HOT AND FRESH US SANCTIONS EDITIONLet's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
Sizzle or Sizzle - you decide.
TO WATCH FOR NEWS:
https://liveuamap.com/Live updates from Texan commie boomer in Donbass:
https://www.youtube.com/c/RussellBentleyTexacFor Russiabros, analysis from Boris Rozhin:
https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/ (has a telegram, lots of cool stuff there too)
QRD
"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin says in speech to the nation“
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495832687227068422Putin: "We are ready to show you what true de-Communization means to Ukraine."“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495833069676335104“PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE'S ADMISSION TO NATO IS A DIRECT THREAT TO RUSSIA'S SECURITY || NATO TRAINING CENTRES ESTABLISHED IN UKRAINE AMOUNT TO NATO MILITARY BASES“
https://twitter.com/FirstSquawk/status/1495840775082737664Putin says Ukraine is a "U.S. colony" with a "puppet regime"
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1495840971208429568“Russia claims Ukraine invaded Russia and says 5 Ukrainian soldiers were killed and two APCs destroyed near Rostov.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1495745864320831492Putin, in televised address on Ukraine crisis, talks about a "nationalistic virus" says 1991 collapse of Soviet Union saw Russia robbed
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1495834881028411393“Putin: "Why did we have to transfer the rights to the territories that had been part of the Russian Empire?"“
https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1495832267687669763PUTIN SPEECH WAS PRERECORDED:
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1495775697121517570Russia & Syria officially recognize LNR and DPR
https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1495845600834822147Syria recognizing LNR/DPR
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495847706555781123Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua likely to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics shortly
https://twitter.com/the_ragex/status/1495850619487371265Putin Calls For Ukraine To Break Apart
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-president-putin-ukraine-break-apart_n_6213d491e4b0ef74d724b3a0"President Biden will soon issue an Executive Order that will prohibit new investment, trade, and financing by U.S. persons to, from, or in the so-called DNR and LNR regions of Ukraine," Jen Psaki says following recognition by Putin of regions as "independent."
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1495858379243282434
>EU leadership @vonderleyen & @eucopresident say that bloc will react with sanctions "against those involved in this illegal act" of recognising Donetsk and Luhansk. >Suggests individual, targeted sanctions: not the big ol' war package that everyone has been talking up for weeks.https://twitter.com/HenryJFoy/status/1495853591764082700Communist Party of Russia has just endorsed Putin's call to recognise the DNR and LNR.
Zyuganov: "Look how zealous the Americans and British are now. They forced Ukraine to send almost all its troops to the Donetsk-Luhansk region. More than 100k in a patch of 40-50km."
https://twitter.com/pawelwargan/status/1495857447973572610ACTIVE STREAMS (at time of thread first posted)
HappeningsviaKlashRT STREAM
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlashBLOODCASTCIA Agent Kochinski WATCH
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/bloodcast >>503941thread edition?
thread edition: no leninhat allowed.
>>503938the independence of donbas is a reckoning for imperialism
the independence of donbas is a reckoning for imperialism
the independence of donbas is a reckoning for imperialism
the independence of donbas is a reckoning for imperialism
>>503959>Russia pulling 150K+ troops to the Ukrainian border is self-defense.yes. nato was created as an anti-russian alliance
>Belarus inviting Russian troops into their country is completely fine.yes, alligned countries, with alligned interests
seethe more, Mr. Smith
>>503954It isn't Marxism, it's basic Realpolitik.
Mearsheimer, Kissinger, Walt etc all believe Russia won't attack. It makes no rational sense for Russia to attack when threat of invasion can achieve all of Russia's aims, without threatening Nordstream.
Russia wants to completely tank the Ukrainian economy and force Ukraine into negotiations. US wants Russia to invade to stop Nordstream 2, EU doesn't want Russia to invade because it needs Nordstream 2. That is the general realist view of geopolitics held position.
>>503983Another child who gets his history from Wikipedia lol.
Tbqh, I'd have just shot them but the Khrushchevites were weak and gay.
>>503993Lost in all of this is that Russia did not appear to recognize any non-successionist region as independent if I am understanding this correctly.
Ironically, Russia is using precisely the same argument that the US will use to invade Taiwan.
>>504022Hitler the rabid liberal dog
kek
>>504029Julian calendar isn't the same thing as the Julian date.
The Julian date is how many days there have been from the day it began. It's used by astronomers.
>>504037For all the accusations of being a hapooner, I've been constantly cautious of and downplaying all developments, and offering explanations how this can still deescalate.
So… still not breaking off of diplomatic relations. Meeting on 24th still going to happen? Has US sounded the alarm claiming this is the invasion of Ukraine?
>>503984The very fact the Putin moved in troops is proof to me that he is confident there will be no response. It is a really aggressive escalation.
>>503993They didn't annex them. They recognize their autonomy, and their line this whole time, including Minsk II was just to let them have vote to be autonomous but still part of Ukraine, but Ukraine wont recognize their elections or allow observers in the country.
>>504042No, they exist. Never heard of Symonenko?
Even if they were underground that wouldn't change what I said, cunt.
>>504061Well they know it's bullshit.
People freaking out are hilarious. Call me when T-90s roll over to the Dnieper yeah?
>>504049>For all the accusations of being a hapoonerI am asking up to when something isn't a happening.
All this shit and it is nothingburger? lmao.
IMO, they want a hotwar to call the habbenings.
>>503938the next 3 days are going to determine if lear or lenin hat is right or wrong
if they are right well then they are right
if they are wrong then heh
The only hope for the happooners is Ukraine becoming psychotic
>>504074lel
>>504108Amazing how normalized it is that the US is even relevant in the area.
WHY THE FUCK IS JOE BIDEN EVEN FUCKING RELEVANT.
bitch you don't even go here, wtf??
>>504074If we were to see NATO acting in DPR/LPR, a lot of deaths already would be amounting.
>>504088Those people see Putin as their hero.
>>504089>We see that Kautsky is absolutely wrong in referring to English writers generally (unless lie meant the vulgar English imperialists, or the avowed apologists for imperialism). We see that Kautsky, while claiming that he continues to advocate Marxism, as a matter of fact takes a step backward compared with the social-liberal Hobson, who more correctly takes into account two “historically concrete” (Kautsky’s definition is a mockery of historical concreteness!) features of modern imperialism: (1) the competition between several imperialisms, and (2) the predominance of the financier over the merchant. If it is chiefly a question of the annexation of agrarian countries by industrial countries, then the role of the merchant is put in the forefront.Hobson "more correctly", lenins definition has 5 points about monopoly-industrial-finance cartels
>Kautsky detaches the politics of imperialism from its economics, speaks of annexations as being a policy “preferred” by finance capital, and opposes to it another bourgeois policy which, he alleges, is possible on this very same basis of finance capital. It follows, then, that monopolies in the economy are compatible with non-monopolistic, non-violent, non-annexationist methods in politics. It follows, then, that the territorial division of the world, which was completed during this very epoch of finance capital, and which constitutes the basis of the present peculiar forms of rivalry between the biggest capitalist states, is compatible with a non-imperialist policy. The result is a slurring-over and a blunting of the most profound contradictions of the latest stage of capitalism, instead of an exposure of their depth; the result is bourgeois reformism instead of Marxism.
>If, however, we are discussing the “purely economic” conditions of the epoch of finance capital as a historically concrete epoch which began at the turn of the twentieth century, then the best reply that one can make to the lifeless abstractions of “ultraimperialism” (which serve exclusively a most reactionary aim: that of diverting attention from the depth of existing antagonisms) is to contrast them with the concrete economic realities of the present-day world economy. Kautsky’s utterly meaningless talk about ultra-imperialism encourages, among other things, that profoundly mistaken idea which only brings grist to the mill of the apologists of imperialism, i.e., that the rule of finance capital lessens the unevenness and contradictions inherent in the world economy, whereas in reality it increases them. >>504132And war leads to change.
Anything is better than the post-1991 status quo.
>>504139They literally cucked out and let Russia take Crimea without a fight. They occupied their military bases and stole half their navy, and everyone including the head of their navy defected.
And they've accepted that status quo for 8 years, they've lost any legitimacy. Conquering Ukraine at this point would be a mercy kill. The oligarchs that own it would just flee to Berlin.
>>504151They're doing what they invade other countries for.
based anglos
>>504151God, they want to ban Russia from SWIFT so badly.
What did the EU mean when they said it would be bad for the global economy, though? That Russia can't sell gas and oil?
>>504151the multipolarity world is happening
may russia accept the yuan
>>504151Fucking yeah,
a c c e l e r a t e your demise.
>>504177not the other guy but
the suez canal was a very minor conflict so idk what to feel about that
>>504178the rise of extreme nationalist germany making deals with german national porkies
in other words u cant really use ww2 as an example for britain because britain in many ways wanted peace and comprimise(with the nazis) and only went to war when the germans decided yeah we are gonna fuck over the brits too alongside the soviets.
meanwhile china is never going to do this and russia is too tame to do this either
>>504183Revanchism.
>>504185>the suez canal was a very minor conflict so idk what to feel about thatWas a pretty big deal in the UK and geopolitically, the scale of the conflict is unimportant.
It's like Taiwan would absolutely be the Suez moment for the USA. Some people are saying the LNDR is this for NATO, but it isn't. If China takes Taiwan that minor conflict will signal the end of US hegemony.
>>504156Russia off from SWIFT means that debts owed to European banks by Russian corporations is practically unredeemable, which can easily compromise balance sheet of a few European Banks, among them Unicredit for sure, but also others too.
It would set off a second EU banking crisis with unforeseeable consequences for Porkies.
>>5042167 days old.
>>504222Atlanticists believe the U.S. will rescue them again.
NO FREE HEALTHCARE, BURGERS >>504227If a second banking crisis ensues and then austerity follows Italy Spain Greece Portugal are 100% over, and could drag easily other countries in the mud.
It would be a bloodbath.
(which btw is gonna happen regardless in a softer way)
>>504218Think that guy is actually an epic socdem troll
>>504223Ukraine did that too by never enacting Minsk and then freaking out about an invasion
>>504205They can take it all right quick
the problems come with occupying
Everyone's watched the US for the past 20 years though
They all know that occupation's totally untenable now
Part of me thinks that if this does really kick into total war,
then Russia will roll over Ukraine and immediately withdraw
Leave a chaos that they can build up towards liking them rather than doing an unpopular occupation
>>504244"We condemn the acts of aggression on all sides and encourage a diplomatic solution. China remains firm on noninterference in the internal affairs of other nations. "
i can already feel the seething
>>504183They're already doing sanctions, and they've made clear that's all they're going to do aside from cope and seethe, even if Putin drives his tanks to the Polish border.
He doesn't need to though, because that would be actual aggression. Now he can just park his troops in defensive deployment in Donetsk and dare the Ukrainians to attack a soon-to-be internationally recognized by several countries area.
>>504253>soon to beSyria already does.
Ansarallah from Yemen too.
Tomorrow Belarus Cuba Nicaragua Venezuela and Bolivia could do so.
Central Asian states could follow.
>>504254China has never recognized the annexation of Crimea. There is a 0% chance they will recognize the succesion of parts of Ukraine, especially because the exact opposite situation applies to China, where the US is threatening to unilaterally recognize a part of Chinese territory to be independent and invade and occupy it.
That does not mean that China will not otherwise support Russia. But they will not recognize the independence of donetsk.
>>504258Just a note: Houthis is a derogatory term used by Saudis and those who support them (yes including Chinese media).
Refrain from using that if possible.
>>504273So the noothingers are parotting the white house now. Did you find those iraqi's WMDs yet
comrade?
>>504275https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/status/1495909127591235586>>504274>>504277If even the people who have the most to gain by portraying Russia as the aggressor didn't jump on this opportunity then yeah, I'm taking that as a strong sign.
But no, guys, you're totally right; Russia totally just invaded Ukraine and the whole world is sitting on their collective asses not doing anything. Seems believable.
>>504279I am
>>504277 and I am believing your rant is because nothing is happening, but your justification if that Russia was already there.
Your answer just shows you are 100% deranged.
Russia hasn't invaded, indeed, because that territory is not Ukraine's anymore from the day DPR people decided to protect their ethnicity from these people that let the Union Building massacre happen in Odessa.
Russia can't invade when they are invited by another state.
and this can't be a "nothingburger" from the moment the shelling escalated, 3 days ago now.
Tucker Carlson wants to interview Putin lol. Said it on his show tonight
Ignore the liberal title
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1495932500434161666?s=20&t=4QSknynPJ15255Lek8VFqg>>504279a lot of people are stupid, and the propaganda has been priming them for "RuSsIaN iNvAsIoN" for months. so an escalation of an already existing conflict happens and they think what they've been primed to think.
kylo kulinski is one of these dumb burger brained individuals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xThl2diwmsanyone who wants to be part of the democratic party establishment (even if on its left wing) is going to have problems resisting the propaganda on something like this.
>>504285niqqa, don't quote me about the west saying how this is a continuation of the 2014.
Until now they didn't have troops, but advisors, trainers, and selling weapons to Donbas, and that's the west was ranting as if such thing was an invasion.
Now, that the DBR is recognized politically by Russia, they have all the right to be invited by these republics, especially if actual nazis wanted to ethnically erase them.
>>504289>Just like the US did in Korea and VietnamExcept Kim Il Sung was elected democratically president, and the U.S. wasn't invited by official figures.
>Vietnam, Exactly the same, after the Vietcong, kicked out of Vietnam the french empire and only remained the puppets.
Good false equivalence argument, tho.
>>504328Indiscriminate sanctions is like carpet bombing of cities, they tend to make the proles siding with their masters rather than the ones dropping them
>>504333Educate yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93NATO_relations >>504340>>504339The guy deleted the tweet now. He's a voice of America reporter. USA state media
Imagine how hard he soy faced raged at tucker tweet then thought holy fuck I'm gonna be in trouble kek
>>504355Quick, pick something resembling a horse dildo, swing it, and throw it through the windows,
he will jump out of your home. Hopefully you live in a 10th floor.
NEW: sec of state blinken (USA)
https://twitter.com/lookner/status/1495940752534388753?s=20&t=lNedwYGpQ7pRNFSPouSe_QSecretary of State Blinken says "Department of State personnel currently in Lviv will spend the night in Poland"
>>504360Under Obama millions of jobs were created and foreign scabs were curbed, allowing conditions for wages to rise. That sounds pretty pro worker to me
Under Bush millions of jobs were created and foreign scabs were curbed, allowing conditions for wages to rise. That sounds pretty pro worker to me
Under Clinton millions of jobs were created and foreign scabs were curbed, allowing conditions for wages to rise. That sounds pretty pro worker to me
>>504360Those millions of jobs were produced by obama era policies, the wall never got built and worker protections were further dismantled
You got played
>>504376>deflectionYep, more ultra talking points. No need to search the portal gun. WEW.
In any case, westernization started to happen. It didn't work.
They didn't participate in the ominous shit the NATO did.
some random drills=/=collaboration.
>>504395both are covering it but
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash will have less eceleb autism
>>504401Especially if you watched before the meeting was called to order, they were all standing around and chilling and chatting amicably. Then they went full political theater mode when the chimes sounded.
I'm loving all the shit that's been happening the last few years, it shows how meaningless and constructed the world order is.
>>504409>>504410 (me)
Also, that resolution once it has abstentions, even one, it won't pass.
That shit is all aboard or nothing.
Putin is an idiot. Instead of saying that we are one people, and we have a common enemy - fascists, Putin begins to retell the fascist nonsense of his idol, the philosopher Ilyin. Instead of calling together to go to war against Bandera, break our borders and live in the same country again, building it together shoulder to shoulder, the bastard stupidly refuses Ukrainians to exist as a people, telling how the vile Lenin broke the Holstein-Gottorp-Romanov pigs. Well, how does this creature differ from the Ukrainian Nazis? He repeats their fascist croaking word for word, only changes the arrow in places. Instead of finding like-minded people among Ukrainians, Putin with each of his stupid words only increases the number of if not enemies, then indifferent ones.
To treat with sympathy the fat Russian landlords who lost their factories, factories, and estates in Ukraine because of Lenin? Should we sympathize with the fact that the state of creatures, which did not allow Ukrainians to learn their language, has disappeared? Fuck.
Fuck, of course the situation will only get worse after that. Of course, the first thing that will happen is the rupture of diplomatic relations, the arrest of the property of Putin's friends. And of course a war, a real war between states is also inevitable. And as long as there are capitalists in power in the Ukrainian landfill or in Putin's garbage dump, wars will arise again and again.
Don't let chauvinism prevail over leftist ideals if you don't want to end badly.
>>504430Broke: Putler
Woke: Putin
Bespoke: Putler
ukraine/russia thought experiment for burger libs:
>Jan 6 insurrection succeeds. Biden flees the country to keep from being murdered.
>Trump is installed as president and It's revealed that Russian officials and advisors were deeply involved in the planning of the insurrection and staffing choices for the resulting government.
>The Trump regime then proceeds to jail Democratic party leaders for treason. Shuts down CNN, MSDNC and other media outlets who oppose the regime or show loyalty to Biden or Dems.
>California, Oregon and Washington declare they do not recognize the legitimacy of the government in DC and will now be independent states. They hold referendums to secede that pass overwhelmingly.
>Canada announces that it supports the claims of the people of CA, OR, WA against DC, sends some of its troops and advisors to support them.
>DC and Russia impose economic sanctions on Canada, CA, OR and WA.
>occasional bombing and fighting between DC forces and the three breakaway states occurs, but it remains mostly a stalemate and calm most of the time.
>DC holds new elections with opposition jailed or suppressed and media muzzled, and CA, OR, WA excluded from the vote. Mike Pence wins and continues regular consultation with Russian advisors on all major matters and declares the election a triumph of democracy in the Western hemisphere.
>years later, Canada masses a large number of troops on its SW border with WA.
>Vladimir Putin starts shouting about how Canada is going to invade the US and try to take over the country and install a pro-Canada leader in DC and murder tens of thousands of American civilians, and won't stop shouting about it for weeks
>Canada says it's doing drills and has no intention of invading or taking over DC. Nothing happens for weeks, as Putin's conspiratorial statements about Canada continue escalating.
>Canada starts withdrawing some troops from the area
>DC immediately begins escalating bombing campaigns against CA, OR and WA
>Canada announces that it recognizes the independence of the three states and will send troops to those states to help protect them against further attacks by DC.
who do you support?
>>504440Correct
If you don't understand this you need to spend more time lurking before posting - here or anywhere else.
>>504440Yep, my posture has always been critical support.
>>504446During the maidan, in the ascension of power of the western-backed poroshenko regimen, the Ukrainian authorities decided to ban all russian language alongside Russian teaching from all the country.
The Ukrainian state used hooligans to kill pro-Russian protestors, protestors that disagreed with these measures, during the aftermatach of the maidan by faking some pro-Russian protestors that attacked nazi hooligans, the nazi hooligans harrassed the real pro-Russian protestors until they got trapped in a Union Building, besieged the building, cut the water flow, set on fire the building, tens, almost a hundred died inside. This happened in Oddessa.
People don't just call to separate from the state unless the west has its hands involved.
>>504445Yeah, there were the gorbashit faction, the "let's reform" faction. and the yeltshit faction, the one that "proposed" (imposed) shock therapy or nothing. Shock implied dissolving.
Both are full of shit. Things were not going well after Afghanistan, but the reforms that took place were retarded and arose that stupid faction of yeltshit.
The correct take was to dissolve cooperatives and refound them under a new form.
More news
>"We want to remember that, in this same room, a few days ago Russia made a forceful declaration, in the sense that it would not invade Ukraine. We hope that full compliance with it will be maintained," said the representative of the Latin American country before the Security Council. from the ONU.This is Mexico's stance.
Well basically is saying that they recognize DPR as a different part of Ukraine. kek.
>>504462The reforms came too late and were too shy. He
did want something like a sociademocracy, but that was non-sensical, social democracy in Europe was the result of the capitalists' ruling classes policies to avoid a continent-wide communist revolution, to begin with.
I am casually finishing reading one of his memoirs.
Gorbachev was magnificently stupid
>>504469They will get flattened soon
https://patriots.win/p/141rjZNVjx/russia-orders-troops-into-ukrain/c/Patriots.win is cheering on Russia taking Ukraine entirely. Browse the comments.
This is what they call useful idiots right?
>>504480Probably for some people but the attachment to some kind of "Ukrainian identity" is very weak in that part of the country. Also Ukraine is a basketcase of a country, it never recovered from the Soviet collapse, which contributes to the 2014 Euromaidan "revolution" which was not a real revolution because it did not change anything, Ukraine remained a kleptocracy, so the new government resorted to right-wing Ukrainian nationalism to express a "change" in the absence of real change – that intensified these divisions and contributed to the eastern oblasts breaking off. Then you have the Kiev government resorting to neo-Nazi "volunteer" death squads to shore up the front line because those guys are willing to fight and kill.
>>504454Yeah the Odessa attack was a big deal. Ukrainian neo-fascists torching a trade union building and killing dozens of protesters.
>>504480I don't question your genuine interest in finding that
right spot there where you want to feel good for not believing you are supporting the wrong cause, but I don't think the people in DBR were co-opted into believing there was a Russian ops trying to take those regions.
For instance, there are more evidence that signals the opposite when you see the azov battalion being integrated into the Ukrainian state, and they hate Russians. A lot.
The opposite would be that Ukrainian did its best into solving the Odesa case bringing to justice the intellectual and material responsible, but the situation was never solved, the opposite is trying to dissolve those nazis as much as they could, the opposite would be not being NATO's bitch.
>>504494Someone who would be labelled as ultra: No one, class war is the only war
A happening enjoyer with a multipolar approach: Russia as an antifascist front
A liberal with NATOworms: Ukrop
>>504430Based Post Comrade! Any real Communist knows Putin is a Fascist Vlasovite who helped destroy the USSR.
>>504435Great Russian Chauvinists waving the Vlasov Banner. A century ago these people would have been fighting in the White Army to defend “Muh holy Russia”, 😂.
>>504475Here's some polling from 2020, lot of interesting stuff here about their grievances, quality of life, etc.
https://dif.org.ua/en/article/results-of-regional-public-opinion-poll-in-donetsk-and-luhansk-regions
>Another crucial shift in Donbas public opinion is that in both Donetsk and Luhansk regions people became more cautious toward possible compromises for the sake of peace. In in 2018 45% in Donetsk and 47% in Luhansk regions were confident that compromises should be made at any price, in 2020 these figures decreased to 14% and 34% respectively. Today, 50% in Donetsk and 49% in Luhansk regions believe that compromises are necessary but not everything is acceptable. It means that public opinion in Donbas became more compatible with mainstream opinion in Ukraine. However, it is worth mentioning that in the last 14 months more people in Donetsk GCA (27%) began to think that the conflict can only be resolved by force.
>When people were asked about the ways and means of achieving sustainable peace, new regional divisions emerged. Residents of Donetsk GCA tended to choose the ways that were more favorable for Ukraine, such as economic and defence build-up (31%) and increase of sanctions on Russia (23%). On the other hand, majority of Luhansk residents were in favor recognizing legitimacy of DNR/LNR (38%) and yielding to Russian demands which means recognition of DNR/LNR autonomy and annexation of Crimea (15%).
>Opinion poll revealed that while people in Donbas support idea of direct negotiations with DNR/LNR and granting of special status to pro-Russian entities majority of them strongly object to essential elements of such status and key provisions of the Minsk agreements.
>Hypothetical question about deployment of UN peacekeeping forces on the uncontrolled territories of Donbas also showed polarization and difference between Donetsk and Luhansk residents. In Donetsk GCA 53% of respondents supported such idea while 31% rejected it and 16% were undecided. In Luhansk GCA public attitudes are very different: 51% rejected this idea and only 30% supported it with 19% of undecided.
>In Donetsk GCA 60% of respondents said they would prefer complete restoration of pre-war status of the occupied territories and 57% believed it could happen in the nearest future (in 1-5 years). On the other hand, in Luhansk GCA only 40% would prefer pre-war status for reintegrated territories and only 23% believed this could happen soon. Around 46% of Luhansk GCA respondents said that these territories would never return or could return in remote futureThere is obviously real pro-Russian/anti-Ukrainian sentiment, whether it's enough to deem legitimacy, I leave that to the reader
>>504483Makes sense but funny as hell to see these Republicans simp for Russia because Putin's better at fulfilling their
daddy conservative strongman fantasy.
>>504514*judge the legitimacy of the protests,
>>504521Seems like everyone using that term is a CIA applicant
>>503971>Reminder nothing has happened.Russian military invaded another part of Ukraine yesterday.
>Reminder if you're defending Putin you're an anti-communist fascist>Reminder that Ukrainian communists need help.What about russian communists? They support military intervention by putin.
>Reminder that if you're anti-Lenin, you're pro-nazi.One would think youre a troll but youre active for too long.
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