No.20294[Last 50 Posts]
The USA is trying to manufacture a happening in Cuba:
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1414328377683718148Is this cause for concern or just a meaningless glow OP?
NOTICE:THREAD IS ON HIGH GUSANO ALERTislamic_communismIslamic Communism No.20295
didn't they recently say they were going to loosen restrictions? thats what happens
No.20296
Tell us what's going on in the picture for those of us that don't want to go to your twitter shit.
No.20299
Nothingburger. Trying to manufacture consent.
No.20300
>an American flag
It makes you wonder doesn't it?
No.20302
I personally hope that it is a form of "uprising" of the Yeltsin kind. If only because I want to see the full destruction of Cuba after it's "liberalized" and all of those people who may have had secure employment and a house and ration cards to have expensive unaffordable food, homelessness and unaffordable rent.
Don't get me wrong I don't want people to suffer but I'd consider it a lesson to these people to know what they will be losing. Russia learned the hard way, and so will Cuba if it goes down this path.
No.20305
>>370328
how are you Agent Sánchez?
what is the weather like in Miami?
No.20306
I remember someone did a journalist investigation.
When Obama started to lift sanctions or the process of lifting them, Cuba agreed to also be open with their cultural relationship with artists from Cuba living in the U.S. allowing them to be close to Cuba, too. From there, they created some sort of ONG related to music and youth. In the end, is pure USAID/NED shit.
No.20307
A weird post appeared here a few hours ago talking about overthrowing the Cuban commies and the jannies deleted it. Something was up. Looks similar to previous campaigns such as SOSNicaragua where glowies and gusanos try to astroturf a color revolution into motion. Generate a few hundred people to march down the street and yell a bunch, present them as bigger than they and then the pictures get shilled hard to try to generate momentum with lots of hashtag mongering.
Incidentally, Diaz-Canel just did a ceremony to wish the Olympics team good luck.
>>20302Hoping for a counter-revolution to destroy a socialist state so people will suffer and then be reminded why socialism is good. Big brain.
No.20308
>>20301Look at this "brutal" Cuban regime. Those cops are driving off after getting hit with stones by these "freedom fighters". But look at these American "peace" officers only doing their job and running over these "terrorists".
No.20310
If they try anything all subhuman counterrevolutionaries will be decimated
No.20312
>>20307In a world where socialism is on the defensive yes. They need to be reminded, freshly reminded why socialism is good. It's like a spoiled child, you need to punish them and take away their toys and candy to remind them who's boss, to remind them if they act out they'll lose the roof over their head, their food, their lives.
No.20313
>The First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Party and President of Cuba, Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, was in San Antonio de los Baños, and appeared before Cuban public TV, from where he addressed the people.
>During his statements, the Head of State denounced the participation of the US administration in the historic political destabilization actions that are taking place against Cuba, and which have intensified, particularly during the pandemic.
>He illustrated with concrete examples that occurred between 2020 and 2021, particularly difficult years in which the economic, commercial and financial blockade against the Island has been hardened to cruelty, with the purpose of suffocating the island's economy, and ending interference.
[…]
>In San Antonio de los Baños, he says, a group of people gathered in one of the most central parks to claim, even revolutionary people who may be confused by the misinformation on social networks joined.
>"We call on all revolutionaries to take to the streets to defend the Revolution in all places," said Díaz-Canel.
>"We are not going to hand over the sovereignty of our homeland," he said.
No.20314
>>20307>Cuban commies and the jannies deleted it. Something was up. Looks similar to previous campaigns such as SOSNicaragua where glowies and gusanos try to astroturf a color revolution into motionI saw yesterday trending in Twitter U.S. SOSCuba and SOSNicaragua in the top 10.
No.20319
>>370355
Hey! Agent Martinez! What are you doing on leftypol? Your not on shift. Oh you're on duty to replace the water gallon in the break room
No.20320
>>20307This is a full on glowie operation.
No.20321
>>370355Someone hasn't read their color revolution handbook where the point is to provoke an overreaction from the state. Tried it in Hong Kong too.
>>20320100%
No.20322
>>370355
This carefully orchestrated transition conspiratory shit literally has never happened in the history of socialist governments. Even in cases such as the USSR it was more about the carelessness of reformers who didn't deal with liberals like Yeltsin in time.
Not trying to defend Gorbachev, I still think he bears most of the responsibility, alongside other reformer party members, however even if you think they all did it on purpose there's no way to prove that. I'm far more inclined to believe they were all just utopians who thought they could liberalize while mantaining the union without realizing someone like Yeltsin would come to fuck everything up. Stupidity far likelier than careful planning to willfully destroy the country.
Regardless, shit is just starting. What's the most agressive thing the protestors have done yet? Throw rocks at cop cars? It's nothing extreme yet, if they try anything more radical they will get fucked by the cops or army if necessary/ Reminder that the HK police dealt with the color revolution without killing a single person.
No.20323
>>20313This is how you defend a revolution by calling volunteers of socialist patriots. You don't need the police or military, just people who love their country who will resist the counter-revolutionary reactionaries. It's hilarious that Trump engaged in this very thing which is socialist in character but was used for "protecting private property" during the 2020 uprisings. It is commendable that Trump engages in socialist like rhetorical and behavior asking the people to rise up. Socialism doesn't need police, it just needs a red-brigade of volunteers to fight for the defense of the revolution.
No.20324
>>20321And what’s going to happen when the state puts their foot down? They’re already allegedly being sanctioned by America, are the imperialists going to invade? Because Russia and China would nuke America to oblivion if they tried. So Cuba has nothing to lose…unless they’re intending to be replaced with an open American ally
No.20325
>>20324>Because Russia and China would nuke America to oblivion if they tried.No they won't. Russia and China are capitalist.
No.20328
>>20325BEEP BEEP BEEP!!! GLOWIE ALERT!!! GLOWIE ALERT!!! WEEE WOOO WEE WOO!!! GLOWIE HAS ENTERED THE BUILDING, REPEAT GLOWIE HAS ENTERED THE BUILDING!!!
No.20330
>>20302Nah bro. It sucks if we lose Cuba. We lost Russia and look at it now. No chance of Russia becoming truly communist anytime soon.
No.20331
>>20302Nah bro. It sucks if we lose Cuba. We lost Russia and look at it now. No chance of Russia becoming truly communist anytime soon.
>>20307They even got Mia Khalifa to post about it 2 days ago.
No.20332
>>20325>>20324If America tries shit in Cuba China will 100% take over Taiwan
No.20333
>>20332this x100
ak-47AK-47 No.20335
>>20332With their long-term state capitalist goals, it wouldn't make any sense for them to ruin all that by invading Taiwan. They still have deep trade relations with Taiwan despite whatever mainstream news is reporting.
No.20336
>>20302As a Latin American, fuck you bitch.
>>20294Amerilards getting ever more desperate, their empire is crumbling. It's like watching a cornered animal. Sad! (and funny)
chavismoChavismo No.20337
The right to freely speak should be denied to the reactionary elements, bourgeoise, and people's enemies.allendeAllende
No.20338
Reminder that a single guy, a non state actor, could completely DECIMATE the Cuban and Venezuelan militaries in a single day, and China wouldn't be able to do shit as long as that guy wasn't connected to the US Government. 1 Man destroys 60 years of socialism. After 2020, you get what you fucking deserve. FUCK COMMIES.
No.20339
Oh God, this hasn't reached the news cycle where I'm from yet. I already feel sick to my gut thinking of the libs who'll stan for this.
No.20340
>>20339Me neither. Not even in Twitter. Just some low traffic
No.20341
>>20338Is this from a Rambo movie
No.20343
>>20341I see myself more like Pierce Brosnan's Bond.
No.20345
i don' really feel much shit here.
No.20347
>>20294A friendly remind to everyone that Cuba is a revisionary fascist dictatorship.
Shit Castro wasn't even a communist after the revolution as he claimed that communism isn't cristian and he was friendly to Franco. Like chavez (before he assumed power) he just wanted to have independence but there wasn't a "right wing" (or anything that isn't communist) anti USA government in latin america, that's why they choose socialism.
No.20348
reminder Cuba is probably the most socialist state in the world currently
No.20349
>>20347What's up with influx of these style comments?
Complete dogshit liberalism
No.20350
Since everybody is talking about Cuba: Why is the cuban government tolerating Guantanamo?
No.20351
>>20349Yeah I've noticed a lot of general pessimism type comments from what seems like a very minor protest here.
No.20352
>>20350It can't really liberate it without probably starting a war with the USA.
lenin_capLenin Cap No.20353
>>20350what exactly do you want cuba to do about guantanamo in their current situation? invade it? and then what? get carpet bombed?
islamic_communismIslamic Communism No.20354
>>20350Trying to expel them by force would be considered an act of war by the US.
https://youtu.be/0dU4IMex4FU No.20355
Chilean rightoids are already taking advantage of this #SOScuba shit while our cops just murdered another indigenous person and they celebrate or at best say nothing about it. Fucking sociopath clowns.
No.20356
>>20352>>20353Isn't this proof, that Cuba has no sovereignty?
No.20357
>>20328Russia is certainly capitalist and both Russia and China probably don’t want use Nukes retard
eurekaEureka No.20359
>>20356What the hell are you talking about
No.20360
>>20344no this is
>>20346I don't mean 300 blackwater dudes chilling out and trying to have a little insurrection with real guns this time. I mean that if you cut the head off of a non mythic snake it doesn't grow back.
>Al Qaeda lost Bin Laden and they went away>ISIS lost Al Baghdadi and they're not coming back>not to mention the propaganda victory it is once the heads diedSome prince kills a few of his family members over petty shit and the Nepalese royal family is defunct shortly after. This guy should really be considered a commie hero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_royal_massacre No.20362
>>20357hey CIA man why not spill some secrets for us?
No.20363
>Americans talk about switching jobs
<OMG, AMERIKKKA IS GOING TO FALL ANY DAY NOW!!1!
>Cubans stage some big protests
<Hehe totally nothing to see here
The absolute state of leftypol
No.20364
>>20362Are you contesting that Russia is socialist or that China/Russia would steer towards the literal kinetic use of nukes?
eurekaEureka No.20366
>>20363Your shit stinks of demoralization.
>>20364i don't know I meant to quote
>>20356 No.20367
>>370355
Glowuygha
No.20368
This is making me plunge in the deepest of blackpills.
We're really gonna have 1000 years of liberalism, aren't we?sandinistaSandinista
No.20369
Why are there so many glowies in this thread?
Does CIA funding cover even Leftypol now?
No.20370
>>20366>Your shit stinks of demoralization.I'm just trying to point out an inconsistency in leftypol's logic.
>>20368As long as China is around, you probably have nothing to worry about. Cuba going lib would be pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
No.20371
>>20369they even contacted Mia Khalifa
I have 0 doubts we have some glowies in here
No.20372
>>20365What's glowie about wanting to turn the bunch of demoralized cowards in this thread towards more productive behavior? Turn demoralization into revolutionary anger to inflict on the enemies of the people.
No.20374
>>20358Well, if you let foreign powers to dictate what is happening on your OWN soil, isn't this proof, that you are nothing more than a vassal state?
No.20375
>>20370<ChinaWhere the fuck are they in this moment?
When Russia had to protect its Syrian ally they intervened and BTFOed the opposition, China?
Their non intervention shit is the biggest blackpill imaginable
sandinistaSandinista No.20376
>>20375Chinese special forces operate in Syria.
No.20377
oh nononono people protesting we cant have that
No.20378
>>20376A very small bunch and in an inconsequential way (most likely intel gathering).
As long as China will not pay back we'll be trampled by a wave of color revolutions and liberalism.
sandinistaSandinista No.20379
>>370512
Glow
No.20381
>>20373Instead of using the police or secret police why can't they just get regular patriots to volunteer? Using police or secret police only justifies in the eyes of the counter-revolutionaries that their cause is just. The say to defend a revolution is through regular peopy volunteering which discourages the masses from any monkey business.
No.20382
>>20362Putin wouldn't give a fuck about China if I told him that the Old World Order is back and it's Me (USA), Modi, Macron (political chameleon), Kagame, Boris, Bolsonaro, Orban, and him vs. China and all other communist countries and insufficiently right wing governments (Germany, Belgium, Sweden, etc)
Fallout: New Vegas is literally a simulation for my future political moves, and I know that the average NCR man doesn't give a fuck about House or Caesar as long as they're personally doing pretty good.
rethuglicanRethuglican No.20384
>>20375What do you mean, is China supposed to be the world police now? If anything they're smart by not getting involved in dumb proxy conflicts.
No.20386
>>20381>Instead of using the police or secret police why can't they just get regular patriots to volunteer?They are using both
No.20388
>low camera angle
>protest b/w 50-200
am shaken
No.20389
>>20385No officer, setting Americracker lawns on fire won't resist the situation on Cuba. Try to find a better line.
No.20390
>>20360all those organizations failed for completely different reasons dumbass, this isnt one of your shitty burger movies or video games where all the npcs die once the queen is killed.
Do you honestly believe Cuba would collapse if they killed Diaz-Canel? dont be ridiculous
No.20391
>>20384No, I'm saying that the Us and China are playing a rigged game, cause the Us can depose via color revolutions and coups non aligned government and China cannot.
You can't win this game.
sandinistaSandinista No.20392
>>20374Youre fucking retarded. Socialist Cuba has been a vassal state of the USA and no prerev porkies have gotten their land and properties back?
No.20393
So? Cuba isn't even socialist. The ruling class does not represent the workers and is just a aristocratic government like all of right wing latino countries meanwhile the bourgeois is literally non-existent in there. You know that socialism is just a transition and not a complete anihilation of the porkys right? China knows this and that's why they control the burgos.
No.20394
>>20360Irrelevant. Castro, Che, Ho Chi Minh are all dead but their legacies stand. Why is that?
>nepalese royal familyThat's because monarchy is a bankrupt concept in the 21st century. Why should people keep inbreds in power just because some ancestor of theirs won some dumb battle centuries ago?
>>20363Yeah right, "Cubans". Pic related
chavismoChavismo No.20395
>>20389Cry more demoralizing fed
No.20396
>>20391That's why you have to change the game. Just like if you were fighting a superior enemy, you wouldn't fight them on their own terms, or in a conventional battle.
No.20397
>>20393Is this just one dude shitting up the thread by posting glowie takes now?
No.20398
>>20393socialists would lose a good potential nuke launching site though
No.20399
>>20391China can just use their economic might to bring countries into their camp, as they have been doing with their Belt and Road Initiative. You don't to respond to every threat with armed force.
No.20400
>>20397I'm convinced there is a heavy operation going on in social media and perhaps even here
No.20401
imagine thinking being the CIA and trying to convience a hundred of random fags that socialism is cringe. /pol/ is based! Yeah fucking right.
No.20402
>>20394>Yeah right, "Cubans". Pic relatedYes, I'm sure that all the protesters are Cuban-Americans who snuck into the country /s
No.20403
>>20396Can't change the game.
There's too much violence on the other side.
You have scarce nuance or space to maneouvre.
sandinistaSandinista No.20404
>>20402>/s Reddit is that way
No.20405
>>20392Someone ban this faggot liberal
No.20408
>>20404>muh reddit boogeymanCome up with actual arguments next time, okay?
No.20409
>>20407Probably just a troll. Leftypol takes bait like crazy.
No.20410
>>20405>Guantanamo means that Cuba is a vassal of the USAI bet you smell like burgers
No.20412
Why is /leftypol/ always short on mods?
No.20414
>>20411>No argumentsI guess I won then
No.20419
>>20403Imagine this:
<There are 10 pro China states and 10 pro Us one at the start<Us coups 2 and stages color rev in 2<Now there are 14 Pro Us states and 6 pro China ones No.20420
>>20414oh no some random fags online really matter
hey cia uygha hope ya get ya paycheck. A good one too. I mean that sincerely go feed yo family. Keep shit posting here, who gives a shit?
No.20422
>>20400>I'm convinced there is a heavy operation going on in social media and perhaps even hereIt's a pattern with glow ops where they flood the zone and try to define the terms of the debate at the outset. They come in with a united front and try to crack opponents so they control / set the terms.
No.20423
>>20410Oh I thought it was you that was saying Cuba is a vassal. This thread is being shitted up by liberals and demoralizers.
No.20424
>>20421extremely cursed image
No.20425
OK dudes, this shill is not worth responding to. Please do not take the bait and let the tax dollars go to waste on this retard.
No.20426
I would very much lile for Cuba to go down hard om these people.
The problem is that Cuba has no military support as of now.
They're alone.
No.20429
>>20425But I b8 to b8 and the thought of bending over b8r’s and assfucking them raw.
No.20431
>>20390>>20394I don't wanna kill NPC's at all, that's a useless McNamara strategy.
>Do you honestly believe Cuba would collapse if they killed Diaz-Canel? dont be ridiculous.Culling various people in the top 20% according to the pareto principle destroys any organization, I think as little of.
Once Tony Soprano was gone, that was the death knell of his organization, killing him doesn't singlehandedley ruin the group if he's the first and only casualty, but after what– half the gang was gone since from like Season 4? The family is gone before a Season 7 can even be filmed so to speak.
rethuglicanRethuglican No.20432
>>20426>They're alone.Where the fuck is socialist internationalism when you need it the most? (Looking at you China)
No.20433
>>20300My first thought
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20434
>>20428You're welcome anon-kun. Now make sure your ass is safe I guess? Who literally gives a shit about what we think here?
No.20435
>>20431I think as little of
rethuglicanRethuglican No.20437
>>20419Imagine this:
<There are 10 pro China states and 10 pro Us one at the start<Us coups 1 and stages color rev in 2, and China builds belts an roads in 6<Now there are 7 Pro Us states and 13 pro China ones No.20439
>>20431I think as little of 5% would basically wreck Cuba and Venezuela
No.20440
>>20302>I want to see the full destruction of Cuba after it's "liberalized" and all of those people who may have had secure employment and a house and ration cards to have expensive unaffordable food, homelessness and unaffordable rent. Passionate.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20441
>>20431>unironically using the pareto principle as an argument>outdated pop culture referencesyou truly have no clue what you are talking about
No.20442
Any live feed to follow what's happening on the ground?
No.20443
>>20307I think I've said this on this board before but Marco Rubio is always the spearhead for glow operations. It's quite odd, I wonder if he has actual connections within the agencies.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20444
>>20407yeah there is some crazy astroturfing here
ak-47AK-47 No.20448
>>20441>disposition matrix the top 10% of Cuban military officers>a bunch of random conscripts say fuck this and surrender because they're not jihadists who believe that dying = power ups in the afterlife>???>Grenada 2.0>>20443From wikipedia
>In October 2011, The Washington Post reported that Rubio's previous statements that his parents were forced to leave Cuba in 1959 (after Fidel Castro came to power) were embellishments.[4] His parents actually left Cuba in 1956, during the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.[4] According to the Post, "[in] Florida, being connected to the post-revolution exile community gives a politician cachet that could never be achieved by someone identified with the pre-Castro exodus, a group sometimes viewed with suspicion."[4] Rubio denied that he had embellished his family history, stating that his public statements about his family were based on "family lore".[4] >family loreI love a good foundation myth, makes war easier to fight.
No.20449
>>20436They are even trying to pass off the counter-demonstrations as being the pro-USA crowd with fake audio. There's a strong glow campaign going on right now, including all the usual social media shenanigans. Mia Khalifa posted about Cuba 2 days ago. Blue check people get paid to post shit about it. Expect the online anarchists, leftcoms and Vaushites to post about this for the next weeks. Expect Reddit front page posts.
The video has a low camera angle and about 100 to 500 people. Now they will amplify it in the media and say the entirety of Cuba is revolting.
This is how they start color revolutions. They hope people inside Cuba will believe the foreign news and that it will snowball from there. But the president of Cuba already told the volunteers to come out and counter-protest against these gusanos.
I'm not super worried as of now, they try this shit every couple of years. This is exactly what they did with Hong Kong too, but it didn't work there and it hopefully won't work now.
No.20450
>>20448Yeah I understand his family is gusano, but he will get up in the business of totally other countries. Hong Kong springs to mind, he was at the forefront of that. There are very likely more that I'm forgetting but I just recall that nearly every single time there was a glow op somewhere he just "happened" to be there early running his mouth.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20452
>>20431>killing 5% of the population will cause disruption>assassinating more than 500000 cubans might cause problems for the countryyou dont say?
No.20453
>>20452I mean the 5% (25%) of 20% in a disposition matrix, not murdering the top 5% of a completely equally distributed society.
No.20454
>>20437<Assuming Bri deals are irreversible when Italy literally reverted its deal under Us threatsI can see where are you pointing anon, but you are underestimating the power of sheer violence and coercion.
A bunch of infrastructure does not change the political landscape of a country.
No.20455
>>370328
Your ancestors got cucked in the bay of pigs, gusano.
No.20457
>>20451Я не говорю-по-испански, либерах.
No.20459
>>20448>disposition matrix the top 10% of Cuban military officers>a bunch of random conscripts say fuck this and surrender because they're not jihadists who believe that dying = power ups in the afterlife>???>Grenada 2.0because that worked that well against vietnam? Or against the soviets in the russian civil war? you know people have more reasons to die for than virgins in jannah, right?
No.20460
>>20436Fucking based. The fuckin glowies are trying to doctor this shit. Social media will not allow this to happen, its funny because every one of these mobilizations you literally see the cops dipping from the god damn neighborhood when shit gets crazy so you know for a fact that there ain't no brutal dictatorship coming down on the people. The cops in Cuba don't let shit escalate to riots because they leave and you see this proof from videos recorded by citizens and not the government. The god damn glowie American opps are trying to destroy Cuba
MAKE SURE YOU SIGNAL BOOST THE RESISTANCE ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA DO YOUR PART COMRADES No.20461
I want to ask an honest question. Do you think the CIA and similar orgs would actually post much on this board? This place has a rather small userbase and doesn't really have much influence on broader politics. Additionally, this board is paranoid as fuck and does not seem likely to fall for obvious CIA propaganda. If I were the CIA I would probably focus more on Reddit and Twitter if I were to try to meddle with online leftist communities.
Additionally, I would probably be more subtle. I wouldn't say "Yay, go [insert color revolution]!", as that would give me away rather quick. I would probably say something along the lines of "The US shouldn't be meddling in Cuba, but I think that Cuba is handling the situation the wrong way" or some other subtle way of getting people to be less supportive of a government that is targeted by a color revolution. This would give some plausible deniability if someone accuses you of being a fed who supports a color revolution. Additionally, I would probably do some D&C shit, perhaps by calling everyone with a fed or a fake leftist. At any rate, the CIA would probably do this on Twitter or something and not some obscure Mongolian basket weaving forum.
No.20464
>>20462Holy mother of
B A S E D
No.20467
>>20461> At any rate, the CIA would probably do this on Twitter or something and not some obscure Mongolian basket weaving forum.They don't post here all the time, but they try to go full force everywhere they can right in the beginning so they can frame the conversation
No.20468
>>20454That's not how things usually go down though. Besides, even if the US is able to cancel 5/10 BRI projects, that still leaves 5.
No.20469
>>20459Those were wars, the people who wanted to fight in them actually wanted to and there was a lot of them.
Social media warfare is probably superior to gun warfare at this point, Pvt. Diaz and Cpl. Batista will surrender when they realize that they'll never get to see Evangelion 4.0 if they obey the orders of the 9th guy in line to run the fucking country.
No.20470
>>20338what did he mean by this
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20471
>>20467But it would still be a lot of effort with little reward. Just look at how everyone in this thread is responding to the so-called "glowies". Does anyone have any actual evidence of fedposting? In particular, I wonder if any mods could pick out suspicious IP addresses (although I'd probably use a VPN if I were a fed, thus making fedposters hard to track)
No.20472
>>20347They were basically forced into the arms of Marxism by the fact of imperial aggression.
I'll never understand, why the American elites have such hubris.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20473
>>20469God bless America
gadsdenGadsden No.20474
>>20363There are big protests all the time in America and barely to nothing changes. Nothing even truly changed from last year lol
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20475
>>20469oh you're just memeing, sorry, to dense to realize
No.20476
>>20460Not a whole lot can be gained – and there's a lot to lose – from coming down hard on a crowd of randoms unless they're going to camp out in front of the legislature. They probably care more about the leaders, organizers and networkers who are plugged into the color rev op.
No.20477
>>20462They all look obese, non-healthy and adults. I have seen young people and more fitness on the other side. It's obvious who will win.
anarcho-capitalismAnarcho-Capitalism No.20480
>>20479Do you have any suspicious IP addresses?
No.20482
>>370707
>Great man theory.
No.20483
I'm afraid of getting vanned after that comparison:
Let's say Donald Trump says fuck Bahrain and Qatar and orders the entire military to be raytheon'd, then we Marshall Plan those countries back together, they'd be like Japan now, little mirrors of America.
No.20484
>>20294Cuba must look @ Haitian capitalism and think
"Wow i wish it was me"
No.20485
>>20480yeah we've gotten like a trillion IPs from langley, I am sure its just a coincidence though
No.20486
Google translate with some corrections:
Cuba, Cubans. There are moments in the country's history when we have been pushed to the limit. Today we live in a particular situation, a pandemic that shakes the world, the Cuban authorities have done everything possible, however, the enemy in a stubborn desire to annihilate the Revolution, he has insisted on punishing us, persecuting us and manipulating us. For this he has made use of what he knows well, his illegal and arbitrary measures, but now, he has added one more element, manipulating those manipulable people in Cuba, those who live thinking of being there and not here.
Today a series of protests took place in the country, between claims and insults. We cannot forget that the Cuban Constitution was voted 9% against, not everyone agrees with the Revolution, and we are not going to force them to agree either. Worms, they have always existed.
But it is one thing that they exist, and another thing is to serve the historical enemy of the Revolution: the USA. We Cuban revolutionaries know perfectly what we have to defend. And as I said at the beginning, our history knows well the call of the Homeland: There was a first charge with the machete, then a second, and in Cuba there will always be the necessary ones.
Cuba, Cubans, to the machete! Fidel and the Cuban remedy…
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>Cubana, cubano. Hay momentos de la historia patria en que nos han puesto al límite. Hoy vivimos una situación particular, una pandemia que conmueve al mundo, las autoridades cubanas han hecho todo lo posible, sin embargo, el enemigo en un obcecado afán de aniquilar la Revolución, se ha empeñado en castigarnos, en perseguirnos y manipulando. Para ello ha echado mano a lo que conoce bien, sus medidas ilegales y arbitrarias, pero ahora, ha agregado un elemento más, manipular a esa gente manipulable en Cuba, esos que viven pensando en estar allá y no aquí. Hoy de desarrollaron en el país una serie de protestas, entre reclamos e insultos. No podemos olvidar, que la Constitución cubana tuvo un 9% en contra, no todo el mundo está de acuerdo con la Revolución, y tampoco los vamos a obligar que lo estén. Gusanos, han existido siempre, pero una cosa es que existan, y otra diferente es servile al enemigo histórico de la Revolución; los EEUU. Nosotros, los revolucionarios cubanos, sabemos perfectamente lo que tenemos que defender. Y como dije al principio, nuestra historia conoce bien el llamado de la Patria, hubo una primera carga la machete, luego una segunda, y en Cuba siempre habrán las necesarias. ¡Cubana, cubano, al machete! Fidel y el remedio cubano…cubaCuba
No.20487
>>20477>The healthy, non-obese adults on the pro-Cuba side look like this. I have seen young people and more fitness on the other side. It's obvious who will win.Oh… the pro-Cuba side has those too, but I think you can get into trouble if you take pictures of them. Also some of them wear baseball helmets.
No.20488
>>20407The glowies are on maximum overdrive
No.20490
>>20480Yours you absolute cunt. Not even memeing.
No.20491
>Not supporting the freedom fighters who want to establish actual communism against the degenerate fascist state of Cuba.
Cringe.anarcho-communismAnarcho-Communism
No.20492
@lisandratlSUR reports that the vast majorities of cities are OK and normal, just some focal points.
No.20493
I'm just reading about Grenada properly for the first time and found this.
>>20490Not me? Thank fuck, cause I'm literally INCITING AN INSURRECTION INTO YOUR SHITTY LITTLE COMMIE COUNTRIES
No.20494
>>20492This is just the beginning. The Hong Kong shit went on for like 2 or 3 years right?
cubaCuba No.20495
>>20490Just use your banhammer, responding to shitposters/glowies/shills won't do any good.
No.20497
First Haiti, now Cuba. The USA is trying to exercise their power elsewhere in the world after pulling out of Afghanistan and trying to get dibs on the Caribbean before China gets in their shit.cubaCuba
No.20498
>>20494This is not the first time a small focal protest went on. Tbh, if you think this is HK-tier, you need to understand Cubans much more.
No.20499
>>370731
Real life isn't a Paradox game or a Hollywood movie you sperg.
No.20500
>>370735
Who's the cracker with the microphone
No.20501
>>20496kek
>>20394I want face-rape that motherfucker so hard, he would wish to be dead after how he would look.
Piece of garbage.
No.20502
>>20498>Tbh, if you think this is HK-tier, you need to understand Cubans much more.They want to make it grow this way because the CIA is pushing it HARD right now through all of their media. I am the OP of this thread and at first I thought it was a nothingburger but now I'm a bit more worried. However, I do think the Cubans mostly support their country and are very wary of the US meddling so they should go out in masses and drown these gusanos out.
cubaCuba No.20503
>>370735
Don't let the bench press crush your neck on the way out you weakling.
No.20504
>>20436Miguel is sigma chad looking
No.20505
>>20502>I am the OP of this thread and at first I thought it was a nothingburger but now I'm a bit more worried.Review Telesur, they in real-time proving they are in calm.
No.20506
>>20294yeah i remember how Bolivia was brushed off as a nothingburger at first. Hope they can track down the glowies quickly before they can cause more damage
No.20507
>>370738
Miguel is going to crush those Gusanos and nobody will do anything about it, unless they want a military confrontation with China
Your gusano family members will get sentenced to jail and suffer beatings.
Good, you deserve to be in there with them
No.20508
>>370738
>if you don’t let my daddy get rich off of your work you hate muh freedom
remain seething, chinlet
No.20510
>>20497Democrat administration is more interventionist in latam
No.20511
I am seeing huge counter-protests against Yankees in Cuba: "Cuba si, yanquis no!" they chant.
(from @Mision_Verdad)
No.20512
>>370738
Capitaloids are free to get rid of the economic embargo whenever they want
Until then, stop pretending to care about third worlders
No.20513
>>20511Post the link comrade
cubaCuba No.20514
>>20495Yeah, you're right. :)
No.20515
Amusing af how during stable times people here never shat on Cuba, whenever we had a thread on them at best it was one or two leftcoms crying about it but now? Anti-cuba shit comes out the woodwork. Glowuyghurs are so unsubtle, they used to be competent now we have to deal with this level of unprofessionalism smh
No.20517
>>20468Even if BRI projects remain in place,this means nothing for workers in the country, cause you can easily have a shitton of infrastructure paid by China AND a reactionary political structure.
So Chinese soft power is nowhere as strong as Us soft power in impacting the political sphere of countries,for the very simple fact that "I'm not gonna make contracts with you" (which is Chinese leverage) is way less than a threat than "Do as i say or you won't wake up tomorrow". (which is the Us one).
Its like regular businessman vs the cartel, there's no way the first win.
sandinistaSandinista No.20520
k dude
No.20521
>>20517Part of this has to do with the Chinese intelligence networks not being as developed in comparison the American networks, yes the CIA has been faltering lately however when put into context they still have an overreaching character with the capability of overthrowing governments. The situation simple hasn't been as favorable as in the past for them to be effective however they're still a threat. I hope this is something that China takes into consideration, hopefully they are already working on it or will start as soon as possible.
No.20522
>>20485Proofs?
>>20490What's suspicious about my IP? It's not located on a military base or something (I just checked).
No.20523
Hows the weather in Miami like? I’m sorry Castro took your serfs gusano.
No.20524
Fuck off gusanosandinistaSandinista
No.20525
>>20521I hope so,cause otherwise the next Cold war is lost before even beginning.
sandinistaSandinista No.20527
>>20522Don't give them hints, mods. Just ban these fucks.
cubaCuba No.20530
>>20526WUT? VERIFIED? HOW THE FUCK?
lmao
Totally not astroturf.
No.20532
>>20518There are more counter protesting. There were already few even protesting in the first place. It's AstroTurf bullshit faggot
No.20533
>>20518>communism is when you get embargoed to hell and backenjoy your victory fashy, once the petrodollar kicks the bucket, you won't be able to pull off these schemes anymore
No.20534
fuck off glowie
No.20535
>>20530Alexis Isabel used to be a fashion persona on social media that got pretty popular and then got redpilled and joined the PSL in like 2018. That's where the bluecheck comes from.
No.20536
>be cuban
>material conditions suck
>be pissed at the situation
>now I"m a CIA goon
Can't you tankies just accept that Cuba is a shithole? You don't have to be a fascist or a glow to say that the Castro experiment failedegoismEgoism
No.20537
>>20526>>20529Now that we know is pure astroturfing, the question is: Why?
Last time I saw one, was with Venezuelan "refugees" crossing the US-Mexico border (in a very staged show) and the reason was that in the next two months, a meeting discussing the $$$ that the ONG will receive to support the immigrants.
Is there going to be a new meeting or something in the congress regards the Cuban question, is it Biden that is planning to re-take Obama policy on Cuba?
No.20538
>>20536There is a difference between criticisms from the masses and Glowie criticism.
You can tell its glowie by calls to "end the dictatorship" and waving US Flags.
Cuba has been criticized by the masses but it never gets mentioned on twitter. The only reason why its trending is because this is a GLOWY OPERATION
No.20539
>>20507Doesn't Cuba have the death penalty? Time to bring it back if not. No mercy for the bourgeoisie and their sycophants.
lenin_capLenin Cap No.20541
>>20529>>20526This is what happened before the Bolivian coup. If they roll out this shit it means there is a plot ongoing.
sandinistaSandinista No.20543
All rioters should be identified and killed, unironically on Cuban television.
Glowies only understand power, violence and strength. Khrushchevite leniency is the most mortal mistake.stalinStalin
No.20544
>>20537Biden said during the campaign that he'd go back to the Obama-era policy but hasn't done shit and ease up on the sanctions. I wonder if this is an attempt by glowies and gusanos to stir it up as a way of pressuring Biden and to maintain the Trump-era hardliner policy.
>>20541There are always plots ongoing.
No.20545
Let's be real, anyone currently criticising Cuba should be banned.lenin_capLenin Cap
No.20546
For my Cuban commies in thread, I do have to ask a question since I've had cuban friends here in US ask me before and I don't really have a reply since I haven't done enough research myself- what's up with the tourist only businesses that price their commodities in Euros or Dollars so natives are priced out of them? I know 9/10 times this is a point raised in bad faith, and these businesses wouldn't even exist if not for the US economic blockade and the USSR collapsing, but I'd still like an answer I could get people who bring this shit up to fuck off.
No.20547
>>20545It should be ban on sight. People were calling the fall of the USSR "progressive" and that led to the deaths of millions of people.
No.20548
>>20545Based.
I didn't support such a measure from old BO of talking about Rojava and saying "bad" things about Assad but Cuba is an actual socialist country enduring 60 of economic warfare by the US.
No.20551
>>20549Yo I see that place everytime I go to work lmao.
No.20552
>>20549So you glow for free? Pathetic
sandinistaSandinista No.20553
>>20549Imagine being this retarded
No.20554
>>20539Shit idea brah. This would only give the burgers an actual excuse to pull a Grenada
chavismoChavismo No.20557
>>20526Sigma stacy energy decimating the libshit amerliard bootlickers
No.20558
>>20552How exactly am I glowing? I haven't even said any anti-Cuba or pro-protest shit.
>>20553What exactly did I say that is retarded?
No.20560
>>20549Same question as others. Why do you glow for free?
No.20562
>>20558You're kinda sus.
Also, request for an amogus flag, it's urgent.
No.20564
>>20559Yeah I'm gonna burn down my mobile home if you force me to give you shit, better watch out!
No.20565
Reminds me of when Castro warned Khrushchev that if he caught Russians having sex with Cuban women that he'd have to jail them
No.20566
> color revolution happens
> anti-imperialist government refuses to immediately use heavy weaponry on rioters
Why?stalinStalin
No.20567
>>20536Visit Haiti and Columbia and compare material conditions there instead of comparing it to a country that used yours as it's colony fuckhole for decades.
No.20568
>>20566Probably optics and shit if I had to guess. You don't want to prove the propaganda right.
No.20569
>>20566Because it will be used as a casus belli
cubaCuba No.20570
>>20549uygha that doesn't look like an 11, either you have shit handwriting or you're from the future, therefore increasing the odds of you being a glowie
No.20571
TelesurTV had videos about the counter-protests on Twitter but the posts got deleted. What the fuck?
This was the link:
https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1414369523407405060cubaCuba No.20572
>>20566 that kind of reaction is exactly what a color revolution wants
No.20575
>>20570It took me a couple of minutes to write the note, taking the picture, and uploading it to the site.
No.20576
>>20556Are there any socialist states that have abolished the death penalty?
No.20578
>>20566It's not necessary yet, in Tiananmen the party only gave the order for the PLA to kill after the rioters started lynching unarmed soldiers, I know it's kind of a shame it had to get to that point but again in the case of Cuba it's even more necessary to avoid as much international backlash as possible. Nobody could do anything more than an arms embargo to China in 1989, Cuba has much more to lose if imperialists decide to attack.
No.20579
>>20566A lack of Chekist vigilance.
lenin_capLenin Cap No.20580
>>20574What kind of proof would you need that I am not a CIA agent?
No.20581
>>20578>unarmed soldierswat
No.20582
>>20566Because slaughtering protesters is monstrous and inhumane?
No.20583
>>20576A quick google gives me atleast East Germany that abolished it in the last 10 years of its existence.
No.20584
Callate gusano puto
No.20585
Reminder that the home ownership rate in Cuba beats that of StoreshitterstanchinaChina
No.20588
Twitter is deleting videos of the counter-demonstrations posted by TeleSur. Please download videos comrades so we can spread them. Make sure to post ITT.cubaCuba
No.20589
>>20587Because I said so. Next!
egoismEgoism No.20590
>>20588I also saw videos of Colombian police attacking protestors being passed off as being Cuba. There is a Colombian supermarket chain visible in the back though to debunk it.
cubaCuba No.20591
>>20588Do they have another outlet?
No.20592
>>20587If you actually have to ask why it's wrong to gun masses of people down then you're either an edgy teenager or an actual psychopath. Disperse and arrest the protesters, sure, but there's no need to behave like animals.
No.20593
>>20297Thank you based anticapital anon.
No.20594
>>20566Assad tried that tho
No.20595
>>20582Says who? If you take up arms against a proletarian dictatorship, you should expect execution. Society is a war to the death between classes and this can only be ended when the bourgeoisie is liquidated.
lenin_capLenin Cap No.20596
>>20581Yes, they first send unarmed soldiers, I suppose to not escalate the situation. That backfired because the rioters started killing them, beating them to death, throwing molotovs, etc.
No.20597
>>20593You're welcome.
>>20591Maybe we can check their site, although they are long-form videos as far as I can tell.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/https://www.telesurtv.net/cubaCuba No.20598
Venezuela has abolished capital punishment.chinaChina
No.20599
>>20592>it's wrong to gun masses of people downIt's wrong to gun down masses of rioters because rifle fire is too lenient for traitors to anti-imperialism. The real question is why the Cubans aren't sufficiently organised to shell the protestors with artillery.
tankieTankie No.20603
This is the laziest color revolution attempt I've ever seen.
Can someone ask Agent Smith if he's doing okay? Maybe needs to take a day off? Just isn't feeling any passion for his work anymore?
No.20604
>>20599Even assuming that these were actual enemy combatants, why would you use artillery in your own cities? The collateral damage alone would be ridiculous
>>20600LARPing American, this isn't a revolution and nothing is going to come out of this. The protests will likely fizzle out in a few weeks, so by the time you get your pasty ass down to Cuba to "kill some imperialists" the action will have already ended.
No.20605
>>20518based cuban liberty enjoyers
When will cummies finally admit that working for shareholders is literally just the natural order of things, and deviating from it is futile.
We have the balls of steel that wagies lack to make infestments and get shit done. Without us you are n o t h i n g
anarcho-capitalismAnarcho-Capitalism No.20606
>>20603He needs more pervitin to function properly
No.20607
Give me a tldr
No.20608
>>20604Not american, projecting faggot. And I actually believe it's in the interests of the government to remain as peaceful as possible, but completely rejecting firing on protesters because it's edgy psychopathic makes you a utopian moralfag, therefore incompatible with communism.
No.20610
>Obama administration dismantles the so-called "Pink Wave" in Latin America
>Trump administration bungles it, fails to remove Maduro and Morales, Bolsanaro possibly facing charges and a Lula victory looking likely
>Biden administration withdraws from Afghanistan
>Announces sending 20,000 troops to Haiti
>Now (apparently?) manufacturing unrest in Cuba
This is just speculation, but I wonder if the US is going to try and militarily force the issue in Cuba and Venezuela, as part of a larger project to "get their backyard in order" before dealing with Russia and Iran?
No.20611
>>20609http://twittervideodownloader.com/then just find a website to convert from mp4 to webm
of course this site supports webm too
No.20612
This is the most absurd attempt of color revolution I have seen in my life. They got a hundred paid people shouting slogans in Havanna, having Mia Khalifa embarassing herself on Twitter, and bots harassing modest leftists on social media in an nonsensical way.
This actually makes me laugh. Who engineered this farce?
No.20613
>>370909
Let's not get too cocky, bros. It's just day 1. This can go on months or years (as in Hong Kong)cubaCuba
No.20614
>>370909
probably a test run to detect errors and update their tactics
No.20615
Give me a tldr
No.20616
>>20595None of these guys have taken up arms. These regime-change techniques were pioneered back during the Cold War as a fallback option in case the Soviets took Western Europe but were then turned into offensive weapons. Use corporate-style shell structures and information warfare to generate protest and provoke the targeted state to overreact out of panic. It's the state overreaction that turns the small astroturfed protest into a larger protest and then it snowballs into the collapse of the targeted regime in a positive feedback loop. The eventual goal is to generate 3% of the population to actively protest which is enough to camp out at the seat of government / overrun the legislature etc. thereby collapsing the state. And then the U.S.-picked people who are actually running the op move in and take over. I'm pretty sure the Cubans have studied this extensively and have countermeasures.
No.20618
>>20609Please download these videos bros before they get taken down and help spread them.
>>20610Cuba has prepared for a massive guerilla war for decades. I'm not sure the USA would stand a real chance given they don't go full nuclear holocaust.
cubaCuba No.20619
>>20610good thing the lesser evil won the election, right vashites?
No.20620
>>20615some random hashtag #SOSCuba appeared on twitter, with all kinds of dubious people retweeting it. on the next day, a group of a few hundred "anti-communists" showed up in havanna with more social media outrage. communist party of cuba immediately retaliated and did a counterprotest four times as big with diaz-canel leading without bodyguards whatsoever.
No.20622
>>20618>Cuba has prepared for a massive guerilla war for decades.Which is all well and good, but the US has demonstrated a willingness to endure guerilla war for decades, and unfortunately Cuba doesn't have the geographic advantages that Afghanistan enjoys.
Besides that, the cocksucking cold warrior generals in the Pentagon would probably be satisfied whatever the outcome, as long as they got to bomb the impudent dogs in Cuba.
No.20623
Tfw trolling Gusanos on Reddit and Twitter to make myself feel alright.
Tell me it's all going to be alright bros. Don't let Cuba fall.
No.20624
Why does Mia Khalifa care about Palestine but sides with imperialism against Cuba? Is it literally idpol?
No.20626
>>20622Has there been a single asymmetrical war the USA won? I don't see how an invasion would help regime change if there is a real guerilla movement of the masses. You can't take over a country like that (or you can't keep it).
>>20624CIA makes NGO. NGO pays celebrities for posts.
cubaCuba No.20627
>>20624she bought into the imperialist propaganda
ak-47AK-47 No.20628
>>20623pics or gtfo
atheismAtheism No.20629
>>20619Something somethign Nazi, something something arguments. *hangs up*
horse cocks>>20620It's honestly hard to look at Twitter, the format is so short and .. ehm… groupthink-y by design that I just can't look past how many of the posts are indistinguishable from bots. Plus it shows such a limited slice of the responses. It's like if every online forum started replacing subforums, threads and search with " here are some choice posts the algorithm has chosen for you"
No.20630
>>20620Ok lmao its definetly and artificial glow op, and a weak one. This is going nowhere unless biden picks it up and decides to invade
>>20623Don't worry.
No.20631
>>20629>[spoiler]voreshits confirmed for mlpol
No.20632
>>20544>I wonder if this is an attempt by glowies and gusanos to stir it up as a way of pressuring Biden and to maintain the Trump-era hardliner policy.I think it is most likely.
>>20545At this point, in this thread,
yes.
No.20634
>>20625Miguel proving his sigma energy is up there with the greats
No.20639
>>20633Lmao dunking on amerilard subhumans
No.20640
>>20636How many people live in the Sierra Maestra?
No.20641
>>20549Glowing for free TM. You, sir, are a useful idiot.
>>20566Casus belli, my friend.
No.20642
Either its another failed neolib glowvolution (very likely) or the USA decides to coup the government, and the country goes to utter shit with neoliberals seething and quickly looking for explanations
No.20643
>>20626>Has there been a single asymmetrical war the USA won?I think the definition of "winning" in the Pentagon has shifted dramatically since its fusion with the MIC. If Afghanistan is a model, regime change, setting up a national bourgeoisie, and a stable (if corrupt) government isn't the end goal any more. Now war for war's sake seems to be the goal. Otherwise, with operations winding down in Afghanistan, you're looking at several very large, very wealthy, very well connected corporations, like Raytheon or Lockheed-Martin, which stand to see diminished profits as demand for bombs and replacement parts decline.
There's also to consider the nature of the US's "stealth welfare," which is the money and jobs that are provided by factories, companies, and contractors which provide the USM with its material (tanks, helmets, parachutes, etc).
I doubt the US government cares very much one way or another that Cuba is Communist, but would be glad to have another target to start bombing, and especially one that's so conveniently close to home.
No.20645
possibility of glowies try to assassinate someone if this fails, then?albaniaAlbania
No.20646
>>20642The party has built the foundations which make a coup pretty much impossible. The situation would need to destabilize a lot more for a game changer like the army to switch sides.
No.20647
>>20638Fucking retards circlejerking for the death of possibly millions through neoliberal shock therapy. All of them deserve to be shot. Faggots.
No.20648
Came here for this whats the tldr consensus, glow color revolution op or retards protesting?
No.20649
>>20648Word on the street is that the pro-Communist counter protests are larger than the anti-government protests.
No.20651
>>20624She's a dumb whore who has nothing to her name but porn. Retarded opinions are to be expected
No.20652
>>20640???
You said Cuba lacks geographic advantages, I pointed out one
>After Fidel Castro returned to Cuba in 1956 from exile in Mexico, he and the few other survivors from the failed 1953 attack on Moncada Barracks hid out in Sierra Maestra. There they succeeded in expanding their 26th of July Movement, starting a revolution throughout the region. They built up guerrilla columns, and in collaboration with other groups in the central provinces, Escopeteros on the foot-hills and plains, and the urban resistance, eventually overthrew Fulgencio Batista on 1 January 1959.>>20648Both
chavismoChavismo No.20653
Right wingers are mocking the protestors for wanting to "join globohomo." I'm glad we can all agree that they are losers.
No.20654
Doesn't Cuba also have people's militias, apart from military, which would protect their revolution?chinaChina
No.20655
Is it over? Or situation critical?
Fuck USA btwviet_congViet Cong
No.20656
>>20643NTA and I more less agree but about
>Now war for war's sake seems to be the goalI think it varies depending on the situation. I think in the case of Afghanistan it's a mix between not coming up with a proper strategy to beat the Taliban and not really giving a fuck and allowing them to continue their shit to justify keeping troops there. However in the case of Cuba I think the US would seek a win in the original meaning, replace the government with anything that will be loyal to the US (dictatorship, liberal democracy, etc) to take the opportunity to invest and get back all the lost profits ever since the revolution.
This is a generalization, but maybe in the case of really shitty countries, which will probably never even have the opportunity to become more developed (ie Afghanistan) the goal is to simply be there, and try to stay there for as long as possible. And in the case of countries which have a lot of potential to invest and whatnot such as Cuba the goal is regime change and a proper win for imperialism.
No.20657
whats the purpose of color revolution in cuba now, was the us just butthurt cuba came out with its own vaccine?
No.20658
>>20657They've been gunning for Cuba forever. They must've now decided now's a good time for it. Maybe the Haiti shit is also linked to this? Another anon speculated in this thread that the US might be trying to get its backyard in order before going hard on China/Russia.
No.20659
>A bunch of first world commies who don't care about Cuba, they just hate right-wing politics in their own country and use Cuba as an example of XY or Z. Add a handful of right-wingers and neoliberals who also don't care about Cuba, they just want to use the terrible state of the country as an example of their own XY or Z. If Cuba were a right-wing dictatorship, their roles would just inverse. "No, the dictator isn't perfect but he's improved the country and if not for [sanctions / rebels / foreign intervention], it would be a paradise".
>I'm from Venezuela AKA Cuba 2: Electric Boogaloo, so it's pretty much the same every time my country shows up in the news. If anyone Cubans show up, they'll be ignored by the tankies, because #notruecuban would oppose the glorious authoritarian state and you must be, depending on the degree of magical thinking involved, a CIA shill, or a rich fascist cuz you speak English and have internet access.
The malding impotence from Reddit is delicious
No.20660
>>20657CIA directors visited Bolsonaro
Communists/Anti-Imperialists elected/leading in Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Brazil, etc.
Haiti's leader assasinated with foreign mercenaries
US troops pulling out of Afghanistan
With all this, my guess is that Operation Condor2.0 is on the radar
No.20661
>>20652That's a different person. I didn't say that Cuba lacks geographic advantages, but that it lacks the geographic advantages of Afghanistan, namely that Afghanistan is extremely mountainous, it shares borders with states that are hostile to the US and willing to provide various types of support to the locals, it's landlocked, and it's on the other side of the planet.
Cuba meanwhile is less than a hundred miles from the US coastline, surrounded by the US navy, a third of Afghanistan's size, bordered on all sides by American allies, and, while not a geographic quality, its population hasn't been locked in guerilla war with foreign powers since the 70s.
No.20662
>>20652Is it really that important in the age of satellites, drones and missiles?
viet_congViet Cong No.20663
>>20657Miami kleptocracy wants more loot
No.20665
>>20620Christ, they even copied the hashtag format. This is really phoning it in.
No.20666
Wow, Reddit being based for once?
>The value the embargo has for the US is that Florida is a swing state with a sizable minority of Cuban American voters that hate the regime and would not vote for a candidate that wants to end the embargo. The electoral college system allows a group of neighborhoods in and around Miami control US foreign policy with Cuba.
<so Cuban-Americans want the rest of Cubans to life in misery? wow
To that some people reply
>Cuban Americans are nearly always the former Batista old guard. They were already making Cubans live in misery when they were in charge for their own benefit and are just butthurt and angry that the revolution came and booted them from their high horse.
>Yup. Cuban Americans are typically descended from the elite class that worked with the US to exploit Cuba. Hence why they fled during the revolution. The poor became educated, received healthcare, and were given jobs. All of this BS from the US isn’t even about socialism or the Cold War. They are still mad that US factories were seized during the revolution and Cuba has refused to compensate them. Cuba is really the only nation to stand up to the US that way.
No.20667
>>20656You might be right. I guess we'll see.
Starting wars in Cuba and Venezuela, so soon after ending operations in Afghanistan, seems to me like it would be really politically risky at the moment however you might slice it. It seems like a big gamble just to settle an old score with Cuba, or to put a bourgie regime in charge of Venezuela.
No.20668
this thread should be archived later.burkina_fasoBurkina Faso
No.20669
Please be nothing bros I can't take it…
No.20671
Reminder that members of the bourgeoisie are aware of leftypol and foreignpolicy has published an article about us. Do not be fooled by glowie demoralization campaigns.ak-47AK-47
No.20674
>>20661>>20662Honestly, I don't know. Since the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the 600 failed assassination attempts on Castro, they're going for the indirect stuff (embargo, sanctions, planes dropping leaflets, paid gusano "protesters") but as I said on my first post, USoids are getting more desperate. They could lash out.
But I trust the CPC and the Cuban people. Remember the Bay of Pigs was supposed to be a walk in the park for the burgers too.
chavismoChavismo No.20675
CIA did it is an 80-IQ /pol/ take. I don't know what's going on but I bet that there's a growing oligarchy that wants to break out of the restrictions of the socialist state and cash in. They organize a revolutionary movement.
No.20677
>>20666This is pretty much the politics in the U.S. related to Floridians. The other Americans have to co-exist with these lolcows.
No.20679
>>20659>Frontpage of /r/worldnews>Half the comments are taking the piss at imperialist pigs and gusanos<Most upvoted comment holding since the submission was made (picrel3)>"Freedom from US embargo">Half the comments are malding neoloberals and gods know how many bots<(miamiherald.com)Hahaha what is this half-assed garbage?
Did they outsource this Op to Hunter Biden's Wondrous Painting Emporium?
No.20682
>>20676The sigma anti-imperialist stacy vs the virgin omega male neocon
No.20683
>>20657I'm wondering if it isn't trying to reverse losses incurred during the Trump administration.
In the early 2000s there were a number of Left leaning governments that came to power in LA. Obama spent his two terms working to undo it, removing the president of Honduras for instance, or manufacturing charges against Brazil's Lula da Silva.
Trump tried to continue that trend, supporting the puppet Guaido in Venezuela and trying to contest the elections in Bolivia. Whether or not this was due to Trump's incompetence or to the CIA wanting to make him look bad, either way they didn't take, and now it's looking like Lula is going up against Bolsonaro in Brazil and is likely to win.
So this could be the US going gloves off and using their military to bring the colonies back into line, but only time will tell
No.20684
>>20672Lol, who wrote that? Cuba is vaccinating their population with their own vaccine, they have two developed vaccines.
No.20688
>>20684Twitter staff write the summaries. They also hyped up the Arab spring.
No.20689
>>20674Yeah, it's anyone's guess at this point. I'm sure the Cubans have reasons to be upset, but from everything I've read and heard the government is managing things well, or as well as can be expected considering the circumstances.
No.20690
>>20687*meant medics, not medicine
No.20691
>>20685Amerilards shipped in from Miami
>>20689Yes. And the people support the CPC, they may not necessarily be literal communists but they remember what it was like before the Revolution (US brothel) and after (free republic). These "protests" are obvious astroturf shit
chavismoChavismo No.20692
>>20683>the CIA wanting to make him look bad,Why would they do that lol?
No.20693
>>20674>But I trust the CPC and the Cuban people. Remember the Bay of Pigs was supposed to be a walk in the park for the burgers too.Bay of Pigs was half-assed (no air support) and not repeated due to Soviet nuclear backing. I am not sure the same issues t hen would be present today.
No.20694
>>20685They have an american heart.
In the DW coverage people were marching with masks with american flags.
They aren't even subtle.
>>20693Russia has not let one of his allies down since Medvedev leaved office. I don't like nuclear war, but I believe the US doesn't like it too.
No.20695
>>20683I also wonder whether glowies are trying to shift attention from the absolute madness in Haiti.
Also look at Lebanon. The PM is warning the country could collapse within days, but we're hearing about this glowie stuff.
No.20696
>>20297It’s like 20 people
No.20697
>>20692During Trump's campaigning he attacked "The Deep State," aka, the alphabet soup agencies. They also had a hand in manufacturing Russiagate nonsense, and Trump was very critical of them, their War on/of Terror. This is part of why Democrats now love "the intelligence community."
From 2016:
https://newrepublic.com/article/139348/trumps-war-cia-deep-right-wing-roots
>Donald Trump’s biggest fight during his transition to the presidency is with an unusual foe, the Central Intelligence Agency. Responding to a CIA assessment that the Russian government interfered in the U.S. election, Trump’s transition team bluntly dismissed the agency as “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” Michael Flynn, Trump’s national security adviser, has long seen the CIA as a biased political enemy. As The New York Times reports, “Mr. Flynn’s assessment that the C.I.A. is a political arm of the Obama administration is not widely shared by Republicans or Democrats in Washington. But it has appeared to have been internalized by the one person who matters most right now: Mr. Trump.” As a result, there has emerged “an extraordinary rift between the president-elect and the nation’s intelligence community that is unlikely to be bridged anytime soon.”2019:
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured
>Even when he's praising his spy chiefs, President Trump can't resist taking a swipe.
>The instinct was on full display this past weekend, as he announced the killing of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
>"Thank you, as well, to the great intelligence professionals who helped make this very successful journey possible," he said in an address from the White House on Sunday.
>His intelligence officials are ''spectacular," "great patriots," the president went on.
>But then, this: "And it's really a deserving name, intelligence. I have dealt with some people that aren't very intelligent, having to do with intel."
>Even while proclaiming an undisputed intelligence and military success, Trump took a moment to needle and to complain about "poor leadership" and time wasted by U.S. intelligence in the past.
>Trump's hostility to the intelligence community has been relentless. He talks frequently of the "deep state" and "witch hunts" that are out to get him.
>And that was all before a whistleblower complaint revealed concerns about a White House phone call with Ukraine, which has sparked the impeachment inquiry now underway. That whistleblower is reported to be a current employee of the CIA.
>"It did not surprise me that ultimately an intelligence officer was the person who was going to blow the whistle on what the president did," says Leon Panetta, who was director of the CIA from 2009 to 2011 under President Barack Obama. No.20698
Now is a good time to post based Michael Parenti's talk on Cuba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npkeecCErQc No.20699
>>20695>I also wonder whether glowies are trying to shift attention from the absolute madness in Haiti.That's also a possibility, giving the media something else to squawk about instead of US redeploying troops to yet another foreign country, especially after last years BLM riots.
No.20700
>>20697Do you really think they’d let a personal grudge get in the way of 4 years of imperialism and profits?
No.20701
>>20304No need for an army, normal cuban people can beat them up.
>>20307Are they actually firing at the protestors there? Or is he just lying?
No.20702
>>20694>Russia has not let one of his allies down since Medvedev leaved office. I don't like nuclear war, but I believe the US doesn't like it too.I doubt Russia would risk nuclear war over Cuba. Additionally, Russia would likely not be able to provide much support to Cuba since the US could easily blockade any Russian shipments to the island nation.
No.20703
>>20700>Blockading again the sea of a sovereign nationAre you saying that they should do the same shit that put the world in the brink of the button?
No.20704
>>20701No report of a single shot fired. Just rightwing exageration as always.
The thief thinks everyone is the same
No.20711
>>20700It goes beyond a "personal grudge." Trump's foreign policy was directly at odds with the CIA/Pentagon's long term plans. Trump threatened to curtail CIA's operations and end operations in Afghanistan, and he was at odds with his generals over Afghanistan and Iraq.
https://www.axios.com/off-the-rails-trump-military-withdraw-afghanistan-5717012a-d55d-4819-a79f-805d5eb3c6e2.html
>Trump's calls to halt the "endless wars" could be traced back to at least 2011, when he was a real estate developer and reality TV celebrity. He'd sent scores of tweets railing against the U.S. military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan while mulling the idea of running for president.
>Once in office, though, Trump's ambitions to withdraw from Afghanistan and other countries were subdued, slow-rolled, and detoured by military leaders.
>Trump did not help his own agenda when he surrounded himself at the start with generals, many of whom had made their careers at U.S. Central Command. They fundamentally disagreed with the president's worldview. They were personally invested in Afghanistan. And several would come to see it as their job to save America and the world from their commander in chief.
>By the spring of 2017, two generals Trump had installed in top positions — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis in an interagency process run by National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster — had begun working on an option to send 4,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.
>This became a fundamental policy battle that attracted a full array of civilian, military and political warriors — some assembling in the first flush of Trump's presidency, but leaving within a year. No.20712
>>20380bro why is it always the whitest motherfuckerz
No.20714
>>20708What am I seeing?
viet_congViet Cong No.20715
>>20407leftypol was never good at avoiding bait + some polfags just stayed. Idk if we are even important enough for glowies to spend time on
No.20716
>>20713Lmao the "socialist" gusano.
No.20720
>>20718I told you, the gusano "socialist"
No.20721
>>20713>>20716>>20718Looks like one of those "I hate the Cuban government but I hate US meddling too" types
No.20724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woXb-XnSYQAquí pensaban seguir
Ganando el ciento por ciento
Con casas de apartamentos
Y echar al pueblo a sufrir
Y seguir de modo cruel
Contra el pueblo conspirando
Para seguirlo explotando
Y en eso llegó Fidel
Se acabó la diversión
Llegó el comandante
Y mandó a parar
Se acabó la diversión
Llegó el comandante
Y mandó a parar
No.20727
>>20718(((Anti-authoritarian)))
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία No.20728
>>20675It's most likely both. The CIA couldn't get up to half of the shit it did during the Cold War if it wasn't for their local cucks and proxies.
No.20731
>I'm gonna have to see all the shitlibs I know reposting glowing shit about this
does anyone have any agitprop on hand about this
No.20733
>>20720That's a brilliant idea, you larp as a Cuban "socialist" you're just a average Cuban you believe. Oh but the evil government has robbed us, those dictators we will help.
it wasn't the US economic war nope >plunges the country in to dismayI'm you're friend let me kill you now.
No.20734
>>20714The cuban president went to the city where the "protests" started. In a chad move, he stated the counter protests without any bodyguards but the people.
No.20736
All the libshits that cheer this on are people who unironically use the term "Latinx"
No.20738
>>20728lyrics are so true they're depressing
No.20740
>>20718Why do my fellow Demsocs bring so much shame upon me, you can wish Cuba was more democratic without going full state department
No.20741
A hint from someone who suffered through Bolsonaro's shit: don't believe a single thing posted by reactionaries on social networks. It will be false, misrepresented or otherwise wrong 99% of the time, the 1% outlier will be the rare reactoid actually on the ground providing his own footage. They use unending armies of bots and shills and they edit or falsify material without thinking once simply because they can get away with it. There's obviously falsehoods spread by the left, but it's never anywhere near as massive nor coordinated. An illusion of a majority is a fundamental reactionary tactic, America has long abused it (what was that about a tiny militant group being able to overthrow a government which the CIA wrote again?) and the internet is a brand new venue with which to create this illusion which just plain didn't exist until recently. In the case of countries like Cuba, you can expect the social medias to actively manipulate things as well.
No.20742
>>20718Succdems, not even once. Truly the left wing of fascism
>>20724Nice quads
chavismoChavismo No.20743
>>20644Are these the pro cuba protestors or the glowies? I'm a bit confused.
eurekaEureka No.20745
>>20740There isn't any other outcome when what you consider democracy is bourgeois parliamentarism
No.20746
>>20743Pro Cuba, They were yelling "Yo soy Fidel"
No.20747
>>20741Falsehoods spread by the left typically seem to be oversimplifications of things while falsehoods on the right seem to be bullshit pulled out of their ass more than half of the time.
No.20750
>>20746Rightio.
eurekaEureka No.20752
>>20751I've got a feeling the US troops who were in afghanistan might move over there as well.
eurekaEureka No.20753
>>20751nobody who isn't paid to fall for it, falls for it. Anybody who does is a fool.
No.20754
>>20751Cause normies don't know shit about shit and they've been raised their whole lives to trust what the newspaper/TV says
No.20755
>>20744lel, the joke never gets old.
No.20756
>>20754That and the twitter/facebook algorithm it seems.
eurekaEureka No.20757
Last week the head of the CIA was visiting Bolsonaro. Could they be cooking something?
No.20758
>>20751The anti-China propaganda is also the most shamelessly coordinated, forced shit I have ever seen. I don't know whether this hamd-fistedness is a good or a bad sign.
No.20761
>>20760Think it might be time to burn that asset.
No.20763
>>20741This is how Greece is governed today. 'The Trump way'.
viet_congViet Cong No.20764
>>20761And we don't even know if that picture is from today.
No.20766
idk. it would make sense for there to be unrest bc of sanctions and the covid crisis, but glowie media and lib/fash elements co-opting any revolutionary movement seems to be already happening. we'll see what happens.
No.20768
>>20767After I became an ML I never understood the obsession demsocs have with multiparty "democracy". If they are intelligent enough reading a little bit should completely turn them away from that dumb shit.
No.20769
>>20767What’s with this thought Demsocs have where they think “democracy is when there is political parties and the more parties there are the more democraticastical it is!”
I expect that shit from libs but not socialists
No.20770
>>20768What if all he wants is for Cuba to go the China way so he can enrich himself?
viet_congViet Cong No.20771
>>20768>After I became an ML I never understood the obsession demsocs have with multiparty "democracy".I think the concern is that it would allow a small group of people to monopolize power and stifle dissent. Personally I think you should have a multiparty system when you can and have a one-party system only when you must.
No.20772
>>20767The main problem is the embargo/sanctions.
That's where I disagree with that weak stance.
No.20773
>>20771>Personally I think you should have a multiparty system when you can and have a one-party system only when you mustSeems kind of unnecessary but if the power is de facto held by the vanguard then sure lol. I mean the whole point of the vanguard is that it holds a monopoly on power.
No.20774
>>20765I still think M-L is pretty shitty, but whatever America supports is worse so hey.
No.20775
>>20765Always bring up Syria, Iraq, Libya and other places whose freddomizationing America supported. Simple statistics say that whatever America supports is literally the worst possible scenario. The only possible exception to this since WW2 is Afghanistan, and even that obscures the fact that America pretty much created Taliban in the first place.
>>20768It's easy to place a monomaniacal focus on non-material rights for 1st world people. It's easy to envision yourself being unable to speak freely but not losing all the material comfort you don't know you have, like working infrastructure, welfare, even things as menial as clean streets. It's hard for a 1st world person to envision losing those, he takes it for granted.
No.20776
>>20768Well ackshually I'm a direct dem-soc.
No.20777
>>20773>I mean the whole point of the vanguard is that it holds a monopoly on power.There's a couple of issues I see here:
1. The working class is not a hivemind. They are inevitable going to have varying ideas for how things ought to be done, and I think it is best to have more than one represented at a time. Having only one set of ideas represented at one time could potentially stifle much-needed reforms and prevent marginalized groups from having their voices heard.
2. The vanguard party could become detached from working class interests. Having another party that can come along and shake things up could help prevent this form happening.
No.20778
>>20777Worth noting here that all elections having multiple candidates contending as the great comrade Stalin intended is functionally very similar to no party democracy often praised as an ideal by early liberal reformers back when liberalism was a progressive movement not reactionary movement as it is now
tankieTankie No.20779
>>20775>It's easy to place a monomaniacal focus on non-material rights for 1st world people. It's easy to envision yourself being unable to speak freely but not losing all the material comfort you don't know you have, like working infrastructure, welfare, even things as menial as clean streets. It's hard for a 1st world person to envision losing those, he takes it for granted.I think that having a multiparty system could ensure a better material well-being than a one-party system could. Let's take a look at Soviet planning, as an example. It has become well-known that, while the Soviet Union did an excellent job industrializing, it eventually became very rigid and did a poor job innovating and providing people with consumer goods. Much of this seems to have been due to a lack of accountability for the planners. In a multiparty system, if the ruling party/coalition is doing a bad job with planning, they may risk losing the next election, thus giving them an incentive to improve their planning.
No.20781
>>20780How much you wanna bet this photo they used is actually from a pro-government counter protest
No.20784
>>20783That might even be a picture from Miami.
No.20785
>>20783Wouldn't be surprised if it was just a stock photo of gusanos lol, do they even have 2010s Fords in Cuba?
No.20786
>>20783"ONE OF THE LARGEST ANTI-GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATIONS IN MEMORY"
Christ, this is just sad.
No.20787
Run over the rebels with tankstankieTankie
No.20788
>>20783Support the protestors demands by ending USA sanctions
accelerationAcceleration No.20789
>>20760I bet that pic is from Miami!
No.20790
>>20785Not in any video I've ever seen…
thinkThink No.20791
>>20779The thing is that Cuba isn’t even run by a party, it’s run by its fucking people’s Congress. The communist party acts as a guiding force but it doesn’t run the country the way the communist part of the Soviets did and China does. You don’t have to be a god damn party member to be elected or run. So if the party isn’t in charge then it’s not the fucking party you target but the government itself. What’s the point of having abstract parties if none of them have policies that can actually improve the material reality of Cubans? What are they gonna do? Lower taxes? The fuck? What for? Are there going to be parties that would advocate for social Darwinism to cut ration cards? Parties won’t change anything in Cuba because the country isn’t run by any particular parties.
No.20792
>>20783>thousands>only pictures from the groundLike pottery.
No.20793
>>20792Not even just from the ground but from low chest height to try obscure the like 1 row of people
No.20795
>>20794Based Cubans marching in support of the creation of an Arab state
No.20796
>>20783>Thousands march in Cuba to protest food shortagesThose people look overweight, that woman holding that phone is fatter than me, look how plump her belly and breasts are.
No.20797
>>20796I'm now 95% sure this is Miami, the US media is fucking shameless
No.20801
>>20798Wow, I take it all back, what an immense gathering of support!
No.20803
>>20794Reactionaries and not arguing in good faith. Name a more iconic duo.
No.20804
>>20798>>20801half the crowd is randos wondering what's up and filming it on their phones
No.20805
>>20798>9% of Cubans who disapprove of the new constitution. The lib “socialists” would tell you this is “tyranny of the majority”. These liberal “socialists” and please don’t call them DemSocs because a real DemSoc wouldn’t care about this tyranny of the majority crap. These liberals want to protect the capitalist class just as much as the workers in any case, they want nothing to change.
No.20807
>>20798red guards austin is bigger
No.20808
Have the counter-revolutionaries been beaten back yet?
No.20809
>>20798Lel, this was all the ameritards could muster? They truly aren't sending their best
Also
>>20794>>20741chavismoChavismo No.20810
>>20791>The thing is that Cuba isn’t even run by a party, it’s run by its fucking people’s Congress. The communist party acts as a guiding force but it doesn’t run the country the way the communist part of the Soviets did and China does.Hmm, ok, that's a bit different from how Marxist-Leninist states are usually run. Personally I think the Cuban system sounds better.
>So if the party isn’t in charge then it’s not the fucking party you target but the government itself.What is the relationship of the Communist Party of Cuba to the National Assembly? According to Wikipedia, all 605 seats in the National Assembly are controlled by the "Committees for the Defense of the Revolution". I don't really understand these committees very well, as they do not seem to function as a political party, at least in the conventional sense of the term.
>What’s the point of having abstract parties if none of them have policies that can actually improve the material reality of Cubans?I don't really know a whole lot about the political system of Cuba, so I can't comment on this.
> What are they gonna do? Lower taxes? The fuck? What for? Are there going to be parties that would advocate for social Darwinism to cut ration cards?Address whatever issues voters feel the Communist Party of Cuba isn't adequately addressing, I don't know. I don't know a whole lot about the current issues in Cuba, so I can't comment on this.
>Parties won’t change anything in Cuba because the country isn’t run by any particular parties.That seems plausible, although I don't know enough about Cuba's political system to know for certain.
No.20811
>>20808No need to beat them back, it's more funny to just let them continue to act like their 3 dozen supporters are going to topple the evil Castro regime
No.20812
>>20808Don't really know. But real shit, what exactly are these protestors advocating for? What are their demands?
eurekaEureka No.20813
So apparently Cuba hardly even censors the internet, they're even more lenient than Vietnam. Sites like Wikipedia. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, WhatsApp and so on are all accessible.
https://ooni.org/post/cuba-internet-censorship-2017/#blocked-websitesCuban government gets everything it deserves for being a tech-illiterate gerontocracy.
No.20814
>>20810>Hmm, ok, that's a bit different from how Marxist-Leninist states are usually run. Personally I think the Cuban system sounds better.It is better, which is why Cuba is the best historical M-L state, because it's barely actually M-L.
No.20815
>>20813>Sites like Wikipedia. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, WhatsApp and so on are all accessibleExcept Paypal, Payoneer, Payza, and many other e-wallets that are restricted due to sanctions.
No.20816
>>20779I didn't make a defense for a one-party State. That said, yes that's a powerful talking point too. It's related to the spook which places election of representatives as the end-all-be-all of democracy, provides that illusion of different groups living in harmony and tolerating each other. We here know that the centerpiece isn't the democracy itself but private property, and the greatest lovers of liberty won't hesitate to bring in the brownshirts if he thinks that was under threat. In this sense, existing socialism is at a memetic disadvantage, because we openly admit that liberalism would be a civilizational downgrade, let alone anything more reactionary that that. For good or will, this creates a dichotomy of people vs State. We know that this dichotomy isn't really true from the point of view of class struggle, but most people don't, and in any case even we are susceptible to bias. It was one of those base features built into the system which Stalin pre-packaged and exported as one-size-fits-all.
Maybe socialism failed to become an institution like electoral democracy did. The latter, propaganda or not, is typically cherished by the majority and they put up varying degrees of resistance against attempts to dismantle it. Socialism had no such pervasiveness, and protecting it is supposed to be the entire point of the workers' State anyway, so why bother taking to the streets to brawl with reactoids? Except reactoids don't act, they
subvert, so infiltrated the State and dismantled it as the people looked on almost helplessly. I suppose this failure to become an institution is deeply related with the memetic disadvantage of a one-Party State. Now I wonder how things would have panned out with a theoretically trivial change: the communist party was instead officially renamed as the executive branch, the soviets became officially the legislative branch, and, nominally, the country had no parties and every citizen could take part, with no actual practical change, neither for more nor less authoritarianism. Could this non-material change have made significant impact? Maybe not to the point of avoiding the dismantling, but honestly, I think it would have made a considerable impact, at least outside the USSR itself.
No.20817
>>20810Here comrades, 3 year old video that's been spread today because it's a detailed look into Cuba's government and elections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aMsi-A56ds No.20818
>>20812Uhh… dunno. But these kinds of things tend to be vague and generic on purpose since the protesters are not supposed to actually take over, they're just random pissed-off young men who have been weaponized.
No.20820
>>20812isn't it the same as every other color rev? they're advocating neoliberalism, for cuba to become another honduras or colombia and serve daddy sam.
No.20821
>>20810Let me explain what Cuba’s government is. It has a National Assembly as you pointedly out that is voted by secret ballot. The locals voted on have many responsibilities to the local people’s of their district. Policy isn’t acted out nationally, instead it is organically developed according to the needs of a locality. The Cuban government essentially is a “neutral” government but what I can point to you that is highly politicized is this: the Cuban government is very nationalistic and when I say nationalistic I mean they are very independent and adamant about their sovereignty, their sovereignty matters more to them more than anything else. This means that the Cuban government has total sovereignty over its territory and economy. This obviously means that a foreign fruit company or McDonald’s or whatever cannot set up a store there. Cuba is one of the few nations with near complete economic independence. This hard political stance of economic independence means that a nation can’t go there and claim land for its own benefit. If Cuba took the Dengist approach it would look more like China or if it took the Doi Poi reform approach again it would look like Vietnam. If Cuba were ever to allow foreign companies to set up in Cuba it would do it to the benefit of the Cuba economy. They cannot do this because of the sanctions and blockades and shit. If America were to lift all sanctions Cuba would most likely go the Dengist route which would actually better the wealth of their country while also making it a local economic powerhouse while maintaining its sovereignty.
There can be no party or opposition that could help Cuba without sacrificing its economic sovereignty and independence. And so the onus right now is on the US to drop all sanctions and let Cuba negotiate its trade with whoever to strengthen its economy and prosperity and the betterment of the people as a whole. So right now Cuba is hurting mostly because of a mixture between the pandemic and economic sanctions. This cannot be solved by a multi party system or a single party system which is just abstract nonsense.
No.20822
>>20812They are demanding a lack of medicines and food, or something like that.
No.20823
>>20817There’s both azurescapegoats video of Cuba’s system as well as BadEmpandas. Both are very good detailed videos on the government of Cuba.
No.20825
>>20824I wish that guy would munch on a nice polonium sandwich.
No.20827
>>20826forgot to take off sage
No.20828
>>20824Another one I would like to have as a punching bag for one hour.
No.20830
The A*glow journalists should all be sent to the neolibshit holes that they participated in the creation of sans any funds and resources, of course.
No.20831
>>20829A really, REALLY lazy color revolution attempt that US media is running full speed with anyway because they know the public is stupid.
No.20832
>>20816>Maybe socialism failed to become an institution like electoral democracy did … I suppose this failure to become an institution is deeply related with the memetic disadvantage of a one-Party State. This is very perceptive, and I think that was definitely true in the USSR. It feels like the party-state never managed to fully "fuse" itself with the people. While this isn't really the thread to discuss it and it tends to create controversies, I think one exception here is China. You'll notice that arguments about the USSR vs. the West tend to be over ideology or "capitalism vs. socialism" in this binary way. That is an element too when talking about China, but what tends to come to the fore more often is China's emergence as a power and as a sovereign state that sets its own agenda.
What's also interesting to me, too, is how a lot of tropes that you'd see in surviving Marxist-Leninist states have been so normalized that it doesn't "feel" like a "communist" thing. It just feels naturally Chinese at this point or is just Sinicized and fused together like the Beijing Olympics. Those performances were straight out of a "communist" state but it doesn't feel like a separate thing or like some overlord that is detached from the people. It feels far more integrated than the Soviet party ever was. The CPC also likes to talk about a "red culture" and "red gene" that is in the metaphorical "blood" of the Chinese nation – which shouldn't be confused for some biological thing. The party's function here is like a protector of the nation; i.e. a defensive kind of patriotism.
And what's that Marx quote? "In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue."
>>20821>The Cuban government essentially is a “neutral” government but what I can point to you that is highly politicized is this: the Cuban government is very nationalistic and when I say nationalistic I mean they are very independent and adamant about their sovereignty, their sovereignty matters more to them more than anything else.This.
No.20833
Is the U.S. “left” mirroring the State Department’s talking points yet?
No.20837
>>20530The person verified is the person defending Cuba, not the astroturfers
No.20838
>>20813Tbh this shit is stupid. They need to block US social media
No.20839
>>20833Voosh and the Serfs are state departmenting it up.
No.20840
>>20839Really? Damn that sucks…
No.20841
>>20839what is voosh saying?
No.20843
>>20842>work on yourself before telling other people what to do!!!1massively cringe jordan pederson shit
No.20844
>>20843He's calling your friend pathetic
No.20845
>>20831So what are the odds of it succeeding?
No.20846
>>20845The "protests" seem to have died down mostly
No.20847
>>20844thanks, i don't care.
No.20848
>>20616If they're protesting and calling for the downfall of socialism, they've taken up arms on the side of the bourgeoisie. Gladio and such were designed for the Warsaw Pact liberating western Europe, in this case it's a bourgeois fascist counterrevolution like the GDR in 1953 or Hungary 1956, and it has to be repressed with Tambov type Chekist determination.
lenin_capLenin Cap No.20849
>>20847Likewise, not sure why you posted.
No.20850
>>20845You won't have to worry about it. Just have a leftypol gathering to book a trip to Cuba to visit and volunteer in the resistance if any such thing were to reach 1989-1991 levels. That way you could say you did your part as a communist to fight the liberal dogs.
No.20851
>>20849i posted because trueanon's post was retarded. i don't give a shit about vœsh.
No.20853
>>20536were crushing sanctions part of the "castro experiment"?
islamic_communismIslamic Communism No.20854
>>20536Prepare for the ban silence you gusano rat.
No.20855
>>20571Here's your freedom of speech, brah
No.20856
>>20842rare Brace Belden W
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.20859
>>20842"demanding more" love how he's so specific.
>people are demanding… things. i support that! No.20861
>>20797Maybe it would be a good idea to actually prove that to expose it. There is some buildings that can be used to compare with other images. Hefty task though.
No.20862
>>20675>growing oligarchyWhere and how?
No.20866
>>20865keked
sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.20867
>>20865Commiebros, it's ogre
No.20868
>>20843>shitting on people self-improving Check yourself.
eurekaEureka No.20872
>>20798Bro I've seen twice as many people at the mask burning protests in my country
This is the best glowies can do? LMAO
No.20875
I'm reading frigthening shit around.
Is Cuba falling?sandinistaSandinista
No.20876
Fake news being spread
https://twitter.com/Darly2903/status/1414416076910338050This is Buenos Aires, Argentina (the monument is famous)
https://twitter.com/Carlos_Bruce/status/1414374623026761736This is Egypt (you can even see Egyptian flags on the bottom) posted by a Peruvian ex-minister
https://twitter.com/ModernEraNews/status/1414317805101535235This is Colombia (the supermarket is Colombian) posted by some radlib
Almost no real videos around. This shows me the protests havent been big so far. In fact, the counter-protests have been much bigger. Newspapers have used images of protests in the USA and tried to pass them off as Cuban photos too.
No.20877
>>20875What implies that? Lmao
No.20878
>>20877Idk someone told me Raul Castro fled the country. (i smelt bullshit cause he's fucking 90 lol)
sandinistaSandinista No.20880
>>20878Complete nonsense. There aren't even protests right now, the cities are quiet:
https://twitter.com/pvillegas_tlSUR/status/1414423377675227137sendero_luminosoSendero Luminoso No.20882
>>20875Mememagic is pretty much a deep State tactic now. Whenever there's any hint of disturbance in an enemy country, they will flood social networks with Q-like claims of a resounding victory for freedom. Hell, when current-day documents get declassified in a couple of decades, it will turn out they actually did this mememagic shit unironically.
No.20885
Getting good information is such a fucking headache, and it's only gonna get worse with deepfakes.
No.20886
>>20884I can see Egyptian flags.
No.20887
>>20886They don't even bother to make decent fake pics because it's all about the volume of disinformation. They want you to get the impression of a massive happening even if you spot the fakes because you can't possibly check all the stuff going around. It's about the "aggregate" message they want to send, not any collection of individual messages.
No.20888
Seeing all this embargo apologia by Radlibs and Gusanos makes me fucking wish we could have China overtake the USA tomorrow so that they can apply the same embargo tactics to the US and US' allies. Starve those fucking Gusano pos.
No.20889
>>20888Is there any good resource on the details of the embargo?
No.20890
>>20715There are instances where (I believe british) intelligence agencies had secret members in parties of less than 20 members.
Idk how much leftypol has now… This is my first time here in months, but we've had a few hundred before. There's a good chance that they actually keep tabs… Dunno about active disruption measures though. There wasn't any evidence that they did that against 8pol when it was active… And we know what some of their posts were there.
No.20893
>>20887>They don't even bother to make decent fake pics because it's all about the volume of disinformation. They want you to get the impression of a massive happening even if you spot the fakes because you can't possibly check all the stuff going around. It's about the "aggregate" message they want to send, not any collection of individual messages.You don't need to spot more than a couple of fakes to apply heuristics, and see through the ruse, the concept of broad disinformation campaigns is not a leap of logic that is hard to make. This only works as long as there is zero interests attached to this information so that people never invest any energy into looking closer. As soon as this information is use to demand any investment or attachment it will fall apart.
No.20894
This shit is one of the most disgusting and blatant things I've seen for ages
No.20895
>>20894Is this not a massive opportunity on the left to redpill normies about media, manufacturing consent and imperialism?
No.20896
>>20895How so? Normies will believe CNN, that actually the Cuban gov't is minutes away from collapse.
No.20897
>>20895Maybe that's a silver lining, I fucking hope so. One step backwards, two steps forward. But it seems unlikely
No.20898
>>20893>You don't need to spot more than a couple of fakes to apply heuristicsBut it doesn't matter if you see the fakes because the consent manufacturing today isn't about being hermetic or dominating the discourse or the actors. It's about gish galloping past the public's reaction because the US state is completely unaccountable to it's citizens. It doesn't matter what "politcal cost" it has, that has already been accounted for, this is following the script.
Whether it's misdirecting it towards gusanos, making them engage in some equally manufactured vaush-like nit picking of some of the fake points, (e-)celeb drama , twitter wars.
By the time the government gears are grinding towards intervention, the public is several steps behind on what to be outraged about and disoriented.
No.20899
Aside from casus belli and optics, I've really wondered why anti-imperialist states don't just start arrest rioters AND shoot their brains out live on national television, pink mist and all. You would think the aesthetic shock value would absolutely terrorize both domestic traitors and foreign agents and gusanos alike and deter a war through sheer gruesomeness.
I really want to see a nuke armed anti-imperialist country go directly for that in the future and play the heel.stalinStalin
No.20900
>>20294Cuba has been resisting on the U.S. backyard for 60 years and has not yet fallen. They know how to handle imperialism, have faith.
No.20901
>>20895Most people already know this. The people still defending the actions of the USA are retarded inbred gusanos. They don't care.
No.20902
>>20898>By the time the government gears are grinding towards intervention, the public is several steps behind on what to be outraged about and disoriented.So basically China is becoming more coherent and organized while the US is becoming more disorganized and disoriented. If they want to have this great battle for power, why do they shoot them self in the foot ?
Also if you can realize all of this just by casually pondering about what is going on in the media , don't you think that this strategy isn't all that clever ?
No.20904
>>20903>THEY DEPLOY VIOLENCE AND ARREST 20 PEOPLE!!!In the USA atleast 10 of them would've been killed
>the protests we are seeing in Cuba are massiveKek, this is a massive cope. They're completely artificial and weak. Counter protests are even larger
>covid and economic conditionsCuba handled covid extremely well. If that was the case the US government would'be been overthrown by its own people.
Also
<we will definetly improve our economy by sanctioning and couping our country instead of giving up on sanctionsFucking "human rights watch" faggots are drooling retards and have no clue whatsoever.
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