No.15201
>>15126>>15134Fucking lol MLMs vindicated
No.15203
Lmao this is the funniest thread of the week
No.15207
>>15197who cares. the government of peru has killed way more peasants in these villages than the senderos did, let alone the amount of people global capitalism has killed.
The only problem is that the Senderos were not able to break from the structurally violence of capitalisms and is now doomed to be victims of bourgeoise propaganda that self-proclaimed "leftists still repeat" repeat (same with the Khmer Rouge).
>I'll take electoralism over this bullshit LARP any day.Now you're just repeating rightist lines against Lenin, Stalin and Mao. It's all larp anyway as the Red Army were larping as the French Revolutionaries/ Paris Communes and the Chinese Red Army were larping as Soviets. What you are doing is essentially giving up on the masses and are going against the science of Marxism-Leninism
No.15210
Even if Castillo wins, the Fujimori clan will try to kick him out, coup him or whatever
No.15211
>>15210A better statement is: even if Castillo wins, nothing will fundamentally change, as he is a representative of the bureaucrat-capitalist class against the comprador class, and will simply be a social democrat in practice like Evo or Maduro. Certainly not a socialist.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15212
Socialism through bourgeois elections is impossible, there is no lesser evil, etc. etc.
An active election boycott is the best way to court the masses and prepare them for revolution.sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
No.15213
>>15211Socialism in one country is impossible
No.15214
>>15213The practice of the Soviet Union and China before capitalist restoration proves otherwise, but, assuming you disagree with their economics, Lenin has already told us that to wait for global revolution is unrealistic and that we should sieze any opportunity for power and pave the road as we go.
Revolution is always justified!
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15215
>>15211You really like to suck dicks.
I hope you are the first one here admitting being wrong when the bourgeoisie starts sabotaging him, what you gonna do.
No.15217
>>15215I don't care about inter-bourgeois struggles.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15218
>>15212>socialism is one country?>what about socialism in 0 countries?>What about that, HUH?That's the circlejerking of ultras.
No.15219
>>15217>ah yes, better call the one that won't form death squads to kill us bourgeois, and put him on the same level as those who actually sent death squads to kill us.The moronic state of ultras.
No.15220
>>15218>>15219You can't be serious, social democrats have always worked against communists. Remember what happened to Rosa? Remember what Maduro is doing right now, killing communists in the Colombian border? Castillo will do exactly the same, he has already proclaimed to be a rondero and to hate revolutionary communists. Your pink wave opportunism has been an absolute detriment to proletarian revolutions.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15221
>>15218>>15219I highly suggest reading the article above to get a clear picture of the inter-bourgeois struggles going on in Peru right now.
>>15208sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15222
>>15181this
transhumanismTranshumanism No.15223
>>15220Since when Castillo is a socialdemocrat? lmao. He's a communist.
He has proposed worker-owned productive forces in his speeches. Get rekt, you dicksucker.
No.15224
Not so long ago ours was the Marxist-Leninist position. The absolute intellectual bankruptcy of the ML movement since Khruschev is obvious to anyone.sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
No.15225
>>299220
I don't read CIA-glow post operatives, sorry.
No.15226
>>15223That's not what communism fucking is. "Le workers own productive forces" holy shit read a book. Communism the total negation of capitalism and the abolition of private property, if I were to really dumb it down for you.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15227
>>15225It's really ironic, if any of you had any grasp of theory you would see who the CIA is really backing. Hint: it's not the workers stealing weapons from the state to take full control of it.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15228
>>15226>That's not what communism fucking is>MFWThe fucking ultra doesn't know what communism is, lmao
And dares to send me to read a book.
Just because I am homourous. What "book"? Pol Pot and his "communists" idea that was anarco-primitivism?
Just by curiosity, which one is. Because it would be really funny that after I had read Das Kapital 3 times, and I have read shitons of Lenins' works, Cockshott, Stalin's, Kropotkin, and Stirner, I want to see what shit author you pull out of your sleeve.
No.15229
>>15228You sound like a lying idiot.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15230
>>15227>It's really ironic if any of you had any grasp of theory you would see who the CIA is really backinAh yes, the CIA loves now the one that in his speeches publicly calls to democratize labor forces giving ownership of the productive force to workers.
Better back-up those claims with real evidence, lmao
Because we have real evidence that communists in the past were killed and coupled by the CIA. And if they are not doing so, is because Chinese influence allows thriving higher independence from U.S. hegemony.
No.15231
>>15206>I've seen a video of Castillo saying he's not Marxist, seemingly rolling back on his positions. Is this genuine or just an attempt to get increase his vote share?Could you perhaps try to track down the source of where you read/heard this?
>>15208>Anyone running for bourgeois elections in this day is not a Marxist.Bullshit appeal to blind adventurism.
>>15211>A better statement is: even if Castillo wins, nothing will fundamentally change, as he is a representative of the bureaucrat-capitalist class against the comprador class, and will simply be a social democrat in practice like Evo or Maduro. >Nothing would changeThis is just plainly false, in terms of material reality.
Also even for Maoists it's been made abundantly clear that it's better for them to rise with an ML/socdem leadership that then cucks out vs what happened with the PCP experience. Both Philippine and Nepalese Maoists are way ahead today as a result and you're coping badly with this fact.
>>15212>Socialism through bourgeois elections is impossible,Seems you need to re-read Lenin. The point of participating in elections for communists is to reach out to the wider populace in articulating your critique and program to raise class consciousness, not to expect to win by ballot-box (but recent decades have shown for this to be a possibility still in some cases, when paired with the threat of a more militant alternative, like the case in Nepal again).
>An active election boycott is the best way to court the massesUnder a military junta? Sure. Fascist govt? Yeah. Mainstreamed "liberal democratic government"? No.
You'd just be appealing to elements within the petit-bourgeois, like anarchists do, that find adventurism exciting. You're not after consciousness raising or to achieve
a successful revolution.
You're just advocating for dopamine rushes for small, bored, relatively well-off cliques. In reality you ignore Mao, Lenin, Marx.
Gonzaloists lead revolutionaries astray.
No.15232
>>15229>>15229BUT BRING THE FUCKING BOOK, AND DON'T DEFLECT, YOU MORON
Lmao, you are really digging into your miasmatic shit.
No.15233
Castillo represents the possibility to build Dual Power in Peru. i dont think anyone is delusional enough to think he's the end goal and will initiate communism. Though I do doubt anything new will happen since Communist Party of Peru broke with Castillo anyway.
Lets see if the masses use Castillo for a further purpose rather than Castillo being a stooge for Comprador regimes
No.15234
>support no leftist movements that aren't revolutionary in spite of suffering, in the belief that true communism will actually come
that must take a religious amount of belief. tell it to the peruvians who will suffer if castro loses
No.15235
>>15230>Ah yes, the CIA loves now the one that in his speeches publicly calls to democratize labor forces giving ownership of the productive force to workers.This isn't socialism. Co-operatives still yield profit and capital, the CIA doesn't care if it has to put up with one.
>>15231>This is just plainly false, in terms of material reality. >Also even for Maoists it's been made abundantly clear that it's better for them to rise with an ML/socdem leadership that then cucks out vs what happened with the PCP experience. Both Philippine and Nepalese Maoists are way ahead today as a result and you're coping badly with this fact.No it isn't brainlet. They aren't "way ahead" they're capitulationists who tail the liberal establishment.
>Seems you need to re-read Lenin.The willful misinterpretation of LWC by retards has been the worst thing to come out of the Bolshevik revolution lmao. Our situation is different, there is no chance to raise class conscious in a process the masses have no faith in or take part in. Nearly 42% of the electorate either did not vote or voted white or null, in the "most important" election according to the media. That should tell you something about your dated practice. Put up or shut up.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15236
>>15231>Could you perhaps try to track down the source of where you read/heard this?Found it, he says it at 5:33. I can't speak Spanish at all, but it's pretty clear.
https://youtu.be/lVIa9adFv3YjucheJuche No.15237
>>15234Tell it to the most oppressed masses who don't even vote? Yeah ok, I guess. Fucking liberal, gassing up bourgeois politicians against the wishes of the masses, you're a cretin to them, a rat.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15238
>>15237then where is the revolution if that's what they wish for?
No.15239
>>15238Growing in the Andes and the Amazon. You won't hear about it in the mainstream media.
https://ci-ic.org/ No.15240
>>15239let's pretend that's true. letting right wingers win bourgeois elections helps this process, "trust us?" you sound like a glowie
No.15241
>>15240There is no left or right, no good or bad, only proletarian or bourgeois, and the government is unequivocally bourgeois.
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15242
Made a new thread: >>299257
No.15243
>>15220>Remember what Maduro is doing right now, killing communistsI don't remember that and please stop trying to cook my baby.
No.15244
>>299263
Who could possibly believe that taking control of the bourgeois apparatus means you adopting bourgeois politics??? Unheard of!sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso
No.15245
>>15220>>15220>emember what Maduro is doing right now, killing communists in the Colombian borderhttps://www.laiguana.tv/articulos/906893-farc-ep-deslindarse-caso-apure/
>Ejércitos de países vecinos no son objetivos militares: FARC-EP se deslinda de hechos en ApureArmies of neighboring countries are not military objectives: FARC-EP demarcates from events in Apure
You're sperging lies. Get banned, CIA-Operative
chavismoChavismo No.15246
>>15245>Guys they said it was unfortunate so they're not counter-revolutionarySTOP
COPING
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.15247
>>15120Good ideology, absolutely autistic praxis
>>15117Peruvians don't like the SP white boy
No.15248
>>15139Dilate, resorting to conspiracy theories
No.15249
>>15239False information, and irrelevant, they're cornered in a single valley and largely just supply coca paste to not starve lmao, even if they are growing they'll just get pushed back, no one is going to join that organization because it's
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