>Pedro Castillo and Verónika Mendoza signed a joint declaration on Wednesday sealing Mendoza's support for Castillo going into the Presidential runoff election. They also agree to work together in order to "achieve a government of the people."
The left in Peru is uniting behind a Marxist candidate who is on the verge of BTFOing the Fujimoris, neoliberals all around the world seething about his friendship with Morales & Maduro.
Can we show this based Incan some love?
>>14641No, let the other die and/or serve as archive
>>14638Never be overconfident. The right wing is using every card in the book to bring him down
accelerationAcceleration >>14638She will win for a few % points.
Funny shit will follow in Congress afterwards.
sandinistaSandinista >>14662Ultra LARP
Begone, no one in Peru likes the PCP, you're white
sendero, you're being autistic
>>14664picrel
ndfpNDFP>>14666it looks like its got jaundice while on opioids
i bet you could draw a better logo for em
>>14664I'm not white, it's always white people calling me white online. I have nothing against white communists but I have everything against white "communists" who uphold comprador traitors that misdirect the just struggles of our people into the hands of Chinese imperialism. Them being white has little to do with it though.
And there's lots of Maoist organizations all over Latin America.
>>14665The only glowie here is the one sowing racial division in the name of imperialism.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14633>Pedro Castillo and Verónika Mendoza signed a joint declaration on Wednesday sealing Mendoza's support for Castillo going into the Presidential runoff election. They also agree to work together in order to "achieve a government of the people."I will be sooooo happy if they win.
>>14662Ugh, what a moron.
>>14668>The only glowie here is the one sowing racial division in the name of imperialism.calm the fuck down immediately, comrade
i called >230149 a glowie not you but you're being fucking autistic
ndfpNDFP >>14662Just change the flag to any moronic flag that automatically assumes China is bad.
But hey, you are a free-spirited person who hasn't been propagandized against China.
>>14684>You can cooperate with non-socialist countries without opening up to their capital.Ah, yes, surely it was possible because China by the time had bazillion of powerful armies to withstand the unchallagend hegemony of the western empire + the decaying of the USSR providing 0 help to your point + the Sino-Soviet split.
Bring your powerful socialist nation-state with o reformism!
>>14680a left wing regime would be better for communists all around than a right wing one and if you read your lenin youd understand this
>muh optics>acting like a fucking retard has no consequence to how the ideology and movement I represent looksdo you want a fucking fight comrade
do you need sense pounded in you to understand wtf im saying
>>14685>Is yours capable of weighing the history of South America under U.S. hegemony in the 20th century vs. the non-existential recorded threat of China?Just because China's imperialism is less aggressive than America's (due to their history and current political position rendering it unnecessary) doesn't mean our people don't suffer by selling what we have to Chinese capital. Jfc
>>14686Their economy was growing faster during the Cultural Revolution than during Deng's reforms for around a decade. Read Rethinking Socialism or From Socialism to Defeat by Pao-yu Ching.
>>14687Except Castillo isn't left-wing dumbass. Also I'm not saying acting like an idiot is excusable but there were better things to criticise yet the Sisonite chose to go after the oh so evil Gonzaloite instead because of optics and "we're different!"
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14688>Just because China's imperialismStop reading that, lmao
Keep eating propaganda, your thought is condemned to be fade in history.
>>14689Everything is propaganda… as communists we should read and analyze communist propaganda…
Where you mess up most is in thinking everyone critical of China has the same agenda.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14690Well, do one simple thing as I did: Bring me a list, as I did in for the U.S. intervention in Latinamerica, where you show regime changes done by China here in Latinamerica. Or better, in Asia.
Do it, fagget.
>>14692Name the list of impoverished countries by China, do eet fagget. Name the resources they can't export and have to buy to China instead, tell me the number of companies that went to bankruptcy because China forced them, by violent military cohercion, to go bankrupt, name the list of banks that blocks transactions if you don't act as the Chinese governments do.
DO EET FAGGET.
>>14691>>14693https://youtu.be/MWjnLwNoOGMOn Chinese revisionism as a whole
http://cipoml.net/en/?p=234>>14695Please stop judging something by its worst possible outcome. Imperialism with a human face is still imperialism.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14688>muh sisoniteim the (((sisonite))), that is, a
m-l-mas in im flipping the bird at you faggot
what the fuck is left-wing to you, sendero?
hes prolly not left-wing to either of us but no one is
>>14700Learn what imperialism is before getting back to me.
Tip: it's not colonialism
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14697>Please stop judging something by its worst possible outcome. Imperialism with a human face is still imperialism.Do you know why this posture is happening?
https://www.reuters.com/article/eu-imf-idUSL8N2KM4ORhttps://www.rappler.com/business/imf-kristalina-georgieva-urges-governments-spend-covid-19-response-january-15-2021Do you know why?
Because fucking China is a better lender.
Your "worst possible outcome" is changing due China policies, wtf an imperial power would care to change things that are wrong? lmao since when the Portuguese cared about Indians if Spaniards were slaving them whenever they lost a territory?
What would care the British empire what ethnics infight inside India if they killed between them (as long their internal interest aren't affected) lmao?
>still don't bring a listI will stop replying until you actually bring material to debate.
>>14703These whataboutisms lol
Idc if they're the "better lender" they're still imperialist and should be combatted by communists everywhere (and they are but opportunists only listen to "minority voices" when it benefits them and call everyone who disagrees white).
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>14705It's not a fucking "whataboutism" you sicko
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-us-and-its-allies-must-pursue-regime-change-in-china/https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/11/america-chinas-regime-fails/>Regime change in China is not only possible, it is imperativeYour brain is rotted, and as your brain is rotted, I hope you rot, too. Piece of shit, name one single time China journalists and think tanks openly ask for a regime change is somewhere.
Piece of shit troll.
>>14707Sure, bro. Your revolution is about to come, better be going instead of doing such wonderful work here, bro.
Surely your revolution will be 0 revisionist bro, and will bring your country to the prosperity you dream, and will kill the U.S. hegemony, bro, all alone, bro.
Here, have your badge, bro.
>>14662fuck off neo-trotskyst.
I have the feeling that a gonzaloite comeback would be the perfect tool for glowies to destabilize actual leftist governments like Venezuela, Bolivia and especially, an eventual Castillo's Peru. It's completely consistent with their dogmatic line to declare war on what they call "revisionist" before doing so to right-wingers.
>>14706>https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-us-and-its-allies-must-pursue-regime-change-in-china/<Second, in February, 2020, as the coronavirus broke upon China, one of the country’s leading scholars of constitutional law, Xu Zhangrun, published a long essay in which he asserted that China’s current polity suffers from “systemic impotence” and concluded that the only way for the country to flourish is “to pursue a politics that embraces constitutional democracy and fosters a true people’s republic.”How can anyone side with that position in 2021? We have seen how crappy the response in Europe and the US is, despite having more time to react. That article also links to another piece that uses the Christian extremist Adrian Zenz as a source.
>https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/11/america-chinas-regime-fails/<Moreover, the party’s increasingly coercive behavior over the last few years, its horrifying crimes against its Uyghur population, and its utterly irresponsible conduct at the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic demonstrate how fundamentally the regime’s concept of self-interest diverges from anything acceptable to the United States and other liberal democracies.This reads like gaslighting by a psycho ex-boyfriend who increasingly believes his own lies, which just a few words switched out.
Sage for offtopic.
>>14714im sure they had some degree of popular support at the time to last as long as they did, and every failed revolution tends to end in a period of deep reactionary backlash thats not an argument against them.
idk much about the PCP and i wont pretend to but it is true that every gonzaloite ive seen writing on blogs or social media has been some kind of deranged westerner
>>14720From what I've read the battle for the "middle class" vote keeps going.
The bottom will vote for castillo, and the top for keiko.
>>14694Oh right
And that account is fake
probably some troll with inspiration that created the "official" then "unofficial" account after the second round >>14723I don't hink that's possible
If Castillo wins probably
No lol
>>14717>>14714>>14716Of course, the senderolarper is not serious in his trolling. We rarely have sendero visits, and all of the sudden because a Marxist Peruvian candidate has huge chances they appear out of nowhere repeatedly. The only way they gain some sort of relevance is through their reactionary bullshit.
Imagine the level of psychosis to sperg a communist candidate above the one that actually has a father who killed communists.
>>14727>>14728he's pro-peace process and not murdering all two remaining Maoists right
Is that not why he's been seen with them
>>14763Castillo was obviously not prepared to fight the big Fujimori mafia, he's also not prepared to face difficult questions, debates ,etc. I'm peruvian and following everything castillo says and does.
He has been avoiding the press and questions about his plan of government for a couple of weeks. I feel like he has lost some votes with this strategy as he's being framed as an unprepared dumb man that has no idea what to do. Peruvian people are VERY spooked by the pandemic and what is going to happen with the economy.
The Vizcarra and Sagasti(current) governments just locked people down for months, allowed small businesses to go under and like half of the population became unemployed. The government also failed to deliver the essential medical needs of the population.
So right now most of the peruvian population is angry with the government, poor/unemployed, and scared of being sick. Castillo doesn't give specific answers to the problems, just repeats some populist answers that aren't clicking with the people.
The right(Fujimori and friends) controls all the media, every single day on every single TV program, news, newspaper you have Castillo being portrayed as a monster, as a shining path member, etc. This is probably what led Castillo to not talk to the media about his plans as they will cherry-pick and purposely misinterpret and twist anything he says. Any academic/expert who wants to openly support Castillo will probably get cancelled/blacklisted too.
The funny thing about all this is that Fujimori daughter is being framed like democracy incarnated, the person who fights for freedom, liberty, etc. When her father was a dictator who committed acts of violence and terror that rival what the shining path did. Everything Castillo is being accused of doing if he becomes president, Fujimori father already did a couple of decades ago.
Fujimori father privatized almost every state company out there, what will happen under Keikos Fujimori's presidency? What is there to privatize next? All I can think of is water and the sea, other than that, this is a hollow country held by the balls by big porkies.
hold me bros…
>>14770 (trips of truth)
for real where did all this glowposting lately come from
>>14770Checked Coup d´etat coming
Again….
ak-47AK-47 >>14768Speaks for the amount of crisis we are in.
>>14769PPW in 2069
>>14766A good analysis doomerposter. But as the other anon pointed out, the crisis and the machine that propelled ot are there.
It speaks by itself how the peruvian left has clinged and advanced from Humala to Castillo. Check the critic of Cotler about Atlthaus book.
The race is not over until it is over.
>>14781Many of those distasteful programs, newspapers and general media were introduced by Fujimori father to dumb down and switch the attention of the population from the evil shit he was doing.
During Fujimori's dictatorship all media was garbage, nothing but naked women, shitty comedy, gossip, reality TV, etc.
>>14781First of all, I have never seen the NegroMama rape or insinuate rape anytime.
So shut the fuck up.
Even in the skit he respond to the racism and prejudice by saying to his insides "Someday, someday" >>14782True
Well, some news about Castillo campaign for those interested.
He has postpone his visit to the south to elaborate and present a goverment plan. Since the plan that made the right lose their shit is the ideary of the party, of 2019. Before covid,etc,etc.
https://larepublica.pe/elecciones/2021/05/12/pedro-castillo-anuncia-que-presentara-un-plan-publicamente-en-los-proximos-dias-pltc/He has been meeting with unions, orgs, experts to in some days present a plan to leave behind the image of "hurried"
Also, that epoch of El Especial del humor is the best one.
>>14786Well some updates.
Looks like the classic battle to be part of the expert group is bringing a good one.
Some sides are pointing blades at eachother.
But it's expected that it will be presented saturday.
In any case new DATUM poll
Pedro Castillo
Keiko Fujimori 44%
Keiko Fujimori 41%
Blank: 8%
Null: 7%
According to the poll 72% of the electorate has decided for whom they will vote.
Margin of error: 2.5%
Confidence level 95%
>>14786Anticommunist ot anti socialdemocrat propaganda framed in the legacy of the armed conflict.
>>14788Dude, all the left and some liberals have united behind Castillo, who only had the ideary of the party
which is based to extremes but inapplicable in a country where you don't have a mayority in parlament, and a covid crisis,etc,etc,etc It looks like there are three teams, from all factions doing 3 plans that later will be joined and presented along with the team of experts that will be in the executive branch.
I mean, they have the upperhand since they aren't convicted of corruption alongside a big etc unlike Keiko's expert team.
Some news about Keiko & her campaing. The anticommunist/antichavist propaganda keeps sprunging in various cities, the thing about their assault forces have beeen pointed before and she has been invited by the Marquis of Vargas-Llosa to a "international libery forum" run by his "International foundation for freedom" and to assist she has to ask the judge for a permit since she is prosecuted for money laundering
>>14805Dammit Leninhat, I'm glad there are so few antivaxxers here in the board and in the country.
I hope you don't take none and go to Cuba to get Soberana in any case.
>>14811They didn't even slapped those journos.
They are screaching for calling them "trash"
>>14819No more poors in a rich country.
>>14817Just… beautiful
>>14834Blank is simply the ballots left blank by the voters
Null is goes from marking wrong the ballot to writing "all are corrupt" or "Stalin did nothing wrong" in it, nulling it.
>>14855Restart machine
Broke
>>14852Also I shot my load earlier and missed the opportunity to post another interesting bit of info (the other dozen or so tweets I checked earlier were just glowing and liberal nonsense so I got excited at finding something not buttfuck retarded).
More info:
<Following the capture of its longtime commander Abimael Guzmán in 1992 and of Florindo Eleuterio Flores, alias “Comandante Artemio,” in 2012, the Shining Path concentrated its area of influence along the Valley of the Apurímac, Ene and Mantaro Rivers (Valle de los ríos Apurímac, Ene y Mantaro – VRAEM). The group has operated under the command of the Quispe Palomino brothers since 1999. <A key step in the brothers’ vision was for the group to return under a new name, the Militarized Communist Party of Peru (Militarizado Partido Comunista del Perú – MPCP), in an effort to gain the support of rural farmer communities within the VRAEM that were victimized by the Shining Path. Additionally, they decided to label former commander Abimael Guzmán as a traitor to the movement. <The MPCP currently calls upon a small force of about 300, primarily made up of young, inexperienced fighters, now that the majority of its longtime commanders, such as alias “Alipio” and more recently alias “Leonidas,” have been captured or killed. <A narrow stretch of the VRAEM, which passes through the departments of Junín, Ayacucho and Huancavelica, is a stronghold for the group. The group is believed to fund itself primarily through securing cocaine shipments belonging to drug trafficking clans. Peru’s VRAEM has for years been among the country’s most important coca-growing regions. https://insightcrime.org/news/analysis/shining-path-return-power-peru/ >>14850I don't necessarily think that.
The fear tactic employed by Keiko and his minions in the media can be diverted to her.
For example, San Miguel del Ene, the district where the massacre took place, voted overwhelmigly for Castillo. And according to a witness never said any proclamation, just entered the bars to kill.
Weirdly enough, the pamphlets were published more early by fujimoristas, even earlier than the police or army said anything. Maybe they keep good touch with people in the ground there for getting some political points for their agenda.
In the end, it is in Castillo's hand to give a better performance than Keiko in the debate and with that win the election.
The archive of the article with the witness testimony (in spanish)
https://archive.is/fmTjO Forgive my soul but I'm going to post La Encerrona about this.
Again, it is in spanish
https://invidious.fdn.fr/watch?v=RGTOzPyaaC4>>14877*MPCP
"Militarized Communist Party of Peru"
>>14649One of the first things Lasso did in office was to strike down the media kinda-sorta-regulation law. Really sends the noggin joggin'.
Apropos of price controls, someone better warn him that this literally never works in a capitalist economy unless there are counterbalance measures such as tax breaks, subsidies and the like to make up for the loss in potential profit. If enacted just by itself, price controls
will fuck everything up, no ifs, ands or buts.
>>14881Absolutely. There is a reason why rationing is often used in wartime. It's simply btfos price controls on every level.
Nationalization of the services they want have price controlled is the approach they have to take, including the supply chain.
Sometimes I tend to think that building new nationalized industries, while costlier, does displace the bourg. better longer term even though requires s much more concerted effort.
>>14879It's
ogre… for local porkies!
socialismSocialism >>14895basically
>used to have shitty Jap called Fujimori as President (Peru has a sizeable japanese minority)>Dude is really corrupt, kills a bunch of people and has 300.000 Women forcibly sterilized, of which most were indigenous>basically a dictator, until he got deposed
>fast forward to now>elections with a bunch of neolib candidates>one of these is none other than that dictators daughter, Keiko Fujimori>only viable non-neolib candidate is Pedro Castillo>To everyones surprise, Keiko and Pedro are the two strongest candidates in the first round of voting> will face each other in a second round in juneThis is basically the best case scenario, as it might have been difficult for Castillo to win against any other candidate due to the neoliberal factions conglomerating behind his rival. But Fujimori is so hated due to her father and her own obvious corruption that Castillo now has a real chance at winning.
eurocommunismEurocommunism I got excited too quickly. Castillo is not "our guy."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/28/peru-a28.htmlCastillo first gained national prominence as the leader of a 50-day teachers strike in 2017. He subsequently joined Perú Libre, a party led by the ex-governor of the central highlands department of Junín, Vladimir Cerrón. Perú Libre combines pseudo-socialist rhetoric with provincial corruption and extreme right-wing social policies,
including virulent nationalism and anti-immigrant xenophobia, as well as the denunciation of “gender ideology,” same-sex marriage and abortion.>Castillo declared that his government would “give juridical security to our businessmen,” while repudiating sections of his party’s program that call for nationalization of mining and other “strategic sectors” of the economy. “I completely reject those who say Pedro Castillo is going to nationalize,” he said on April 22 in an interview with Radio Existoso.>In the same radio interview, Castillo delivered a gratuitous insult to Venezuela’s President Nicolás Maduro, who is demonized by the right wing in Peru as throughout Latin America. “I want to openly say to Mr. Maduro that, please, if there is something you have to say concerning Peru, that first you should solve your internal problems, that you should come and take back your compatriots who have come here to commit crimes.”>Maduro had issued no statement on Castillo’s victory or any other aspect of Peruvian politics. The vilification of Venezuelan immigrants, roughly 1 million of whom are in Peru, was of a piece with Castilllo’s viciously anti-immigrant rhetoric during the campaign, which has included a promise that once he is elected, he will give all of the foreigners who “have come to commit crimes” 72 hours to get out of the country.Jeez, you can't even make the "out of context" argument on such quotes.
The propaganda piece also depicts the neolibs in an unnecessarily racist way – especially the one on the bottom left has a striking similarity to an infamous caricature.
I can't even critically support this. Peru remains a fuck.
Back to doomin'… :(
socialismSocialism>>14898Read my entire post, you fucking idiot! It's not all "idpol!"
How many times, do I need to say this?
I'm not a Burger!>>14899Cope.
socialismSocialism >>14913>Another idiot unable to read the entire postAmazing.
>please hang yourself.No, my comrades in my local socialist org need me alive.
socialismSocialism >>14915>Radlib because you don't support a guy, that openly sais, he will oppose the building of socialism and uses rhetoric of the darkest reaction.Typical.
I don't use Twitter nor Reddit.
socialismSocialism >>14917Two things:
1) Good that at least you're in a org.
2)The "He's a reactionary" part just because he does not compare to Western cultural standard amounts to explicitly saying "Any leftist group has to meet x cultural requirements not to be considered reactionary" to Third World leftists.
How is this not patronizing?
sandinistaSandinista >>14924It wouldn't be a big deal if it were the only issue, but there are more, as I have mentioned. No idea, why you here constantly love to dwell on the "idpol". Is it a deflection attempt to hide the cope or have the constant /pol/yp raids poisoned your minds?
That you imply South America as " Third World" is also a bit patronizing, don't you think?
socialismSocialism >>14928<South America is not Third WorldIt sure as hell isn't first.
And Peru is one of the poorest in the area.
sandinistaSandinista >>14908Please name me one (1) movement that's as close to power as Peru Libre and wants to go full nationalisation. So what if they turn out to be "only" anti-imperialist socdems?
Even if in the future Peru were to be one of the last countries in LatAm to inevitably become socialist, it sure as hell won't be because Castillo doesn't like the gays. And it's still true that Peru Libre seems to be more to the left compared to not just the Worker's Party of Brazil or Kirchnerists but also compared to PSUV and MAS.
I don't even think "likes the gays or not" is the issue, rather the issue is that Pedro Castillo's base are a bunch of rural farmers and copper miners who want to see the efforts of their labor actually translate into tangible improvements to their communities whether in terms of infrastructure, public services, schools, etc.
This whole issue, I almost see it like that letter from a gay British communist to Stalin where he was asking Stalin whether it was okay to be gay and a communist, and Stalin wrote "an idiot and a degenerate" in the margins and then shoved the letter into his archives. Being gay myself, I am shaken to my core that Stalin would've thought I am a degenerate… actually I don't give a shit, but I want to know what was going through the head of this British guy who thought to write Joseph Stalin a letter about this. He's the premier of the Soviet Union, I dunno, he probably doesn't have a very fun job and has more important things to worry about? Let's grow up a little bit, folks
>>14897OH NO WEIRD SEX WEB SITE SAID THAT CASTILLO IS UNBASEDOne of the first things one can point out is the conservative message that Peru Libre shows. Unlike Juntos por el Peru, who is more progre and got only 5 seats in parlament (see how the water flows); unlike Peru Libre who got 37.
>>14912Shut the fuck up flagfag.
>>14925>Bolivia isn't reactionary in the radlib wayDude, Bolivia hasn't legalized abortions or same sex marriage, but one can see that the other side is even worse
Añez, the fascists cruceñosThis redflag anon comes and starts talking like he can authorize or not who should be supported or not. I will say it twice, if a socdem program with rainbow flags would have been more popular Peru Libre wouldn't be on the second round, but Juntos por el Peru.
BUT one has to knowladge the problematic that those collectives have. And the left unity guarantees that their rights
and lack of them will be answered in the next goverment
unlike Keiko, who is in bed with almost fascists and francoists like Sodalicio, Opus Dei,etc,etc>>149162 weeks to the day, the next big thing is the presidential debate this sunday.
Finally, I can't believe someone can say that "thirdworld country" is patronizing. This country has a big gap between the 1% and the average peruvian, what to say about the bottom of the piramid. To pu an example, the highest city in the world is here, a mine camp that has no garbage recolection or sewers and works the gold with mercury.
About polls, I haven't find another confirmed, there is one by CPI but I haven't seen the media give it attention (it has Castillo on the lead nontheless) so I wouldn't give it too much credibility.
>Castillo: 35.6%>Keiko: 31.5%>Blank/Null: 16.2%>Haven't decided yet: 16.7% >>14880>>14885>>14886>>14890>>14893>>14894https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYLNcI0u_aIVideo got taken down somehow lol, there is is
>>14897It's a shame but being in a poor ass, heavily religious country more or less means that running the whole "super progressive" strategy alone won't get you anything other than the votes of a couple of suburban middle class college kids. Also, he more or less said that he'll leave abortion and same-sex marriage up to the congress (which will largely be full of moderates, if shit goes well then people will be more open to not shitting on the gays. The guy has gotten endorsed by MAS and the other leftist candidate, I don't think that they'd be getting that if they were some sort of fascist group, "nationalism" (not wanting there to be American troops stationed in the country and not wanting foreign corporations to loot Peru's resources a la Elongated Muskrat in Bolivia with their lithium) in and of itself and not taking a liking to a crime surge of a single """ethnicity""" (see nationality), the dude isn't openly calling for war with Chile or proclaiming the superiority of the Peruvian race
>>14944I don't believe they are some "randoms" but you can deduct that the army reserves are more politicized. Lol, I have been thinking of joining the reserves too.
I haven't followed the elections like the first round
I'm the sonicflag of the other thread but from what I have checked there has been some audios from Antauro saying that his army promotion is in line to get high ranks in the army.
There are some checks and balances of appointing who gets those charges, but Vizcarra showed that if you have enogh political capital you can work around those to appoint selected ones.
>>14950>Under 500 dudes in the jungle basically just smuggling coke at this pointPopulation of 32,000,000+
"X"
>>14954Everything is in the realm of posibilities.
But firstly, the coexistance between the Quispe Palomino forces and the comunities on the VRAE is mantained by its peacefullness.
Peacefullness that they have mantained as a foundation of their movement, breaking and distancing from Sendero for their mistratment (to put it midly) of them and that would be destroyed by an attack on said comunities. Which, as it has happened, would call military presence (the goverment has anounced the instalation of a countersubversive base in Vizcatan del Ene).
https://andina.pe/agencia/noticia-san-miguel-del-ene-tendra-una-base-antiterrorista-anuncia-ministra-defensa-847079.aspxSo in a programatical base would be stupid.
Secondly, how the massacre was carried out.
Sendero, be it the Gonzaloites of last century or the Quispe has some procedures taken from the people's war in China.
Getting people in the town square, performing a trial and executing or punishing those deemed guilty.
This masacre has none of that, Lucanamarca had a trial, and Tarata was urban terrorism, pretty different.
Thirdly, how they mobilized
Normally their troops go in the jungles, avoiding roads and cars. In this case is reported that the killers used motorcycles and ransacked the bodies even taking cellphones, which are a liability when the army can tracks the cellphone signal.
And finally, the pamphels and how easy was to Fujimoristas to get acess
As expected, they have strong bonds to the intelligence and the police, and looked to gain as much electorally as possible.
>>14955"it's possible that the world may end tomorrow"
All possibilities are ranked by probabilistic quantity, and there's precedent of high-tier autism from the PCP lmao (not ruling anything out, just trying to reason through it and seeing what's more likely)
The reason why the military hasn't blasted the hell out of VRAEM is most likely because the narco business is the only thing keeping the state alive, much like for Mexico. That and that this would result in a high degree of civilian casualties which would rightly get the populace of the country rioting. We don't know if they had a trial or not, doubtful that a group that's even more focused on aiding in the drug trade than their predecessors has suddenly had a change of heart and decided to be more humane of all things
>>14957Look, even last year some family got killed by them, hacked to death with an axe or something. That was the big shit for the media for like a week or so.
And even then they held a trial, where they accused them of being police informants.
<Kidnapping and murder>The community members recall that on Tuesday, March 23, at 12:45 p.m., a group of at least 15 or 20 terrorist criminals entered the town.>With the people at their mercy, they gathered all the residents in the plaza and took their cell phones from them. They were told that they would "take revenge" against the members of the self-defense committee because "they were informants for the Police.">They were transferred to the Tambiacocha hill, where they annihilated Pedro and his son. The two women were taken to the Valdivia ravine. https://larepublica.pe/sociedad/2021/03/29/los-quispe-palomino-ordenaron-matar-a-toda-una-familia-en-el-vraem/Informants, soldiers, marines and terrorists die everyyear. The problem is that this "pest killing action" comes from nowhere and withouth their modus operandi.
>>14969I haven't watch it yet.
I hope he is doing well.
I have only watched until the economic bloc and seemed ok.
Keiko is the one that is calling him a comunist and a class war lover.
>>14978Keiko seemed too manufactured, and Castillo was fine but got memed by some fuckups. But that's just me, so I don't know.
Boring, as always. But with some good hits.
>>14984Sanders has come a long way from fighting cops in Vermont to that.
Also, Pedro has done a mitin in Juliaca.
The biggest one in the campaign it seems, of course, Puno is in the south, and the south is leftist.
>>14993I haven't read him nor after the USSR fall or before the USSR fall.
I have read some "leftists" like Isabel Allende or Garcia Marquez and to be honest, none of them are "Leftists" in the sense of creating class consciousness or pointing out the real capitalism problem behind the problems they described, or a least too subjectively to be named leftist. More like progressive.
What I know about Llosa us that he's now near the RAE and all those all ass old Hispanic cultural centers that once rejected wirtters above the level of the Spain cultural level.
>>14993If he is good, yeah he is. his early books are pretty good, in his later years his writings aren't as good or he has broken with his values various times (for example, agruing against a "Society of Spectacle" to only later become the Marquis of Vargas Llosa and partner of Presley (a spanish socialite).
Going from weriter close to Cuba to a Marquis who speaks in events with Ciudadanos and Vox, calling anything that isn't a PP program Communism.
Finally, he was one of the firsts who supported Keiko this second round. So fast and withouth consesions that even liberals mocked it and were amazed by it.
>>14994Hum, true, I can't remember any single author that is like RED, in the sense of "How the steele was tempered". I can remember Cortazar writings about the Nicaraguan revolution or the novel that Vargas Llosa did imagining a succesful SP/MRTA revolution (the guerrilla in the book seemed mixed, I bet inspired mostly in the Nicaraguans, since in the novel they took a city and well, they were tolerant to christianity).
>>14998Yes, Neruda is one of those very critics of capitalism and imperialism. Based.
I am
>>14994 just in case.
Another writer that is critical of imperialism was Marti, just brainstorming some ideas.
>>15000Hum the last polls showed a technical tie.
But IDICE? Those are laughingstock. CIT? This one is special, because what poll is that one?
Ah, just checked, it's the poll from the ultraright wing newspaper Expreso.
As always, polls are to check tendencies, the big ones are coming other days to foreign press.
>>15019Are you Venezuelan?
Do people over there support Maduro?
Because the venezuelans here in Peru seem to hate him
>>15021The key is that if you aren't doing groundwork or in the social media campaign then only check it once or twice a day. That way you are able to don't waste time and keeped informed.
A poll will be published in tuesday, as always, it's matter of checking foreign media, in the first round the last one was published by EFE.
Also, today is the Keiko No Va manifestation, and yesterday a team of experts adjusted the death count to 150 000.
At least the sincerity counts.
>>15014That's just one of Keiko's moths triying to stir the water to international investors and made them prepare the Economic war.
Castillo has been moderated by force (since the left doesn't control parlament) and by politics (since you need to at least give the center an idea that this will not be another Vuvuzela).
Too much righwingzation and the party breaks with him, too much leftwing and you lose the election to Keiko. The point is to mantain a good program that doesn't betray the people, the teachers and the party but doesn't make the liberals go in droves to Keiko.
>>15026Hum looks like the goverment is the one doing accelerationism.
That is bad for everyone.
>>15030Being bored in this country is a crime bloody hell
Anyway, daily reminder to be calm and if you had time or do not have family in risk of fiying form Covid (the hospitals are full) go and act as personero.
>>15042>Juan Velasco AlvaradoPrime candidate for the prize of biggest outlier of the Cold War.
>>15043The thing is, local and international porkies will sabotage anything more radical than succdemism. Fuck, even that was deemed unacceptable by Brazilian porkies. Remember, capitalism is possibly in decay or at the very least still fragile from a history-setting crash, so it's to be expected for them to be even more awful than usual. I think that a break, or forcing local porkies into it, is the only choice from now on.
>>15041Hum, Peru Libre doesn't have a mayority in parliament (in fact, it has fewer seats there than Humala in 2011), so what has been pointed out is that the party will have to do some compromise here, compromise there, but if something meaningful wants to be passed they will have to mobilize people to put pressure in the congress.
Also, I am waiting for the foreign press poll
>>15047I remember a time where Peru 21 had socdems and reconverted maoists in their opinion pages.
Lol, it has been a wild ride.
>>15051Peru has never been great, the incan empire while amazing wasn't the peak either. Since the opinion or "Peru" originates with the Viceroyalty.
While also hilarious is that one of the theories of the origin of the "Peru" word is a mistranslation of the word "Viru" or the name of a nearby town the first european conquerors/explorers visited.
>>15068He, Lima is still horrible and grey as always.
Nothing comparable to the warm sun in the Andes.
>>15076I mean they could have used
at least distancing rules there. If anything it would make the mob seem larger.
>>15086>>15081Ahhhh
FFS I didn't get it at first.
lmao
>>15079A tactic straight out of the Brazilian playbook, I should add. But it worked there because the shirt isn't tied only to the sports team itself, and it's a popular everyday topwear.
Keiko's mememagic is weak.
>>15100>>15103Kek, the visiting doomer triying to stear fear.
Looks like no foreign press has published polls but th filtrated ones show an amazing technical tie.
Of course, here in Peru we are in electoral silence so I can't publish the polls obviously.
>>15109The two or three maoists here have them in good light. Seeing how ortodox they were, and that they are the start of their ideological line, followed partly in Nepal.
The rest of the left (the non maoist,ergo everyone else) doesn't have them in high standard either since they shouted "REVISIONIST" to everyone, from Cuba to the USSR. Even bombing the tomb of Velasco.
>>15101Calling it if "if" he wins
assuming they dont rig it they doing the whole fraud routine.
>>15126…
Ah yes, the world is only composed of 4 countries. And I'm surprised that you count Peru, last time I checked international mautists have a seizure about recongnizing the peace accords.
>>15131Ah, we are in it again.
Dude, the Fujis fell in 2000, now we are in 2021 and he could have retracted at least since 2009 (when the "megatrials" ended), he could communicate with his lawyers or do it in his published books after the 2007 trials.
Gonzaloites (specifically) suffer more of a love for bad PR.
>>15132>Stuff the corpse with dinamyte and blow it in the middle of a party.There is a reason why that is one of the most remembered assasinations in the history of Peru.
>>15134Dude, get that shit as far away as possible from this thread, this is not /ITG/
Comparing Moyano to the peak american leftist is an abhorrent insult to her.
>>15138Pfff, dude she died thirty years ago, it doesn't affect me.
What is with that obsession? Show of force? Gonna hang some dogs?
>>15139Lol, is pretty known that a good chunk of Gonzalo still believers go with Movadef arguing for the "political struggle" as is part of the armed struggle.
Do you know his lawyer was one of the leaders of it? And that their program argues for a total amnesty?
As if that will ever happen lol >>15142HAHAHAHA
Yeah, and a lawyer doesn't represent a client
>>15122Fuck you. If Keiko wins, I hope she goes to your home and rape your skull, you moron. The best chance you have to finally have a voice in the public sphere and you are calling for that shit.
Fuck you your reactionary shit.
>>15143Are you unwell? A lawyer representing a client and the movement representing the capitulationist guerrillas are not the same, even if one is part of the other.
>>15144Wishing rape on someone is not a vibe.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15146A defended couldn't find another lawyer, so he stayed with the one that was in a political line he was against in his own party
when that party is known for not tolerating other political lines for 20 years until the lawyer died
yeah he is dead and pursuit a political outcome he didn't favour.
Yeah
>>15150It's the force of seeing Peru and seeing that the famous PPW is either in the freezer (least likely) or in the trash (more likely).
>>15151Intersting! We have a maotist from the global south! I hope your war doesn't end up just being two bombs like the one in Ecuador lol
>>15153Shocking, I remember that when he got captured 5 foreign lawyears wanted to represent him lol
>>15160Good point
He doesn't have the means to prove he is right, I don't have the means to prove he is from the global south and not some Nechayevian let's say Austrian
>>15157>ah yes, deflectionAnd one wonders why they are irrelevant.
Said.
No one.
>>15163>Prove how a bourgeois state works against communistsOk give it 50 years for them to declassify the process and say they're sorry
>>15160Shut the fuck up projecting white boy, first-world comrades are communists not pink wave social domcrats that prop up a comprador bourgeoisie through bureaucratizing industry and selling our labor-power to China. Beat off, rat.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15166>Shut the fuck up projecting white boy, first-world comrades are communists not pink wave social domcrats that prop up a comprador bourgeoisie through bureaucratizing industry and selling our labor-power to China. Beat off, rat.Absolutely an American and a part of some kind of Operation Earnest Voice-style op. This is how they talk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Earnest_VoiceI've heard this exact same cadence from dipshits on Twitter talking about how the coup in Bolivia was good, actually, and we should support the Syrian rebels.
soviet_unionSoviet Union >>15166>Let's wait to prove how hard is for Guzman to get a lawyer that follows himHAHAHAHA
>Reverts to soyjacking>>298549Yeah, liberals, revisionists, dengoids, opportunists, etc, etc
Hehe, to think that 30 years have passed and the only "victorious" Maotist revolution resorted to compromise with the liberals hehehe
>>15166>Shut the fuck up projecting white boy, first-world comrades are communists not pink wave social domcrats that prop up a comprador bourgeoisie through bureaucratizing industry and selling our labor-power to China. Beat off, ratWhen you have your own flight carriers, your own nukes, your own drone army, when you have all of that, go find us here and propose your alternative, you reactionary piss drinker.
t. a third-world leftist.
>>15174At least the trot is involved in unions lol
>>298560>We will have 100 Granadas, 1000 Panamas! 10 000 Iraks!!Eat shit lol
>>14668>let's shoot a dozen inconsequential villagers, that'll show the porkies>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Miguel_del_Ene_attackbruh
These faggots are no better than the taliban, they're just killing random poor people, not even hitting juicy targets like when the Tamil Tigers destroyed 15% of Sri Lanka's tourist sector or 1.4% of its economy in a single attack.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandaranaike_Airport_attackI'll take electoralism over this bullshit LARP any day.
>>15197who cares. the government of peru has killed way more peasants in these villages than the senderos did, let alone the amount of people global capitalism has killed.
The only problem is that the Senderos were not able to break from the structurally violence of capitalisms and is now doomed to be victims of bourgeoise propaganda that self-proclaimed "leftists still repeat" repeat (same with the Khmer Rouge).
>I'll take electoralism over this bullshit LARP any day.Now you're just repeating rightist lines against Lenin, Stalin and Mao. It's all larp anyway as the Red Army were larping as the French Revolutionaries/ Paris Communes and the Chinese Red Army were larping as Soviets. What you are doing is essentially giving up on the masses and are going against the science of Marxism-Leninism
>>15213The practice of the Soviet Union and China before capitalist restoration proves otherwise, but, assuming you disagree with their economics, Lenin has already told us that to wait for global revolution is unrealistic and that we should sieze any opportunity for power and pave the road as we go.
Revolution is always justified!
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15211You really like to suck dicks.
I hope you are the first one here admitting being wrong when the bourgeoisie starts sabotaging him, what you gonna do.
>>15220Since when Castillo is a socialdemocrat? lmao. He's a communist.
He has proposed worker-owned productive forces in his speeches. Get rekt, you dicksucker.
>>15226>That's not what communism fucking is>MFWThe fucking ultra doesn't know what communism is, lmao
And dares to send me to read a book.
Just because I am homourous. What "book"? Pol Pot and his "communists" idea that was anarco-primitivism?
Just by curiosity, which one is. Because it would be really funny that after I had read Das Kapital 3 times, and I have read shitons of Lenins' works, Cockshott, Stalin's, Kropotkin, and Stirner, I want to see what shit author you pull out of your sleeve.
>>15227>It's really ironic if any of you had any grasp of theory you would see who the CIA is really backinAh yes, the CIA loves now the one that in his speeches publicly calls to democratize labor forces giving ownership of the productive force to workers.
Better back-up those claims with real evidence, lmao
Because we have real evidence that communists in the past were killed and coupled by the CIA. And if they are not doing so, is because Chinese influence allows thriving higher independence from U.S. hegemony.
>>15206>I've seen a video of Castillo saying he's not Marxist, seemingly rolling back on his positions. Is this genuine or just an attempt to get increase his vote share?Could you perhaps try to track down the source of where you read/heard this?
>>15208>Anyone running for bourgeois elections in this day is not a Marxist.Bullshit appeal to blind adventurism.
>>15211>A better statement is: even if Castillo wins, nothing will fundamentally change, as he is a representative of the bureaucrat-capitalist class against the comprador class, and will simply be a social democrat in practice like Evo or Maduro. >Nothing would changeThis is just plainly false, in terms of material reality.
Also even for Maoists it's been made abundantly clear that it's better for them to rise with an ML/socdem leadership that then cucks out vs what happened with the PCP experience. Both Philippine and Nepalese Maoists are way ahead today as a result and you're coping badly with this fact.
>>15212>Socialism through bourgeois elections is impossible,Seems you need to re-read Lenin. The point of participating in elections for communists is to reach out to the wider populace in articulating your critique and program to raise class consciousness, not to expect to win by ballot-box (but recent decades have shown for this to be a possibility still in some cases, when paired with the threat of a more militant alternative, like the case in Nepal again).
>An active election boycott is the best way to court the massesUnder a military junta? Sure. Fascist govt? Yeah. Mainstreamed "liberal democratic government"? No.
You'd just be appealing to elements within the petit-bourgeois, like anarchists do, that find adventurism exciting. You're not after consciousness raising or to achieve
a successful revolution.
You're just advocating for dopamine rushes for small, bored, relatively well-off cliques. In reality you ignore Mao, Lenin, Marx.
Gonzaloists lead revolutionaries astray.
>>15229>>15229BUT BRING THE FUCKING BOOK, AND DON'T DEFLECT, YOU MORON
Lmao, you are really digging into your miasmatic shit.
>>15230>Ah yes, the CIA loves now the one that in his speeches publicly calls to democratize labor forces giving ownership of the productive force to workers.This isn't socialism. Co-operatives still yield profit and capital, the CIA doesn't care if it has to put up with one.
>>15231>This is just plainly false, in terms of material reality. >Also even for Maoists it's been made abundantly clear that it's better for them to rise with an ML/socdem leadership that then cucks out vs what happened with the PCP experience. Both Philippine and Nepalese Maoists are way ahead today as a result and you're coping badly with this fact.No it isn't brainlet. They aren't "way ahead" they're capitulationists who tail the liberal establishment.
>Seems you need to re-read Lenin.The willful misinterpretation of LWC by retards has been the worst thing to come out of the Bolshevik revolution lmao. Our situation is different, there is no chance to raise class conscious in a process the masses have no faith in or take part in. Nearly 42% of the electorate either did not vote or voted white or null, in the "most important" election according to the media. That should tell you something about your dated practice. Put up or shut up.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15220>>15220>emember what Maduro is doing right now, killing communists in the Colombian borderhttps://www.laiguana.tv/articulos/906893-farc-ep-deslindarse-caso-apure/
>Ejércitos de países vecinos no son objetivos militares: FARC-EP se deslinda de hechos en ApureArmies of neighboring countries are not military objectives: FARC-EP demarcates from events in Apure
You're sperging lies. Get banned, CIA-Operative
chavismoChavismo >>15245>Guys they said it was unfortunate so they're not counter-revolutionarySTOP
COPING
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso >>15120Good ideology, absolutely autistic praxis
>>15117Peruvians don't like the SP white boy
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