>Protests started for gas prices raise two days ago
>Rapidly became widespread
>Government resigned few hours ago
<Protestors started storming palaces of government and institutions all around the country
What is your take on this anon?
Will this lead to something positive or is it Ukraine all over?
Also how do you think China and Russia will react to this?
>>489761Who does?
That's why i opened the thread, to gather some infos and comment the events
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1478690672026828804Government building in Aktobe (on the North of the country, near Russia) getting stormed by protestors too.
Shit seems escalating without pause.
Kremlin spox: 'we are convinced that our Kazakh friends can independently solve their internal problems.'
"Nur-Sultan (Kazakh capital) has NOT requested assistance from Moscow in dealing with the current crisis in Kazakhstan - 'it is important that no one interferes from the outside''
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1478691684229779466Getting more and more intricated.
>>489791Without Kazakhstan half of the land part of BRI is fucked up.
Also yeah they share thousands of km of border with Russia and pretty much are in their sphere of influence.
>>489788Very very very few.
This kind of shit never leads to anything good.
Sputnik correspondent taken hostage by protestors in Almaty.
Yeah this shit has written Maidan all over it.
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1478699946450763779>>489793There a chance the Chinese and Russians might need to get involved, then?
Depending on who’s influencing the protests, there may be parties involved that want a chaotic civil war in Kazakhstan
Fuck no matter what the US seems to be the decisive player in world politics, if humanity will always bow before the Yankee then humanity deserves its death
>>489801If shit goes sideways they'll be pretty much forced to get involved.
A NATO-aligned Kazakhstan means complete encirclement for BOTH Russia and China.
>>489785Single most racist movie ever made. Fucking Goebels wouldn't be able to replicate it if he tried. The fact that its beloved by Americanoid liberals is just icing on the cake.
Imagine if you made a movie that starts with a black man living in a black-only community that's located in a trashed out ruined ghetto with trashbags everywhere. Then he introduces his neighbour the cracknsalesman and talks about celebrating the next anual Hotep festival where they will all have KFC and watermelon eating contest, after which they will go on to see who lootsled the most small busnesses, who raped the most white women and who commited most balck-on-black violance over the last year. Now imagine all that I just said, but the racism is now targeted at post-Soviet countries. Now you got Borat.
>>489817This is true, but chilling signs are showing,like for example protesters demanding vague bullshit like "Parliamentarian democracy" which is a telling sign of liberalism among the protestors.
>>489820Any not explicitly socialist uprising is indeed a color revolution, this goes by definition of the term.
>>489832Eh, will, the populace then
Either way this whole fiasco seems glowed to shit
>>489829Yemen, in a sense. (the pro Saudi government did not collapse but has authority only on part of the country).
That's it.
>>489838>>489841For me there's an 80% likelihood of glow. Soon to give definitive verdicts but clues are already there.
>>489826>Any not explicitly socialist uprising is indeed a color revolutionNo a colour revolution is an uprising orchestrated by the CIA or other intelligence agents. The lack of an explicitly socialist character to an uprising doesn't mean it isn't an organic manifestation of a country's contradictions. In fact, revolutions sometimes don't develop a socialist character until after they succeed. Cuba is a good example of this.
>>489829Arab Spring in Egypt. 2019 protests in Lebanon. Bolivia in 2020. Just off the top of my head.
>>489843if the only revolutions that can happen anymore is glow-funded pretend revolutions then we truly live in the darkest timeline
fukuyamachads, i kneel
>>489849Cuba happened in another historical setting.
>Lebanon and BoliviaLebanon protests had some glowie infiltration (and lead overall to nothing of relevance).
Bolivia instead is a good example, but is like the only genuine example of that.
>>489863Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan the worst flags, then Kazakhstan in the middle and Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan on top of my personal ranking.
Also Tajikistan gave us Abdu Rozik vs Hasbullah memes.
PROTESTERS RAIDING A SMALL ARMS SHOP IN CENTRAL ALMATYhttps://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1478694513346588673This is going to end VERY badly.
>>489878Caspian priates complete with Ekranoplan.
>>489881Yep.
>>489758>Also how do you think China and Russia will react to this?neither is gonna support the protests if you ask about this
>Will this lead to something positive or is it Ukraine all over?I doubt that it will be another Maidan or something like this. But I am not sure if communists will play na important role. (and I remind you that Nazarbayev banned the communist party)
>>489906So we're going for full acceleration at this point.
Let's see what will happen.
>>489922Figures dumbass tankoid fucks can’t actually discuss 21st Century politics, all you have is your eternal cope about an event that happened 80 years before you were even born
>>489925Probably just getting mistaken
I know Kazakhstan has the most pro-Soviet population, was wrong about the government
President Tokayev says that he is the chairman of security council from now, instead of Nazarbayev.
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1478713537065369601Nazarbayev was the big boss of Kazakh politics in the last 30 years, so this could be big.
>>489947South Korea Philippines Taiwan to the East, Myanmar and India to the South,
(eventually) Kazakhstan to the West.
Maybe it's not a full encirclement but it'd get pretty fucking close to it in such a scenario.
>>489931>Who is the current administration, what are their views and ideology, what are their allegiances geopolitically, how have they managed the country?Kazakhstan has been ruled by the same political elite since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Nursultan Nazarbayev was in charge until 2019 when he retired, having been a KPSS apprachnik since his youth. He took control of the SSR in 1984. The current president is his handpicked successor Kassym-Jomart Tokayev, he himself has a history in the soviet diplomatic corps, working close in China. Ideologically they are effectively Authoritarian Centrists, and rule a dominant party structure like Russia. Kazakhstan is geopolitically aligned with Russia and to China, although maintains pretty friendly relations with the West.
>Who is the protest movement? What do they want? What is the class character of the movement? What have been their tactics? Who are they aligned with geopolitically?Literally sprung up overnight, caused by a doubling in the cost of fuel (Kazakhstan is a petrostate where much of their welfare can be boiled down to "fuel cheap"). We do not know much else about that apart from the fact they have been willing to be violent in the face of APCs, but also let security forces collaborate with them. The only demand articulated thus far, apart from the reduction of fuel prices, has been the reversion to the 1993 constitution: which would enshrine a parliamentary constitution like the only other liberal democracy in the region, Kyrgyzstan. Apart from that, we know fuckall: all of this has happened literally within 24 hours. The only flags they have, when they have flags, are Kazakh ones.
>>489951Tokayev sounding an awful lot like Tokarev.
Nomen omen?
>>489954I'm almost certain that's Washington's intention striking at central Asia as an attempt to contain China is definitely Washington's strategic plan
I don't see it working out in Washington's favour here though
>>489958Most of those aren't really all that hostile to China even india
>>489980<He's getting ignoredAre you sure about that?
Asking cause it'd be positive if liberal glowies were sidelined, but i have no info on that.
>>489986their plan is probably to let the public figures with ire take the fall, install a new guy a la
>>489951>>489958then let them work up to security-stateism. without a unifying figure to protest against the protests will lose unity, and they can be bargained with or crushed individually.
>>489977Also this
I believe the statement that it is “always darkest before the dawn” is profoundly true in a historical sense
The first communist revolution began amidst the darkness, death, and devastation of the First World War
When the fascists held nearly all of the world in their hands, fighting a war with a different faction of western imperialists, and piercing its way to strike at the very heart of the revolution, when all hope seemed truly lost and the Wehrmacht marched on Moscow after taking almost all of Europe, the working class defeated them and destroyed that iteration of fascism
Even the liberal revolutions occurred in a backdrop of suffering, darkness, and death
The new socialist movement is emerging in a period of 50 years of wage stagnation, with most of mankind having become proletarianized, while the imperialists of the world promise death and suffering beyond imagination, either in the form of a Third World War or the culmination of ecological ruin, the pandemic has only been a preview of the mass death they promise us
And in this darkest night the Sun may rise again
>>489999Belarus shit had way less traction though from the onset, it was just Minsk practically.
>>489995Interesting insight, it could very well be then. It's a risky strategy though, especially if things go sideways.
>>490040This is either the first piercing of the dawn
A reminder that the Sun may rise again
Or the night deepening in its darkness
>>490040You better believe NATO will try to get bases in there. They might even have been trying to precipitate such a situation just for that reason. Which means that any
burger comrades need to actually put up
meaningful resistance when the US starts sabre rattling or mobilizing against whatever ends up happening in Kazakhstan.
these are the two biggest opposition parties and therefore the most important focus of the protests.The second biggest party in kazakhstan, the centre-right democratic party;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak_Zhol_Democratic_PartyThe third largest party, the left-wing peoples' party of kazakhstan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Party_of_KazakhstanThe banned communist party of kazakhstan;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_KazakhstanAltogether, the opposition may prove to be largely communist in nature, because that's how post-soviet states work. Most likely, the west will try its best to support the democratic party, though the left has a chance to take over the protests and gain governmental control too. It's a gamble.
>>490071So far I haven't seen any signs of any of them being involved in the protests, what the fuck do you mean "focus of the protests".
People want cheap gas.
>>490040>If this is socialist orientedm8 i wish i could be as optimistic as you while reading news
pic related was just posted by an ukrainian on kohlchan /int/. all the obvious burger glow uyghurs there are rejoicing about the habbenings in kazakhstan
>>490094I said above in
>>489843 that the likelihood of glow was high indeed anon.
Also the rest of the post tells what would happen in the worst case.
>>489758Idrk about that overall situation, but if such events were real it would have been Langley-orchestrated ones.
What's their goal first place?
>>490160>What's their goal first place?Gas for 50.
As long as this remains their slogan and demand the protest is glow proof, no lib "opposition" can do shit about gas prices
>>490160They don't know
This is like when the dog catches the car it's chasing
Doubt comrade Xi or Putin will be losing any sleep over this other than the human cost to Kazakhs if things keep going out of control
>>490187Isn't that just most of the old fucks in the party? Afaik the youth wing is much more radical
Also I'm pretty sure they got raided so Putin gave up on them
>>490180>glow or legitBro people need to shut the fuck up lol. Let me explain it simply.
>if the democratic party takes over the protests, they are glow<if the peoples party and the banned communist party take over the protests, it is legitSimple as.
>>490180Dubs: its a glow
Trips: its legit
Quads USSR 2.0 confirmed
>>490214this
the protest is in a quantum state right now
it has yet to have the wave function collapsed
and moreover outside "observation" is going to reduce it to more binary results than if allowed to follow an organic progression.
>>490234This
We just cant stop winning glowiebros
>>490251France has no geopolitical importance to us, a key BRI member on the other hand….
We must stop those evil chinks and ruskies from getting too upitty and disrupting profits for us capitalCHADS
>>490280And I only ask because this is an administration Tony Blair did spin for against striking workers being shot dead.
>>490286Okay and what’s livelyhood/ evidence of either
>>490315This
Nothing to see here folks
Just a spontaneous collapse of a state that has absolutely no relation to america's two great competitors
>>675051>NOOOOO I must see le based symbol in a protest or its not worth itLog the fuck off.
>>490320Reminder that the paper tiger of western glowie orgs absolutely shat the bed in the 90's and failed to predict both the Berlin wall falling and the collapse of USSR. You are a fucking retard shadowboxing your own paranoia if you think anything benefiting the US is also caused by the US.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/asia/kazakh-gas-revolt-is-timely-canary-coalmine-2022-01-05/Hrrrm
Interesting thing is we aren't seeing the full court press about ebil ebil dictator must go that's part of the colour revolution playbook
>People protest because of gas prices/inflation<Is this CIA glow op?Pathetic
>>490320Socialism isnt when you support one bourgeois state against another
>>490261Kek
>>490329>9/11Drink your meds, Bush didn't do it. You only believe it because you read he did it 100 times from brainrotten idiots.
>Afghan warWhich was a direct war? And also one that fucking failed horribly. Not adding to my confidance of US deepstate.
>Iraq warAgain, direct fucking war, not colour revolution.
>Collapse of YugoslaviaShit collapsed on it self when they realized IMF isn't their friend and when a retard with a bottle in his ass accidentaly set off the spark. Try harder.
>SyriaDidn't succeed
>VenezuelaAnother failure
>BoliviaEven bigger failure
>>490337You are a hopeless case. 9/11 glows like Fukushima and there is literally heaps of evidence. Would it interest you to know that Nicolas Maduro has what is supposed to be the biggest collection of 9/11 documents on earth, Fidel Castro wrote a 4000 word essay on the subject. But I suppose these people are brain rotten. JFK was killed by dirty commies too eh.
>Afghanistan was a direct war And all the opium just fucking upped smoked itself from a spoon in a back ally, crazy how opium b like that
>Iraq I take it you haven’t been paying attention to Iraq recently?
>Syria a failure for the CIA The Middle East was heavily damaged, Turkey is moving into Syria, and the far right is on the rise due to a migrant crisis so the glows banking arm is left alone.
>Venezuela They have sanctioned the shit out of them and ruined the economy
>Bolivia They still couped the government out of office for a year.
>>490344This
This happening at the most strategically important country at the moment is just a coincidence
Coincidences happen schizo
>>490340My read is burger glowies were just starting to push for a colour revolution since Washington recently opened another front in its war to keep USA as top dog of the world in central Asia , but it went off far sooner than they expected and over the wrong thing
Last thing Washington wants is to remind it's population of is the price of gas and necessities right now
>>490344They're as friendly to US and EU as they are to Russia and China, they love any foreign investor as long as they can invest.
>>490349We barely know how it looks like since the internet is down, show me where did you see it looking like shit.
>>490351Imagine not being a 9/11 truther kek. Yes my man it was just the bad Arabs being bad as usual.
Osama Bin Laden had literally zero connection to the CIA. Not through the Afghan Mujihadeen, the drug trade, his extremely wealthy Saudi family. That is all just fiction.
Not being a 9/11 truther is peak opinion haver mind worms. You simply haven’t looked.
>>490358>My read is burger glowies were just starting to push for a colour revolution since Washington recently opened another front in its war to keep USA as top dog of the world in central Asia Is your read based on evidence or are you blindly speculating like would on a plot of a tv show based on the events of a previous season?
Who's the glowies candidate for regime change? What did they do to prop him up?
>>490374>helps the few socialist nations still aroundhelping UNITA is actually existing internationalism
at last I truly see
>>490400>>490390better post screenshots and download the vids
retards here don't know what Telegram is
>>490385>>490385Eh lad so did Syria didn't stop the United States from trying to topple Assad
Burger glowies colour revolution prep if it existed may have helped the success so far on this by accident, but the last thing burger glowied want is people focused on real shit like the price if gas and living standards
>>490409I know what Telegram is, I simply avoid using it because of OPSEC.
>>490415>I am on mobileBut of course.
They took military equipment and personnel.
Why can’t Burgers do this?
https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1478684871103070208>>490427URGENT, B👀ST:
HERE'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN KAZAKHSTAN AND HOW CAN YOU HELP IT (🧵 1/?)
>>490464>>490467every central asian state is warm to the west to deter annexation by Russia but also totally depend on Russia/China to survive because they have few-to-no practical resources or development
there is a really low chance that they would ever flip to the west/NATO because they simply do not invest in the well-being of these countries while russia and china does. like, the best example is Chile, where America basically demanded them to hand over all their wealth and thank the US for robbing them - of course the west isn't going to make unconditional investments in these countries with no desire for immediate kickbacks, its against their ideology.
>>490497“What a peaceful organization!”
- Noah Smith
>>490539What socialism? Is Russia also socialist in your opinion?
>>490541Not even that.
>>490394Ah. So it’s a similar construction in both languages.
Thank you based Baltic Anon.
>>490555According to anons in the thread,protestors are spouting liberal bullshit like "we want to be like Denmark and Sweden", and on Twitter some "protestors demands" list are circulating which are pure Maidan-tier cringe.
Ofc one could argue that similar things took place even when in France Yellow Vests started protesting, so one should not take for granted that the protestors glow.
Its a concrete possibility though.
>>490559It's a spontaneous unorganized uprising in a country where the communists were thoroughly purged, of course their demands are shit, they have little idea what to do with this.
Unlike Maidan and the likes they're not supporting specific pro-nato politicians or anything of the sort so far.
>>490566Why would they attack US embassies if they don't see it as a source of their problems?
>>490571Anon I understand your reasoning but i see it as too naive.
After all these years I learned that if a protest has no explicitly socialist/anti imperialist goals chance is that it's a glow up.
That said I would LOVE to be proven wrong.
>>490587This says that the people on the streets are proles (mostly), which is good, but it also says that there is no even remotely communist leadership on the horizon.
So it's less pessimist than saying the protests are outright glowed but its not that positive.
>>490588KKE just released a statement:
>The KKE welcomes the large workers' strike mobilizations and popular protests in Kazakhstan against price increases, unemployment, poverty, impoverishment and the other serious social problems that the capitalist system has caused to millions of people, 30 years after the counterrevolutionary overthrow and the dissolution of the USSR.
>We express our solidarity to the thousands of workers who, defying the state of police and repression, took to the streets demanding the improvement of their living standards, expressing their disagreement to the looting of the country's energy wealth by the monopolies.
>We demand:
>- The release of all demonstrators detained by the police, as well as all political prisoners.
>- The repealing of all the anti-union, anti-worker laws that have outlawed hundreds of workers' unions in recent years in an effort to control the trade unionist movement by the government.
>- The legalization of the Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan and the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, whose activities have been banned by the country's authorities."https://www.902.gr/eidisi/politiki/282087/hairetizei-tis-megales-ergatikes-kinitopoiiseis-sto-kazakstan >>490589<KKE supportingI usually trust them as one of the best communist parties in Europe, so maybe I was too hasty in my previous judgement.
We shall wait and see, but big doubts still remain.
>>490591It's not a bad impulse to see chaos in the world and start out with… if not exactly seeing the CIA in the shadows (natural impulse)… investigating what the U.S. angle is on the situation. In Belarus that was clear. But in each particular case that has to then be tested with the reality.
I think we've seen this via-a-vis Ethiopia as well. Some anti-imperialists have been claiming the U.S. is backing Tigray. But the favorable coverage of the Tigrayans in U.S. state media didn't come until after the Ethiopian army was routed. And the Ethiopian government is not good – it's very neoliberal. In that case, it seems like the U.S. tilted a bit to Tigray when it started looking like they might come out the winners. But you can quickly get into this unsophisticated crank outlook about it where the CIA plotted the Tigrayan uprising from the beginning.
>>490593Not sure about that one
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1478801544665522186Almaty airport with that Half-Life 2 vibe rn.
>>490604Starting to believe that there's a possibility things could develop that way.
>>490613so what
when you live in Kazakhstan fucking Denmark must look like a paradise
>>490620Could be… That leans more towards nothingburger+.
The thing is a bit different now though is that in the last few years various theoretically more or less serious marxists groups have grown in Russia, both online and off (Syomin, Zhukov, Yulin, Rudoy, Kagarlitsky, Buzgalin, etc. to name some online examples)
This definitely has weighed on all FSU countries.
>>490622Tbh we should wait, like
>>490620 said this is far more Tahrir Square than Maidan. Most young people with internet access's first impulse during spontaneous protests is "freedom and democracy" - give it some time because between this and Ethiopia the glowies are scrambling to figure out a plan
>>490644 (me)
Sometimes I feel like people here are stuck in the past.
>>490644Why not both?
Take the cosmism pill anon
>>490647I do not care for the plight of the people in ex-communist countries.
t. born in the USSR
>>490601Based
Critical support for global capitalist hegemony in their struggle against crybabies wanting sovereignty
>>490675porky vs porky glowup
Many such cases!
>>490677Hour ago
>rioters storming and looting arms storage Now
>some dudes in a car giving arms awaySurely that's outside influence and not the same people.
>unmarked vehicles So you would consider it legit if the dude didn't
think to remove the number plate and got himself in deep shit?
>>490739Wait what
What happens now
>>490731It just shows how they're disconnected from the ground and trying to get legitimacy trough international support. If those protests keep going we'll see groups organically emerging from this mess
>>490747There are revolts every year in Kazakhstan you imbecile, people are mad since capitalists took power and at their crook leader who stayed in power 30 years with the help of his porky friends
>>490747We'll see anon. Speculation is useless at this point, cause guns have started speaking.
I agree that there's a significative probability of glow involvement but the KKE endorsement got me a bit perplexed overall.
>>490741Gorbachov was just the final manifestation of problems that existed in planned commodity production that occurred since the Kosygin Reforms and other Khrushchev Policy. Khrushchev in turn came to power and was enable to enact his autism through stalinist purges and greater consolidation of power in the bureaucracy and other organs of the state. There were structural factors at play here, but it’s not like the people just wanted the unions dissolved and free-market capitalism to reappear.
Fuck, wouldn’t it be in your self interest for communist, proletarian governments to establish socialist states within the republics? I don’t understand how you can be so dismissive.
>>490757Cringe
>>490761KKE is a very active party internationally, probably the most active in Europe.
>At the Kazakh security council Ministers DID NOT ASSURE loyalty of police and army units.They can only rely on special forces.
https://twitter.com/bordoni_russia/status/1478823636895215620If this is true than this shit could get VERY MUCH out of hand.
>>490776There is videos of protesters taking soldiers/cops hostage. Not surprised
Today (tomorrow for burgers/western euros) will show if this escalates or dies down
>>490772Will trots ever stop seething?
>>490783source?
>>490767>>490783If things are alerady at the level of taking security members hostage and the control of the repressive forces are maimed.
One can expect this to not die down
One of the turning points in the last big protest in Bolivia and Peru (putting aside the glow or not glow origins question) is that once reached that point the ride just accelerates.
>>490794Kek
>>490788 (me)
I was pointing to
>>490776 instead of the cryptoshit
>>490793It came
after the kulaks already fucked everything they could, so yes. "Surely the petite-booj will do right by the people" is a bullshit positions.
>>490815It has. You don’t understand what socialism is.
>>490816The EU is fascist but occasionally they will help out socialist revolutions like the one in Kazakhstan right now.
>>490818North Korea?
>>490817Yes I blame them. Just because the situation is bad does not mean blowing shit up will improve things. In fact we've seen plenty of examples to the contrary - Syria, Libya, Ukraine. All "legitimate grievances" but on the other end is only an even worse situation, by orders of magnitude.
Fuck your romantic visions of protests and liberal revolutions.
>>490838>Lenin and Stalin were petite bourgeoisLmfao. Stalin's parents were former serfs. Lenin came from a serf family.
>loved associating with creeps like Beriaunproven bullshit
>>675975Stalin quite literally warned others in his government to keep their daughters away from Beria. Why do you think that is?
>>490845Lenin, like Trotsky, came from a rich background. Holy fuck you’re dumb
>>490848>Stalin quite literally warned others in his government to keep their daughters away from Beria. Why do you think that is?The only source for this comes from a known anticommunist propagandist who has made up tons of shit, lol.
>Lenin, like Trotsky, came from a rich background. Holy fuck you’re dumbLenin's family from his father's side was a literal serf family. That his father was able to become richer doesn't change this. Learn your history, retard.
>>675997Bukharin and Trotsky were innocent, actually.
>>490855Stalin was from a rich family too.
>>490853Троцкий был социалистичнее Ленина или Сталина, тупица
>>490858>The only source for this comes from a known anticommunist propagandist who has made up tons of shit, lol.This is literally false.
>>490858>Lenin's family from his father's side was a literal serf family. That his father was able to become richer doesn't change this. Learn your history, retard.His mother was from a rich merchant family.
>>490870You can trust anyone reporting on actions being taken. (usually)
The "why" you can deduce yourself, unless you're bad at historical materialism and geopolitics.
>>490873Right, murdering the workers who held off the whites and who were building communism and willing to work with the reds is a good thing. Of course.
You're more delusional than a liberal.
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