aims to be the negation of /pol/ as in opposition to fascism and just generally less retarded, it's not against /pol/ out of pure contrarianism.

 No.1859630

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>>1859626
I shouldin't reply to bait, though it should be noted here.

 No.1859631

>>805130
Ok enough arguing about settlers.

 No.1859632

>>1859631
OH SHI-

 No.1859633

>>1859623
Every family has arguments. Some families have fuckups which need to be disowned. This happens and they come and go. Just wait for the jannies.

 No.1859634

>>1859630
should be revised to say that there are oppressors and victims, but those are "the bourgeoisie" and "everyone else"

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>>1859633
Mods showed up.

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>>1859632
See the timing? Speak of the devil >>1859633

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>>1859631
They were just having a debate though. Though. Though. Though though though though though though though though though. Though. Though though though though though. Though.

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>>1859637
thoughever

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>>1859609
I wouldn't call it a "psyop" when a good chunk of leftoidism is rooted in moralism and liberal ideology thus causing inevitably shitty analyses. That liberalism is the ruling ideology for obvious reasons doesn't help.

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>>1859638
thoughmst'd've

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>>1859611
Believe me I have no love for the US regime.
I just feel like nobody wants to make structural changes anymore, they just want their particular identity to be situated at the top of the neoliberal capitalist pyramid, or hell just a larger chunk at least.

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>>1859639
>leftoidism is rooted in moralism and liberal ideology thus causing inevitably shitty analyses
Identity politics is the extension of bourgeois property into social practice, that's all. And yes, EVERY social project without exception is a psyop.

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>>1859647
Ask what the proponents of these ideologies would do in order to restore 'justice' and one of the first thing that comes to their mind is reperation settlements.

They do not wish to modify or even alter the present conditions of social relations. From the Manifesto:

>A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in economical relations, could be of any advantage to them. By changes in the material conditions of existence, this form of Socialism, however, by no means understands abolition of the bourgeois relations of production, an abolition that can be affected only by a revolution, but administrative reforms, based on the continued existence of these relations; reforms, therefore, that in no respect affect the relations between capital and labour, but, at the best, lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative work, of bourgeois government.


And now, read the words of one of the leading political thinkers who promotes the Settlers literature, Ibram X Kendi:

> To fix the original sin of racism, Americans should pass an anti-racist amendment to the U.S. Constitution that enshrines two guiding anti-racist principals: Racial inequity is evidence of racist policy and the different racial groups are equals. The amendment would make unconstitutional racial inequity over a certain threshold, as well as racist ideas by public officials (with “racist ideas” and “public official” clearly defined). It would establish and permanently fund the Department of Anti-racism (DOA) comprised of formally trained experts on racism and no political appointees. The DOA would be responsible for preclearing all local, state and federal public policies to ensure they won’t yield racial inequity, monitor those policies, investigate private racist policies when racial inequity surfaces, and monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas. The DOA would be empowered with disciplinary tools to wield over and against policymakers and public officials who do not voluntarily change their racist policy and ideas.

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>>1859583
Eh, I find the contrast between Mosley’s positions and modern political discourse to be funny. For example: the fact he’s to the Left of Biden and most congress people on the issue of Israel. As for why I quote him: he’s the perfect example of the “clever” fascist I warned about for one. The other, well it pairs into what you said about “marketing” and I hope it serves as a wake up call for people to actually work on their messaging, because expecting Fascists to always be a bunch of idiots huffing about a race war is a potentially lethal mistake.

I talk with a ton of people on the Left, and my God is the messaging bad. I was talking with a Leftist friend the other night, and he kept going on and on about how a Socialist USA would have to “deal” with the police and military, and the implication was just mass executions for the hundreds of thousands of people that, for one reason or another, ever served or are currently serving. Then it turned into some bizarre rant about how they’re all irredeemable vermin who deserve death, how the ruling class will just nuke the country if there’s ever a revolution, and I told him if that’s how he really felt he should just give up on the Left and focus on himself. The response?
>”Why are you being so defeatist right now?”
That’s the messaging we’re putting forward? “Let’s dream up ways to kill hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of people.” To be perfectly frank I work with and befriended tons of vets, hearing Nazi-like talk about “killing the vermin” and knowing it’d mean a bunch of my coworkers would be murdered is psychotic and alienating.

Then you have all the other shit: the constant playing up of weakness, the resentment, the double standards, the psychotic little spats and social games. Should a real Fascist arise: one whose clever enough to understand shit like “white nationalism” isn’t making a comeback, then I think as had happened before, you’re gonna see the Left remain impotent.

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>>1859622
Yeah, it's just regular /pol/ with some edgy décor; any Marxist space that does not ruthlessly moderate tf out of tankies, manageroids, and substantially all social-authoritarians will see the same result. Like…
vvv

>>1859634
>class collaborationism against the big bad bourgeoisie
Larper

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>>1859657
>>1859647
Ignoring this line
> monitor public officials for expressions of racist ideas
which just echos the video posted the other day of a Democratic Party proponent who wanted to set up his own little ministry of truth with his sycophant reporters eagerly repeating his ideas back to him, what Kendi proposes to do is establish an administrative system in which the racial catagories find perpetuation.

Why does he do this? Because his entire project, his financing, his livelihood is dependent upon the reproduction of these racial categories within the capitalist system. He builds a system of cosmic order in which, as even Zizek has pointed out, robs anyone with black skin of an ethical and rational agency.

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>>1859657
>And now, read the words of one of the leading political thinkers who promotes the Settlers literature, Ibram X Kendi

to me this is like arguing that Sonic games are good and someone posts some cringe fan art.

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>>1859674
I'm trying my hardest to decipher whatever the fuck you're saying. Can you repeat it in English?

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>>1859668
>which just echos the video posted the other day of a Democratic Party proponent who wanted to set up his own little ministry of truth with his sycophant reporters eagerly repeating his ideas back to him, what Kendi proposes to do is establish an administrative system in which the racial catagories find perpetuation.
Here's a fun read.

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>>1859544
it was a joke about how addictive fent is, sorry if it was out of line or w/e

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>>1859676
>In this article, ProfessorHarris contributes to this discussion by positing that racial identity and property are deeply interrelated concepts.

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>>1859679
Fascists try to derail every investigation of the real relation between economic and social property so that they can slip neoliberal market values into societies under cover of vulgar materialism.

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>>1859665
>Muh hecking tankies and autohoritarians.
Reddit and twitter are more for your vibe.

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>>1859690
No, they have the same cult problem as you do.

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joever

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>>1859701
Black Maga Communism is gonna save us by funding more into Israel

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>>1859714
The absolute state of the communist movement.

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>>1859714
Go back to your hole, democrat. MAGA halted the funding for 7 months. MAGA didn't draft nor ratify the recent bill either. That bill was a Uniparty ploy, drafted and ratified entirely by agents of the Uniparty, not MAGA. Biden is just diffusing blame from the democrats onto their Uniparty opposite, anti-MAGA forces all the same.

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>>1859717
we're not getting socialism until the rate of profit worldwide hits absolute zero and xi presses the socialism button in 2050. this is america so we're always the last to progress in any meaningful way.

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>>1859720
>games are real and important

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>>1859676
This seems like it’s on the same level of when a bunch of college students were asked to define “queerness” and they wrote shit like “having debt”.

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>>1859722
China developing the last productive force necessary for them to press the socialism button 2050 (colorized)

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weird twitter still got it

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>>1859776
it's different because mentioning israeli election interference is illegal in 30 states

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>>1859722
The profits have fallen

millions will thrive

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>>1859658
>As for why I quote him: he’s the perfect example of the “clever” fascist I warned about for one.
That's fine. However, I'm specifically talking about when you quote him as a way to counter Sakaists which is too clever by half and not the way to deal with them. It might be funny, but it just needlessly fuels their delusions that every leftist who disagrees with them is secretly fascist.
>Socialist USA would have to “deal” with the police and military
Yeah just point out that it is lib moralism to blame systematic issues on individuals, saying the individuals must fully pay the costs of a larger economic/political system. It's reasonable that the top guys who don't defect gets the Nuremberg treatment, but lower grunts should probably get much lighter punishments and will not be allowed jobs with authority.
>the constant playing up of weakness, the resentment, the double standards, the psychotic little spats and social games.
It's annoying but that mostly comes from the left being in a weak position and not having a single clear organizational processes to mediate disputes.

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>>1859827
>Yeah just point out that it is lib moralism to blame systematic issues on individuals
Is it material to expect that some 500k people who have pledged their lives to the bourgeois order are not going to do some serious damage on the way to reconditioning?
They are there. What are you going to do with them? Expect them to just sit there and follow orders faithfully because you wear the funny costume? Can someone tell me about the class character of the people who unironically believe this shit? If the cops don't shoot you, it's because you are serving the bourgeoisie's interests.

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>>1859658
i am a clever fascist too
also all that manic-depressive hype that keyboard bureaucrats do is intolerable so i agree there.

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>>1859735
>class struggle is just a game

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>>1859841
Class struggle is a game. Class war is not.

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>>1859831
We should not be mixing up when you are actively fighting vs after you win. Before winning they are enemies who could potentially defect and join. After all, October Revolution couldn't have happened without soldiers. But after taking over the state those who continue to fight or sabotage are heavily punished. That doesn't necessarily mean execution for all though.
Historically they are just like WW2 German soldiers. During the fight they are shot except those who surrendered. After they won, USSR didn't kill all of them only the the ones who committed the most egregious war crimes.

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>>1859506
Thanks Comrade, ✊😜! By the way, what do my other Comrades think of my eclectic approach to Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Praxis at >>1859475 , 🤔?

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>>1859658
Oh, you must work for A More Perfect Union, the firm that hepls deradicalize reddit

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>>1859849
>Before winning they are enemies who could potentially defect and join
You play too many video games.
Police have an extreme knowledge and operational advantage, a strongly conditioned alignment with class/money/state ideologies, and cannot be trusted not to play a long game against us. It would be terminally stupid to depend on them for any positive action. The most you can safely ask from them in advance is that they and their famiiles demonstrate basic collectivism by staying out collectively and keeping each other aligned with that requirement, and that's the absolute minimum that will prevent any problems during the fight. (On the other hand, that means you have to arrange your own personnel to keep meals going in bellies.)
If they have knowledge to share, that's fine. If they want to rat out their own, even better. Assume it's of low confidence and pass it along. Assume they will be feeding intel like mad to your enemy anyway, even if you ask them not to do so.
>After all, October Revolution couldn't have happened without soldiers
Police are conditioned to enforce class society and many of them believe in it deeply. Military people are far more receptive to the American ideal of classlessness. Maybe your country is different. Here, duplicity is a core part of their job.
>Historically
Material > historical.

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>>1859865
>>1859475
You are wrong on every point, bidlerite; I will only bring attention to your gravest mistake. MAGA is not zionist. The intrinsic goals of MAGA force it to be anti-zionist.

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>>1859896
>Police are conditioned to enforce class society and many of them believe in it deeply. Military people are far more receptive to the American ideal of classlessness. Maybe your country is different. Here, duplicity is a core part of their job.

The soldiers were also a bunch of working class people conscripted to fight in WW1, while modern cops are an institutionalized subclass of the petite bourgeoisie.

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>>1859896
>You play too many video games.
Is that a video game mechanic or story line? Sound interesting, what's it called?
>Police are conditioned to enforce class society and many of them believe in it deeply. Military people are far more receptive to the American ideal of classlessness.
Sure, police are not as flexible as military. Doesn't change what I said though. Ones who fight get fought, ones who defect get a pass. Punish the ones who commit crimes.
>Material > historical.
And this means what?

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>>1859928
>this dumbass has been at it for a month
Will you fuck off with your bad faith shit, man

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>>1859722
The Rate of Profit can only hit zero if the entire world's population growth rate hits zero.

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>>1859951
>Is that a video game mechanic or story line? Sound interesting, what's it called?
Wololo

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Reminder that Khan is 100% a USA stooge and every step he takes and every word he says must be mediated with the Washington, first.

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>>1860267
>hes british
i shouldve known

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>>1859720
You really have to stretch it to say the Israel bills don't have MAGA written all over them, that the bulk of the Republicans who voted overwhelmingly for it haven't been saying "MAGA… MAGA… MAGA" for years, or that Trump wasn't saying you're taking the side of Hamas if you don't send all the weapons.

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>>1860320
They can kill the bosses and be charged as a minor

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>>1859924
Child molesters can't be based

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>>1860332
>>1860320
what fucking "labor shortage" are they complaining about?

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>>1860374
The shortage of cheap, servile, exploitable labor. There is never enough, by definition.

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>>1859924
siding with porky to drive down wages is not based

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I hate scabs

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They can't keep getting away with it!
Narrator: They can.

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>>1860456
The funny part is the nobody believes it was a suicide as well but of course nothing will come of it. This is literal mafia shit.

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>>1860456
Imagine this happened in North Korea. You'd never hear the end of how it's sham of a state

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>>1860486
>This is literal mafia shit.
Always has been. The truth is society is divided into legal and illegal mafias. The only difference between a legal and an illegal mafia is who most recently seized power. Legal mafias are exactly the same as illegal mafias, except they get to declare their own actions lawful. They get the privilege of investigating and sanctioning themselves. History is written with the blood of losers by the hands of winners. Humanity is evolving towards higher and higher stages of sociopathy. Attack speed and intelligence are the stats that matter. Even children aren't free from the bloodsoaked nihilistic predatory reality we have created. We are only separate from animals by the fact that we have dressed up our repulsive and predatory behavior with the garb of advanced ritual and spectacle. We are all yellow kings.

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>>1860437
siding with hitlerites to murder climate refugees isn't based either. immigrants aren't conspiring to scab, they're brought here by porky's actions. It's your job to kill the porky in your country so they stop using their foreign policy to destroy other places, which causes refugees to flee here.

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>>1860456
Why don't leftists take this shit seriously?

Look up the chilling effect, there's no way in hell I'd write an article about Boeing, I'd get murked but if I say this to people they tell me its not that deep

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>>1859679

Wait till you look at who owns all the land in South Africa, oop sorry might get banned for identity politics for mentioning that

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>>1860505
kill the boer
the farma

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>>1860507
>kill the boer

 No.1860517

Why do western leftists have so many mental health problems but Asian leftists don’t?

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>>1860517
State worship is a mental illness. All Protestant relations are symptoms of mental illness and we need cures not vectors.

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>>1860517
>Why do western leftists have so many mental health problems but Asian leftists don’t?
Isn't the case for westerners in general?

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>>1860519
<All Protestant relations are symptoms of mental illness and we need cures not vectors.

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>>1860519
You have a point but I’ve lived in Asia and I noticed that mental heath was only slightly better than in the U.S.
(I’m referring to China)

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>>1860517
Everywhere has mental health problems. The west is just ahead of the curve in cataloguing them so they can be commodified with pills and therapy.

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>>1860517
1. people here in general are mentally sick from the strain of living in a hyper-individualist capitalist society
2. being a dissenter in one of the most propaganized places on Earth drives you nuts the longer to you try to just get other people to open their eyes. It's isolating.

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>>1860517
zero traces of collectivism in the west

You think people in China are kicking their kids out when they turn 18 and telling them to bootstrap because "that's the real world?"

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>>1860533
You have a good point actually

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>>1860287
>pic
Oh my god. Trump is an actual living soyjak. It all makes sense now.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1cwhhtc/america_caught_using_the_floating_pier_which_it/

Does anyone have a better source for this than a twitter screenshot? If this is true, no mainstream news org will report it, so I will, but I need a better lead.

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>>1860533
Westerners thinking "moving out" is a sign of immmediate maturation.

yet, most parents do everything in their power to block their kids off from the real world prior to this.

America thinks childhood amd adulthood are parallel states of mind that you can just jump from at a certain age.


Adults accuse the youth of being lazy yet they dont want kids any exposure to the real world.


Innocence cannot create autonomy.

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>>1860320
Child labor is based actually.
I know its a controversial opinion but I think kids should be allowed to work within reasonable boundaries.

In fact, most child.labor back then was working on faily farms not in factories as was grossly overrepresented by alarmists.

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>>1860552

yeah my parents wouldnt let me work when I was in school but kicked me out the week I graduated high school because "you're a man now, welcome to the real world!"

You'll never guess what happens to an impressionable alienated 18 year old with no family support or ends.

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>>1860559
of course.
Lets not ruin "muh precious childhood".

The only definition of childhood should be nothing more than a bipedal pet where you cannot do anything or buy anything for yourself.

You have to wait upon mom and dad to make your happiness.
While they have to juggle bills.

God forbid that kids do something constructive other tham going to school and joining halfass rec clubs.

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>>1860558
Most Westerners dont even have any life skills to pass pff to their kids.

Amd adults always try to justify this with : the world doesnt owe you anything.


Yet they expect you to magically change the world with little to no resources.

And they get upset at their juniors for having new amenities.

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>>1860568
So you wanna think its ok to have eighteen years of your early life be wasted away on toxic legalised dependency on your parents and then be expected to magically autonomise yourself and waste away your entire prime years in brokie-ville?

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>>1860571

sorry you think anything but cucking for the manager at Dairy Queen is a "waste" you fucking loser

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>>1860575
how is it any differemt from cucking yourself to teachers and principals?

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>>1860571
Maybe boomers should parasite off of someone their own age instead of forcing teenagers and children into serving fucking fast food. Seriously fat ass maybe you should work fast food instead.

>>1860567
>the world doesnt owe you anything.
Unironically this will be said back to them by their kids when they are forced to go to a nursing home. Assuming the kids will talk to them at all.

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>>1860571

you're right bro, those 14 year olds need to be working the deep fryer instead of writing poetry in 8th grade english class

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>>1860563
>the best way to save children from the crushing monotony of how childhood is in a capitalist society is to make them experience a different flavor of crushing monotony

I have to brutally honest, a huge fucking amount of people on this board have fucking lost the plot when it comes to why you would even be on the left in the first fucking place.

The number one reason - the number one fucking reason - is that you believe that pivoting away from capitalism and the bourgeois state would be a net benefit in quality of life. We only have one life on this rock, and we don't want to waste it being subservient to capitalists, their politicians and jackbooted military thugs. That is the beginning and end of this shit.

And what are you all fuckin' doing? Moralizing about this bullshit. "uhhhh children are actually being parasites because their particular flavor of alienation doesn't fit my aesthetic preferences!" "uhhh lifestyle degeneracy!!!" "uhhhhh we need to ban SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

Shut the fuck up and get back to basics, man.

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>>1860555
>most child.labor back then was working on faily farms not in factories as was grossly overrepresented by alarmists.

you are so unbelievably retarded please just admit youre a reactionary and leave

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>>1860623
Yes. Poetry is bourgeois and labor is proletarian. You'd rather raise the children as bourgeois consumers rather than proletarian producers. Socialist youth work based development will cut the retirement age down to 55.

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>>1860630
>NOOOOOO you shouldn't want socialism because it would be a net benefit to you and people you care about, you should want it because I will be the supreme commissar and you will work for me according to my vibe-based lifestyle aesthetic preferences

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>>1860630
>Teenagers should work in healthcare
>Teenager should work in fast food
>Teenagers should lower the retirement age
Based on your posts you are a fat boomer with failing health who's fantasy is to have teenagers forced to work for you…

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>>1860533
>zero traces of collectivism in the west
Lifestylist
>You think people in China are kicking their kids out when they turn 18 and telling them to bootstrap because "that's the real world?"
They used to turn kids out into hard service at 10 or 12 at the latest. Under those conditions they bullied the entire world into reproducing their idiocy. What's your excuse?

>>1860552
>t.redscare cuntoid

>>1860563
All workists should be enslaved and lobotomized so that they can get what they want and the rest of us can torture them for reproducing odious institutions.

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>>1860624
BASED AND REVOLUTIONARYPILLED
>I have to brutally honest, a huge fucking amount of people on this board have fucking lost the plot when it comes to why you would even be on the left in the first fucking place.
A huge amount of neoliberal wreckers appear to be targeting every non-orthodox Marxist enclave and are executing an operation to confuse and adulterate Marx's critique and thought by recuperating the critique and applying European fascist aesthetics. We don't have to entertain these people or their cultural fetishes. We don't have to respect their humanity or anything about them.
Tbh more people should chant kys at members of the ruling class. McConnell's "retire" was a good start but we need more power.

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>monkey crushing

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>>1860638
>>1860623
>>1860624
>kids doing industrial activities is abusive because it just is ok?

Lets be honest: you all would never be accepted by the original left.
You want childhood to reamin some exempted "paradise" because you think you can vicariously get the stereotyped portrayals of childhood if you just put in some liberal reforms.

The current system of child exemption from even basic labor is not as proletarain as you think.

Children should be involved in making what they consume.
Otherwise you end up with this crisis.

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>>1860623
>doing shitty poetry in English class is more imoortant than making you own shoes or tending food crops.

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>>1860676
unironically yes i would rather not have the food supply be managed by 8th graders

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>>1860675
Marx says child labour is evil in capital vol. 1
Engels says it should be outlawed in principles of communism

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>>1860630
>>1860608
Kids are already being reduced from working fast food.
In fact, the reason why kids are working in fast food is bcause of child labor restrictions.
Unironically, making such laws only degrades them to worser irrelevant jobs.

In fact, now its mainly college kids and midlife crisis patron who work fast food now

>>1860680
that happens already with illegal immigrants.
And many non capitaist countries hsv their young helping out with the food supply.
But I guess you think youth is supposed to be wasted on mediocre academic exercises.

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>>1860683
Point it out to me. And knowing you guys you only follow Marx and engels on certain things.

 No.1860691

The fact you guys wanna reduce the industriality of youth to being pure students is part of why capitalism is still going strong.

You dont get that "yputh is innocence/incompetence" is a marketing strategy used in late-stage capitalism?

You dont get that social expectancy has declined in the past fifteen decades?

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>>1860691
So true, our children comrades in the Congo mines are about to bring about communism

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>>1860675
>Lets be honest: you all would never be accepted by the original left.
Good. Only idealist retards and abuse victims try to reenact the past.
>Children should be involved in making what they consume.
They should learn to produce for immediate consumption so that religious fascists like yourself have no means of control over them.

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>>1860693
>he was a good boy dindu nuffin
I fought the lawl and the lawl won

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>>1860675

I would shoot you tbh

 No.1860704

>>1860697
Im not religious fascist.
If anything you guys seem to be more indignant about childrens autonomy.
Yall complain about boomers, religiopolitical conservatives, capitaists, etc but when I suggest abolishing the bullshit ideals of "innocence" and unbridled natalism, you all grt pissy.

 No.1860705

>>1860703
typical manchild.
Debunking the Victorian institutionalisation of childhood is like sucking out the oxygen from Earths atmosphere for you all.
Youd rather try to find some vicarious reparartion for unfulfilld childhood adventures (within frame of capitalist option) than allow kids the free will of precociousness.

 No.1860708

>>1860675
>Lets be honest: you all would never be accepted by the original left.

Who gives a fuck? It's dead and not coming back.

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>>1860703
You imageboard users are all 20-35 yet youre all sorts of fucked up.
Yall cannot cook, clean, do basic taxes, hold down a job, etc.
Yet you think youre all resolved because of your age?

Im sorry but the capitalist idea of age-based maturation is about making eternal consumers.

 No.1860713

>>1860711

>>>/libertarian/

 No.1860714

>>1860505
>The issue isn't large landowners, it's that they're white!

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>>1860711
>Yall cannot cook, clean, do basic taxes, hold down a job, etc.

Speak for yourself, I've held down this job for years to the point of burnout, and I still mop, vacuum, dust, and cook for myself.

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>>1860711
>Yall cannot cook, clean, do basic taxes, hold down a job, etc
Your arguments are based on some false belief you have about us lmao, what a dummy.

 No.1860719

>>1860705
Just admit you're a LARPer who fetishizes work for work's sake and doesn't actually give a fuck about the basic point of literally any coherent left-wing or post-left ideology period, which is quality of fucking life and not dying horribly

 No.1860721

>>1860630
>>1860571
>>1860675
>>1860705
>pedophile grindset/priorities

 No.1860723

>>1860675
Okay calm down there Agatha Trunchbull

 No.1860724

>>1860711
i promise you I'm better at this capitalism shit than you too

 No.1860725

>>1860688
>And knowing you guys you only follow Marx and engels on certain things.

Good. Marx is to the modern left what Newton was to physics: foundational, but not fucking infallible or someone who addressed everyting

 No.1860727

>>1860688
One example at the end of chapter 9 of capital vol. 1 in response to the purportedly 'protestant' manner that capitalists speak of disciplining children to capital:
>The labour itself, owing to the feverish haste of the machinery, demands unceasing application of skill and movement, under the control of a watchfulness that never tires, and it seems somewhat hard, to let parents apply the term “idling” to their own children, who, after allowing for meal-times, are fettered for 10 whole hours to
such an occupation, in such an atmosphere…. These children work longer than the labourers in the neighbouring villages…. Such cruel talk about “idleness and vice” ought to be branded as the purest cant, and the most shameless hypocrisy…. That portion of the public, who, about 12 years ago, were struck by the assurance with which, under the sanction of high authority, it was publicly and most
earnestly proclaimed, that the whole net profit of the manufacturer flows from the labour of the last
hour, and that, therefore, the reduction of the working day by one hour, would destroy his net profit, that portion of the public, we say, will hardly believe its own eyes, when it now finds, that the original discovery of the virtues of “the last hour” has since been so far improved, as to include morals as well as profit; so that, if the duration of the labour of children, is reduced to a full 10 hours, their morals, together with the net profits of their employers, will vanish, both being dependent on this last, this fatal hour.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch09.htm
Here marx is also implying the extra exploitation of children in such positions in how they work harder than some men.
I cant find anything in retrospect by engels exceot this from principles of communism talking about policy:
>(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother’s care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together.
This ties into a later context of marx's in capital where he speaks about how many children are made to work by their families which means they cant go to school, which upsets marx

But i am not a marxist ideologue either and i think child labour can be acceptable. The issue though is that even with older children the parents inherently assume the position of the landlord who extract rents, thus reproducing the bourgeois family structure. I think a kid who's able to work and keep his money is a progressive move though.

 No.1860735

>>1860721
>kids having jobs is equivalent to pedophilia

ngmi

>>1860718
you say this while pposting on a website where people whine about being depressed and unkempt.

>>1860724
proof?

>>1860719
most "left" wing philsophy I see on here is just gibsmedats.

> state mandated gf

> more affirmative action for colleges
> increased minimum wage for fast food jobs

Meanwhile, more important things like DIY farming, parental licensing, etc are scrapped

 No.1860738

Child labor is fine as long as people can retire at 35.

 No.1860739

>this thread has degenerated into MAGA schizo and child labor incel obsessively stirring up shit every week

at least ThingNoticer was fun to laugh at

 No.1860740

>>1860727
Children are alwasy unappreciated for the work they do.
Amd when they sre acknowledged it usually is because of some major crisis.


Ironically, the people who avcuse the youth of being lazy are usually out of touch adults whom are too self absorbed.
Or because the youth are barred from autonomy.

Whatever the case, innocence/incompetence in youth is less ilbiologically determined than it is sociologically determined.

The minimum age of maturaity has went up.
People spend longer time as children now due to liability laws

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 No.1860742

>>1860735
>most "left" wing philsophy I see on here is just gibsmedats.
Are you sure you know where you are?
Take your Christian servility tf out of here.

 No.1860743

>>1860738
Make it forty and you have yourself a deal.
And also mandatory screening for potential parents.

 No.1860747

>>1860742

Your entitlement syndrome is based on Christian "servility" dumbass.

 No.1860756

>>1860735
>ngmi
says the pedophile that can’t hold his “L”

 No.1860759

>>1860756
Ok manchild.
If you ever need a "L" oan for college you know who to call.

 No.1860762

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>>1860759

I wasn't kidding >>1860703

 No.1860763

>>1860740
Well today a lot of parents have a bunch of kids to get gibs from the gubbmint, and marx's historical point is the same about child labour, that children are seen as economic units for parents primarily. Even with household chores and whatnot. It is the disciplining of labour for private ends, and so assumes the bourgeois structure.

 No.1860770

>>1860759
>manchild
we’re separate posters, but no, I wouldn’t let you groom me for college money.

 No.1860772

>>1860762
Based Big Bill. Euromolesters need to keep their child abuse on their side of the pond.

 No.1860776

Also the personal experience of a lot of children is that they are discarded by their parents if they dont get a job and want to do other things, and as soon as they get a 9 to 5 they have to start paying rent and look for their own place. Once the child becomes independent, they are treated like a nuisance.
I even remember once my own parents trying to show how much they loved me by listing all of the things they bought for me. Our relationship always boils down to a spreadsheet calculation. Its disheartening and counter-revolutionary.

 No.1860783

>>1860739
I like 'em better than the fascist cpusa anon and the gay nazi democrat. At least they're socialists, and correct. The inspire debate on the most pressing topics. They don't just fill up our thread with mindless and subjective cultural analysis, but raw and heartless materialist logic.

There are many child-labor pilled socialists in this thread. It ain't just me.

Also, you implying that MAGA poster is schizophrenic is actually quite baseless and fallacious. MAGA poster is one hundred percent correct and has yet to be proven wrong.

 No.1860787

>>1860783 (You)
>There are many child-labor pilled socialists in this thread.
There are also many child-labor pilled theorists within the history of the Communist movement, namely Karl Marx. Utopian bourgeois socialists BTFO.

 No.1860791

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>>1860783
>child-labor pilled socialists

This has to be bait, you sound pathetic.

 No.1860794

>>1860791
He is baiting.

 No.1860795

>>1860787
Let's castrate all the Europeans so they can't reproduce their mental illnesses such as piety and emotivism.

 No.1860796

>child labor
man the glowies really are scraping the bottom of the barrel for most ridiculous arguments to derail conversations with

 No.1860799

>>1860787
>(you)
<not me
FAKE NEWS

 No.1860801

>>1860794
>>1860794
Hard to tell with Sarah Huckabee Sanders posting ITT

 No.1860802

>>1860739
Whatever happened to Satan-Nazi? She'd be a breath of fresh air at this point

 No.1860805

Recent college graduates unable to find jobs

 No.1860806

>>1860805
OH SAY CAN YOU SEEEEE

 No.1860811

>>1860807
Pretending to be a reactionary retard should be a bannable offense

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 No.1860815

>>1860811
It is. You should be reporting him for that and him constantly spamming the same bait.

 No.1860819

Why Job Listing Qualifications Feel Absurd

 No.1860821

>>1860807
That quote is saying that child labor has to be strictly regulated and incorporated into education, which is to say vocational training. This is not the same thing as 10 year olds packing meat.

 No.1860829

>>1860821
moreover, children's education needs to be seen as a form of labor, and be paid accordingly. They indeed stay in a specially designated building for many hours of their day, and even have to take back home-work

 No.1860830

>>1860783
>>1860787
>>1860807
Most of these anti-child labor folks are projecting their unfulfilled inner child. They dont really care about childrens welfare at all.
They think parents are automatically innocent until proven guilty.

Their philosophy of leftism revolves around being owed luxury itms for their arrested development rather than amenities and labor programs to get them into productive mmbers.

Notice how they always shill fr more college reparations while decrying college studemts as bourgeoise.
They think procreation should be freely allowed while calling for abortion and tighter liability laws concerning children.

>>1860776
Mot parents see their kids as nuissnces after the kids starts walking and talking.
But this is why I advocate for mandatory screening for potential parents.


>>1860762
>>1860791
irony is mosy of these "think of the children" are the biggest robbersof childhood playtime.
Proposing free-range bans on kids out of fear of juvenile delinquency or pedophiles.
Also teens dont count as kids needing playtime.

>>1860770
Most cases of "grooming" is often socially incompentent young adults whom are emasculated by helicopter parenting.
Very few cases of actual children being molested are even counted as grooming nowadays.

 No.1860831

>>1860821
>>1860807
He also dishonestly left out the part at the beginning where he qualifies that statement.

 No.1860835

>>1860829
Children should also be paid by their parents for doing chores. Communists should be teaching kids to go on strike until their parents fairly compensate them.

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>>1860830
>Most cases of "grooming" is often socially incompentent young adults whom are emasculated by helicopter parenting.
>Very few cases of actual children being molested are even counted as grooming nowadays.

 No.1860840

>>1860811
From your lips to mods' ears

 No.1860841

>>1860835
The point is that it rolls over into erasing wage differentials for "skilled labor", a doctor is no longer paid 3x what the average factory worker is just for being skilled and having a degree, because instead they were paid to take their time to get educated

 No.1860842

>>1860816
Wrong. You're doing the same cuck shit Christians do by removing the epistle from its context.

 No.1860845

>>1860838
did I stutter?
Its the truth.
Alot of these cases of grooming are mainly young adults whom went along with some fellow weirdo into parasocial relationships due to lack of social life due to helicopter parenting.

These socially stunted youngsters will them cry RAPE when they hear about some of their peers achieving a healthy (although temporary) relationship.

The definition of a child is now being extended to mid-twenties nowadays.

 No.1860847

>>1860829
Wrong. Only reactionaries want to extend the wage system. Read this and kill yourself for reproducing European culture.

 No.1860848

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>>1860845
>Alot of these cases of grooming are mainly young adults whom went along with some fellow weirdo into parasocial relationships due to lack of social life due to helicopter parenting.
>These socially stunted youngsters will them cry RAPE when they hear about some of their peers achieving a healthy (although temporary) relationship.
>The definition of a child is now being extended to mid-twenties nowadays.

 No.1860850

>>1860829
>>1860847
<At the same time, and quite apart from the general servitude involved in the wages system, the working class ought not to exaggerate to themselves the ultimate working of these everyday struggles. They ought not to forget that they are fighting with effects, but not with the causes of those effects; that they are retarding the downward movement, but not changing its direction; that they are applying palliatives, not curing the malady. They ought, therefore, not to be exclusively absorbed in these unavoidable guerilla fights incessantly springing up from the never ceasing encroachments of capital or changes of the market. They ought to understand that, with all the miseries it imposes upon them, the present system simultaneously engenders the material conditions and the social forms necessary for an economical reconstruction of society. Instead of the conservative motto: “A fair day's wage for a fair day's work!” they ought to inscribe on their banner the revolutionary watchword: “Abolition of the wages system!"

 No.1860852

>>1860835
>>1860829
🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is retarded. Way to shoot yourself in the foot.


>>1860849

finally some common semse.
Hate to quote the tiresome cliche but "common semse isnt so common" definitely applies to the current left.

 No.1860853

>>1860849
>The matter is finally settled through reasoned debate. I say we report and ban all the bourgeois socialists who distract us by incessantly pressing this settled issue, those who seek to enamor us with their bourgeois moralism.




LeftyPol runs on bourgeoise leftism unfortunately.
They glorify lumpenprole behavior as revolutionary.
They think whores and gangbangers should be uplifted.

 No.1860854

>>1860849
>Still leaves out the context.
it's obvious you're doing it on purpose now.
The line is right after that one.

 No.1860855

>>1860849
>in a few words, because it is historically and socially necessary.
Sorry, you're gonna need more words for that,and if you cite religion we're going to feed you to the pigs.
>Wrong. It does not add context. See for yourself.
>material analysis of the actual means of production as done by Braverman (1965) is not context
>history is not context
>Europe is not context
>You are just in denial.
Whatever, conservatard. Keep larping dead history.
> You are not a scientific socialist. Read Marx.
Kill yourself for trying to reproduce 19th century Germany and English political economy instead of abolishing them.

 No.1860856

>>1860852
>Hate to quote the tiresome cliche but "common semse isnt so common" definitely applies to the current left.
Reported for reifying "common sense" as something more than a contingent shared opinion

 No.1860860

>>1860859
Reported for bait

 No.1860861

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>>1860859
>you laugh but this is the truth.
>Most cases of grooming that are reported are often socially deprived young adults who should know better but were deprived of free range play. And its mainly a problem in North America and Southeast Asia.

>Look at the average postboomer adult.

>Gen X and Millennials have fucked up the yputh evn more than Baby Boomers.
>Gen X arent called the slacker generation for nothing.
>They normalised slobbiness and snark for adolescent expression.
>Millennials furthered this with their obnoxious positivity mixed in with Gen X nihilism and sympathising clumsiness in the twenties and thirties.

>They are advocating "brain development" to absolve young people from basic responsbility.

 No.1860867

>>1860849
It produces a tangible change in the most important part of the means of production, the laborer themselves. The laborer's work is more valuable because it consumed labor hours to educate them if it is not paid for.

 No.1860868

>>1860807
there is not single person on this board or thread who wants you here just leave you reactionary irredeemably liberal smoothbrain

 No.1860870

>>1860867
>the most important part of the means of production, the laborer themselves
inb4 they make really dumb arguments over this point, which can be refuted by pointing out that doctors and barbers do labor on people too

 No.1860873

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There's an article in The Atlantic (very establishment lib magazine) blaming the 9/11 attacks on Saudi Arabia based on some new court filing in a case by 9/11 families. Well the story laid out here is not that it was "the Saudis" really, but fundamentalists in the religious establishment who controlled the judiciary, the Ministry of Islamic Affairs (which supervises the mosques), and an array of NGOs to propagate Wahhabism abroad including the World Muslim League. These guys also had an apparatus to deploy religious affairs people abroad under diplomatic cover – and those were the guys who set up the 9/11 attacks and handled the hijackers' visas and residences.

The article claims the House of Saud didn't really get it. They didn't really govern the country much at all on a day-to-day basis (that's for commoners), they *ruled* the country. It sounds very feudal. The Saudis ruled, and they handed off the governing to others, including the religious establishment. The fundamentalists within that establishment had loads of money to fund jihadis in wars from Afghanistan to Bosnia. (Not mention: Chechnya.) And they were true believers and had the same ideology as Bin Laden. The Saud family started to freak out after an attack in 2003 in Riyadh that killed 39 people and then started to crack down.
https://archive.ph/68sf0

 No.1860874

>>1860870
You have to pay them for that at the time it is delivered.
A student does not get paid during the production process in which they take critical part and insteead society is instead expeected to pay them back afterwards in proportion to the amount that was invested.

 No.1860877

>>1860873
I fuckin hate the atlantic but if anything if a bunch of people who are your typical lib imperialist news media is saying it this bluntly then the prolly even worse. Wahhabis remind alot evangelicals since there both absolutely unhinged fundamentalists that always seem to aligned with empire.

 No.1860879

>>1860874
I agree. I'm saying the person you're arguing with will probably make some dumb argument.

 No.1860880

>>1860877
The Atlantic is really bad for sure but that's why it's interesting to me that they're saying it.

 No.1860883

>>1860608
Boomers ironically made more money working these fast food jobs relative to inflation than millennials

 No.1860884

>>1860883
Speaking of boomers, has anyone ever wanted to throw a bowling ball at a boomer's stomach in minecraft?

 No.1860886

>>1860883
I’m lucky that, for all their faults, my parents are at least aware the economy has changed, if only because they’ve struggled through it too. My daily dose of Boomerism is customers claiming Cost of Living in Cali is high because of illegal immigrants buying all the homes and that they won’t pay a fucking ten cent bag fee because they’re “protesting Adolf Newsom’s government.”
>>1860884
Closest I got was screaming in a Karen’s face and getting us both kicked out of the floor.

 No.1860898

friendly reminder that generations are a marketing term and that the capitalists fucked us, not the boomers

 No.1860899

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WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYTHING REQUIRE SO MUCH EXPERIENCE. I USED TO SEE EVERY JOB REQUIRING 3-5 YEARS EXP, NOW ITS MORE LIKE 8-10. LIKE EVERY YEAR THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE REQUIRED GOES UP BY 1 YEAR TOO

WHEN THE FUCK IS THE AMERICAN PROLETARIAT GONNA WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GETTING FUCKING ROBBED AN ALWAYS WILL BE?????????!!

 No.1860906

> WHEN THE FUCK IS THE AMERICAN PROLETARIAT GONNA WAKE UP TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE GETTING FUCKING ROBBED AN ALWAYS WILL BE?????????!!
They're being distracted by the "culture war", Ukraine, Israel/Palestine, and whatever the fuck the brainwash media wants them to be afraid of next.
Bourgeois have convinced most there is no need for change, or not radical change, as most social causes have been recuperated to hell and back…

 No.1860907

>>1860873
Neocon Zionist publication fingers House of Saud? Shock

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>>1860907
To be fair, one of the co-authors is a Quincy Institute guy which is just about the closest thing to a multipolarist think-tank in the U.S.

https://quincyinst.org/author/steven-simon/

 No.1860923

>>1860911
I was optimistic, but from the rest of the article it seems the change these people want is reactionary, not progressive, as they appear to be mostly Trump supporters.

 No.1860926

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The Blob does not like Quincy either.

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>>1860898
Record numbers of elder people homeless? Must be the boomers? Credit score fucking you? Must be the boomers.

Generations are a point of division intentionally created to break class solidarity, don't fall for this psychic weapon.

 No.1860934

>>1860921
>Soros-Koch think tank
Nah every single think tank needs to be land reformed

 No.1860936

>>1860923
They may not be so attached to their theories of change,

>>1860926
>US Naval Institute
The entire inetrnational relations community also needs to be land reformed, to the "Are you now or have you ever been" level

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 No.1860942

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>>1860928
I think the main problem people have with boomers is they voted en masse for people like Ronald Reagan and indirectly for policies like housing NIMBYism, decreasing funding for education, etc. There is a certain stereotype of a white baby boomer of the Jerry Rubin type, who participated in 1960s counter culture and then upon turning 30 turned around and voted for Reagan, became an upwardly mobile upper middle class yuppie, i.e. benefitted from fordist keynesianism and then spent their careers privatizing shit and drinking the marrow of the poors (or voting for those who did so).

The fact is yes, it is idpol to "blame boomers" but not all analysis of generations is idpol. It is an objective fact that baby boomers are wealthier as a generation than younger ones and that plays a part in forming average level of class consciousness compared with younger ones.

 No.1860945

>>1860942
May I suggest the more material term "cohort" instead of "generation"?

 No.1860949

>>1860942
I think this is a fair and well rounded take, but I find myself falling for the whole "fuck the boomers" thing myself, more than I'd like.

 No.1860950

>>1860936
>They may not be so attached to their theories of change
Maybe, but I feel these are more the types of freaks who want government run "like a business" and whatnot than anything else, and I don't know that it transitions well to communist revolution.
Sorry I'm not trying to be a doomer, I just think we need to take a sober look at our current predicament if we want to make any successful changes.

 No.1860951

>>1860942
Pretty good summation. Of course that doesn’t mean you should hate boomers as a rule (there are plenty of boomer communists that had their skulls cracked by rightists back in the day, for example) but I think analyzing the broader generational culture is valid. Personally working with the public I’ve noticed that it seems Boomers have kind of internalized neoliberalism and consumer culture. Not every boomer is a dick, and not every dick is a boomer, but the stereotype of some geriatric acting like service workers are their personal slave or embracing a “fuck you, I got mine” attitude exists for a reason.

 No.1860962

>>1860951
Boomer is now a state of mind.

 No.1860970

>>1860942
There's actually a lot more specific things behind the boomers' particular politics, including a lot of culturally specific things (still ultimately reducible to material conditions for the most part). But in terms of current conditions today, it's worth noting that a lot of boomers keep their money invested in the stock market as their retirement plan, so they are motivated on a personal level to vote for policies that benefit shareholders vs workers.

 No.1860985

ngl I admittedly get teary eyed thinking/reading about the strongly religious component of abolitionism in the US

 No.1860990

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Imagine a burger. AmeriKKKa has reclined.

 No.1860993

>>1860990
IMAGINE BEING AT WAGES
SO FAT YOU LOOK AND SEE FOOD

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>>1860990
>Big Macs per hour
mosd amerigan unid i hab eber seen

 No.1861000

>>1860990
To be fair it gives us a good contrast on how Trickle Down Amerikkka has declined!

 No.1861008

>>1860990
>>1860995

FUCK
METRIC
UNITS

 No.1861010

>>1860942
relevant vid "The White Baby Boomers Had So Much Money"

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 No.1861015

>>1860985
While Solidarity Forever is the overall better version of the song, the line
>As Christ died to make men holy, let us die to set men free
just hits different.

 No.1861019

>>1861015
no it doesn't lol
Jesus was fine with slavery even though he lived after numerous slave revolts in the Roman Empire, most notably the one led by Spartacus.

 No.1861022

>>1861019
I was more referring to the second half
But you shouldn't buy into Roman propaganda about Jesus of Nazareth

 No.1861031

>>1861010
>>1860970
Boomers experienced a particularly unique form of imperialism wherein the beneficiaries of policies that put American post-WWII manufacturing dominance to its fullest with full-employment national policies that were directly tied to impoverishment elsewhere in the world. This most directly happened with agriculture where other countries even had to make quotas that would guarantee the US had a share in their market, effectively forcing small rural peasants to compete with major farms using modern combine harvesters. This put them in a uniquely permanent labor shortage market domestically and gave their surplus exports a competitive advantage backed by threats of devastating sanctions.

Then came the 70's, Nixon canceled the gold standard, and international currency value wars resulted in these same boomers getting to experience dirt cheap imports as the consumer market, whose real cost in inflation was forcibly paid for by much of the rest of the world, again. Effectively a credit card they only ever had to pay back in partial.

And now, decades later, social security, paid for by the younger generations, who are now making a fraction of what they did, have to support what could have easily already been huge savings accounts.

It's not identity politics to point out that a large group of people who experienced literally decades with a very warped view of their money does compared to every single other person's is going to be strongly compelled to act different.

 No.1861040

>>1861019
Holy means knowing one's place in the cosmos.

>>1861022
Ah, I see you are a man of Flavian culture as well

>>1861031
Thank God it's almost over. Not that I expect a retirement until the revolution and not for a while after that.

 No.1861043

>>1861031
>It's not identity politics to point out that a large group of people who experienced literally decades with a very warped view of their money does compared to every single other person's is going to be strongly compelled to act different.
It is to act like a proletarian boomer is different from a proletarian zoomer.

 No.1861044

>>1860942
> It is an objective fact that baby boomers are wealthier as a generation than younger ones
because they were born at the perfect time after WW2 to reap the benefits for the dying New Deal

 No.1861045

>>1860985
Nothing wrong with that. Shit I’ve gotten a bit teary eyed reading some psalms. A lot of the Christian religion deals with suffering on a deeply personal level, struggling against the seeming absence of God, seeing truly awful horrors, yet living on in spite of that.

>>1860970
Yknow to bring up marketing terms, I think Boomers were in a really weird kind of transitional generation. This isn’t a serious study of the generation, but something I noticed is that the Boomers parents in the greatest/silent generation seem to have developed a kind of collectivity, a notion of service: be it to the nation, the working class, the faith, you name it. But that same collectivity was and is dangerous to Capitalism, hence Mag Thatcher saying shit like “there’s no such thing as society.” The greatest generation at least had some discipline, some concept of a “greater good” or public service.

The various social movements in the US at the time, spearheaded by Boomers mostly, also played a pretty big role in shaping their views I imagine. I’m not even talking about the hippies. Evangelicalism caught the Boomer generation by storm, and its whole theology is premised on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, rather than one mediated through the Church. And while Catholics were broadly known as the more organized and politically active sect of Christianity in America, the old Protestant parishes could act as spokes upon which the wheel of communal and religious life revolved: whether it was progressive or reactionary depended on locales often enough. Black Churches and some Protestant sects in the south could carry a message of desegregation and Christian love, while there were also plenty of other churches operating as means of organizing opposition to desegregation efforts—LBJ had to threaten them with revoking their tax free status to get them to stop. The history of the Boomers could ultimately be seen as the death of collectivism in America. It’s not entirely their fault, they grew up with unrivaled economic prosperity, a capitalism that was promoting consumption for its own sake (“Fine China” is a perfect example) and their parents came from wholly different experiences and may not have been able to properly raise them in such an environment (there’s a fine line between “I want to give my kids the life I never had” and outright spoiling them).

That puts us, the Millennials and Zoomers, in a really awkward spot. We’re the scions of a hyper-individualistic, consumerist culture, right when the money is all gone and the loan sharks are knocking on the door. I don’t imagine our parents prepared us for the brutal world we’re entering because they quite literally come from a time when everything was good and getting better, there was this feeling that history was progressing rather than stagnating. I think the task ahead of us is to resurrect a kind of collectivism and discipline. As of right now though, we’re still thinking individualistically; stoicism is making a comeback in part because it can act as a salve to the individual, it promises an individualized reprieve from the suffering we see around us. But the only solution is through rediscovering collectivism, solidarity, service to others, not merely hardening yourself to the pain. I don’t know how we accomplish it, all I can imagine is we’ll need some amount of ritual that we engage in collectively to discipline ourselves, but that’s the best I got.

 No.1861051

>>1861043
The better chunk of the boomer proles, for quite a while, were indeed being paid wages that were above their value contribution to society because it was part of deliberately made policy to do so.
They did not consume solely of their own labor, in real value terms. That puts them in a pretty distinct category from zoomer proles who no longer are the broad recipients of this process.

 No.1861055

>>1861045
>servility is all I got
Then stop posting

 No.1861068

>>1861051
>They did not consume solely of their own labor, in real value terms.
None of this has anything to do with your class position.

 No.1861078

>>1861055
>”But I don’t WANT to go to Church, mom! I wanna play Caw of Dooty!”

 No.1861083

>>1861045
>>1861078
You really are a christofash pretending to be a socialist.
Not a single christian can be truly trusted, frankly.

 No.1861085

>>1861078
Angloids and your child abuse induced hallucinations, I swear

 No.1861086

>>1861083
>Not a single christian can be truly trusted, frankly.
<Matt 10:16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

 No.1861088

>>1861068
The very differentiation between a petty bourg and a self-employed laborer is pretty much whether or not they are also taking the fruits of others' labor.

 No.1861097

>>1861083
>>1861085
lol.

Rituals aren’t just exclusive to religion dummy. There are plenty of secular rituals out there, including ones practiced by Communists. That you immediately shat yourself and whined about servility or Fascism—no doubt because you had some flashback to being dragged to Church early in the morning on a Sunday—reinforces my point. To a consumer, including a consumer of ideology such as you, the idea of taking maybe an hour out of your day to indulge in a little symbolic ceremony is horrifying.

 No.1861103

>>1861097
>the idea of taking maybe an hour out of your day to indulge in a little symbolic ceremony is horrifying.
Confucians are literally superficial robots

 No.1861118

>>1861103
Thank you, you gave me the topic of my next effort post I think. Anarchists never achieve much, but socialists can thank you for being a whetstone to sharpen our ideas.

 No.1861166

>>1860899
>WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYTHING REQUIRE SO MUCH EXPERIENCE. I USED TO SEE EVERY JOB REQUIRING 3-5 YEARS EXP, NOW ITS MORE LIKE 8-10. LIKE EVERY YEAR THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE REQUIRED GOES UP BY 1 YEAR TOO
The answer is very simple. It's Bidenomics. It's all Bidler's fault. Unemployment is sharply rising thanks to Bidenomics. Employers have wider labor markets and reduce labor costs when they drop all criteria other than years slaved to capital (work experience)

 No.1861178

does this really happen in america? what if there was turbulence in the flight, would the lobsters just fly everywhere? lol 🦞

 No.1861183

>>1861178
wtf how have they made the chairs even more cramped

 No.1861185

>>1858425
Hey, you are never going to get a totalizing representation of either camps, even amongst academics. In truth, it is good for people who have incoherent ideas to try and hash things out to normalize public dialogue. Lest we devolve into Years of Lead type stuff. I really would not prefer that.

 No.1861189

>>1859094
Anon, if you are in an environment that doesn't affirm your health and humanity first, you should leave that environment. That is just my opinion.

 No.1861205

>>1860942
frankly i think nowadays when people blame things on "boomers" sure in abstract they're blaming the generation the baby boomers but specifically they're blaming the white bourgeois because, on top of the media representation of the white baby boomer bourgeois being disproportionate, i think it's important to note that the poor baby boomers are dead because poor people die way sooner

 No.1861207

>>1860813
>i and i sleep
yeah me too tbh

 No.1861208

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 No.1861218

Libs are starting to go full-steam with the "Biden has no control over Israel" gaslighting, so just a friendly reminder:

>Since the invasion, the US has vetoed three separate UN ceasefire resolutions

>Biden has not once publicly voiced a direct criticism of any of Israel's military actions
>The Biden administration is in the process of approving a $1 billion weapons deal with Israel, despite saying just weeks ago that the US would not provide Israel arms for its Rafah invasion
>Biden just hours ago criticized the ICC for seeking an arrest warrant for Netanyahu and said Israel is not committing a genocide
>Biden called the campus protests "antisemitic" and has multiple times endorsed the nationwide police crackdown on protesters
>The Biden administration cut off funding for the UNRWA
>There are credible reports that Blinken greenlit the Rafah invasion in exchange for a minimal retaliation for Iran's missile attacks

The US is not only complicit in the ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign; it is an active and willing participant.

 No.1861225

>>1859311
“No that’s socialism!”

 No.1861230

>>1861218
to say that us has no power over Israel would have been considered a anti semitic conspiracy theory by the same libs a year ago

 No.1861233

>>1861218
ZOG theory but make it leftoid

 No.1861234

>>1860942
Are you just saying that boomers are kulaks?

 No.1861236

>>1860942
>>1860949
>"class" analysis focusing not on class lines but on generations is not idpol
never change leftoidpol

 No.1861239

File: 1716285560316.jpg (55.22 KB, 452x604, 1453439510949.jpg)

The reason older people are 'conservative' relative to the youngsters isn't because their mind is 'perverted' by 'propaganda', but because they've developed into mature bourgeois citizens with a stake in existing societal relations. Most young people today will eventually settle down in life and acquire assets and property, causing whatever faux-radicalism they had to evaporate too. This isn't even exclusive to the US, or the 'first-world'.

 No.1861241

>>1861239
>but because they've developed into mature bourgeois citizens
How much of the population do you think own means of production?

 No.1861243

you know for commies you sure do not know how to do a class analyses, the reason universities are filled with young leftists is because students are usually poor.

the reason boomers sold out is because they benefited by buying a house, having kids and living the good life that is cut off from later generations

 No.1861244

>>1860990
Come to think of it; why are most US Presidents skinny when most Americans are fat?

 No.1861247

>>1861243
>you know for commies you sure do not know how to do a class analyses
hey hey go easy on the burgers, lad.

 No.1861248

the burgers often don't know better, see?

 No.1861253

>>1861045
Fuck your creepy christian cult bro

 No.1861266

File: 1716292123438-0.pdf (455.96 KB, 197x255, devaus2017.pdf)

>>1860517
it's a broader phenomenon. generally speaking, there's a greater focus on cataloguing and categorizing individual mental illnesses and disorders in the west compared to east asian countries. pdfrel goes into more detail, and you should check it out, it's an interesting read

 No.1861268

>>1861218
That's what liberals do. They gaslight with
>our favorite huggy-wuggy UWU powitician has no controwww

Which is hilarious, because in the cases in which that is actually true, it's just a tacit admission that their systems don't work all that well except when it comes to surplus extraction and beating the living shit out of dissenters.

 No.1861269

>>1861166
Zoomer, I saw this happen under Obama and Trump too. It's been slowly getting worse for fifteen years.

 No.1861270

>>1861269
umm chvd did you just fvcking say vooting doesnt work? if joe boymoder wins another election america will literally turn into a heckin fascist dictatorship you fvcking bidenomics denying chvd im gonna post this on the maga schizophrenic support group whatsapp democracy has fallen

 No.1861326

File: 1716296216865.png (114.74 KB, 534x916, BB1mJPkQ.png)

>the party of "limited government"
>opposes withholding taxes as a form of protest more than democrats
Can't make this shit up. Republicans want you to lick the boot. Democrats are willing to let you disinfect the boot before you lick it

 No.1861369

>>1861243
"Class analysis" is cope for chunderheaded sportsball fans who are so enslaved they can't move without being ordered to by someone else.

 No.1861375

>>1861369
i think you're on a higher level of dialectics sis, what the fuck are you talking about

 No.1861413

File: 1716300643262.png (1.11 MB, 1024x576, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1861375
99% of "class analysis" is actually class construction, i.e. mythmaking. It is made almost entirely of performative moral indignation and historical coup-counting. Historical materialist (i.e. the study of what you can do with what you have) analysis is almost never present in a meaningful form. And class analysis almost always assumes a posture of nostalgic revanchism, not revolutionary pragmatism.

 No.1861415

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 No.1861420

>>1861415
Okay chinlet, I'll explain it to you. MY system of class analysis is VALID, CORRECT, and HECKIN BASED.

You're all stink lords who think you're Marxists, but guess what? You're not!

When I was reading Capital, Marx came to me from the heavens upon the wings of an angel and gave me two gold stone tablets on which were written the very core of his analysis.

You must acknowledge me as 300 times as smart as you are, because I have integrated quantum theory into my critique of society. I have transcended time itself and live with greater beings on another plane.

 No.1861428

>>1861420
>class analysis
>material analysis
You can only pick one

 No.1861429

>>1861428
This should be a sufficent response for your puny mortal mind

 No.1861430

>>1861244
< In addition to these “firsts,” Taft was also the largest president at 6 feet 2 inches and approximately 325 pounds. He apparently was very good natured about his size. Before becoming president, he once visited a small town on legal business. After his meeting, he learned that the next train would not arrive for several hours, although a fast train would run through in an hour. He therefore wired the railroad superintendent to ask if the fast train would stop for a “large party.” The superintendent agreed. When Taft boarded the train, he remarked to the bewildered conductor, “You can go ahead; I am the large party.”

 No.1861432

>>1861429
>games are important institutions
Burger brain confirmed

 No.1861444

>>1861432
>>1861428
Have we stumbled upon a bot

 No.1861448

>>1861244
Burgerreich proleslop is so overloaded with sugar that it's virtually guaranteed.
https://weather.com/news/news/2018-10-03-fruit-so-sweet-zoo-stopped-feeding-them-to-animals

>“The issue is the cultivated fruits have been genetically modified to be much higher in sugar content than their natural, ancestral fruits,” said Michael Lynch, the Melbourne Zoo's head veterinarian, in the Sydney Morning Herald.


What do you think is in the processed foods that an overworked single parent gives to their kids

 No.1861451

>>1861444
There have been some weird chatGPT like responses in some of these threads, making responses that make little sense. Don't discount the possibility that it's a bot.

 No.1861453

File: 1716305319931.png (72.03 KB, 194x259, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1861448
>natural, ancestral fruits
Here's your natural, ancestral fruit bro.
Cultivation and selective breeding are good things. They're why we have wheat, barley, rice, etc instead of grass. The problem is if you selectively breed for lots of sugar as opposed to more vitamins or fiber or anything else.

 No.1861471

>>1861453
>They're why we have wheat, barley, rice, etc instead of grass
>he thinks cereals have been a good thing
Absolutely retarded state-worshipping take.

 No.1861475

>>1861444
>anyone that questions my heroic drama is a bot
4/10 performance of structural ignorance. Kill yourself for not ruthlessly critiquing ALL that exists.

 No.1861485

File: 1716308331581.png (367 KB, 640x333, ClipboardImage.png)

>>1861471
ok
cultivation is why we have any of the crops we eat today, those are just bigger ones. if you want good examples, see picrel. new worlders did a lot better at domesticating cultivars tbh.

 No.1861487

>>1861471
Having a state is a good thing actually

 No.1861489

>>1861178
turbulence is rarely enough to make everything fly everywhere. Usually turbulence is just a little discomfort

 No.1861497

>>1861475
bro is a bot lol here guys I'll try and get message across
<beep beep boop bopalop beep eeeppppp meeep boopboop

 No.1861499

>>1861471
>growing grains= nation-state
so is cultivating rice,potatoes and casava fine or just poaceae?

 No.1861501

RELEASE THE SPIDERS

 No.1861506

>>1861501
letsss gooo spidey time

 No.1861507

File: 1716309252627-0.jpg (24.2 KB, 640x511, s-l640.jpg)

>>1861243
>college kids are usually poor
Lol, lmao.

Fake quote I know but it is so true.

They just go from
>why can't everyone be as rich as me?
To
<I sure as hell wont be as poor as everyone else

In short order. If you believe all tgese college kids who never did anything for anybody really care I bet you believe Gates and Zuckerberg are some kind of epic philanthropists.

Besides, nothing as incel as being a college conservative.

 No.1861509

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 No.1861512

>>1861499
Ruce is a grain bruh.

Potatoes are basically a grain.
https://www.potatonewstoday.com/2024/05/04/potatoes-will-remain-classified-as-a-vegetable-not-a-grain-senator-says/

>Spuds won’t be considered a starch following protests from more than a dozen senators. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) said she received assurances Wednesday that potatoes will not be reclassified as a grain, a move she feared would give the impression that one of Maine’s key crops is unhealthy, as Rebecca Beitsch reports for The Hill.


>Collins said she had received a call from U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) Secretary Tom Vilsack to relay the news following concerns about reclassification raised by both a group of bipartisan senators and the National Potato Council.

 No.1861516

>>1861512
starch =/= grain
The term "grain" refers to the part of the plant. Potatoes are a different part.

 No.1861526

File: 1716310269925.jpg (5.39 KB, 187x269, images(4).jpg)

>>1861516
The grain is the fruit dumbo. Grain is more of a reference to how the final product is prepared and used vs any strict biological definition which is why you can call potatoes a grain although less commonly prepared that way than other grains.

 No.1861530

>>1861485
Left side of that picture is fine, right side is kinda sus

>>1861487
>having an imaginary friend that owns you is a good thing actually
All gods must be killed.

>>1861497
It's a common middle-class performative act to feign ignorance or misunderstanding. It's actually hilarious that anyone over 15 still thinks that works.

 No.1861535

>>1861499
>so is cultivating rice,potatoes and casava fine or just poaceae?
Come to think of it, societies that cultivated those crops tended not to form great ego-states, because they were not so easily distributed. Those might be OK.

>>1861507
The whole purpose of the university, and education in general, is class formation. All that "human capital", "learning skills" talk is secondary or supporting at best.

>>1861512
>>1861471 (me)
You will kindly note I said "cereal"

 No.1861544

File: 1716311387396-0.png (286.42 KB, 641x600, 534859083495.png)

>Former President Donald Trump on Monday deleted a social media video that referenced the phrase "Unified Reich" after his critics said the phrase mirrors that of Nazi Germany. The phrase "Unified Reich" appears as a part of hypothetical news articles in the video that announce Trump's hypothetical victory in the 2024 election, with the narrator asking, "What happens after Donald Trump wins?" Under a big headline that says, "WHAT'S NEXT FOR AMERICA?" there is a smaller headline that appears to read: "INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED DRIVEN BY THE CREATION OF A UNIFIED REICH."

 No.1861547

>>1861544
Oh so now you can't just compare yourself to the nazis without the tolerant left on Truth Media cancelling you. I thought this was 'Muerica

 No.1861567

>>1861453
Wow! Almost like you pointed out the extremely obvious thing that was exactly being said!

 No.1861590

>>1861544
>>1861547
So you means to tell me I cant just be a Nazi no more?

 No.1861594

>>1861590
You are what you are by your actions. It doesnt matter what you think or believe.

 No.1861597

>>1861544
America is already the 4th reich

you mean to tell me the country that forces people into reservations is fascist?

Only people who say this shit are of the PMC class. I would love to know at what point in American history did America stop being fascist for anyone who isn't a mayo.

 No.1861605

>>1861471
based ancient Sumerian Anarchist

 No.1861610

>>1861544
I mean you'd say this is their full "mask off" moment if there hadn't been so many already.
And so many done by BOTH parties honestly.
People understandably think about the issues with Gaza these days but its worth remembering the shit the dems correctly called
<"Concentration Camps"
at the border are still in operation under Biden and will be no matter who wins in november.
Police surpressing public protest,
Saber radling WWIII with China,
Extreme violent policies against refugees attempting to enter the US.
All this shit is bipartisan at this point and there is no resistance against any of it from any end of the political spectrum.
The US IS the 4th reich, has been for some time.

 No.1861616

>>1861610
>at the border are still in operation under Biden and will be no matter who wins in november.
I 100% bet they are still doing forced sterilizations and hysterectomies as well.

 No.1861619

Trumpen proles be saying the wildest shit

 No.1861621

>>1861562
Keep telling yourself that, how it feels not being able to grasp nothingness?

 No.1861623

>>1861619
the trumpenproletariat

 No.1861625

File: 1716314929433.png (619.37 KB, 1572x1360, Genocide Joe.png)

>>1861544
I think his campaign also did some really obvious dogwhistle, like sign a deal with twitter or whatever for 14 new ads to repeat over 88 days.

>>1861218
Pic related. I hate liberals so much it's unreal.

>>1861239
>Most young people today will eventually settle down in life and acquire assets and property, causing whatever faux-radicalism they had to evaporate too.

W H E N?

I heard I'd turn conservative after my first paycheck: didn't happen.
I heard I'd turn conservative as I got older: well I'm almost 30

We're priced out of owning most assets, and chances are what our parents leave us will be eaten up by end of life care. This transition to having a "stake" in the economy ain't gonna happen.

 No.1861630

>>1861625

>be me

>just turned 35
>it's 2036
>Polar Bears declared extinct outside of captivity
>min wage still 7.25
>Carl's Jr. tells me it loves me when I order the $25 Value Meal
>I shuffle back to my wage cage in the local amazon plant
>quickly eat before my manager can take a bite, as per company "food tax" policy
>10 minute lunch ends
>another 8 hours of grindset to go, I tell myself

Can't see myself becoming more conservative as I get old lmao

 No.1861634

>>1861616
>100% bet they are still doing forced sterilizations and hysterectomies as well.
Honestly yeah its just the sort of shit that doesn't get talked about under democrat administrations.
This country was openly sterilizing black people up till the 1970s through """"progressive""""" and republican administrations alike.
You bet your fucking ass that the same SS ICE pshicos who were employed under Trump are getting to have all the Mengle teir fun they want under Biden; and all with much less public scrutiny.

 No.1861637

>>1861625
Lol, now that shit is hitting the fan Libs are going full denial and apologia mode.

 No.1861640

>>1861630
> more conservative as I get old
In the UK that trend has broken i read, i think it will start to crack elsewhere also.

 No.1861644

>>1861634
Did you know Biden approved more drilling permits for oil and natural gas than than Trump did? and this was like 9 months ago I checked this, so I'm sure it's only continued to eclipse the previous numbers.

This makes the current regime feel that much more illegitimate to me, after all, no more drilling was one of the big poles holding up Biden's tent.

 No.1861668

>>1861644
I mean what the fuck even is the tent anymore???
This elections basically Fascism with access to abortions vs Fascism WITHOUT access to abortions.
I read somewhere that 90% of the telovision add buys Joe Biden has done has been for Adds on abortion and ONLY abortion.
There is basically no other deviding line in american politics anymore with the Lincoln Project hacks running the show at the DNC.
I mean i've said this before but the dems aren't even the republican party of the 1990s anymore.
They're literally the republican party of 2016.
Donald Trump waving an LGBT flag at the republican convention; that is ALL the dems want anymore.

 No.1861673

>>1861471
erm…

 No.1861696

>>1861673
I suggested they haven't been a good thing as history has developed, not that (under different historical conditions) they couldn't have been a good thing.

 No.1861756

>>1861696
that's fair i guess, i don't exactly love guzzling corn syrup

 No.1861771

>>1861644
Also put a tariff on Chinese solar panels

 No.1861777

>>1861668
>This elections basically Fascism with access to abortions vs Fascism WITHOUT access to abortions
Not even that. Abortions got criminalized under Biden as well and his party hasn't really tried to codify Roe v Wade back when democraps had the majority under Obama.

 No.1861785

>>1861640
From what I understand it wasn't even a real trend! It applied to the Boomers and just about no one else. And that's because the Boomers went from reaping all the benefits of Keynesianism to continuing to live well off the neoliberal turn. Often enough you'd see people maintain stable political views over time.

 No.1861817

>>1861785
Actually it applies perfectly well to the apprenticeship system at every age of its development.
<On the other hand, it is equally important to stress that, in the Middle Ages, the manners of youth were not utterly rejected. They had their place, which corresponded almost exactly to the place of the carnivalesque. Natalie Zemon Davis (1975) goes so far as saying that young men were considered to have a kind of communal “jurisdiction” over the domains of sex and vio­lence which were considered their natural spheres of activity. In France, ev­ery village or urban quarter had its “youth abbeys” which were not only the basis of the local m ilitia but responsible for putting on satirical charivaris to mock immoral villagers, as well as organizing celebrations like Carnival. In England, the organization was less formalized (Capp 1977), and youth leaders— like the famous Lords of Misrule who presided over Christmas rev­els— tended to emerge only during certain moments of the ritual calendar; but the principle was much the same.
<The existence of this ideology of youth and age had a profound effect on how changes in the organization of production, in the Early Modern period, were perceived. In a typical Medieval town, the majority of young men were apprentices and journeymen in the employ of an older master craftsman. Ideally, any apprentice could expect to someday become a master himself, and full member of the guild—it was for this reason guild regulations lim­ited the number of apprentices a master was permitted to take on. But the more capitalist relations came to dominate a given industry, the longer a journeyman would have to wait before being able to achieve full adult sta­tus, a wife, a household, and a shop of his own. In the meantime, he would continue working for wages for his master. The result was that a large part of the work force, men in their thirties and forties, found themselves living in a sort of suspended social adolescence. In the end, many began to abandon the ideal of autonomy entirely, to marry young and resign themselves to the status of permanent wage laborers. With the enclosure movements and rise of commercial agriculture of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, many of the rural poor were left in much the same position.

 No.1861830

>>1861817
The UK did destroy their apprenticeship system since the 80s!

 No.1861854

>>1861830
Only institutionally. The form is still deeply embedded in Anglo-Saxon *society* and still determines to some extent the form of economic activity and social graduation over a life-course.

 No.1861869

>>1861471
Are you like against agriculture or something?

 No.1861881

>>1861526
>The grain is the fruit
That's what I said.
>Grain is more of a reference to how the final product is prepared and used vs any strict biological definition
>potato flour
You can make flour out of all sorts of things that aren't grain. This doesn't make potato a grain. Potatoes are mostly not eaten that way anyway.

 No.1861904

>>1861869
It's gone too far, especially in the corn-fed USA. (Look up Earl Butz and his agricultural reforms under Nixon and Ford for a real piece of work.) But, we have it, and in true materialist fashion we must make history by doing something with (or about) what we got.

>>1861881
>You can make flour out of all sorts of things that aren't grain. This doesn't make potato a grain. Potatoes are mostly not eaten that way anyway.
Instant mashed potatoes are probably in second place.

 No.1861907

>>1861881
>That's what I said.
Every edible plant we eat the fruit so you said nothing,
>You can make flour out of all sorts of things that aren't grain. This doesn't make potato a grain. Potatoes are mostly not eaten that way anyway.
You still didn't get it. Reread it because I described it perfectly.
>Grain is more of a reference to how the final product is prepared and used vs any strict biological definition which is why you can call potatoes a grain although less commonly prepared that way than other grains.

 No.1861912

>>1861854
>nun uh
>source? Vibes

 No.1861916

>>1861912
Are "starter jobs" still an institution?

 No.1861924

>>1861916
It's just a way to earn income, if you're not retarded you would save it and spend it in an appreciating asset.

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>>1861907
>Every edible plant we eat the fruit

 No.1861929

>>1861927
So.. uhhh.. we only eat the fruit of Tomatoes or Potatoes? Sounds like what I knew.

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>>1861929
uygha doesn't know what a potato is

 No.1861935

>>1861924
>It's just a way to earn income, if you're not retarded you would save it and spend it in an appreciating asset.
Hmmmmm
<The existence of this ideology of youth and age had a profound effect on how changes in the organization of production, in the Early Modern period, were perceived. In a typical Medieval town, the majority of young men were apprentices and journeymen in the employ of an older master craftsman. Ideally, any apprentice could expect to someday become a master himself, and full member of the guild—it was for this reason guild regulations lim­ited the number of apprentices a master was permitted to take on. But the more capitalist relations came to dominate a given industry, the longer a journeyman would have to wait before being able to achieve full adult sta­tus, a wife, a household, and a shop of his own. In the meantime, he would continue working for wages for his master. The result was that a large part of the work force, men in their thirties and forties, found themselves living in a sort of suspended social adolescence. In the end, many began to abandon the ideal of autonomy entirely, to marry young and resign themselves to the status of permanent wage laborers. W ith the enclosure movements and rise of commercial agriculture of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, many of the rural poor were left in much the same position.
<All of this happened so gradually, though, that the underlying assump­tions people had about the meaning of wage-labor need never have been seriously called into question. Traditionally, wage-labor had been no more a permanent state than was adolescence—it was, in fact, the means by which adolescence was overcome. Even after it had become a permanent status, it was still imagined as a process of transformation. In the eyes of their employ­ ers, the laboring classes were not so much undisciplined and carnal by nature (a joking residue, a base stratum whose vices could be held out as a evidence of those employer’s own innate superiority) as rambunctious adolescents who needed to be disciplined and reformed through carefully supervised labor.
<Casting things in this way at least makes it easier to understand why the actual social struggles which surrounded the commercialization of English society and the emergence of a proto-bourgeoisie took the form that it did: to a large extent, endless quarrels over the place of youth in the community, and struggles over popular festivals and entertainments.

<Take the ideology of Puritanism as an example. It was clearly hierarchical; only, in place of the endless gradations characteristic of a feudal system, one is left with a mini­mal hierarchy of two or perhaps three levels. Women, children, and servants were encompassed within the personality of the householder; and, in all but the most radical versions, of householders encompassed by the King or State. Neither was the Puritan concern with “the darker parish” and floating pop­ulation of “masterless men” notably different than contemporary concerns with an immoral and overly fertile “underclass.” In fact, as some historians of the time have noted (H ill 1972, Hunt 1984), Puritan opinions on this sub­ject— that the problem of poverty had nothing to do with real wages, but was really rooted in the poor’s own lack of morality and self-control, their unwill­ingness to create proper families—have an uncanny resemblance to those employed by American conservatives today. Rather than hierarchies being swept away, it is more as if the hierarchical residual was squeezed down, its imagery becoming all the more intense having been so.
Tbh it do be kinda like that in the USA today.

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>>1861854
>Only institutionally. The form is still deeply embedded in Anglo-Saxon *society* and still determines to some extent the form of economic activity and social graduation over a life-course.
care to expound? or link? Thanks.

 No.1861960

>>1861625
>>1861630
I'm 35 right now and there's a part of my brain going "the invisible committee was right about a few things"

 No.1861980

>When Americans are asked to describe their views on economic issues, 44% identify as very conservative or conservative, 33% moderate and 21% very liberal or liberal. The percentage saying they are conservative averaged 40% between 2020 and 2022. The current figure is the highest since 46% in 2012.
WHY THE FUCK ARE SO MANY BURGERS "ECONOMICALLY CONSERVATIVE" WTF.

Its amazing how so much of the population can be deprived but their solution is to vote for a literal fucking porkoid

 No.1861983

>>1861078
>>1861097
<Pressure members to give 10% (or more!) of income, show up to Sunday morning service, after service potluck, Wednesday night service, Friday nights "small group" Bible study with continuous "community service" throughout.
<All social life is supposed to revolve around the church and the all free time is to revolve around the Bible and theology.
<All music, movies and entertainment are supposed to be Christian too.
<Any potential wrong-think is Satan himself trying to influence you and any negative emotions are demons trying to possess you.
<Let's all give public confessionals of our embarrassments and potential wrongdoings, I mean give "testimonials" and have "public accountability".
<Oh you think my crazy ramblings are maybe not prophesy!? Are you questioning the Holy Spirit!? You should pray more…
>You don't wan this!? You're just mad you couldn't play call of duty on Sunday!
Unironically people need to read more Chick tracks if they want to know more about American Christianity.

CPUSA is part of a small minority who most other American Christians don't even see as real Christians. The lukewarm will be spit out as Revelation 3:16 says.

 No.1861984

>>1861980
I mean 'economically liberal' barely even means anything. Burgers have been given intentionally flawed language like newspeak

 No.1861985

>>1861983
Barely any Christians in the USA actually go to church regularly though.

 No.1861990

>>1861983
>Hes still on about religion for some reason

 No.1861995

>>1861985
>>1861983
if i had to guess its mostly upper middle class people who go to church regularly and the non churchgoers are probably less affluent workers

 No.1862001

>>1861995
>if i had to guess
Why not just look it up and then you don't have to guess.

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>>1861980
"Conservatives" are a broad category; the poorest generally believe they are voting for something like Calvinist integralism, moderating toward the casual worker and professional-management segment, and returning at the heights to much the same sort of micro-managed legalism as the poors but without all the festivities.
<But concerns about youth were already becoming hard to distinguish from those concerning class. One constant complaint in Puritan tracts was the multiplication of impoverished households. The problem, in their view, was that young men and women were abandoning domestic service and mar­rying early, despite the fact that neither had the resources to support a proper family. This concern was matched with one over “masterless men”—with the independent poor, the murky and disordered world of hawkers, beggars, minstrels and vagabonds. In an ideal society, all these should be assembled under the domestic discipline of the Godly, who would direct them in labor as in prayer (Hill 1979; Wrightson & Levine 1979).29
<The more radical Calvinists developed a utopian vision in which such authoritarian families were the only hierarchical organization that really needed to exist. The ideal community would be governed by an assembly of “elders,” who were simply the heads of larger households. In New England, where Puritans were actually in a position to put some of these ideals into practice, the chief men of a community were given legal authority to place any young man and woman determined to be living alone in an “unruly household” as a servant in the households of more respectable elders—by force if necessary (Morgan 1944: 45-47, 85-89).

>>1861983
The hilarious part is that goldtext above is the essence of his vision for Communism with American Characteristics. Substitute the state for God, correct the institutions accordingly, and the rest basically scans, right down to Biblical servanthood industrialized.

>>1861985
In the European tradition, there are strict followers of the traditions and teachings of Martin Luther, and there are those who Vibe with Jesus, man, and a few loose clouds of interpretation and practice in between, all separate from Catholics, OrthodoxES, Coptics.

>>1862001

 No.1862015

>>1861985
And? Cultural Christians don't believe the Bible they just keep the tittle Christian to mean "good person."
That was the whole point of the lukewarm verse. Christian communities know who is outside and who is inside.

>>1861990
>still on
Just added myself to the thread. My point is that you keep on shilling Christianity as if it's just your version of laid back Catholicism. Maybe people have had real interactions with Christians that have turned them genuinely sour on the whole thing and it's not just your bulllshit strawman complaints.

>>1861995
Pentecostals tend to be poor and also has the highest amounts of going to church. They are also one of the biggest Christian denominations in the world with hundreds of millions.

 No.1862016

>>1861984
>Burgers have been given intentionally flawed language like newspeak
This is why I think 1984 is crucial to understanding the USA.

 No.1862023

>>1862013
>The hilarious part is that goldtext above is the essence of his vision for Communism with American Characteristics. Substitute the state for God, correct the institutions accordingly, and the rest basically scans, right down to Biblical servanthood industrialized.
Yeah if you completely change all the institutions, ideology, community, who's in charge, why they are in charge, what you are allowed to think and what you are allowed to do then it's basically communism ;)

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>>1862023
Since he wants to play utopian socialist, he should take a page from the Oneida Community and institutionalize some good proletarian kink.

 No.1862041

>>1862015
>Just added myself to the thread. My point is that you keep on shilling Christianity as if it's just your version of laid back Catholicism. Maybe people have had real interactions with Christians that have turned them genuinely sour on the whole thing and it's not just your bulllshit strawman complaints.

Literally you—just you—are bringing up Christianity.

All I mentioned is that rebuilding collectivism would likely involve some amount of ritual. I even mentioned that there are wholly secular rituals out there. The whole purpose of “ritual” is as a means of binding people in a symbolic collectivity; that symbolism facilitates an emotional and psychological attachment to the organization or institution in question, it adds a nice “book end” or start to a new chapter in a person’s life, and repetitive “ritual” can keep people engaged and associated with a movement even during lulls in that movement’s activities—shit like a small ceremony to welcome new members to an org, or monthly hikes that end with a selected reading of socialist works, or starting a meeting by everyone shaking hands and referring to each other as “comrade.”

But some idiotic retard whined having any kind of solidarity is “servility” and it had the same energy as a kid whining that he doesn’t want to go to church, he just wants to stay home and enjoy individual consumer capitalism. Boy that pissed a few of you freaks off. Now here you go whining about religion and claiming I’m “shilling Christianity” when you are the only one talking about it. So do me a favor: the next time you feel some twinge in your fingers to type some hysterical nonsense, either wrap them around my cock and start stroking, or tug down on the trigger and blow your brains out, because as it stands you’re an annoying waste.

 No.1862083

>>1862041
>Literally you—just you—are bringing up Christianity.
Don't try to gaslight, it's still in the thread.
>>1861045
<Evangelicalism caught the Boomer generation by storm, and its whole theology is premised on a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, rather than one mediated through the Church. And while Catholics
>>1861078
<>”But I don’t WANT to go to Church, mom! I wanna play Caw of Dooty!”
Even if the first post was just a historical recounting your response post made it all about Christianity.
>that rebuilding collectivism would likely involve some amount of ritual.
That happens automatically over time and you can make up whatever to fill int he gaps or take some previous ritual and repurpose it. But most leftist don't want to mix religion along with it. Next thing you know you will be taking communion to celebrate Marx's death or something.
>it had the same energy as a kid whining that he doesn’t want to go to church
You are equivocating people who don't like the idea of being forced into some fake group ritual as the same as children who are not mature enough to like church. Pretending like church is the same as medicine.
>So do me a favor: the next time you feel some twinge in your fingers to type some hysterical nonsense, either wrap them around my cock and start stroking, or tug down on the trigger and blow your brains out, because as it stands you’re an annoying waste.
Bro take a chill pill you obviously can't take the heat after you say questionable things and freak out about the response. Don't be so thinskinned.

 No.1862103

>>1862083
>Don't try to gaslight, it's still in the thread.
<Quotes a post where I explain evangelical theology
<Quotes a post where I mock someone

What did I just tell you, either blow your brains out or start stroking my cock.

>But most leftist don't want to mix religion along with it.


Find a post where I say, explicitly, Leftists have to be religious.

I use religion as a frame of reference and metaphor because it was a major dynamic in my upbringing. I never once, contrary to your nonsense, said or even implied the Left "HAS" to be religious or even should. But since you're a retard who can't separate explanation from advocacy you treat someone speaking from their own frame of reference like a Vampire treats a crucifix–oh sorry, that's too religious a metaphor for you, let me simplify it for you: you treat it like Superman treats Kryptonite.

So forgive me if I treat someone whining that collectivism and self-sacrifice is "servility" the same way I'd see a kid whining that he just wants to play video games instead of go to Church. I'd try to come up with a similar metaphor, something more secular so as not to hurt your precious feelings, but it occurs to me that we've completely hollowed out any other kind of collectivism in this shithole, and if I said something like "My legs hurt, and I don't want to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance!" You'd be accusing me of promoting nationalism. What's a collective ceremony without any religious undertones that you people attend that bored kids wouldn't want to?

Well gosh, I can't think of one. Chances are if you're going to see the latest capeshit in theaters some ten year old is gonna be just as excited to see antman jump up Thanos' ass as you are.

 No.1862113

>>1862103
>What's a collective ceremony without any religious undertones that you people attend that bored kids wouldn't want to?
>>1862039
<they might want to, but it ain't gonna happen

 No.1862124

>>1862113
>Oneida community becomes a join stock company
Why are you advocating capitalism?

 No.1862132

>>1862103
><Quotes a post where I explain evangelical theology
><Quotes a post where I mock someone
>What did I just tell you, either blow your brains out or start stroking my cock.
Too hyped up to read the next sentence in my post or purposefully ignoring it? Your response post made it about the Christianity. Even if you didn't mean that, it's how it came off. It recontextualized your entire post.
>you treat someone speaking from their own frame of reference
Ok. But should you really be surprised people who don't like religion don't care for your fram of reference? To you it's a nice priest giving gentle life lessons and shelter, to others it's a socially destructive totalitarian superstition shoved down their throats trying to impose a theocracy on the world. Innocuous to you, not to most leftists
>the same way I'd see a kid whining that he just wants to play video games instead of go to Church. I'd try to come up with a similar metaphor, something more secular so as not to hurt your precious feelings
Medicine. Children have to take medicine even if they don't like it.
>What's a collective ceremony without any religious undertones that you people attend that bored kids wouldn't want to?
Graduation ceremonies. Marriage Ceremonies. Baseball games. Basically any event where children have to stay still when they don't care about the goings on.

 No.1862136

>>1862124
Well, the point is to change it…

 No.1862137

>>1862132
>not to most leftists
Speak for yourself. Everyone has a different relationship with religion whether a positive church family or negative traumatic experience. Just be secular about it and don't trauma dump or try to convert people.

 No.1862139

Is the child labor idiot gone already?

 No.1862140

>>1862132
>Too hyped up to read the next sentence in my post or purposefully ignoring it? Your response post made it about the Christianity. Even if you didn't mean that, it's how it came off. It recontextualized your entire post.

No, you made it about Christianity. Because you and a few others seem intent on purposely taking every single statement I make in the worst possible light. I say "I have a marketing degree" and people claim I work for a think tank or marketing firm. I mention having veteran coworkers, and you people claim I'm telling you to salute every vet you see. I talk about anti-nationalism being alienating, and suddenly I'm called a Fascist. For fuck's sake, I once mentioned my job isn't as bad as far as the service industry goes and I was accused of being some secret TJs recruiter, as though they'd be looking to hire people from fucking leftypol of all things!

Every single thing I've said, no matter how bland or uncontroversial it is, is constantly twisted around. Kill yourself.

>Medicine. Children have to take medicine even if they don't like it.


A doctor-patient relationship isn't a mass collective one.

>Graduation ceremonies.

Those are for the children, chances are most Highschoolers aren't huffing "I don't WANT to go to graduation, mom!"

>Marriage Ceremonies.

Woah hold on buddy, why are you advocating something with religious undertones? Oh sure, maybe to you marriage is a secular thing, but to others it's an abuser binding a poor woman to a life of servitude and destroying her career prospects. Innocuous to you, not to most leftists.,

>Baseball games.

Plenty of kids like Baseball games, and
<"But I don't want to go to the Dodgers game, mom! I want to play caw of dooty!"
doesn't have the same ring to it.

 No.1862144

>>1862140
>Those are for the children
You are either malicious or your marketing degree is fake.

 No.1862149

>>1862144
>Child completes education
>Ceremony where they get a nifty diploma and metaphorically leave their old school life behind
>Lots of tearful goodbyes as friends go to separate colleges or plan to join the workforce
>Graduation parties afterwards
Man I wasn't even the most popular guy at school and it was scorching hot on my graduation day, the whole thing was long, but it's not like I was begging not to go. Shit, what miserable school life did you have?

 No.1862156

>>1862149
Not the person you're replying to but I always felt like my "official" graduation stuff was for my parents. It wasn't a drag or anything but did I really wanna sit through some boring ass speeches that didn't mean anything to me? Only reason I bothered is for my parents to get that moment to be proud of themselves for raising me, which they deserved.

 No.1862161

>>1862140
> I say "I have a marketing degree" and people claim I work for a think tank or marketing firm.
It's a strong sign
>I mention having veteran coworkers, and you people claim I'm telling you to salute every vet you see.
Your coworkers served empire. Vountarily. They don't even have the clean wehrmacht myth excuse of being drafted.
>I talk about anti-nationalism being alienating, and suddenly I'm called a Fascist.
postcolonial nationalism is based. settler colonial genocidal empire nationalism is cringe. I will not pretend otherwise to win over burgers. Vid incredibly related.
>For fuck's sake, I once mentioned my job isn't as bad as far as the service industry goes and I was accused of being some secret TJs recruiter, as though they'd be looking to hire people from fucking leftypol of all things!
Do you tell your employers you go on leftypol?
>Every single thing I've said, no matter how bland or uncontroversial it is, is constantly twisted around. Kill yourself.
Go back to worshiping God and Flag at your local presbyterian church where you pay tithes to your pedophile priest while sitting next to union busting cops.

 No.1862162

>>1862161
forgot vid

 No.1862164

>>1862156
same, in fact I got yelled at on graduation day for not "looking happy"

 No.1862184

>>1862137
Very lib sentiments. Practically speaking we can ignore most religious people, make sure church authority is controlled and limit the amount of religious people in positions of authority. The CPC is handling the issue fairly well and we should take notes.

>>1862140
>nou
If you don't like people challenging your religion then don't insult irreligious people as children. Maybe just reference fedoras next time?
>Because you and a few others seem intent on purposely taking every single statement I make in the worst possible light.
Why shouldn't they? Taking everything as negative as possible and challenging people is the best way to stop subversion. You think because you give personal stories of your life (that can be made up) everything you say should be accepted at face value? Seriously you should just deal with it instead of taking personal offense.
>A doctor-patient relationship isn't a mass collective one.
Everyone has taken cough medicine as a child. Even Mary Poppins has a song about it.
>Those are for the children
Graduation happens elementary, middle school, high school and college. Anyone with siblings is often forced to go and if you have multiple siblings you go several times.
>Woah hold on buddy, why are you advocating something with religious undertones?
Marriage ceremonies are universal to all cultures and can be fully secular too.
>Plenty of kids like Baseball games
Plenty don't, especially zoomers. You could pick any boring group actively you want to really, ring or not.

 No.1862185

>>1862164
>hm that person is not looking happy
>better yell at them

 No.1862188

>>1862164
What's the point of having children if they don't enact your fantasies?

Do your fekkin jerb

 No.1862195

>>1862149
It is basic sociology. Nomination ceremonies are primarily for the audience's benefit. It is they who are called upon to recognize a person's ascension to a new grade of adulthood and to recognize them as fellow adults. I wasn't nearly a sociology geek at the time so I didn't get that memo and refused on account of being too insulted by being handed a prop diploma among a few hundred. Well, in my case the bureaucratic machinery cleared normally and I had no real use for the show.

>>1862184
Begone redditor, we have no use for your Confucianoid religious kookery here

>>1862188
Take this job and shove it, I ain't reproducing your capitalist relations no more

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 No.1862204

>>1862195
>Confucianoid
Never heard the term. What does it mean and how dies it relate to my post?

 No.1862205

>>1862161
Your view is dead in the water, you will never win people over if you dont use every possible means. The idea that the national principle is hecking wholesome in the third world but 'le bad' in the first is laughable metaphysics, you really think Suharto was a positive? Your brain is infected with moralism. The French Communist Party's use of nationalism to liberate France from the Vichy era was an immense success & a necessity which positioned them as most important party of the post-war era. We cannot surrender anything to the enemy, everything must be used. There is no other way.

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Bobbybros, not like this

 No.1862212

>>1861241
Proper bourgeois citizen meaning the model of a citizen that bourgeois society expects, not a citizen that is part of the haute bourgeoisie.

>>1861625
It's been happening for the last century if not longer, why would the trend stop now? Even during crises the middle-class doesn't join the worker movement when proletarianized and instead join the side of reaction. If you're a communist proper chances are you won't stop being one even if you join the middle-class but let's not pretend most people are communists or even anarchists with a more materialist worldview.

I'm in the third world and our current government is conformed by a bunch of idiots who used to be in leftoid student protests a decade ago, they were called "revolutionary" (lol) and everything, and they're now indistinguishable from any other government, only paying lip service to leftism when the poll numbers get too low.

 No.1862217

>>1862161
We have to be careful with analysis of nationalism in light of how it became a tool weaponized against socialism. Hudson brings up the point that we need to be a bit more conscious of the role if the State as a self supporting, active structure in society.

>>1862210
Based furry bobby

 No.1862219

>>1862210
BWAHAAAAHH

 No.1862226

>>1862205
>you will never win people over
Sentiment is not material. What you actually need is action, or inaction.
>We cannot surrender anything to the enemy
No, no, Americans have already caught onto that crap. They watch what you're telling other people and they will reject you for hustle.
Button-mashing is pretty crap revolutionary behavior. You're not ready for this level yet.

 No.1862243

>>1862149
>>1862156
>>1862164
Graduation is for the kid and for the parents. Most kids want a graduation ceremony to be acknowledged and celebrated. No one stomps and says that they dont want to go to graduation unless they hated school or nihilistic and see no point in celebrating graudation. Its like that no fun person that hates celebrating birthdays because "it's just one cycle of the earth bro". There will always be a minority that hate any mass celebration for a multitude of reason but key word is: minority.

 No.1862246

>dividing the proletariat along national lines is a valid tactic guys
how do we still have clowns shilling for nationalism here

 No.1862249

>>1862246
your brain is broken

 No.1862252

>>1862162
how do you fucking post lenin when spouting crap like this when this guy was all about revolutionary defeatism to have the proletariat of a nation fight a civil war in a now weakened country

 No.1862254

>>1862249
nationalism will never defeat a global phenomenon. ever

 No.1862258

>>1862254
your brain is broken

 No.1862261

>>1862258
your response machine is broken

 No.1862269

>>1862246
>>1862249
a point to be made on nationalism was that a major issue with postcolonial or colonial anti-imperialist nationalism was that they were being oppressed along national lines already, and that you cannot stop nationalism by directly repressing it as such - instead it must be given a secualr affirmation that allows it to dissipate as it is no longer useful.

 No.1862271

>>1862252
>now weakened country
That much seems to fit. Who would stick up for this rust bucket besides the managers and the porkies?

 No.1862275

>>1862139
No. I'm still here. We considered the query setteled. Child labor is based. Do you have any questions?

 No.1862281

>>1861269
>>1861270
Wrong. It was actually better under Trump. Low skilled labor market was at its best point in our lifetime, with job requirements at their lowest

 No.1862317

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>>1862210
>they turned bobby into chris chan

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>>1861625
Blanco, you live in LA and work at the supermarket, ofc you can't buy nothing. I even know some people who bought in off of regular dick hole jobs but not that lowly and you are probably 10 years too late at the very least. You need to get out.

T. Former angeleno

 No.1862322

>>1862318
And grind too motherfucker. How much money have you put away if you live at home anyways? You should have well enough for a down payment even in LA. My relatives saved enough for downpayments on ~million dollar homes with no credit just saving money from gig work. How many years have you been trading at the joes?

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>>1862246
>how do we still have clowns shilling for nationalism here
wow what a mystery I wonder if there might be something written by somebody about this

 No.1862326

>>1862318
We could always form a commune

 No.1862328

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>>1862326
My bro lived at a commune in the LA area. Probably doxxing but who cares. If someone knows who I'm talking about what's up friendo. The guy who originally got the property was an artist who won the money in California's first ever male-alimony settlement or something. Now it's just his fail hippy children running the spot into the ground. You can get in and live there with the rest of those bums pretty easy if you want.

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>>1862328
And even easier. You could always head out to slab city. The afformentioned bums were affiliated with them and used to party there sometimes. I've never been.

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>>1862326
>We could always form a commune

 No.1862377

>>1862360
Nobody knows. The posting commune remains secret.

 No.1862379

>>1862377
>Nobody knows.
>The Detroit Commune has been forgotten.
A sad day for /leftypol/.

 No.1862384

>>1862379
Add it to the wikipedia article. I guess they're no longer called communes but "intentional communities." I saw a wiki article where they had a list that you could sort by duration kek but I can't find it now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_community#See_also

Ayyy Slab City made the shortlist.

 No.1862392

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american ppw WHEN


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