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 No.497050[View All]

This thread is for:

EVERYTHING DELEUZE & GAUTTARI

Post PDFs, reading material, memes, EVERYTHING! As long as it's D&G related!

Have you read any D&G?
Has he BTFOd Lacanians for ever and ever?

What the fuck is a body without organs? Do catboys have feline organs????

How compatible is it with Marxism Leninism?

Where to start?
Start here! https://youtube.com/watch?v=GS35vUMhww4
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 No.497168

>>497167
>the vast majority of the comments are from rightoid imbeciles blathering on about Jews/commies/pedophiles/transgender/"anti-nomians."
Welcome to 4chins

 No.497169

>>497159
/leftypol/ will become a Bataillean board.

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>>497169
we already live in a bataillean world

 No.497171

>>497121
>he let the vampires steal his soul
breh, you had only just got it back

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>>497156
Holy shit i think i know what you're talking about .
Can you explain your experience a bit more i want to see if i experienced tha same ething?

 No.497174

>>497135
What do you need to read to be able to understand this shit tho?
Also I've heard people say this is compatible with Marx and the stuff about deteritorialization and the plane of immanence reminds kind of reminds of dialectal and metaphysical ways of thinking but like, more refined . Does it have any connection or am i just a brainlet?

 No.497175

>>497174
think of marx's "everything solid melts into air" when looking at capitalist forms of deterritorialization and think of capital's reactionary symptoms in people like thatcher and regan when understanding reterritorialization. capitalism performs both and it needs both because of this self-limiting factor as part of it's mode of production - capitalism commoditises all things except it's conditions of substitution - but to "mad black deleuzeans" like nick land capitalism is the only way you get the liberating current of deterritorialization, and to contemporary leftists like todd mcgowan deterritorialization is right wing - so there is dispute, theres no perfect fit in with marxism, especially traditional forms.

 No.497176

>>497172
what did he mean by this

 No.497177

>>497156
>form new perspectives
Never once useful.
<whoa everything is like, connected man
Weird how it never gives us any practical new insights into political economy, OH WELL

 No.497178

>>497177
the ironic thing about liberal politics is that theres seemingly nothign more disempowering than individualism and "novelty". "new perspectives" are gay indeed.

 No.497179

>>497158
>>497161
Amazing, this is great.
We need to have this pasted in the next D&G thread too.
>>497127
>Pic related, it's the real you climbing into the evangelion.
Lmfao.

 No.497180

>Not reading Zerzan instead
NGMI

 No.497181

>>497118
That's very based. Thank you.
How you do it?
Perdonally i use OCR to extract text out pdf files and format them and correct them on Scrivner which is a program made to create epubs.
Results are decent.
So far i did only 4 books. I'd post them but my hard drive got burned and i lost them.
It's a terrible process that lasts even days at time. I'm looking for ways to optimize it.

 No.497182

>>497180
>Zerzan
>>497118
Baseddddddd. Did you upload it to libgen already?

 No.497183

>>497180
>Zerzan
Fuck, meant to ask, what is the relationship to D&G?

 No.497184

>>497181
I use ABBYY FineReader, manually correct as much of the OCR as possible, save the text to EPUB, then use Calibre's somewhat crash-prone EPUB editor. While I tried Sigil, I didn't like it as much, and I was already accustomed to Calibre's editor from modifying bad texts or replacing images of text with the actual text (fairly common with Ancient Greek, but the vast majority of OCRed Greek text is badly done anyway). "Anti-Oedipus" did take me a few days, but I was working off of a bad copy, one that I later discovered was missing a few pages; also, part of this process included adding page numbers/links in the index, which wasn't strictly necessary. If I hadn't done that and if the copy I had had been better, I could have finished it in two or three days of (still very tedious) work.

I've given a few other books the same treatment, but these are usually modified from the original since they were intended for myself alone originally. Normally, the modification is limited to correcting misspellings in the original text, but I'll also change the hyphenation slightly and sometimes add brackets around footnote links for (my own) ease of reading. I thought about posting my EPUB copy of Moishe Postone's "Time, Labor, and Social Domination" somewhere, but it's slightly modified in this way. It's really only the hyphenation change that stops me, since I assume the other minor changes will bother no one.



>>497182
No, not yet. I thought about it, but I was hoping for comments first since there could be some error. Probably this is the wrong thread for that sort of thing. I was thinking about adding a page map beforehand as well. I did upload a (very slightly) corrected version of Husserl's "Cartesian Meditations" to Library Genesis some time ago, though. I'd have been more elaborate, but I wasn't sure what the tolerance for modification there was.

 No.497185

Based thread. About time /leftypol/ gets into more recent theory. I did not expect a 4 day old thread with more than 100 posts though wow, how?

 No.497186

Can someone explain to me like I'm a prole (I am)? I can't understand a word from the discussion, but I'm really interested

 No.497187

>>497185
Interestingly, I (OP) only bumped the thread once.

We need to make a community-wide conscious effort to put theory back as a main topic on /leftypol/. Global politics are fine, but if people, especially noobies, have no framework to think about them, they will default to left liberal analysis.

You say "about time", it's only so because I made it happen by making the thread. You can also do this, it is entirely within your capacity to bring more contemporary theory into discussion.

I really want more of this style of threads, which is why I'm trying to convince you to make the threads you want to see, and help curate and get discussion going by posting thoughtfully in the thread you made. <3

 No.497188

>>497186
Check out the video playlist linked in the OP. It also has a transcript which is easy to read. It is done by a seasoned professor for lay audiences.

 No.497189

>>497187
I would like to see more threads like this too but I'm too much of a theorylet so I can't help

 No.497190

>>497189
>I would like to see more threads like this too but I'm too much of a theorylet so I can't help
And you think I'm a big theory brain or something?

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>>497173
>>497174
Instead of viewing things as 0=0, view things as 1+(-1) = 0. They have the same value but are two "different" expressions. 1 exists only because (-1) allows it to, and vice versa. Two opposite numbers come into existence as an emergent properties of the same void.

if I'm even understanding this correct

 No.497192

>>497135
What's the point of such state? Categorizing things and percieving discrete objects is already implied in sense perception. We can't not perceive objects (both physical and non physical). Sure, under heavy doses of certain drugs, things stop having meaning and become a BwO, but that isn't really useful. The revolt against static objects is already partly a given in marxism. The only missing piece, one could argue, is the re-territorialization.

What I'm trying to say is that a state of BwO is impossible. When you de territorialize objects, what you are really doing is recontextualizing. Meaning, dismembering the object, and re assembeling it based on already understood relationships to other things.

This is basically lateral thinking and Zizek frequently comes up with examples using Lacan that do exactly this. "But what if the opposite is true". Essentially, Zizek uses Lacan as a treasure trove of tools of deterritorialization to come up with novel understandings.

And I mention Zizek because I know Deleuze was against psychoanalysis. But isn't Freud basically de/reterritorializing shit in his books too? Speculating massively based on counter intuitive ideas.

>maybe the kid is fixated with his anus and holding his shit in because he wishes to remain clean


If this isn't schizo analysis I don't know what is.

Thoughts?

 No.497193

>>497192
I am not the person you asked but problem with Freud, Zizek and Lacan, according to DnG, is that they use prefabricated static concepts. The Oedipus complex, for example. A real deteritorialisation and reteritorialisation only takes place when the reference to everything becomes possible and not only to another static narrative like the father-son relationship. Schizoanalysis is psychoanalysis only taken two steps further. But I'm not en expert, just my thoughts.

 No.497194

>>497193
Ok, we agree then.

 No.497195

>>497143
This shit reads like it was generated by AI

 No.497196

>>497195
Someone needs to run it through a GPT3 bot and feed the output to grad students

 No.497197

>>497195
At a certain point in the text, this sounds like Deleuze’s conclusion. As formal and groundless thought could be anything, thought is the most futuristic form of consciousness. It proceeds without truthvalues, and without time-values. Eros too could be oblivious to past desires, but thought is more so; thought empties itself of everything except its future interpretations, subject to chance and excess. But is the groundlessness of thought sufficient to call the future empty? Does this not repeat the problem: Are groundless thoughts empty? Is Deleuze affirming a kind of decisionism in the realm of thought? Is the future empty if empty thoughts are in it? How is this kind of future “the proper place of decision”?

This is a difficult passage to interpret. When Deleuze says here, at the end of his twenty pages on psychoanalysis, but with thirteen pages left to go in the chapter, that “this is how the story of time ends”, does he mean that this maximally empty time is finally the best definition of time, or is he suggesting (without saying it) that psychoanalysis does not finally generate a good enough theory of time, because the best it can say about the future is that it is a death drive? … unless the emptiness of the future is a condition for a different kind of content for the future. At this point in the text, psychoanalysis drops out of the picture, and the remaining pages of Chapter 2 of Difference and Repetition deal with “dark precursors” and Deleuze’s spin on Nietzsche’s “eternal return.” This certainly sounds like a more productive way to aim at the future than either the death instinct or the indeterminacy of thought. But even with the theory of dark precursors, it is not easy to say what, other than emptiness, the future is about.

We can start by asking: When do dark precursors exist? The point of saying that precursors are dark is to say that even when we believe that an event will mean something in the future, we recognize that we cannot foresee, or decide in advance, the series of repetitions that it will instigate. To be a normal sort of precursor, an event has to have some special property that prescribes something about future events. But if an event is a dark precursor precisely by not clarifying a future series, by pointing to the region of an event that remains undetermined and ungrounded, then in an important sense, dark precursors are the opposite of precursors. It would be nice if we could say that the future is the time when we take up events from the past, and by an act of will, repeat them differently, many times, on different branches, as it were. It would be nice, in short, if we could say that the future is when the “eternal return of the different” takes place. But with dark precursors, any connection between a past event and a future repetition is an “excessive coupling”: Neither the past nor the future elements of a pair explain why they are joined as they are. The foundational reason why dark precursors do not light up the future is that what is repeated is not an action: “all that returns [to the future], the eternal return, is the unconditioned,” a kind of unformatted problem space. Past contents can of course be repeated in new presents, which can be repeated in turn in later presents, but “the third repetition renders the repetition of the other two [past and present] impossible”. No matter how much repetition takes place, and no matter how much is anticipated, the future remains empty. This may not mean that there are no precursors at all, but that dark precursors are dark in a strong sense. A dark precursor is not a precursor of an event that will come later on, but is a dark precursor of itself. It is not a precursor of something dark; the precursor itself is dark. It empties itself out so that it cannot have deterministic effects. It is a kind of repetition-maker that ensures that its own agency does not yet exist. This is the force of saying that the dark precursor resonates not “in advance,” as a normal precursor would, but “in reverse”, by “retrojection”. The point is that the singularity of an event, such as it is, the way an event emits its stream of singularities, the differentiator of its differences, exists only in the future. The precursor is what has not yet happened.

As it happens, Deleuze’s most developed example of a dark precursor is difficult to fit into a theory of the future. The example involves Freud’s case of a childhood trauma that lies dormant, and gets actualized in symptoms only later in life.12 Deleuze calls the childhood trauma the dark precursor. There are two ways to think about futurity in this scenario. One way is to think that the trauma and its later expression make up together a single event that takes place at two distant times. We might want to call the later stage of the event the future of the earlier stage, but if they are really two poles in the same event, it is more a case of distribution of a single event across time, than of one event and its future. The second stage would be dark at the time of the first, but then again, the first would remain obscure until the second occurs. Because of this, one might equally say that the adult symptom is precursor of the childhood event. In any case, the dark precursor on this construal sounds more like before–after coexistence than like an empty future.

The second way to think about the trauma-to-symptom passage is that the second stage is the “delayed” presence of the first. (“It is this delay,”). This comes closer to thinking of the second as the future, despite the fact that it is the essence of the first. Whether we know or imagine the second stage in advance does not matter as much as the fact that the event is half future at any given time, that the event depends on the half that is not there yet. The part of the event which is empty would be the sense in which the event is in the future. The second reading allows us to go back to the question: When is there a precursor of the future? Answer: In the future. To say it simply, the future exists only in the future. Consequently, to perceive the future in its pure state, we would have to exist in our not-yet form. But in a future image, what is there to see? To sum up, it seems on the one hand natural, if perhaps a dead end, to think of the future as empty, as nothing has happened or is happening in it. It is conceivable that Deleuze’s interest in the future simply has nothing at all to do with our everyday chronological future, with what might happen to us later today, or to humans in the coming century. But put this way, it is no so natural after all to think of the future without actualities. Will the price of oil not fluctuate in the future? Will this semester never end? Of course, we do not read Deleuze for his stock market predictions. And it is right for philosophers to distinguish sharply between what it means to befuture and the particular occurrences that will end up happening in the future. It is tempting to conclude, with Arkady Plotnitsky, that “[Deleuze’s] formlessness may be called ‘pure time’ only insofar as it is no longer ‘time’ at all in any sense we can give to such a concept, in this respect making the term ‘pure’ more important than ‘time’” . But if possible, it would be preferable to preserve the time in “pure time,” the future in the “synthesis of the future.”

We want to push the problem of the future beyond the dichotomy of either a temporal void or a classical theory of precursors. In terms of Deleuze’s text, the thing to keep in mind is that even though the third synthesis of time involves forgetting past and present to empty out the form of time, nevertheless in time as a whole, the syntheses of the passing present and the coexisting past remain autonomous, and still keep chugging along. Even once we experience the future as empty, the present keeps contracting past and future, as you can plainly see; the past keeps bubbling up into the present and the future, just look; the future keeps emptying out past and present. So in what form do past and present events subsist once the future destroys them? Does simulated content from the other syntheses return, albeit emptily, to the empty future, like the free-floating forking paths in a Borges story?

 No.497198

>>497053
>Jonas Čeika
Is he Lithuanian or some burgeroid Chicagan WW2 refugee descendant?

 No.497199

>>497198
I think he lives in norway

 No.497200

>>497197
Forgive my brainlet nature when it comes to psychoanalysis but is this a genuine response or another AI generated shitpost???

SOMEONE HELP ME UNDERSTAND DEAR GOD

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 No.497206

Henri Bergson (1859–1941) was one of the most famous and influential French philosophers of the late 19th century-early 20th century. Although his international fame reached cult-like heights during his lifetime, his influence decreased notably after the second World War. While such French thinkers as Merleau-Ponty, Sartre, and Lévinas explicitly acknowledged his influence on their thought, it is generally agreed that it was Gilles Deleuze’s 1966 Bergsonism that marked the reawakening of interest in Bergson’s work. Deleuze realized that Bergson’s most enduring contribution to philosophical thinking is his concept of multiplicity. Bergson’s concept of multiplicity attempts to unify in a consistent way two contradictory features: heterogeneity and continuity. Many philosophers today think that this concept of multiplicity, despite its difficulty, is revolutionary. It is revolutionary because it opens the way to a reconception of community.

The concept of multiplicity has two fates in the Twentieth Century: Bergsonism and phenomenology (Deleuze, 1991, pp. 115–118). In phenomenology, the multiplicity of phenomena is always related to a unified consciousness. In Bergsonism, “the immediate data of consciousness” (les données immédiates de la conscience) are a multiplicity. Here, two prepositions, “to” and “of,” indicate perhaps the most basic difference between Bergsonism and phenomenology. Of course, this phrase is the title of Bergson’s first work, Essai sur les données immédiates de la conscience. The standard English title of this work is Time and Free Will: An Essay on the Immediate Data of Consciousness. It is the text that Sartre claimed attracted him to philosophy.

Time and Free Will has to be seen as an attack on Kant, for whom freedom belongs to a realm outside of space and time. Bergson thinks that Kant has confused space and time in a mixture, with the result that we must conceive human action as determined by natural causality. Bergson offers a twofold response. On the one hand, in order to define consciousness and therefore freedom, Bergson proposes to differentiate between time and space, “to un-mix” them, we might say. On the other hand, through the differentiation, he defines the immediate data of consciousness as being temporal, in other words, as the duration (la durée). In the duration, there is no juxtaposition of events; therefore there is no mechanistic causality. It is in the duration that we can speak of the experience of freedom.

For Bergson, we must understand the duration as a qualitative multiplicity — as opposed to a quantitative multiplicity. As the name suggests, a quantitative multiplicity enumerates things or states of consciousness by means of externalizing one from another in a homogeneous space. In contrast, a qualitative multiplicity consists in a temporal heterogeneity, in which “several conscious states are organized into a whole, permeate one another, [and] gradually gain a richer content” (Time and Free Will, p. 122). Bergson even insists that the word ‘several’ is inappropriate to qualitative multiplicity because it suggests numbering. In Time and Free Will, Bergson provides examples of a quantitative multiplicity; the example of a flock of sheep is perhaps the easiest to grasp (Time and Free Will, pp. 76–77). To constitute a quantitative multiplicity, which is always done out of a practical or utilitarian interest, one ignores the content of the space the items occupy, which results in the space being homogeneous. In the case of the flock of sheep, one ignores the fact that the pasture in which they are feeding is beautiful and the fact that the sheep are not strictly identical to one another. One focuses on what they have in common. What one is interested in is the total number of sheep, be it for meat or wool production. We are able to enumerate them because each sheep occupies a discernable location within the field, because they are juxtaposed to one another. Of course, the enumeration of the sheep is represented by a symbol, a number. Similarly, a calendar or a clock is a homogeneous form of time.

The idea of qualitative multiplicities is difficult to understand, although it is the heart of Bergson’s thinking. Normally, we would think that if there is heterogeneity, there has to be juxtaposition. But, in qualitative multiplicities, there is heterogeneity and no juxtaposition. Qualitative multiplicities are temporal; qualitative multiplicity defines the duration. As with quantitative multiplicities, Bergson gives us many examples. But perhaps, the most significant example is the feeling of sympathy because, in the 1903 “Introduction to Metaphysics,” Bergson defines intuition as sympathy. Here, in Time and Free Will, he calls it a moral feeling (Time and Free Will, 18–19). Our experience of sympathy begins, according to Bergson, with us putting ourselves in the place of others, in feeling their pain. But, Bergson continues, if this were all, the feeling would inspire in us abhorrence of others, and we would want to avoid them, not help them. But then, one realizes that, if one does not help this poor wretch, it is going to turn out that no one will come to my aide when I need help. There is a “need” to help the suffering. For Bergson, these first two phases are “inferior forms of pity.” In contrast, true pity is not so much fearing pain as desiring it. It is as if nature committed a great injustice and what we want is not to be seen as complicitous with it. As Bergson says, “The essence of pity is thus a need for self-abasement [s’humilier], an aspiration downward” into pain. But, this downward aspiration develops into an upward movement into the feeling of being superior. One feels superior because one comes to realize that one can do without certain sensuous goods. In the end however, one feels humility, humble since one no longer needs and desires such sensuous goods. By denying ourselves of these goods, we, in a way, reestablish justice. Later in the 1932 Two Sources of Morality and Religion, Bergson shows that the feeling of sympathy in fact progresses to the point of love for all things. In any case, the feeling of sympathy is “a qualitative progress.” It consists in a “transition from repugnance to fear, from fear to sympathy, and from sympathy itself to humility.” There is a heterogeneity of feelings here. The feelings are continuous with one another; they interpenetrate one another, and there is even an opposition between inferior needs and superior humility. If we tried to juxtapose the feelings, that is, separate them spatially, the feelings would have a different nature than when they interpenetrate. There would be no progress from one to the other. They would be isolated psychic states. Therefore, for Bergson, a qualitative multiplicity is heterogeneous (or differentiated), continuous (or unifying), oppositional (or dualistic) at the extremes, and, most importantly, temporal or progressive (an irreversible flow). Bergson also calls the last characteristic of temporal progress mobility; this characteristic truly distinguishes duration from space, which is an “immobile medium” (The Creative Mind, p. 180). Finally, because a qualitative multiplicity is heterogeneous and yet interpenetrating, it is inexpressible. The continuous and heterogeneous multiplicity of consciousness is given immediately, that is, without the mediation of symbols (Bergson 1992, 162). For Bergson — and perhaps this is his greatest insight — freedom is mobility. Because Bergson connects duration with mobility, in the second half of the Twentieth Century (in Deleuze and Foucault, in particular), the Bergsonian concept of qualitative multiplicity will be dissociated from time and associated with space (Deleuze 1986).

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bergson/#ConcMult

 No.497207

>>497206
In “Introduction to Metaphysics,” Bergson gives us three images to help us think about the duration and therefore qualitative multiplicities (The Creative Mind, pp. 164–65). The first is that of two spools, with a tape running between them, one spool unwinding the tape, the other winding it up. (During his discussion of Bergson, Heidegger focuses on this image in his 1928 The Metaphysical Foundations of Logic.) Duration resembles this image, according to Bergson, because, as we grow older, our future grows smaller and our past larger. The benefit of this image is that it presents a continuity of experiences without juxtaposition. Yet, there is a drawback: because a tape moves between the two spools, the image presents the duration as being homogeneous, as if one could fold the tape back over its other parts, as if the tape were super-posable, implying that two moments in consciousness might be identical. Yet, as Bergson says, “no two moments are identical in a conscious being” (The Creative Mind, p. 164). Duration, for Bergson, is continuity of progress and heterogeneity; moreover, thanks to this image, we can also see that duration implies a conservation of the past. Indeed, for Bergson and this is the center of his truly novel idea of memory, memory conserves the past and this conservation does not imply that one experiences the same (re-cognition), but difference. One moment is added onto the old ones, and thus, when the next moment occurs, it is added onto all the other old ones plus the one that came immediately before. In comparison, therefore to the past collection of moments, it cannot be the same as the one immediately before, because the past is “larger” for the current moment than it was for the previous moment. Although Bergson does not say this, one might say that Tuesday is different from Monday because Monday only includes itself and Sunday, while Tuesday includes itself, Monday, and Sunday. This first image, therefore, implies that duration is memory: the prolongation of the past into the present. We shall return to the question of memory below.

The second image of qualitative multiplicity is the color spectrum. We saw in the first image of the spools that there is constant difference or heterogeneity. The color spectrum helps us understand this, since a color spectrum has a multiplicity of different shades or nuances of color. Here we have heterogeneity, but there is a drawback to this image as well. We lose the characteristic of continuity or unity since the spectrum has colors juxtaposed. As Bergson says, “pure duration excludes all idea of juxtaposition, reciprocal exteriority and extension” (The Creative Mind, p. 164).

Bergson’s third image is an elastic band being stretched. Bergson tells us first to contract the band to a mathematical point, which represents “the now” of our experience. Then, draw it out to make a line growing progressively longer. He warns us not to focus on the line but on the action which traces it. If we can focus on the action of tracing, then we can see that the movement — which is duration — is not only continuous and differentiating or heterogeneous, but also indivisible. We can always insert breaks into the spatial line that represents the motion, but the motion itself is indivisible. For Bergson, there is always a priority of movement over the things that move; the thing that moves is an abstraction from the movement. Now, the elastic band being stretched is a more exact image of duration. But, the image of the elastic is still, according to Bergson, incomplete. Why ? Because, for him, no image can represent duration. An image is immobile, while duration is “pure mobility” (The Creative Mind, p. 165). Later, in Creative Evolution, Bergson will criticize the new art of cinema for presenting immobile images of movement. As Deleuze will show in his cinema books, however, Bergson does not recognize the novelty of this artform. Cinema does provide moving images. In any case, in “Introduction to Metaphysics,” Bergson compares all three images: “the unrolling of our duration [the spool] in certain aspects resembles the unity of a movement which progresses [the elastic], in others, a multiplicity of states spreading out [the color-spectrum].” Now we can see that duration really consists in two characteristics: unity and multiplicity. This double characteristic brings us to Bergson’s method of intuition.

 No.497208

>>497206
pretty neat, barley parsed it, but it seems in line with a more modern understanding of consciousness - periods of absolute darkness alongside periods of existence. 'you' is reconstructed each day meaning our understanding of identity is far more pliable in the world of politics and self-reflection than is typically attributed.

Very neat stuff, maybe I'll read my copy of AntiOed/ATP one of these days…

 No.497209

>>497058
>There is a fundamental paradox in capitalism as a social formation: if it is true that the terror of all the other social formations was decoded flows, capitalism, for its part, historically constituted itself on an unbelievable thing: namely, that which was the terror of other societies: the existence and the reality of decoded flows and these capitalism made its proper concern. If this were true, it would explain that capitalism is, in a very precise sense, the universal form of all societies: in a negative sense, capitalism would be that which all societies dreaded above all, and we cannot help but have the impression that, historically speaking, capitalism…in a certain sense, is what every social formation constantly tried to exorcise, what it constantly tried to avoid, why? Because it was the ruin of every other social formation. And the paradox of capitalism is that a social formation constituted itself on the basis of that which was the negative of all the others. This means that capitalism was not able to constitute itself except through a conjunction, an encounter between decoded flows of all kinds. The thing which was dreaded most of all by every social formation was the basis for a social formation that had to engulf all the others: that what was the negative of all formations has become the very positivity of ours, this makes one shudder. And in what sense was capitalism constituted on the conjunction of decoded flows: it required extraordinary encounters at the end of a process [processus] of decodings of every kind, which were formed with the decline of feudalism. These decodings of all kinds consisted in the decoding of land flows, under the form of the constitution of large private properties, the decoding of monetary flows, under the form of the development of merchant fortunes, the decoding of a flow of workers under the form of expropriation, of the deterritorialization of serfs and peasant landholders. And this is not enough, for if we take the example of Rome, the decoding in decadent Rome, all this clearly happened: the decoding of flows of property under the form of large private properties , the decoding of monetary flows under the forms of large private fortunes, the decoding of labourers with the formation of an urban sub-proletariat: everything is found here, almost everything. The elements of capitalism are found here all together, only there is no encounter. What was necessary for the encounter to be made between the decoded flows of capital or of money and the decoded flows of labourers, for the encounter to be made between the flow of emergent capital and the flow of deterritorialized manpower, literally, the flow of decoded money and the flow of deterritorialized labourers. Indeed, the manner in which money is decoded so as to become money capital and the manner in which the labourer is ripped from the earth in order to become the owner of his/her labour power [force de travail] alone: these are two processes totally independent from each other, there must be an encounter between the two.
>Indeed, for the process of the decoding of money to form capital that is made all across the embryonic forms of commercial capital and banking capital, the flow of labour, the free possessor of his/her labour power alone, is made across a whole other line that is the deterritorialization of the labourer at the end of feudalism, and this could very well not have been encountered. A conjunction of decoded and deterritorialized flows, this is at the basis of capitalism. Capitalism is constituted on the failure of all the pre-existent codes and social territorialities.
>If we admit this, what does this represent: the capitalist machine, it is literally demented. A social machine that functions on the basis of decoded, deterritorialized flows, once again, it is not that societies did not have any idea of this; they had the idea in the form of panic, they acted to prevent this—it was the overturning of all the social codes known up to that point—; so, a society that constitutes itself on the negative of all pre-existing societies, how can it function? A society for which it is proper to decode and deterritorialize all the flows: flow of production, flow of consumption, how can it function, under what form: perhaps capitalism has other processes than coding to make it work, perhaps it is completely different. What I have been seeking up until now was to reground, at a certain level, the problem of the relation CAPITALISM-SCHIZOPHRENIA—and the grounding of a relation is found in something common between capitalism and the schizo: what they have totally in common, and it is perhaps a community that is never realized, that does not assume a concrete figure, it is a community of a principle that remains abstract, namely, the one like the other does not cease to filter, to emit, to intercept, to concentrate decoded and deterritorialized flows.
https://deleuze.cla.purdue.edu/seminars/anti-oedipus-i/lecture-01

 No.497210

How do people get to a point where they can understand this shit

 No.497211

>>497210
Schizophrenia (based)
honestly just keep reading philosophy and it's gonna click at some point

 No.497212

>>497210
It's like learning a language. You have to constantly dip your toes in. After a while you'll be more familiar with the language and you won't even notice.

D&G are hard to read even for professionally trained philosophers.

Also, when you first start reading an author, their writing style might be very hard to parse, but as you continue, it'll be easier.

You can also read and watch secondary material to get a grasp of concepts before you read them directly.

Also, reading doesn't have to be linear, meaning from page 1 to page n. In fact it is better if you jump around, read the index, read the table of contents, skim to random sections, etc. Also, and particularly with D&G, you don't have to fully understand something before moving on. Sometimes skipping a difficult section or looking ahead helps to clarify topics.

 No.497213

Spinozas idea of being still retains a priority of substance over modes and therefore of identity over differences and basically what he says is that Spinoza defines substance as that which is conceivable only through itself which is infinite by way of which it can only be conceived of through itself and not any other whereas modes are always conceived of as substantive modes they belong to substance but substance does not belong to it. The individuals belongs to the absolute but the absolute does not belong to them, and what that means is that identity in the form of substance will have priority over difference. And what Deleuze will now say is that this can only be overcome at the cost of a reversal, where univocity is said directly of differences, where being is said directly of differences, and what is univocal isn't substance in relation to its differences but differences themselves. This is what he is going to say the eternal return amounts to. The eternal return is the eternal return of the same in the sense that it is different. The eternal return says that everything remains different because differences always return. Thats going to be the common sense of all things in Deleuze. That all things retain a difference that is superior to any identity and it is linked to notions of power, of overcoming and the thing that it common to all things is their capacity to overcome, their capacity to express power.

 No.497214

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 No.497215

reading and discussion of Deleuze's 'Treatise on Nomadology' from ATP

 No.497216

i'm assuming you're all familiar with chess the way go is played is in chess there are sides right you you have your pieces lined up on the board and the sides themselves have a particular uh part to play in the game when a pawn reaches the other side it gets promoted to whatever piece you like and it's always a queen unless you're like trying to make some kind of statement and there's a directionality to it pieces can only go in one direction relative to your side or certain pieces can't um pawns specifically in go by contrast there are no real sides because the aim is not the elimination of the opponent's pieces the aim is to control most of the board

see in chess it's like there's something like a state there's something like a wall your pieces are arrayed from from the beginning they are raid against an ordered opponent um you have a king that can be taken your your side must be defended because if they manage to get their pawns into your territory they can now start deploying very powerful pieces right behind your alliance and it's basically game over at that point if they manage to do so that isn't the case in go in go uh it's purely abstract there there are no fixtures the only fixtures in the game are what are created by the dynamics of the game itself the board itself has nothing permanent uh prior to the battle

 No.497217

Archive plz.


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