Reports are coming in from Labour list and momentum that there are preparations for a showdown at the 2021 labour conference. With Labour branches putting forward a motion to re-instate Jeremy Corbyn and transferring the ability of removal of MP's to labour members. This is the biggest internal matter Kieth Starmer has faced yet, loosing this vote at confrence threatens to majorly undermine his leadership and demostrate a left majority against his leadership within the party.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/08/jeremy-corbyn-could-be-reinstated-as-labour-mp-under-leftwing-challenge-to-starmersandinistaSandinistaThe United Kingdom was the most proletarian country in the world. This was hardly the image it projected overseas, or within the empire, or to itself. Yet it had the largest and perhaps the most uniform urban working class –rivalled in size only by the German and the American. In no place other than the United Kingdom could it be said that up to 80 per cent of the people were known as the ‘working classes’. The British people were ‘manual workers’,they were ‘hands’, ‘housewives’. Most were ‘respectable’, ‘decent’ indeed. A minority were so far from being ‘gentle’ they were labelled ‘rough’. The people were not, as in most of the world, peasants, but proletarians living in a complex interconnected society. Their lives were recorded by the hand of a bureaucrat – a shipping clerk, a census enumerator, a War Office pen-pusher,an official in a labour exchange – not by their own hands.<br/>Labour, work, toil were, aside from sleep, what most did with most of their time. Necessity’s sharp pinch was never far away. Most owned very little – three-quarters had less than £100 (a low annual wage) in wealth. They owned very little more than their clothes and furniture and kitchen utensils. They were branded on the tongue, speaking in local accents,different from those of the gentlefolk above them. They were marked by their clothing: they wore cloth caps if male, and if female might have, at the beginning of the century, covered their heads with a shawl. They paid rent to private landlords, and they worked for private employers. If employed, they were paid weekly, and from 1911 were subject to a specific working-class poll-tax, National Insurance. The great majority paid no income tax, and if they did they paid no National Insurance. They started work earlier in the morning than the middle class. There were special ‘workmen’s tickets’ on trains running before 8 a.m.; such fares accounted for some 5 per cent ormore of passenger revenue in the 1930s, and one-third of the ordinary number of tickets sold (excluding season tickets).<br/>They had schools, and many other institutions, exclusively to themselves too. So-called ‘elementary’ schools run by local authorities from the 1902 Education Act onwards divided from the interwar years into infants (to seven), junior (to eleven) and senior elementary schools (to fourteen), with an increasing distinction between the first two (primary schools) and secondary schools –terminology which remained even as the system changed radically. Unlike middle-class schools they were mixed gender. The spectator sport of the working-class male was football – not rugby or cricket – a game successfully implanted by the British working class all over the world, with, oddly, the exception of the former British empire. In terms of intellectual life the stark truth was that the working class did not have very much it could call its own. <br/>Yet this working class developed an unusually strong trade union movement, both for the skilled and the unskilled, especially for men. These trade unions created a political party itself steeped in the world of work which emerged as a national party in the interwar years. In the 1920s, and especially from 1945, it gave the House of Commons a significant number of working-class members and formed a majority government. In 1950 the United Kingdom still had one of the very largest working-class movements in the capitalist world, and certainly the most organized. By telling the story of the Labour Party as part of the story of labour, we can see that its power rested on a quite different basis from that of the other important parties. It was always subservient or in opposition to greater political powers. The Labour Party was in office from time to time; the industrial, military, financial and professional arms of the Liberal and Conservative parties were in power all of the time. Labour’s primary task was to get workers,specifically trade unionists, into local government, and into the House of Commons. It was not a party with a complete alternative set of policies and prescriptions, for example in foreign affairs and military strategy.
<span class="quote">>The Communist Party fights for the national independence and the true national interests of the British people and of all the peoples of the British Empire.</span><br/><span class="quote">><strong>The subjection of Britain to American imperialism is a betrayal of the British people</strong> in the interests of big business and of those who are planning a new world war. In the economic sphere, <strong>Britain has been turned into a satellite of America, and an American monopolist placed in supreme command of Britain’s industry</strong> and American economic controllers and supervisors established in London and reporting to Washington. <strong>American big business controls our financial policy, imposes trade restrictions and bans, openly dictates policy, as in the case of devaluation, and is extending the network of American financial penetration and control over British industry.</strong> In the military sphere, Britain has been turned into an American base, and the American army of occupation is growing. The new arms programme was decided on American instructions, and under the Atlantic Pact, Britain’s armed forces have been placed under an American Supreme Commander. <strong>The British Empire, similarly, has been subjected to increasing American financial and military penetration.</strong></span><br/><span class="quote">>For the first time in its history, our country has lost its independence and freedom of action in its foreign, economic and military policy to a foreign power—the United Slates of America.</span><br/>…<br/><span class="quote">> Within the British Isles, the enforced partition of Ireland and the maintenance of British troops in Northern Ireland must be ended, to enable Irish national unity to be realised. <strong>There must be full recognition of the national claims of the Scottish and Welsh peoples, to be settled according to the wishes of these peoples.</strong> </span><br/><br/>wonder what Leninhat thinks of the British Road to Socialism.
BBC studios STORMED by anti-Covid passport protesters, VIDEO shows clashes with police amid attempted break-in<br/><a href="
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https://www.rt.com/uk/531537-bbc-studios-stormed-covid-protesters/</a><a onclick="highlightReply('441055', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#441055">>>441055</a><br/>Be facetious and dismissive as much as you like <br/>The problem was openly discussed by Stalin in March 1939 (6 months before Molotov-Ribbentrop pact) <br/>He openly points out that the "democracies" were more powerful than the fascists and that they were deliberately ceding territory to the Nazis under "appeasement" for hope of a war with the Soviet Union <br/><br/>Yet 6 months later Britain and France are at war with Nazi Germany, the cucks <br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/>< Here is a list of the most important events during the period under review which mark the beginning of the new imperialist war. In 1935 Italy attacked and seized Abyssinia. In the summer of 1936 Germany and Italy organized military intervention in Spain, Germany entrenching herself in the north of Spain and in Spanish Morocco, and Italy in the south of Spain and in the Balearic Islands. Having seized Manchuria, Japan in 1937 invaded North and Central China, occupied Peking, Tientsin and Shanghai and began to oust her foreign competitors from the occupied zone. In the beginning of 1938 Germany seized Austria, and in the autumn of 1938 the Sudeten region of Czechoslovakia. At the end of 1938 Japan seized Canton, and at the beginning of 1939 the Island of Hainan.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Thus the war, which has stolen so imperceptibly upon the nations, has drawn over five hundred million people into its orbit and has extended its sphere of action over a vast territory, stretching from Tientsin, Shanghai and Canton, through Abyssinia, to Gibraltar.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><After the first imperialist war the victor states, primarily Britain, France and the United States, had set up a new regime in the relations between countries, the post-war regime of peace. The main props of this regime were the Nine-Power Pact in the Far East, and the Versailles Treaty and a number of other treaties in Europe. The League of Nations was set up to regulate relations between countries within the framework of this regime, on the basis of a united front of states, of collective defence of the security of states. However, three aggressive states, and the new imperialist war launched by them, have upset the entire system of this post-war peace regime. Japan tore up the Nine-Power Pact, and Germany and Italy the Versailles Treaty. In order to have their hands free, these three states withdrew from the League of Nations.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><The new imperialist war became a fact.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><It is not so easy in our day to suddenly break loose and plunge straight into war without regard for treaties of any kind or for public opinion. Bourgeois politicians know this very well. So do the fascist rulers. That is why the fascist rulers decided, before plunging into war, to frame public opinion to suit their ends, that is, to mislead it, to deceive it.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><A military bloc of Germany and Italy against the interests of England and France in Europe? Bless us, do you call that a bloc? "We" have no military bloc. All "we" have is an innocuous "Berlin-Rome axis"; that is, just a geometrical equation for an axis. (Laughter.)</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><A military bloc of Germany, Italy and Japan against the interests of the United States, Great Britain and France in the Far East? Nothing of the kind. "We" have no military bloc. All "we" have is an innocuous "Berlin-Rome-Tokyo triangle"; that is, a slight penchant for geometry. (General laughter.)</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><A war against the interests of England, France, the United States? Nonsense! "We" are waging war on the Comintern, not on these states. If you don't believe it, read the "anti-Comintern pact" concluded between Italy, Germany and Japan.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><That is how Messieurs the aggressors thought of framing public opinion, although it was not hard to see how preposterous this whole clumsy game of camouflage was; for it is ridiculous to look for Comintern "hotbeds" in the deserts of Mongolia, in the mountains of Abyssinia, or in the wilds of Spanish Morocco. (Laughter.)</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><But war is inexorable. It cannot be hidden under any guise. For no "axes," "triangles" or "anti-Comintern pacts" can hide the fact that in this period Japan has seized a vast stretch of territory in China, that Italy has seized Abyssinia, that Germany has seized Austria and the Sudeten region, that Germany and Italy together have seized Spain – and all this in defiance of the interests of the non-aggressive states. The war remains a war; the military bloc of aggressors remains a military bloc; and the aggressors remain aggressors.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><It is a distinguishing feature of the new imperialist war that it has not yet become universal, a world war. The war is being waged by aggressor states, who in every way infringe upon the interests of the non-aggressive states, primarily England, France and the U.S.A., while the latter draw back and retreat, making concession after concession to the aggressors.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Thus we are witnessing an open redivision of the world and spheres of influence at the expense of the non-aggressive states, without the least attempt at resistance, and even with a certain amount of connivance, on the part of the latter.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Incredible, but true.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><To what are we to attribute this one-sided and strange character of the new imperialist war?</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><How is it that the non-aggressive countries, which possess such vast opportunities, have so easily, and without any resistance, abandoned their positions and their obligations to please the aggressors?</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Is it to be attributed to the weakness of the nonaggressive states? Of course not. Combined, the nonaggressive, democratic states are unquestionably stronger than the fascist states, both economically and in the military sense.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><To what then are we to attribute the systematic concessions made by these states to the aggressors?</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><It might be attributed, for example, to the fear that a revolution might break out if the non-aggressive states were to go to war and the war were to assume world – wide proportions. The bourgeois politicians know, of course, that the first imperialist world war led to the victory of the revolution in one of the largest countries. They are afraid that the second imperialist world war may also lead to the victory of the revolution in one or several countries.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><But at present this is not the sole or even the chief reason. The chief reason is that the majority of the non-aggressive countries, particularly England and France, have rejected the policy of collective security, the policy of collective resistance to the aggressors, and have taken up a position of nonintervention, a position of "neutrality."</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Formally speaking, the policy of non-intervention might be defined as follows: "Let each country defend itself from the aggressors as it likes and as best it can. That is not our affair. We shall trade both with the aggressors and with their victims." But actually speaking, the policy of non-intervention means conniving at aggression, giving free rein to war, and, consequently, transforming the war into a world war. The policy of non-intervention reveals an eagerness, a desire, not to hinder the aggressors in their nefarious work: not to hinder Japan, say, from embroiling herself in a war with China, or, better still, with the Soviet Union: to allow all the belligerents to sink deeply into the mire of war, to encourage them surreptitiously in this, to allow them to weaken and exhaust one another; and then, when they have become weak enough, to appear on the scene with fresh strength, to appear, of course, "in the interests of peace," and to dictate conditions to the enfeebled belligerents.</span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Cheap and easy! </span><br/>J V Stalin, Report on the Work of the Central Committee to the Eighteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.) , (Delivered March 10, 1939.) <a href="https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/Stalin/18report.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://revolutionarydemocracy.org/Stalin/18report.htm</a> <a onclick="highlightReply('441153', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#441153">>>441153</a><br/><span class="quote">>I like this theory but shouldn't the USSR have don't better against operation barbarossa? Or is the idea that UK/France did much worse than expected</span><br/>They did do well against Barborossa. The disgusting French surrendered in 6 weeks. Denmark surrendered in an a couple of hours. The Dutch were already rounding up jews before the Nazis arrived<br/><br/>There's not really a way to defend Russia geopolitically(given the huge open steppe on the European border). Russia has always essentially been forced to draw an enemy into Russia then counter-attack it <br/><br/>What happened to Hitler happened to Napolean as well. Except Napolean even took Moscow before the counter attack began<br/><br/>Modern bourgeois historians have recently "discovered" this<br/><span class="orangeQuote"><Stephen Kotkin: The German histography of the last 15 years has now confirmed the following: The "failed Soviet Counter offensives" were in someway successful. The things Stalin is blamed for at the beginning of the war. The counter offensives that looked like suicide missions that ended in catastrophe time after time. The German documents now available now shows that this lunatic counter offensives massively degraded the German Werhmacht army fighting capabilities. All the lost battles and encirclements and this lunatic counter-offensive stuff massively degraded the Werhmacht German fighting capabilities and so all of these lost battles and all of these you must be kidding counter-offensives were critical in slowing the German advance but especially degrading its offensive capability even more quickly. Whenever an army moves it loses a great deal of its offensive capability in winning it doesn't have the same offensive capability it had at the start but the Soviets degraded the Germans even more than we understood previously. So what Stalin is blamed for in much of the literature which then gives him credit for learning now - on the German side he's actually being given a kind of grudging credit for the way they fought the war. The consequences for the German army of the failed counter offenses by the Soviet Union were very far-reaching in fact much of the Werhmacht as I said earlier was destroyed in the Soviet Union during the first year of fighting </span><br/><span class="orangeQuote"><the lunacy of Stalin's early war command which was shared by his upper officer corps might actually have been crucial for blunting the germans and ultimately for the soviet victory overall</span><br/><br/><a href="https://youtu.be/1NV-hq2akCQ?t=1725" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/1NV-hq2akCQ?t=1725</a><br/><br/>And even back in the 70s when the (bourgeois) "consensus" was that the Soviets scuppered the beginning of the war they were still forced to admit the following the Soviets undertook the most outstanding campaigns in military history ever<br/><span class="orangeQuote"><br/><Military experts have criticized his direct control over and participation in military matters and have condemned many of his decisions, especially in i941-42. One foreign expert, not notably sympathetic to Stalin as a man, has perhaps given the fairest judg· ment: If he is to bear the blame for the first two years of war, he must be allowed the credit for the amazing successes of 1944, the annus mirabilis, when whole German army groups were virtually obliterated with lightning blows in Belorussia, Galicia, Romania, and the Baltic, in battles fought not in the wintry steppes, but in midsummer in Central Europe. Some of these victories must be reckoned among the most outstanding in the world's military history.4</span><br/>Iain Grey, Stalin: Man Of History, p.424 <a onclick="highlightReply('441832', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#441832">>>441832</a><br/>one of the most based, underrated figures in recent British history. that he did not become prime minister is a marker of the fact that we are living in the hell timeline, and that we are living in a timeline where Bennites, Brownites and Blairites still tentatively exist but there is no Shore faction is one demonstration that Labour is a hopeless case, the whole story both tragedy and farce.<br/>calling him a moderate is rather odd, though. he was shadow chancellor to Michael Foot and stood in opposition to EEC membership and was one of the figures most strongly opposed to EEC membership (against which he campaigned with Benn). my recollection is that during the IMF crisis he first put forward an alternative to both Benn's import controls strategy and Callaghan/Healey's preference for the loan, only to then break for Benn's option. (He also advocated for the right to buy council houses, with the crucial proviso the money be used to build more, and was one of the tiny numbers of people in Labour to actually understand economics.) less a moderate, more an independent mind. <br/> <br/>have been amused by this quote in the recent context of pro-remain "voted leave for a blue passport" jibes though:<br/><span class="quote">>We don't have to have these passports, do we? Surely we can keep our British ones if we want. … My children and grandchildren forced to abandon the old British passport! </span><br/><span class="quote">>Remarks to the Cabinet on the new maroon-coloured EEC passports, as recorded in Tony Benn's diary </span>
Just spent multiple days wondering why the thread was so quiet but turned out I had to refresh because the url changed. <br/><br/>Bizarre shooting though, just going through a cul-de-sac. <br/><br/>Here's his youtube channel<br/><br/><a href="
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChDOXWY6os8cslwzrndcSgw/videos</a><a onclick="highlightReply('443144', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443144">>>443144</a><br/><span class="quote">>how did someone so obviously deranged manage to convince the police to let him have that kind of gun? </span><br/>Probably was able to hide it well from whoever was doing the inspection, or didn't go down the incel rabbit hole until after he got the shotguns, just a question of when he got them tbh<br/><span class="quote"><br/>>Usually these mass killers socials are nuked within hours.</span><br/>Isn't that usually after said mass killers go on killing, I mean fuck, the uygha's YouTube channel was deleted shortly after <a onclick="highlightReply('442858', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#442858">>>442858</a> posted the link to it, same with his facebook presumably<br/><br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('443125', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443125">>>443125</a><br/><span class="quote">>Chances of the Plymouth affair being a Gladio operation to justify a roundup of all remaining firearms owned by the population?</span><br/>Doubt it, I mean for one thing the UK has been under tory rule for nearly a decade, if it was a Gladio op, it would've been under a Corbyn government
Turns out one of the people killed by the shooter was his mother<br/><br/><a href="
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-58206101</a><a onclick="highlightReply('443421', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443421">>>443421</a><br/>Not an Incel, but spent enough time around r9k and black pilled people to really realise they're not even that misogynistic and honestly, a lot of feelings towards modern dating is entirely justified. You would have to be fucking delusional not to think that young men who aren't 6+/10s aren't playing dating on hard mode, when fucking Tinder and Bumble are the main outlet for dating now and are entirely looks based and literally have a bullshit algorithm that fucking scores you on your attractiveness, making it easier for women to match/see you if you're more attractive.<br/>I do my dating through meeting women in smoking areas of pubs, bars and i'm quite good looking, so I don't have the worst time dating, but I know if I was 20 now (i'm in my 30s) I would be blackpilled as fuck by the state of dating. Tinder and Bumble are legitimately fucking evil and actually flat out discriminate against men. (Pay for gold, you'll notice suddenly hundreds of 5+/10 women suddenly appear back in your swipe list and you are suddenly matching a lot more, this is because Tinder won't even show a male profile to 3 quarters of women without Gold, also Tinder gold for men is like 5x the price than for women.)
<a onclick="highlightReply('443327', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443327">>>443327</a><br/>for most practical purposes "incel", like "furry", is something that you either self-identify as, or are clearly in denial about. what a term originally meant is far less important than how it is generally used.<br/>(though it can be fun to note inversions, like how the term "meritocracy" was coined for an imagined dystopia and then embraced when we actually started to fucking build it.)<br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('443549', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443549">>>443549</a><br/>the second is, in an obnoxiously liberal way, actually quite close to systemic issues.<br/>the internet is the big systemic thing that has given birth to modern inceldom. in a hypothetical world where the only website was tinder so modern dating habits remained intact but everything else was gone, there would be nothing like modern inceldom. (That said, I'm not endorsing their proposed solution.)<br/><br/>then again, for my view inceldom is not primarily a problem of dating: it is one of public perception and public image. that is to say, if the public image presented by movies was that there was nothing wrong with being a virgin, perhaps even that it was respectable and so on, the persecution complex would be far less. rather than being an essential biological need, i submit that inceldom is a problem borne of a society who's propaganda is shitty movies where the nerd who's bullied for playing videogames gets the girl at the end. <span class="spoiler">(as, indeed, is the idea that people engaged in the most profitable hobby on the planet are persecuted.)</span><br/><br/><a onclick="highlightReply('443567', event);" href="/leftypol/res/431196.html#443567">>>443567</a><br/>I submit this to you for devil's advocacy purposes: These cultures are not hyper masculine, they are merely masculine, or male-dominated. <em>Hyper</em>masculinity is a pathology of late capitalism. An attempt to substitute the loss of any genuine social role with excessive performance of an imagined masculinity, with particular emphasis on violence.<br/>Compare and contrast Reality and Hyperreality.
>>478440It seems your friend believes that we can reform our way to socialism, so perhaps show him that reformism will never work out by telling him about Allende and how he got coup'd. Also maybe recommend he reads Luxemburg's Reform or Revolution?
Man it really sucks how the British Left in general are pretty reformist, hell even the CPB are lame reformists iirc
>>478453Kinda hard to explain but one example is accents, like some accents are associated with a certain class. Like RP is seen as a posh upper class accent, and a Cockney or a Northern accent is seen as more working class. Depending on what accent you have you'll get treated differently by different people, e.g Northerners being respected less than people in the south.
Also if you're from (petit-)bourgeois background you're more likely to get better grades, go to better Universities, get better jobs etc than a person from a working class background. People who have gone to a private school make up around 7% of population but make up the majority of politician, judges, CEOs etc
>>478459>the paranoid and incompetent coupists that changed the domain are the spliters.Fuck off sage, we all know you're part of the watermelon clique.
If you want to unify then YOU come back here, this place has much more people and far better moderation.
>>478460>the people who literally split aren’t the splittersThe site was unified, until these people left.
The coup happened because this moderation team refuses to listen to people.
>more people Prove it
>>478463It’s not superior it just has the domain everybody already have saved.
You don’t have a vote here for one thing
>>478465What do you envision the accords will look like?
Zero abused the power he was entrusted with and set the coup in motion.
Zul was going to be kicked out for being a wrecker.
Watermelon is on some heavy larp shit.
Comatoast is high on unionism, similar to you.
>>478468yes
this one is even more retarded than the previous two
>>478466Non of you ever fell out with a friend are something? Are you all this sheltered and young? You can talk shit out.
I know for a fact concessions are willing to be made on either side, there is basically one or two high profile autismos standing in the wag screaming.
>muh zul and zero and coma made me really mad Literally don’t care at all. Why would I? Ending the split is more important
>449336yes I am ignoring "the last 5 years of board history" because it is unrelated to this drama which started because one of them was getting voted off the team
>>478480soy noticer, he's just an ironic nazi they do have a literal "nazbol" on the team however, the mexican havoc guy. He's been ban evading for like 3 years
I see the board fell apart again when I wasn't paying attention. If we end up moving someone point me in the right direction because this is the only thread I care about.
Anyway in other news here's a fun article of Ken Loach dunking on Kier.
https://jacobinmag.com/2021/08/ken-loach-keir-starmer-labour-party-ejection-corbyn>>478516she is liked by rightists and idiots aided by a media consensus that likes the idea of her as a tough but necessary leader (something even labour people let themselves be roped into believing), but there is a substantial part of the country that rightly hates her. if i had to put a figure on it, it would be something like 40% hate, 60% positive+indifferent. but it should be remembered this is now 30 years since she's left office and she's still rightly remembered as the person who destroyed large swathes of the country. despite the best efforts of propagandists, that hasn't gone away.
it's also rather regionally split. if you're in an area that hated her, i.e. pretty much all the areas normal people live, pretty much everyone will hate her except a few contrarian virgins. It's in the godforsaken Tarquinite hellholes that are Conservative safe seats where you find most of those who love her, and the middle-class swing seats where you find the people who don't really care.
on (say) television, i would say my impression is that it's more socially acceptable to speak ill of Thatcher than of Reagan, to the point where on a comedy show or whatever, i would be suspicious of those who passed up an opportunity to say as much. though in part this could be ascribed to the fact that a disproportionate amount of 1980s comedy was about what a cunt she was anyway.
she was given an all but state funeral showing what reverence she's held in by "the establishment" (the last PM to get a state funeral was Churchill, and before him I believe it was only offered to Disraeli. most PMs have private funerals.), but perhaps you can read a lot about the animosity she inspires from the fact that after dithering to and fro, they decided
not to make it an official state funeral. (instead a "ceremonial" funeral with military honours… "in accordance with her own wishes")
nevertheless in official circles there's a sort of tedious consensus that "something had to be done", that "we couldn't have kept going on like this", and that essentially she did what needed to be done - if perhaps in a way that could have been kinder and so on - the thing that even Thatcher-haters lack is full comprehension of just how bad she was on the national level, usually because they're blinded by how badly she fucked their own area. for example: it's well known she fucked the miners, but this gets simplified into a debate between "keep mining" and "scrap mining", tipping the scales towards Thatcher if you accept that the industry was uneconomical. the reality is that she shuttered the industry quickly essentially to fuck the miners, to cause human misery, when it wouldn't have cost a single penny more to wind the industry down slowly and give mining communities a chance to diversify their economies. that she squandered the oil wealth is sometimes known (mostly by Scots who feel entitled to it), but that a secondary effect of that squandering was to further destroy the competitiveness of British industry - industry she theoretically wanted to unleash! - by driving up the value of the pound to unsustainable levels, that tends to be forgotten. unfortunately, then, even if the correct anti-Thatcher line wins out (and it has surely won itself a place in history, such that we can't retcon away how many hated her as we did with, say, Churchill.) it will probably be one that comes from a sort of humanist, sort of "hurt unemployed miner" kind of place, rather than a rigorous historical takedown of the worst prime minister in British history.
tl;dr people were genuinely celebrating, a lot of people do really hate her, but not everyone. as a rule of thumb, look at an election map from the 1980s: if the area is red, they were probably partying, while if it's blue it's probably full of the kind of vermin who have a soft spot for her.
>>478517unspeakably based
>>478523I work as PMC for a pretty big food company, this does not shock me one bit.
They are making money like crazy and have been all throughout the pandemic, all the salary staff get huge bonuses, everyone complains about how hard it is to find people, yet no-one thinks for a second of raising wages or giving benefits.
The 'solution' they've come up with is to set up a recruiting centre in Poland and ship people over. Added benefit of reducing already low union penetration. The place is so shit to work at that hardly anyone stays long enough to care about the union, they all go and work at fucking amazon for the same pay, that's how bad it is.
>>478532been getting them vibes myself, first nandoes, now Maccy dees.. whats next? Greggs? Surely not.
Also I run a cafe and its been fucking hard to get stuff from suppliers, chicken and avocado specifically. Other things also. So have first hand experience
>>478533shut the fuck up, you are almost definitely in other threads licking Xis anus hole, food supply chain break down is a big deal
>>478534Do you think there will be a total food supply breakdown or temporary shortages on specific goods. I’m not concerned about temporary shortages. I’ve got canned mackerel for monthes.
Also don’t know what your talking about with xi. I’ve nearly posted the last week. Boards been too slow to bother.
>>478535You have to ask yourself how difficult is it really to get chicken and stuff. The problem is not so much temporary shortages, but the reason behind this, which is new, necessarily more stringent import processes, which are having teething problems atm, but the new systems coming into place will inevitably mean price hikes, as usual, with no corresponding rice in wages. A further squeeze on an already fucked economy.
Not only will that price change effect the consumer, but also businesses already fucked by covid will struggle to stay open, there will be further loss of jobs and further downward pressure on wages
>>478535I meant you don’t get to poo poo McDonald’s if you support McXis Mc socialism
>>478536Anglo and Chinese both building Zion. You’re probably more white and western than I am Gazi
>>478538Nah I like McDonald’s. Some good memories of banana milkhakes after a a 12 hour shift :)
>>478537This is somewhat true, however I doubt this will be a long term issue. I think these are temporary bottlenecks that will be worked out over coming monthes. But hey I don’t manage imports
>>478551Retarded, inflation means every goverment year is spending is dah highest Ever. You measure it as a percentage of gdp or overall economic activity.
Which is approaching an all time low despite sluggish gdp growth.
>>478547>>478546Lol, destruction of the productive forces is a main focus of fascism. Dutt wrote about this decades ago. If they wanted people buying stuff they wouldn't have shut down all small businesses while keeping giant multinational corporations open lol.
The British bourg got a black eye from the vote to leave the EU cartel which they still haven't forgotten or given up hopes of overturning it.
>>478556>Was surprised cause all the institutional left people I’ve heard said she had no chance and was gonna split the vote.Yeah that's because the partisans were supporting Bennett until he bowed out for Turner. There was a fear that eternal blairite wrecker Coyne would win but honestly: Graham was the best candidate from the start.
>Anyone know any more detail on her besides being supposedly the most radical choice?Her manifesto is here, it's p based:
https://twitter.com/josiahmortimer/status/1430538717496815624 >>478558British trade unions negotiate deals for their workers on a firm-by-firm basis: meaning they have more direct leveraging but it only covers those workers. Sectoral bargaining is several union branches saying to all the company in an industry "You have to meet these requirements across the board": it allows for less flexibility
but it covers all the workers at the same standard, even those who aren't unionised or in workplaces that do not have a union. In a period of lower union density, it is immensely powerful@ France has the same system and they get far higher protections for a union density 50% that of the UK's.
>>478562Imagine how crazy it would be if Corbyn was reinforcing liberal-democratic forces with special forces while America pulled out, enabling the reactionary ultras.
Total bizarro world.
>>478530Yeah I'm thinking of joining YCL/CPB as well, despite them having many issues they are the largest and most relevent Communist org in the UK. I still can't believe the biggest communist org in the UK only has around 1,100 members when small minor commie parties in Italy have around 20,000 members.
I wonder why the UK's Communist scene is much smaller than Continental Europe's, guessing its because Labour sucks up all the people who would potentially join a Communist party. Since we have a lot of people wasting their time with the sisyphean task of reforming Labour into becoming socialists.
ACORN is another good org that you should join too.
>>478568> I wonder why the UK's Communist scene is much smaller than Continental Europe's, guessing its because Labour sucks up all the people who would potentially join a Communist party.It’s this plus lack of PR , people who would become communists elsewhere get swallowed up into the “labour ideology”.
Also would concur with this post , heard very little as about CPB aside from it being inactive/dull.
Acorn is decent if you have it in local area.
>>478574then why did you post in the IRC chat "We, the administration of leftypol fully endorse >>464379 and in the case this is taken to court based on actions caused by one of our members we accept full responsibility. This is absolutely real and any attempt to argue that it's just a shitpost in court is a lie that should be held with contempt."
like I don't endorse it either just seems like a strange dichotomy
(oh shit) >>464379get better friends
play indie games that run on an old potato.
there's tons of free stuff like doom wads in an emulator with the brutal doom plugin, that's a real treat, you shouldn't miss out.
Learn Linux or programming, that doesn't need much computing grunt, and it's a lot more rewarding, with a high that lasts much longer than the gaming high, which will improve your mood more durably and make you less suicidal in general.
You can also read a book or listen to audio books, try librivox for example this audiobook:
https://librivox.org/the-colors-of-space-by-marion-zimmer-bradley-2/if you want to feel better like 20 minutes from now try playing some tetris
to find out why i'm suggesting tetris listen to this
https://soundcloud.com/theanthropocenereviewed/episode-10-tetris-and-the-seed-potatoes-of-leningradanother way to feel better 20 minutes from now is if you lie on the floor on your back with bend up knees and do deep breathing, you'll be full of oxygen and that will give you a high that will improve you mood for a while.
>>464379>>478575Anyone got any spare PC parts lying around?
I sold all mine for the cash unfortunately. Had a look and you can get some decent prebulits for the sub £450 mark that could run warzone on low settings. You could even build your own for cheaper using second hand parts.
Also an anon in /b/ posted this list of torrents for low requirement games:
https://steamunlocked.net/victoria-2-free-download/ (Vicky 2)
https://tlauncher.org/en/ (Minecraft, third party launcher)
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ (Dwarf Fortress)
https://fractalsoftworks.com/ (Starsector)
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=12973 (Hideous destructor)
https://igg-games.com/barotrauma-712721899-free-download.html (Barotrauma)
https://steamunlocked.net/worms-armageddon-free-pc-download/ (Worms Armageddon)
Vicky 2 and Minecraft are great for finding new friends while playing the online.
I move from my country to an english speaking country ( Great Britain ) last year in order to study a graduate degree. Sorry for my english, I am ESL.
I have to take elective courses outside of my degree. In my university with zoom call I got in trouble. I call person a "he" and they get offended. Last year I call this person a "he" and no problem. I look up this person, male name and look male. I get confused and say "but he refer to male, this person male", people get mad. I apologise. Few week later, I accidentally say "that person is a he". I apologise, did not mean to offend.
Last week I say accidentally "it" about this person. Person starts crying on zoom call. Emailing me now that I need to get expelled and about contacting immigration . Other people too on twitter talking about me, calling me bigot and transphobic. They say I do not try and am doing it on purpose. I try very hard to remember english grammar, but I am doing engineering and study hard maths. I am tired a lot of time and trying to remember english grammar become hard. Thinking of this makes me upset, I try very hard. Its an accident, I not do this on purpose. This is so dumb to me, I do not care enough about this person life to do on purpose. I have better thing to do.
I know my grammar in english is not the best. I speak three languages other than english. Most of my english skill is from media, but I can pronounce things OK. In my native language past tense is not always used. Sometimes this confuse me in english. I have a problem with the pronouns of english, because in my native language when you speak there is no difference between male and female. Sometime by accident I might mix "she", "he" and "it".
I do not know what to do. I am mad and upset, I try very hard and they try to expel me now because I call someone a "he". I do not want to fight people, I just want to do my study in peace. I am now scared to go on zoom because of these people.
>>478597Feels pretty good knowing you probably physically best everybody in this picture
except maybe the handsome one with his hand on Cash Thicckar Jones lives a cushy journo life he should hit the gym plenty time.
Also
>200 military veterans planned to do attacks on vaccine centres Soz for the daily fail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9936399/Secret-army-200-weapons-obsessed-ex-soldiers-plotting-attacks-vaccine-centres.html >>478606either a glowie false flag or a bunch of LARPing boomers. Noticed in the article there was pics of one of them with a legally owned rifle. After what happened in Plymouth I'm wondering how long it will be until the government cracks down on gun owners.
Why do these retards care so much about the vaxx anyway, just don't get it uygha
>>478608It's a fucking amazing development but want to see some evidence of it happening first, don't want to get too excited just yet. Sorry for being such a pessimist I've just been disappointed so many times at this point.
>>478609>either a glowie false flag Knowing MI5, I would 200% bet this. It is what they have been doing with islamists for
decades, it's basically the american strat but they don't need to get them anywhere near doing actual terrorism to arrest them, so they just found a group, get them to say they will do terrorism, and then they can arrest them. Still, the fact that these people would be
willing to do this should be immensely worrying to all.
>>478609>either a glowie false flag or a bunch of LARPing boomers.Or both
>After what happened in Plymouth I'm wondering how long it will be until the government cracks down on gun owners.ngl, kinda doubt it, only crack downs I'm aware of was after Dunblane, and last year when MARS rifles were banned
>>478608Yes it’s based AF sorry got caught up ogling hash smokar
>>478609Yeh it’s 100% glow “secret command” I.e mi5, MI6 and 5 pulled a lot of this shit during the troubles
>>478605Basically, the foundation of her left economics is expressed primarily through the promotion of co-ops. (She is otherwise a generally good kenseyian)
I think co-ops are both a dead end and not particularly useful to any left project. It doesn't transform or alter market relations to production. So called "workplace democratisiation" matter little when you must still awnser to the demands of the market. In some way its worse as it naturalizes the interest of the capitalist into all members of the company. For example this Pencil factory has to increase production to make profit(which in a co-op is reflected in the workers wage.) Therefore the workers co-op comes together for various proposals to increase production (Could be longer hours, higher hourly work goals, more brutal conditions) Now instead of a boss putting these on you its enforced by other workers within the company. This is far worse as it creates a panoticon like condition within the workplace, generates interpersonal issues, prevents solidarity between workers.
Also I think people in pmc carears overestimate the desire for workplace democracy. Like I don't wanna have a democratic contest to decide my manager or shifts or how the company works. Don't want any more meetings or things to worry about.
Just pay me more and let me fuck off. Unions are a much better veichal for this than co-ops. Also unions on industry levels prevent worker competition between firms. Where as co-ops promote workers fighting between firms for conditions etc.
>>478617> Wtf? The whole point of socialism is to tell your boss to fuck offIt’s more about telling the owner to fuck off. There will always be a manager etc
>Coops may have these problems, but that only because they are still under capitalisWhich is what all the co-op wankers suggest. If you wanna do socalist mmm and then build up co-ops under that model be my guest. But under capitalism they serve little purpose but to misitify capital relations and fail to amend most of capitals core problems.
> That doesn’t mean workers aren’t better off in coop than a company.I would suggest frequently they are as explained above. Even if there is some marginal gain its incidental to the co~op model and would be better served by mass unionisation.
>>478618Does your brain work in opposite land? How does providing an alternative way to run a business 'misitify capital relations'? Nor are coops ever intended to amend captialism. You are letting perfect be the enemy of good.
>Even if there is some marginal gain its incidental to the co~op model and would be better served by mass unionisation.Not an either-or situation. You can unionize all the workplaces you want, but sooner or latter you will cross the bridge and replaces the owners will something to reach socialism, whether it be the state (nationalization), coops or a combination of both models.
>>478618surely co-ops clarify capital relations rather than mystifying them, insofar as they make clear that the enemy is an abstract system rather than a human oppressor. (even if it's more fun and satisfying to have a human face to put on the system and to threaten to smash in, it also carries the risk of imagining that if only the
right human was in the boss's seat, everything would be fine.)
also in an idle way i imagine that a 100% co-operative economy could shift from typical market relations in interesting ways by having co-ops bartering between one another without consideration of price. (i.e. why have the dairy co-op and the crisps co-op both sell 100% of their stuff to the supermarket co-ops at variable price when each one could send a % of their production to one another, since the employees of each regularly buy crisps and dairy anyway. in the right circumstances, say inflationary times, this could provide more stability for members of certain co-ops than relying on money-market operations.)
>>478615The hospitality industry would benefit hugely from co-operatives.
If you don’t like work place democracy it’s prob cos you’ve never had a job that would benefit cos you’ve never had a job
>>478618>there will always be a manager Yes, because most places need managers and managers are workers.
>co-ops mystify relations No they don’t, they make it very clear as the workers and the market are no longer mediated by the boss
>>478628rest in power comrade o7
he created more civil unrest than any of us ever will
>>478635labour blew all their cash-in-hand settling a defamation lawsuit (which they probably could've won) at the same time as a lot of people quit their memberships or were purged, in both cases due to the leadership moving to the right (to the extent of purging the previous, left-wing leader Jeremy Corbyn). the result of this stupidity has been to slash the party's income. (once in a stronger position than that of the Conservatives, due to a massive membership.)
with no money and declining income the party needs to cut costs to not go broke.* as a result they want like 1/4 of their workforce to take voluntary redundancy. (i.e. step down)
that's incredibly unlikely because holy shit 1/4 of the entire workforce, which means the party might have to try and fire people, which obviously unions don't want and the employees in question don't want.
* theoretically they could boost income instead of cutting costs, either by trying to get more members or by getting big business donors etc, but the leadership is shit and polls poorly so despite moving to the right, what porky is going to waste the money on them?
>>478642If he was an islamist he'd be locked up for life.
I believe in deradicalisation and reform but there is a double standard.
>>4786421. leftist judge: "you WILL read the book"
2. i didn't know judges could do this and now i wish i was a judge
>>478656Brits are honestly so fucking stupid with politics it's hard to tell. It's a country of retards who want every protest in a little cuck zone that nobody hears about and the moment anyone does anything the media pays attention to they find an excuse to piss and moan and say shit like "Oh but will this
really win people over to your cause acting like this? Hmmmmm?" They're obsessed with futile peaceful protests nobody but the protesters are aware of despite the fact they have quite literally fucking never produced any results. Almost everyone "into politics" in this country is a retarded faggot who thinks like this.
>>478656100% a glowie plot
All these predictions of doom from environmentalists continue because of how bourgeois academia works. These people want their grants and their positions and their life long careers.
So they predict since the 70s the world is going to end and when the deadline they pick passes (like the Rockefella sponsored Limits to Growth) they carry on
All XR is is a psyop to neuter potential revolutionaries into doomer mindsets and passivity on the one hand and be an engine for austerity and the tightening of the belts of proletariat on the other (yeah "recycle" and "reuse" shopping bags or go vegan whilst Bezos sends himself into space and his workers piss in bottles cos they're not allowed piss breaks and the US military is the largest polluter on the planet)
>>478670Every school had the
coolest kid in the 2000s that loved donnie darko.
>>478672Then we'll just send him back
:)
>>478693Twinks in the YCL: I sleep
Twinks in the YCL who believe in astrology and Trotskyism: Real shit
>>478701GL is 100% a repressor or has a thing for transhumanists. Only sexual instincts could make a man so obsessed.
>>478702tbf the trans rights movement is also largely made up of a bunch of freaks who don't represent regular trans people at all
>>478705For some reason I read your question as to do with asking about the purpose of the green industry lol, no idea how I got there but I'll try again.
People that rich don't care about "wasting" money, it's pretty much impossible for them to spend enough money in a personal capacity for anything to truly be an observable waste for them, it's like how you technically waste money when you can't be bothered standing around for your 1p change in a shop so it goes in the till/charity box. They are so rich the only issue they have with their money is how to spend it on new investments to accumulate more money. Wearing a new pair of clothes hand selected and fitted by their personal fashion guru and tailor and brought to them every day is as normal to them as you putting on your clothes in the morning. Bezos has a huge mansion in Mayfair he keeps just in case he needs to go to London. The guy has probably forgotten about some of his mansions he has so many.
Remember that a million isn't considered rich nowadays, and even guys with double digit millions are going to be on the poorer end of luxury doomsday bunker buyers. These people can afford bunkers that make the home of the richest guy you know look like a hovel on every continent and then some and have a private jet on standby to get them there, and it is their equivalent of having home insurance.
>>478707I know someone just like this hippie older middle age lady.(crystals Buddhism, David ike etc) Now she does terf stuff all the time. Its just fucking weird like how could you be so obsessed with this tiny issue. Like I barely think about it if ever and these people spend all day on it.
Funny story recently I was out at a small scale play a couple monthes back and they had gender neutral toilets. This bougie middle age women had a go at this massive security guard about if for 20 minutes. Asking him to explain who made this descion, how could women feel sage etc. Like I went for a piss went back to my table and drank a pint and went back , she was still arguing. The security guard was basically just shrugging to everything she said.
>>478716spreading division and offering solutions to problems you pulled out of your ass
that's what grifters do
>>478711>I know someone just like this hippie older middle age lady.(crystals Buddhism, David ike etc) Now she does terf stuff all the time. Its just fucking weird like how could you be so obsessed with this tiny issue. Like I barely think about it if ever and these people spend all day on it.Because it's often steeped in 2nd gen feminist language which is when thru were last active and they consume social media and have encountered the worst of trans people in the world within realms of ideas, relationships, discourse and action who are usually antifeminists and so it reminds them of the old battles.
Probably similar to other 'side' in some of these reasons too.
It's all very silly and misguided; sad when people who are actually intelligent and sincere get dragged in.
>>478720Well you see he's so benevolent, he thinks things like food banks are a waste of time, the
real work is in electoral politics. He's doing these people a favour by sparing them charity and continuing his political endeavours.
>>478720to be fair he walks around with a loaded handgun at all times
(satire satire can't sue me if i say it's satire haha) so maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it yet
>>478739I thought he may be well known on here, seems like the type. I remember reading about the ukranian fascist death squads during the early stages of the war, had no idea that british leftists went over there though. I guess that's some hopium in regards to the british TU movement.
Thanks for the insight anyway.
>>478762trotskyists undermine our lord and saviour the Labour party
(which, much like Jesus, was nailed to a cross and fucking died what seems like 2000 years ago)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/07/nadhim-zahawi-not-comfortable-with-breaking-manifesto-promisesThey are gonna try to push this guy as pm at some point.
He’s one of the most deep state connected fuckers in the entire parliament. Head of le circle(Anglo franc Catholic secret society to oppose communism, ran thatcher campaigns and funded p2 lodge in Italy which commited most of the terror in years of lead). Also supposed connections to war criminals in Kurdistan where he was head of gulf keystone petroleum. Also founder yougov which makes you think. Family where wealthy refugees taken in from Iraq in the 70’s.
>>478771what's his parent's names? All I can find online is that they "fled persecution from Saddam Hussein"
>>478773>trying to score pussy by pretending to be super nice guyhas anyone here ever got laid because of their political opinions? is that a thing?
>>478772>The establishment is a conspiracy theoryAhaha haha
Hohohoho
Heeeheehee
Good one lad, pull the other leg it has bells attached
>>478789A gunman wearing a fedora with a large, course fabric brown bag marked “food bank swag $$$” was caught on CCTV leaving the scene.
Police are appealing for witnesses.
In an unrelated story several cat owners on the same day said they found a mysterious white substance matting the fur of their feline friends
>>478802Hey it's that Nazi guy.
I remember some schizo saying there will be a terror attack at COP26. Big if true.
>>478808I have always seen these conferences as not much more than publicity stunts for world leaders. What the fuck do they even talk about? Is it just the same shit every time but with slightly more urgency as the earth slowly heats up.
>>478809funny
>>478809Big lel.
Also the eternal Sphere has pulled ahead of the fat buffoon in the polls. Oh fuck bros what if he Bidens it. Oh fuck
>>478818I've thought this before but actually its just that libs don't believe in anything and are in a permanent state of confusion.
Take for instance my father, a firm blairite, voted Tory last election "to keep the SNP out" is now a firm Sphereite, was a lib dem in 2010. They vote based on emotional ties in their personal life. For instance, there is somebody in their work they don't like who is very pro SNP, so they vote Tory because FUCK PHIL AND HIS NATIONALISM which is what they think inside, while outside its " i just want to keep us together"
Or the German girl i was once in a squat with, who 10 days in is like "yeh i would vote liberal democrat" like.. WUT.. you are literally inside sleeping in a squat lady, what in fuck are you doing voting liberal democrat
you have to understand, libs aren't consistent, they don't have opinions based in some kind of school of thought, its a minute to minute feeling kind of deal, it really doesn't have to make any coherent sense, because they haven't actually thought about it that hard
>>478828ah man that guys life is mess
he's going to end up topping himself, isn't he
>>478829Nah he's a neoliberal, they don't feel enough to consider killing themselves.
He has a bright future in the private sector where he can impersonate Blair and feel like/pretend to be a real human being for the rest of his life, being congratulated by other soulless husks who studied PPE, business, law, economics or international relations who dream of being like him when they're older.
In the 2040s the eternal Fabian will be attacking the insurgent Labour left and be lauding his name as the hero who saved Labour, much like Kinnock and Blair, as Labour goes into its 37th year in opposition with the full support of Cyber-God Thiel and His Great Immortal Eminence EschaTony Dagoth Blair.
On this very day 20 years ago at approximately this very time, Tony Blair was waking up and preparing for his speech to the TUC advocating British Membership of the Eurozone. A perfect symbol, then, for the defining turning point of his premiership.
Know this: without the events of September 11th 2001, Britain would not have voted to leave the European Union in 2016, and this should be stated more often and remembered as a helpful guide to the bizarre world that is politics. It's not that the speech would've been some epoch-defining thing that totally changed the debate - it's merely symbolic of where the government's focus was. Absent 9/11, Blair would've had much less work to do regarding selling American foreign policy to a skeptical world and public and so would have had the time and political capital to hold the Euro referendum he so badly wanted. Win and the economic consequences would be so unpredictable (almost certainly in the negative, though perhaps in the "so bad as to destroy the single currency" way in luckier outcomes) as to frustrate any attempt at soothsaying, lose and some of the anti-European pressure which had been building since the 1990s would've been released, significantly lowering the chance that you get the UKIP-Success>Cameron-Opportunistic-Hubris axis that lead to the referendum we actually had. Additionally, with one L already on their record the sense that any full membership referendum would be our only real chance to have a say would be diminished, since there would be precedent within the last 20 or so years on the currency question.
>>478294I just arrived in the UK for my university.
Biggest mistake of my life
>>478846ay we're not too fond of you lot either. Bloody international students taking up all the places at universities, paying higher their fees and stopping working class kids from getting in.
ENGLISH universities for
ENGLISH people, that's what I say
>>478848Had a lady say this to me at a protest, the English line and everything, we were in fucking Cardiff.
But seriously the housing being built exclusively for rich international students is an issue in most towns
>>478849>This is how a britbong socialist looks like, shame on youNothing wrong with that tbh
>>478846whats the probelm?
>>478848This but unironically.
FUCK OFF HOME STUDENT SCUM
Football fan avoids jail after being racist online about black England playershttps://www.lbc.co.uk/news/football-fan-racist-social-media-black-england-players-jail-rashford-saka-sancho/
>Scott McCluskey, 43, was handed a 14-week suspended sentence for messages written online about Marcus Rashford, Bukayo Saka and Jadon Sancho.>The defendant wrote: "Well it took three ethnic players to f*** it up. Unlucky England. Sack them three monkeys.">On Wednesday, McCluskey - of Blyth Close, Runcorn - admitted a single charge of sending an offensive or abusive message by a public communication network.>Before being handed his suspended sentence, which will include 30 days of rehabilitation work on racism and diversity, he sat in the dock hunched over with his head in his hands.>McCluskey was also ordered to observe a weekend curfew on Saturdays and Sundays, monitored by an electronic tag, and made to pay £85 costs and a £128 victim surcharge, to be deducted from his benefits.what the fuck is this, britbongs?
>>478865>Unless the guy has a history of racism or far-right activitythe site says he wasn't convicted for anything before
like what the hell is this supposed to mean? he is accused of "abusing" professional fotball players by making a fucking comment on twitter. the poor opressed footbal players. what will they do? buy a new yacht out of depression?
law protecting colored millionaires and billionaires feelings when?
>>478866>the site says he wasn't convicted for anything beforeif that's the case then this is way too harsh, especially as he was given a "light" sentence because of his lack of previous convictions.
I sent some saka getting choked memes to my mates after the match, some of which could be considered racist. ffs this could be me next, I couldn't even afford to pay the fine>law protecting colored millionaires and billionaires feelings when?It is farcical. Porkie commits financial crimes daily on a massive scale, at a huge detriment to the lower classes yet only gets slapped with a small fine once every few years. Meanwhile Scott from Runcorn posts a mean tweet while high and gets all this shit. I hate this fucking country so much.
>>478872I'm up for this. Are we definitely doing it?
I'm not making a burner gmail account and then nobody else turns up
>>478876good idea
well we've got 3 as of now; me, you and the anon who suggested MOATS
>>478894Succ dems gonna succ
Also Bastanis always had this weird predilection to trying to force like this “the left is cool and hot and young” meme. But his uk examples of this are like ash sarkar and Owen Jones. So this is part of that
But in conclusion she does look good in that dress, even if I hate the message/imaging/aoc
>>478894>why's he simpingthey're all just extremely out of touch. I saw agent jones calling her "iconic" on twitter this morning as well
found picrel in the mark fisher facebook group, creepily accurate assessment
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