The USA is trying to manufacture a happening in Cuba:
https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1414328377683718148Is this cause for concern or just a meaningless glow OP?
NOTICE:THREAD IS ON HIGH GUSANO ALERTislamic_communismIslamic CommunismA weird post appeared here a few hours ago talking about overthrowing the Cuban commies and the jannies deleted it. Something was up. Looks similar to previous campaigns such as SOSNicaragua where glowies and gusanos try to astroturf a color revolution into motion. Generate a few hundred people to march down the street and yell a bunch, present them as bigger than they and then the pictures get shilled hard to try to generate momentum with lots of hashtag mongering.
Incidentally, Diaz-Canel just did a ceremony to wish the Olympics team good luck.
>>20302Hoping for a counter-revolution to destroy a socialist state so people will suffer and then be reminded why socialism is good. Big brain.
>The First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Party and President of Cuba, Miguel Díaz-Canel Bermúdez, was in San Antonio de los Baños, and appeared before Cuban public TV, from where he addressed the people.
>During his statements, the Head of State denounced the participation of the US administration in the historic political destabilization actions that are taking place against Cuba, and which have intensified, particularly during the pandemic.
>He illustrated with concrete examples that occurred between 2020 and 2021, particularly difficult years in which the economic, commercial and financial blockade against the Island has been hardened to cruelty, with the purpose of suffocating the island's economy, and ending interference.
[…]
>In San Antonio de los Baños, he says, a group of people gathered in one of the most central parks to claim, even revolutionary people who may be confused by the misinformation on social networks joined.
>"We call on all revolutionaries to take to the streets to defend the Revolution in all places," said Díaz-Canel.
>"We are not going to hand over the sovereignty of our homeland," he said.
>>370355Someone hasn't read their color revolution handbook where the point is to provoke an overreaction from the state. Tried it in Hong Kong too.
>>20320100%
>>20302Nah bro. It sucks if we lose Cuba. We lost Russia and look at it now. No chance of Russia becoming truly communist anytime soon.
>>20307They even got Mia Khalifa to post about it 2 days ago.
>>20302As a Latin American, fuck you bitch.
>>20294Amerilards getting ever more desperate, their empire is crumbling. It's like watching a cornered animal. Sad! (and funny)
chavismoChavismo >>20294A friendly remind to everyone that Cuba is a revisionary fascist dictatorship.
Shit Castro wasn't even a communist after the revolution as he claimed that communism isn't cristian and he was friendly to Franco. Like chavez (before he assumed power) he just wanted to have independence but there wasn't a "right wing" (or anything that isn't communist) anti USA government in latin america, that's why they choose socialism.
>>20347What's up with influx of these style comments?
Complete dogshit liberalism
>>20344no this is
>>20346I don't mean 300 blackwater dudes chilling out and trying to have a little insurrection with real guns this time. I mean that if you cut the head off of a non mythic snake it doesn't grow back.
>Al Qaeda lost Bin Laden and they went away>ISIS lost Al Baghdadi and they're not coming back>not to mention the propaganda victory it is once the heads diedSome prince kills a few of his family members over petty shit and the Nepalese royal family is defunct shortly after. This guy should really be considered a commie hero.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_royal_massacre >>20363Your shit stinks of demoralization.
>>20364i don't know I meant to quote
>>20356 >>20366>Your shit stinks of demoralization.I'm just trying to point out an inconsistency in leftypol's logic.
>>20368As long as China is around, you probably have nothing to worry about. Cuba going lib would be pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
>>20369they even contacted Mia Khalifa
I have 0 doubts we have some glowies in here
>>20370<ChinaWhere the fuck are they in this moment?
When Russia had to protect its Syrian ally they intervened and BTFOed the opposition, China?
Their non intervention shit is the biggest blackpill imaginable
sandinistaSandinista >>20376A very small bunch and in an inconsequential way (most likely intel gathering).
As long as China will not pay back we'll be trampled by a wave of color revolutions and liberalism.
sandinistaSandinista >>20362Putin wouldn't give a fuck about China if I told him that the Old World Order is back and it's Me (USA), Modi, Macron (political chameleon), Kagame, Boris, Bolsonaro, Orban, and him vs. China and all other communist countries and insufficiently right wing governments (Germany, Belgium, Sweden, etc)
Fallout: New Vegas is literally a simulation for my future political moves, and I know that the average NCR man doesn't give a fuck about House or Caesar as long as they're personally doing pretty good.
rethuglicanRethuglican >>20360all those organizations failed for completely different reasons dumbass, this isnt one of your shitty burger movies or video games where all the npcs die once the queen is killed.
Do you honestly believe Cuba would collapse if they killed Diaz-Canel? dont be ridiculous
>>20384No, I'm saying that the Us and China are playing a rigged game, cause the Us can depose via color revolutions and coups non aligned government and China cannot.
You can't win this game.
sandinistaSandinista >>20360Irrelevant. Castro, Che, Ho Chi Minh are all dead but their legacies stand. Why is that?
>nepalese royal familyThat's because monarchy is a bankrupt concept in the 21st century. Why should people keep inbreds in power just because some ancestor of theirs won some dumb battle centuries ago?
>>20363Yeah right, "Cubans". Pic related
chavismoChavismo >>20396Can't change the game.
There's too much violence on the other side.
You have scarce nuance or space to maneouvre.
sandinistaSandinista >>20414oh no some random fags online really matter
hey cia uygha hope ya get ya paycheck. A good one too. I mean that sincerely go feed yo family. Keep shit posting here, who gives a shit?
>>20390>>20394I don't wanna kill NPC's at all, that's a useless McNamara strategy.
>Do you honestly believe Cuba would collapse if they killed Diaz-Canel? dont be ridiculous.Culling various people in the top 20% according to the pareto principle destroys any organization, I think as little of.
Once Tony Soprano was gone, that was the death knell of his organization, killing him doesn't singlehandedley ruin the group if he's the first and only casualty, but after what– half the gang was gone since from like Season 4? The family is gone before a Season 7 can even be filmed so to speak.
rethuglicanRethuglican >>20441>disposition matrix the top 10% of Cuban military officers>a bunch of random conscripts say fuck this and surrender because they're not jihadists who believe that dying = power ups in the afterlife>???>Grenada 2.0>>20443From wikipedia
>In October 2011, The Washington Post reported that Rubio's previous statements that his parents were forced to leave Cuba in 1959 (after Fidel Castro came to power) were embellishments.[4] His parents actually left Cuba in 1956, during the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista.[4] According to the Post, "[in] Florida, being connected to the post-revolution exile community gives a politician cachet that could never be achieved by someone identified with the pre-Castro exodus, a group sometimes viewed with suspicion."[4] Rubio denied that he had embellished his family history, stating that his public statements about his family were based on "family lore".[4] >family loreI love a good foundation myth, makes war easier to fight.
>>20436They are even trying to pass off the counter-demonstrations as being the pro-USA crowd with fake audio. There's a strong glow campaign going on right now, including all the usual social media shenanigans. Mia Khalifa posted about Cuba 2 days ago. Blue check people get paid to post shit about it. Expect the online anarchists, leftcoms and Vaushites to post about this for the next weeks. Expect Reddit front page posts.
The video has a low camera angle and about 100 to 500 people. Now they will amplify it in the media and say the entirety of Cuba is revolting.
This is how they start color revolutions. They hope people inside Cuba will believe the foreign news and that it will snowball from there. But the president of Cuba already told the volunteers to come out and counter-protest against these gusanos.
I'm not super worried as of now, they try this shit every couple of years. This is exactly what they did with Hong Kong too, but it didn't work there and it hopefully won't work now.
>>20437<Assuming Bri deals are irreversible when Italy literally reverted its deal under Us threatsI can see where are you pointing anon, but you are underestimating the power of sheer violence and coercion.
A bunch of infrastructure does not change the political landscape of a country.
>>20462Holy mother of
B A S E D
>>20459Those were wars, the people who wanted to fight in them actually wanted to and there was a lot of them.
Social media warfare is probably superior to gun warfare at this point, Pvt. Diaz and Cpl. Batista will surrender when they realize that they'll never get to see Evangelion 4.0 if they obey the orders of the 9th guy in line to run the fucking country.
>>20347They were basically forced into the arms of Marxism by the fact of imperial aggression.
I'll never understand, why the American elites have such hubris.
eristocracyΈριστοκρατία >>20294Cuba must look @ Haitian capitalism and think
"Wow i wish it was me"
Google translate with some corrections:
Cuba, Cubans. There are moments in the country's history when we have been pushed to the limit. Today we live in a particular situation, a pandemic that shakes the world, the Cuban authorities have done everything possible, however, the enemy in a stubborn desire to annihilate the Revolution, he has insisted on punishing us, persecuting us and manipulating us. For this he has made use of what he knows well, his illegal and arbitrary measures, but now, he has added one more element, manipulating those manipulable people in Cuba, those who live thinking of being there and not here.
Today a series of protests took place in the country, between claims and insults. We cannot forget that the Cuban Constitution was voted 9% against, not everyone agrees with the Revolution, and we are not going to force them to agree either. Worms, they have always existed.
But it is one thing that they exist, and another thing is to serve the historical enemy of the Revolution: the USA. We Cuban revolutionaries know perfectly what we have to defend. And as I said at the beginning, our history knows well the call of the Homeland: There was a first charge with the machete, then a second, and in Cuba there will always be the necessary ones.
Cuba, Cubans, to the machete! Fidel and the Cuban remedy…
Original:
>Cubana, cubano. Hay momentos de la historia patria en que nos han puesto al límite. Hoy vivimos una situación particular, una pandemia que conmueve al mundo, las autoridades cubanas han hecho todo lo posible, sin embargo, el enemigo en un obcecado afán de aniquilar la Revolución, se ha empeñado en castigarnos, en perseguirnos y manipulando. Para ello ha echado mano a lo que conoce bien, sus medidas ilegales y arbitrarias, pero ahora, ha agregado un elemento más, manipular a esa gente manipulable en Cuba, esos que viven pensando en estar allá y no aquí. Hoy de desarrollaron en el país una serie de protestas, entre reclamos e insultos. No podemos olvidar, que la Constitución cubana tuvo un 9% en contra, no todo el mundo está de acuerdo con la Revolución, y tampoco los vamos a obligar que lo estén. Gusanos, han existido siempre, pero una cosa es que existan, y otra diferente es servile al enemigo histórico de la Revolución; los EEUU. Nosotros, los revolucionarios cubanos, sabemos perfectamente lo que tenemos que defender. Y como dije al principio, nuestra historia conoce bien el llamado de la Patria, hubo una primera carga la machete, luego una segunda, y en Cuba siempre habrán las necesarias. ¡Cubana, cubano, al machete! Fidel y el remedio cubano…cubaCuba
I'm just reading about Grenada properly for the first time and found this.
>>20490Not me? Thank fuck, cause I'm literally INCITING AN INSURRECTION INTO YOUR SHITTY LITTLE COMMIE COUNTRIES
>>20496kek
>>20394I want face-rape that motherfucker so hard, he would wish to be dead after how he would look.
Piece of garbage.
>>20468Even if BRI projects remain in place,this means nothing for workers in the country, cause you can easily have a shitton of infrastructure paid by China AND a reactionary political structure.
So Chinese soft power is nowhere as strong as Us soft power in impacting the political sphere of countries,for the very simple fact that "I'm not gonna make contracts with you" (which is Chinese leverage) is way less than a threat than "Do as i say or you won't wake up tomorrow". (which is the Us one).
Its like regular businessman vs the cartel, there's no way the first win.
sandinistaSandinista >>20485Proofs?
>>20490What's suspicious about my IP? It's not located on a military base or something (I just checked).
>>20526WUT? VERIFIED? HOW THE FUCK?
lmao
Totally not astroturf.
>>20526>>20529Now that we know is pure astroturfing, the question is: Why?
Last time I saw one, was with Venezuelan "refugees" crossing the US-Mexico border (in a very staged show) and the reason was that in the next two months, a meeting discussing the $$$ that the ONG will receive to support the immigrants.
Is there going to be a new meeting or something in the congress regards the Cuban question, is it Biden that is planning to re-take Obama policy on Cuba?
>>20536There is a difference between criticisms from the masses and Glowie criticism.
You can tell its glowie by calls to "end the dictatorship" and waving US Flags.
Cuba has been criticized by the masses but it never gets mentioned on twitter. The only reason why its trending is because this is a GLOWY OPERATION
>>20537Biden said during the campaign that he'd go back to the Obama-era policy but hasn't done shit and ease up on the sanctions. I wonder if this is an attempt by glowies and gusanos to stir it up as a way of pressuring Biden and to maintain the Trump-era hardliner policy.
>>20541There are always plots ongoing.
>>20545Based.
I didn't support such a measure from old BO of talking about Rojava and saying "bad" things about Assad but Cuba is an actual socialist country enduring 60 of economic warfare by the US.
>>20552How exactly am I glowing? I haven't even said any anti-Cuba or pro-protest shit.
>>20553What exactly did I say that is retarded?
>>20558You're kinda sus.
Also, request for an amogus flag, it's urgent.
TelesurTV had videos about the counter-protests on Twitter but the posts got deleted. What the fuck?
This was the link:
https://twitter.com/teleSURtv/status/1414369523407405060cubaCuba>>20593You're welcome.
>>20591Maybe we can check their site, although they are long-form videos as far as I can tell.
https://www.telesurenglish.net/https://www.telesurtv.net/cubaCuba >>20599Even assuming that these were actual enemy combatants, why would you use artillery in your own cities? The collateral damage alone would be ridiculous
>>20600LARPing American, this isn't a revolution and nothing is going to come out of this. The protests will likely fizzle out in a few weeks, so by the time you get your pasty ass down to Cuba to "kill some imperialists" the action will have already ended.
>>20518based cuban liberty enjoyers
When will cummies finally admit that working for shareholders is literally just the natural order of things, and deviating from it is futile.
We have the balls of steel that wagies lack to make infestments and get shit done. Without us you are n o t h i n g
anarcho-capitalismAnarcho-Capitalism >>20609http://twittervideodownloader.com/then just find a website to convert from mp4 to webm
of course this site supports webm too
>>20609Please download these videos bros before they get taken down and help spread them.
>>20610Cuba has prepared for a massive guerilla war for decades. I'm not sure the USA would stand a real chance given they don't go full nuclear holocaust.
cubaCuba >>20618>Cuba has prepared for a massive guerilla war for decades.Which is all well and good, but the US has demonstrated a willingness to endure guerilla war for decades, and unfortunately Cuba doesn't have the geographic advantages that Afghanistan enjoys.
Besides that, the cocksucking cold warrior generals in the Pentagon would probably be satisfied whatever the outcome, as long as they got to bomb the impudent dogs in Cuba.
>>20622Has there been a single asymmetrical war the USA won? I don't see how an invasion would help regime change if there is a real guerilla movement of the masses. You can't take over a country like that (or you can't keep it).
>>20624CIA makes NGO. NGO pays celebrities for posts.
cubaCuba >>20619Something somethign Nazi, something something arguments. *hangs up*
horse cocks>>20620It's honestly hard to look at Twitter, the format is so short and .. ehm… groupthink-y by design that I just can't look past how many of the posts are indistinguishable from bots. Plus it shows such a limited slice of the responses. It's like if every online forum started replacing subforums, threads and search with " here are some choice posts the algorithm has chosen for you"
>>20620Ok lmao its definetly and artificial glow op, and a weak one. This is going nowhere unless biden picks it up and decides to invade
>>20623Don't worry.
>>20544>I wonder if this is an attempt by glowies and gusanos to stir it up as a way of pressuring Biden and to maintain the Trump-era hardliner policy.I think it is most likely.
>>20545At this point, in this thread,
yes.
>>20549Glowing for free TM. You, sir, are a useful idiot.
>>20566Casus belli, my friend.
>>20626>Has there been a single asymmetrical war the USA won?I think the definition of "winning" in the Pentagon has shifted dramatically since its fusion with the MIC. If Afghanistan is a model, regime change, setting up a national bourgeoisie, and a stable (if corrupt) government isn't the end goal any more. Now war for war's sake seems to be the goal. Otherwise, with operations winding down in Afghanistan, you're looking at several very large, very wealthy, very well connected corporations, like Raytheon or Lockheed-Martin, which stand to see diminished profits as demand for bombs and replacement parts decline.
There's also to consider the nature of the US's "stealth welfare," which is the money and jobs that are provided by factories, companies, and contractors which provide the USM with its material (tanks, helmets, parachutes, etc).
I doubt the US government cares very much one way or another that Cuba is Communist, but would be glad to have another target to start bombing, and especially one that's so conveniently close to home.
>>20640???
You said Cuba lacks geographic advantages, I pointed out one
>After Fidel Castro returned to Cuba in 1956 from exile in Mexico, he and the few other survivors from the failed 1953 attack on Moncada Barracks hid out in Sierra Maestra. There they succeeded in expanding their 26th of July Movement, starting a revolution throughout the region. They built up guerrilla columns, and in collaboration with other groups in the central provinces, Escopeteros on the foot-hills and plains, and the urban resistance, eventually overthrew Fulgencio Batista on 1 January 1959.>>20648Both
chavismoChavismo >>20643NTA and I more less agree but about
>Now war for war's sake seems to be the goalI think it varies depending on the situation. I think in the case of Afghanistan it's a mix between not coming up with a proper strategy to beat the Taliban and not really giving a fuck and allowing them to continue their shit to justify keeping troops there. However in the case of Cuba I think the US would seek a win in the original meaning, replace the government with anything that will be loyal to the US (dictatorship, liberal democracy, etc) to take the opportunity to invest and get back all the lost profits ever since the revolution.
This is a generalization, but maybe in the case of really shitty countries, which will probably never even have the opportunity to become more developed (ie Afghanistan) the goal is to simply be there, and try to stay there for as long as possible. And in the case of countries which have a lot of potential to invest and whatnot such as Cuba the goal is regime change and a proper win for imperialism.
>A bunch of first world commies who don't care about Cuba, they just hate right-wing politics in their own country and use Cuba as an example of XY or Z. Add a handful of right-wingers and neoliberals who also don't care about Cuba, they just want to use the terrible state of the country as an example of their own XY or Z. If Cuba were a right-wing dictatorship, their roles would just inverse. "No, the dictator isn't perfect but he's improved the country and if not for [sanctions / rebels / foreign intervention], it would be a paradise".
>I'm from Venezuela AKA Cuba 2: Electric Boogaloo, so it's pretty much the same every time my country shows up in the news. If anyone Cubans show up, they'll be ignored by the tankies, because #notruecuban would oppose the glorious authoritarian state and you must be, depending on the degree of magical thinking involved, a CIA shill, or a rich fascist cuz you speak English and have internet access.
The malding impotence from Reddit is delicious
>>20657CIA directors visited Bolsonaro
Communists/Anti-Imperialists elected/leading in Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Brazil, etc.
Haiti's leader assasinated with foreign mercenaries
US troops pulling out of Afghanistan
With all this, my guess is that Operation Condor2.0 is on the radar
>>20652That's a different person. I didn't say that Cuba lacks geographic advantages, but that it lacks the geographic advantages of Afghanistan, namely that Afghanistan is extremely mountainous, it shares borders with states that are hostile to the US and willing to provide various types of support to the locals, it's landlocked, and it's on the other side of the planet.
Cuba meanwhile is less than a hundred miles from the US coastline, surrounded by the US navy, a third of Afghanistan's size, bordered on all sides by American allies, and, while not a geographic quality, its population hasn't been locked in guerilla war with foreign powers since the 70s.
>>20656You might be right. I guess we'll see.
Starting wars in Cuba and Venezuela, so soon after ending operations in Afghanistan, seems to me like it would be really politically risky at the moment however you might slice it. It seems like a big gamble just to settle an old score with Cuba, or to put a bourgie regime in charge of Venezuela.
>>20661>>20662Honestly, I don't know. Since the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the 600 failed assassination attempts on Castro, they're going for the indirect stuff (embargo, sanctions, planes dropping leaflets, paid gusano "protesters") but as I said on my first post, USoids are getting more desperate. They could lash out.
But I trust the CPC and the Cuban people. Remember the Bay of Pigs was supposed to be a walk in the park for the burgers too.
chavismoChavismo >>20659>Frontpage of /r/worldnews>Half the comments are taking the piss at imperialist pigs and gusanos<Most upvoted comment holding since the submission was made (picrel3)>"Freedom from US embargo">Half the comments are malding neoloberals and gods know how many bots<(miamiherald.com)Hahaha what is this half-assed garbage?
Did they outsource this Op to Hunter Biden's Wondrous Painting Emporium?
>>20657I'm wondering if it isn't trying to reverse losses incurred during the Trump administration.
In the early 2000s there were a number of Left leaning governments that came to power in LA. Obama spent his two terms working to undo it, removing the president of Honduras for instance, or manufacturing charges against Brazil's Lula da Silva.
Trump tried to continue that trend, supporting the puppet Guaido in Venezuela and trying to contest the elections in Bolivia. Whether or not this was due to Trump's incompetence or to the CIA wanting to make him look bad, either way they didn't take, and now it's looking like Lula is going up against Bolsonaro in Brazil and is likely to win.
So this could be the US going gloves off and using their military to bring the colonies back into line, but only time will tell
>>20685Amerilards shipped in from Miami
>>20689Yes. And the people support the CPC, they may not necessarily be literal communists but they remember what it was like before the Revolution (US brothel) and after (free republic). These "protests" are obvious astroturf shit
chavismoChavismo >>20685They have an american heart.
In the DW coverage people were marching with masks with american flags.
They aren't even subtle.
>>20693Russia has not let one of his allies down since Medvedev leaved office. I don't like nuclear war, but I believe the US doesn't like it too.
>>20683I also wonder whether glowies are trying to shift attention from the absolute madness in Haiti.
Also look at Lebanon. The PM is warning the country could collapse within days, but we're hearing about this glowie stuff.
>>20692During Trump's campaigning he attacked "The Deep State," aka, the alphabet soup agencies. They also had a hand in manufacturing Russiagate nonsense, and Trump was very critical of them, their War on/of Terror. This is part of why Democrats now love "the intelligence community."
From 2016:
https://newrepublic.com/article/139348/trumps-war-cia-deep-right-wing-roots
>Donald Trump’s biggest fight during his transition to the presidency is with an unusual foe, the Central Intelligence Agency. Responding to a CIA assessment that the Russian government interfered in the U.S. election, Trump’s transition team bluntly dismissed the agency as “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.” Michael Flynn, Trump’s national security adviser, has long seen the CIA as a biased political enemy. As The New York Times reports, “Mr. Flynn’s assessment that the C.I.A. is a political arm of the Obama administration is not widely shared by Republicans or Democrats in Washington. But it has appeared to have been internalized by the one person who matters most right now: Mr. Trump.” As a result, there has emerged “an extraordinary rift between the president-elect and the nation’s intelligence community that is unlikely to be bridged anytime soon.”2019:
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/29/773127809/how-the-relationship-between-trump-and-his-spy-chiefs-soured
>Even when he's praising his spy chiefs, President Trump can't resist taking a swipe.
>The instinct was on full display this past weekend, as he announced the killing of ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
>"Thank you, as well, to the great intelligence professionals who helped make this very successful journey possible," he said in an address from the White House on Sunday.
>His intelligence officials are ''spectacular," "great patriots," the president went on.
>But then, this: "And it's really a deserving name, intelligence. I have dealt with some people that aren't very intelligent, having to do with intel."
>Even while proclaiming an undisputed intelligence and military success, Trump took a moment to needle and to complain about "poor leadership" and time wasted by U.S. intelligence in the past.
>Trump's hostility to the intelligence community has been relentless. He talks frequently of the "deep state" and "witch hunts" that are out to get him.
>And that was all before a whistleblower complaint revealed concerns about a White House phone call with Ukraine, which has sparked the impeachment inquiry now underway. That whistleblower is reported to be a current employee of the CIA.
>"It did not surprise me that ultimately an intelligence officer was the person who was going to blow the whistle on what the president did," says Leon Panetta, who was director of the CIA from 2009 to 2011 under President Barack Obama. >>20304No need for an army, normal cuban people can beat them up.
>>20307Are they actually firing at the protestors there? Or is he just lying?
>>20701No report of a single shot fired. Just rightwing exageration as always.
The thief thinks everyone is the same
>>20700It goes beyond a "personal grudge." Trump's foreign policy was directly at odds with the CIA/Pentagon's long term plans. Trump threatened to curtail CIA's operations and end operations in Afghanistan, and he was at odds with his generals over Afghanistan and Iraq.
https://www.axios.com/off-the-rails-trump-military-withdraw-afghanistan-5717012a-d55d-4819-a79f-805d5eb3c6e2.html
>Trump's calls to halt the "endless wars" could be traced back to at least 2011, when he was a real estate developer and reality TV celebrity. He'd sent scores of tweets railing against the U.S. military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan while mulling the idea of running for president.
>Once in office, though, Trump's ambitions to withdraw from Afghanistan and other countries were subdued, slow-rolled, and detoured by military leaders.
>Trump did not help his own agenda when he surrounded himself at the start with generals, many of whom had made their careers at U.S. Central Command. They fundamentally disagreed with the president's worldview. They were personally invested in Afghanistan. And several would come to see it as their job to save America and the world from their commander in chief.
>By the spring of 2017, two generals Trump had installed in top positions — Defense Secretary Jim Mattis in an interagency process run by National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster — had begun working on an option to send 4,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.
>This became a fundamental policy battle that attracted a full array of civilian, military and political warriors — some assembling in the first flush of Trump's presidency, but leaving within a year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5woXb-XnSYQAquí pensaban seguir
Ganando el ciento por ciento
Con casas de apartamentos
Y echar al pueblo a sufrir
Y seguir de modo cruel
Contra el pueblo conspirando
Para seguirlo explotando
Y en eso llegó Fidel
Se acabó la diversión
Llegó el comandante
Y mandó a parar
Se acabó la diversión
Llegó el comandante
Y mandó a parar
>>20720That's a brilliant idea, you larp as a Cuban "socialist" you're just a average Cuban you believe. Oh but the evil government has robbed us, those dictators we will help.
it wasn't the US economic war nope >plunges the country in to dismayI'm you're friend let me kill you now.
>>20718Succdems, not even once. Truly the left wing of fascism
>>20724Nice quads
chavismoChavismo >>20767What’s with this thought Demsocs have where they think “democracy is when there is political parties and the more parties there are the more democraticastical it is!”
I expect that shit from libs but not socialists
>>20767The main problem is the embargo/sanctions.
That's where I disagree with that weak stance.
>>20765Always bring up Syria, Iraq, Libya and other places whose freddomizationing America supported. Simple statistics say that whatever America supports is literally the worst possible scenario. The only possible exception to this since WW2 is Afghanistan, and even that obscures the fact that America pretty much created Taliban in the first place.
>>20768It's easy to place a monomaniacal focus on non-material rights for 1st world people. It's easy to envision yourself being unable to speak freely but not losing all the material comfort you don't know you have, like working infrastructure, welfare, even things as menial as clean streets. It's hard for a 1st world person to envision losing those, he takes it for granted.
>>20773>I mean the whole point of the vanguard is that it holds a monopoly on power.There's a couple of issues I see here:
1. The working class is not a hivemind. They are inevitable going to have varying ideas for how things ought to be done, and I think it is best to have more than one represented at a time. Having only one set of ideas represented at one time could potentially stifle much-needed reforms and prevent marginalized groups from having their voices heard.
2. The vanguard party could become detached from working class interests. Having another party that can come along and shake things up could help prevent this form happening.
>>20775>It's easy to place a monomaniacal focus on non-material rights for 1st world people. It's easy to envision yourself being unable to speak freely but not losing all the material comfort you don't know you have, like working infrastructure, welfare, even things as menial as clean streets. It's hard for a 1st world person to envision losing those, he takes it for granted.I think that having a multiparty system could ensure a better material well-being than a one-party system could. Let's take a look at Soviet planning, as an example. It has become well-known that, while the Soviet Union did an excellent job industrializing, it eventually became very rigid and did a poor job innovating and providing people with consumer goods. Much of this seems to have been due to a lack of accountability for the planners. In a multiparty system, if the ruling party/coalition is doing a bad job with planning, they may risk losing the next election, thus giving them an incentive to improve their planning.
>>20783"ONE OF THE LARGEST ANTI-GOVERNMENT DEMONSTRATIONS IN MEMORY"
Christ, this is just sad.
>>20798Lel, this was all the ameritards could muster? They truly aren't sending their best
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>>20794>>20741chavismoChavismo >>20791>The thing is that Cuba isn’t even run by a party, it’s run by its fucking people’s Congress. The communist party acts as a guiding force but it doesn’t run the country the way the communist part of the Soviets did and China does.Hmm, ok, that's a bit different from how Marxist-Leninist states are usually run. Personally I think the Cuban system sounds better.
>So if the party isn’t in charge then it’s not the fucking party you target but the government itself.What is the relationship of the Communist Party of Cuba to the National Assembly? According to Wikipedia, all 605 seats in the National Assembly are controlled by the "Committees for the Defense of the Revolution". I don't really understand these committees very well, as they do not seem to function as a political party, at least in the conventional sense of the term.
>What’s the point of having abstract parties if none of them have policies that can actually improve the material reality of Cubans?I don't really know a whole lot about the political system of Cuba, so I can't comment on this.
> What are they gonna do? Lower taxes? The fuck? What for? Are there going to be parties that would advocate for social Darwinism to cut ration cards?Address whatever issues voters feel the Communist Party of Cuba isn't adequately addressing, I don't know. I don't know a whole lot about the current issues in Cuba, so I can't comment on this.
>Parties won’t change anything in Cuba because the country isn’t run by any particular parties.That seems plausible, although I don't know enough about Cuba's political system to know for certain.
So apparently Cuba hardly even censors the internet, they're even more lenient than Vietnam. Sites like Wikipedia. Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, WhatsApp and so on are all accessible.
https://ooni.org/post/cuba-internet-censorship-2017/#blocked-websitesCuban government gets everything it deserves for being a tech-illiterate gerontocracy.
>>20779I didn't make a defense for a one-party State. That said, yes that's a powerful talking point too. It's related to the spook which places election of representatives as the end-all-be-all of democracy, provides that illusion of different groups living in harmony and tolerating each other. We here know that the centerpiece isn't the democracy itself but private property, and the greatest lovers of liberty won't hesitate to bring in the brownshirts if he thinks that was under threat. In this sense, existing socialism is at a memetic disadvantage, because we openly admit that liberalism would be a civilizational downgrade, let alone anything more reactionary that that. For good or will, this creates a dichotomy of people vs State. We know that this dichotomy isn't really true from the point of view of class struggle, but most people don't, and in any case even we are susceptible to bias. It was one of those base features built into the system which Stalin pre-packaged and exported as one-size-fits-all.
Maybe socialism failed to become an institution like electoral democracy did. The latter, propaganda or not, is typically cherished by the majority and they put up varying degrees of resistance against attempts to dismantle it. Socialism had no such pervasiveness, and protecting it is supposed to be the entire point of the workers' State anyway, so why bother taking to the streets to brawl with reactoids? Except reactoids don't act, they
subvert, so infiltrated the State and dismantled it as the people looked on almost helplessly. I suppose this failure to become an institution is deeply related with the memetic disadvantage of a one-Party State. Now I wonder how things would have panned out with a theoretically trivial change: the communist party was instead officially renamed as the executive branch, the soviets became officially the legislative branch, and, nominally, the country had no parties and every citizen could take part, with no actual practical change, neither for more nor less authoritarianism. Could this non-material change have made significant impact? Maybe not to the point of avoiding the dismantling, but honestly, I think it would have made a considerable impact, at least outside the USSR itself.
>>20810Let me explain what Cuba’s government is. It has a National Assembly as you pointedly out that is voted by secret ballot. The locals voted on have many responsibilities to the local people’s of their district. Policy isn’t acted out nationally, instead it is organically developed according to the needs of a locality. The Cuban government essentially is a “neutral” government but what I can point to you that is highly politicized is this: the Cuban government is very nationalistic and when I say nationalistic I mean they are very independent and adamant about their sovereignty, their sovereignty matters more to them more than anything else. This means that the Cuban government has total sovereignty over its territory and economy. This obviously means that a foreign fruit company or McDonald’s or whatever cannot set up a store there. Cuba is one of the few nations with near complete economic independence. This hard political stance of economic independence means that a nation can’t go there and claim land for its own benefit. If Cuba took the Dengist approach it would look more like China or if it took the Doi Poi reform approach again it would look like Vietnam. If Cuba were ever to allow foreign companies to set up in Cuba it would do it to the benefit of the Cuba economy. They cannot do this because of the sanctions and blockades and shit. If America were to lift all sanctions Cuba would most likely go the Dengist route which would actually better the wealth of their country while also making it a local economic powerhouse while maintaining its sovereignty.
There can be no party or opposition that could help Cuba without sacrificing its economic sovereignty and independence. And so the onus right now is on the US to drop all sanctions and let Cuba negotiate its trade with whoever to strengthen its economy and prosperity and the betterment of the people as a whole. So right now Cuba is hurting mostly because of a mixture between the pandemic and economic sanctions. This cannot be solved by a multi party system or a single party system which is just abstract nonsense.
>>20816>Maybe socialism failed to become an institution like electoral democracy did … I suppose this failure to become an institution is deeply related with the memetic disadvantage of a one-Party State. This is very perceptive, and I think that was definitely true in the USSR. It feels like the party-state never managed to fully "fuse" itself with the people. While this isn't really the thread to discuss it and it tends to create controversies, I think one exception here is China. You'll notice that arguments about the USSR vs. the West tend to be over ideology or "capitalism vs. socialism" in this binary way. That is an element too when talking about China, but what tends to come to the fore more often is China's emergence as a power and as a sovereign state that sets its own agenda.
What's also interesting to me, too, is how a lot of tropes that you'd see in surviving Marxist-Leninist states have been so normalized that it doesn't "feel" like a "communist" thing. It just feels naturally Chinese at this point or is just Sinicized and fused together like the Beijing Olympics. Those performances were straight out of a "communist" state but it doesn't feel like a separate thing or like some overlord that is detached from the people. It feels far more integrated than the Soviet party ever was. The CPC also likes to talk about a "red culture" and "red gene" that is in the metaphorical "blood" of the Chinese nation – which shouldn't be confused for some biological thing. The party's function here is like a protector of the nation; i.e. a defensive kind of patriotism.
And what's that Marx quote? "In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue."
>>20821>The Cuban government essentially is a “neutral” government but what I can point to you that is highly politicized is this: the Cuban government is very nationalistic and when I say nationalistic I mean they are very independent and adamant about their sovereignty, their sovereignty matters more to them more than anything else.This.
>>20798Bro I've seen twice as many people at the mask burning protests in my country
This is the best glowies can do? LMAO
Fake news being spread
https://twitter.com/Darly2903/status/1414416076910338050This is Buenos Aires, Argentina (the monument is famous)
https://twitter.com/Carlos_Bruce/status/1414374623026761736This is Egypt (you can even see Egyptian flags on the bottom) posted by a Peruvian ex-minister
https://twitter.com/ModernEraNews/status/1414317805101535235This is Colombia (the supermarket is Colombian) posted by some radlib
Almost no real videos around. This shows me the protests havent been big so far. In fact, the counter-protests have been much bigger. Newspapers have used images of protests in the USA and tried to pass them off as Cuban photos too.
>>20715There are instances where (I believe british) intelligence agencies had secret members in parties of less than 20 members.
Idk how much leftypol has now… This is my first time here in months, but we've had a few hundred before. There's a good chance that they actually keep tabs… Dunno about active disruption measures though. There wasn't any evidence that they did that against 8pol when it was active… And we know what some of their posts were there.
>>20893>You don't need to spot more than a couple of fakes to apply heuristicsBut it doesn't matter if you see the fakes because the consent manufacturing today isn't about being hermetic or dominating the discourse or the actors. It's about gish galloping past the public's reaction because the US state is completely unaccountable to it's citizens. It doesn't matter what "politcal cost" it has, that has already been accounted for, this is following the script.
Whether it's misdirecting it towards gusanos, making them engage in some equally manufactured vaush-like nit picking of some of the fake points, (e-)celeb drama , twitter wars.
By the time the government gears are grinding towards intervention, the public is several steps behind on what to be outraged about and disoriented.
>>20898>By the time the government gears are grinding towards intervention, the public is several steps behind on what to be outraged about and disoriented.So basically China is becoming more coherent and organized while the US is becoming more disorganized and disoriented. If they want to have this great battle for power, why do they shoot them self in the foot ?
Also if you can realize all of this just by casually pondering about what is going on in the media , don't you think that this strategy isn't all that clever ?
>>20903>THEY DEPLOY VIOLENCE AND ARREST 20 PEOPLE!!!In the USA atleast 10 of them would've been killed
>the protests we are seeing in Cuba are massiveKek, this is a massive cope. They're completely artificial and weak. Counter protests are even larger
>covid and economic conditionsCuba handled covid extremely well. If that was the case the US government would'be been overthrown by its own people.
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<we will definetly improve our economy by sanctioning and couping our country instead of giving up on sanctionsFucking "human rights watch" faggots are drooling retards and have no clue whatsoever.
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