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 No.504547[View All]

Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.

Original post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/
Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/
US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/
Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/
Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/
CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/
Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/
Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/
US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/
US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/
Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

To check for news: https://liveuamap.com/es
To check for (military) planes: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.

Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.

Btw this also applies to China.
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 No.505128

>>505069
I already told you they would do so, start to attack with those weapons in some sort of guerilla war, not full scale, but annoying. I hope the Rusians use heavy artillery tho, to rape their asses.

 No.505129

>>505118
i was joking. it's about both really. several things align to explain this move: stop the N2, try to unify europe against russia, sell more weapons, impose more sanctions, and provide a distraction for all the domestic woes that joe either can't or won't fix now.
just ask what the media would have been talking about for the last two months if not for the foreign crisis. they'd have nothing to talk about besides inflation, bad polls, and how manchin killed biden's entire agenda and he's basically not going to do anything from here on.
it all aligns into manufacturing a russia crisis. it's no coincidence that it happened just after their 'voting rights' bill got killed in congress. that was their last play to pass some kind of legislation. they were out of cards to play at home so time to turn attention abroad.

 No.505130

A SOMETHINGBURGER JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

 No.505131

>>505130
I LIVE NEAR AN AIRFORCE BASE AND 20,000 FIGHTER JETS JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE ITS HAPPENING

 No.505132

> The U.S., it seems, believes that the worst-case scenario is one where Russia invades Ukraine, only to wilt under the sustained pressure of economic sanctions and military threats.

> Russia’s worse-case scenario is one where it engages in armed conflict with NATO.

> Generally speaking, the side that is most prepared for the reality of armed conflict will prevail.

> Russia has been preparing for this possibility for more than a year. It has repeatedly shown a capability to rapidly mobilize 100,000-plus combat-ready forces in short order. NATO has shown an ability to mobilize 30,000 after six-to-nine-months of extensive preparations.

> What would a conflict between Russia and NATO look like? In short, not like anything NATO has prepared for. Time is the friend of NATO in any such conflict—time to let sanctions weaken the Russian economy, and time to allow NATO to build up sufficient military power to be able to match Russia’s conventional military strength.

> Russia knows this, and as such, any Russian move will be designed to be both swift and decisive.

> First and foremost, if it comes to it, when Russia decides to move on Ukraine, it will do so with a plan of action that has been well-thought out and which sufficient resources have been allocated for its successful completion. Russia will not get involved in a military misadventure in Ukraine that has the potential of dragging on and on, like the U.S. experience in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia has studied an earlier U.S. military campaign—Operation Desert Storm, of Gulf War I—and has taken to heart the lessons of that conflict.

> One does not need to occupy the territory of a foe in order to destroy it. A strategic air campaign designed to nullify specific aspects of a nations’ capability, whether it be economic, political, military, or all the above, coupled with a focused ground campaign designed to destroy an enemy’s army as opposed to occupy its territory, is the likely course of action.

> Given the overwhelming supremacy Russia has both in terms of the ability to project air power backed by precision missile attacks, a strategic air campaign against Ukraine would accomplish in days what the U.S. took more than a month to do against Iraq in 1991.

> On the ground, the destruction of Ukraine’s Army is all but guaranteed. Simply put, the Ukrainian military is neither equipped nor trained to engage in large-scale ground combat. It would be destroyed piecemeal, and the Russians would more than likely spend more time processing Ukrainian prisoners of war than killing Ukrainian defenders.

> For any Russian military campaign against Ukraine to be effective in a larger conflict with NATO, however, two things must occur—Ukraine must cease to exist as a modern nation state, and the defeat of the Ukrainian military must be massively one-sided and quick. If Russia is able to accomplish these two objectives, then it is well positioned to move on to the next phase of its overall strategic posturing vis-à-vis NATO—intimidation.

> While the U.S., NATO, the EU, and the G7 have all promised “unprecedented sanctions,” sanctions only matter if the other side cares. Russia, by rupturing relations with the West, no longer would care about sanctions. Moreover, it is a simple acknowledgement of reality that Russia can survive being blocked from SWIFT transactions longer than Europe can survive without Russian energy. Any rupturing of relations between Russia and the West will result in the complete embargoing of Russian gas and oil to European customers.

> There is no European Plan B. Europe will suffer, and because Europe is composed of erstwhile democracies, politicians will pay the price. All those politicians who followed the U.S. blindly into a confrontation with Russia will now have to answer to their respective constituents why they committed economic suicide on behalf of a Nazi-worshipping, thoroughly corrupt nation (Ukraine) which has nothing in common with the rest of Europe. It will be a short conversation.

> If the U.S. tries to build up NATO forces on Russia’s western frontiers in the aftermath of any Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia will then present Europe with a fait accompli in the form of what would now be known as the “Ukrainian model.” In short, Russia will guarantee that the Ukrainian treatment will be applied to the Baltics, Poland, and even Finland, should it be foolish enough to pursue NATO membership.

> Russia won’t wait until the U.S. has had time to accumulate sufficient military power, either. Russia will simply destroy the offending party through the combination of an air campaign designed to degrade the economic function of the targeted nation, and a ground campaign designed to annihilate the ability to wage war. Russia does not need to occupy the territory of NATO for any lengthy period—just enough to destroy whatever military power has been accumulated by NATO near its borders.

> And—here’s the kicker—short of employing nuclear weapons, there’s nothing NATO can do to prevent this outcome. Militarily, NATO is but a shadow of its former self. The once great armies of Europe have had to cannibalize their combat formations to assemble battalion-sized “combat groups” in the Baltics and Poland. Russia, on the other hand, has reconstituted two army-size formations—the 1st Guards Tank Army and the 20th Combined Arms Army—from the Cold War-era which specialize in deep offensive military action.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/10/what-war-with-russia-would-look-like/

 No.505133

>>505132
jesus christ

 No.505134

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 No.505135

File: 1644795559208.jpg (155.07 KB, 640x980, walter-benjamin-680087.jpg)

>>505090
It is merely one episode in the grand sizzle of history.

 No.505136

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>>505135

 No.505137

>>504949
While I don't like wishing a bunch of people my parents age to fucking die. The world will be better without boomers.

 No.505138

>>505137
Maximum voting age. y/n?

 No.505139

>>505138
not the guy but
yeah

 No.505140

File: 1644797218225.png (1.41 MB, 1413x918, 645869084509645654.png)

Flashback to when Ukrainian rightoids dressed up as World of Warcraft characters to protest remembrances of the Soviet victory over the Axis.

 No.505141

>>505138
I would impose age+wealth.

 No.505142

>>505138
you should only get to vote if you can identify at least 5 tiktok memes.

 No.505143

>>505132
This is both terrifying and sublime.
I'm really at loss at how much is going on and will go on. That a century of history is on its final draft now and I have to live it.
It seems that I will get what I wanted, for both sides to lose, now I have to bear the responsibility of whatever happens after it.

 No.505144

>>505127
>>505127
link gives a 404

 No.505145

>>505144
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-extends-bundeswehr-mission-in-iraq/a-60400784
I left a four, sorry.

 No.505146

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 No.505147

>>505134
We found Rosa's killer.

 No.505148

File: 1644800721291.mp4 (503.44 KB, 640x360, nvkYEAOsP54UcQQK.mp4)

Burger media. Nazis arming the elderly and children gives off some real throwback vibes.

 No.505149

>The weekend after Thanksgiving 2018, a small group of Ukrainian nationalists are said to have conducted weapons training on a huge property in upstate New York, including a trio associated with the Organization for the Defense of the Four Freedoms for Ukraine (ODFFU). Almost a year later, in September 2019, they were named in an anonymous complaint with “Underground Paramilitary Training Activities” in the title, submitted to the New York State Attorney General’s Charities Bureau, in which they were alleged to be “soldiers” for a “Fascist Terrorist organization” and in possession of “large-caliber weapons, many of them illegally acquired.”

>The ODFFU, headquartered in “Little Ukraine,” Manhattan, was established a year after World War II ended by members of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera’s faction of the far-right Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). During the war, the Banderites established a Ukrainian National Militia that provided much of the manpower for the Nazi pogroms that accompanied the arrival of German troops to western Ukraine in 1941. Later the OUN-B infiltrated the Ukrainian auxiliary policemen who did the Nazis’ bidding during the “Holocaust by Bullets.” After the German surrender at Stalingrad the Banderite policemen in western Ukraine defected en masse to form the backbone of the OUN-B’s Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which proceeded to hunt Jews hiding in the forests and wage a barbaric ethnic cleansing campaign against Poles. The ODFFU, dominated from the start by newly arrived Banderites from western Ukraine, presumably included some war criminals among its founding members.[…]

>[…]Andriy Shchegelskiy was born in October 1989 in western Ukraine, just before the Berlin Wall came down. He grew up in 1990s Ukraine and moved to the United States with his family at the age of 12, arriving weeks after 9/11. A dozen years later, swept up in revolution and war from afar, it seems that Shchegelskiy was reborn as a Ukrainian Nationalist in his mid-twenties.

>With his Ukrainian-born credentials, including a better grasp of the language than the second and third-generation OUN-B diaspora leaders, Shchegelskiy became a very active member of the Bandera cult in New York City. Allegedly he revived the OUN pseudonym of a belated relative who took the name of a famous 17th century Cossack leader, Ivan Sirko.

>In March 2015, a year after Russia annexed Crimea, Andriy Parubiy, then the deputy chairman of the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian Parliament), stopped by the ODFFU building in Manhattan, when it still seemed to function smoothly as the US headquarters of OUN-B. Parubiy, many reading this already know, led the ‘Maidan Self-Defense Forces’ in 2013-14, and the paramilitary arm of the neo-Nazi ‘Social-National Party of Ukraine’ in the 1990s.

>Parubiy visited the Saturday school run by the OUN-B affiliated Ukrainian American Youth Association (UAYA), and did an interview with Banderite media, including representatives of the Ukrainian American OUN-B newspaper National Tribune and ODFFU’s Radio Domivka. Shchegelskiy also sat in on the meeting, wearing a Banderite vyshyvanka (red on black base) and taking notes under a framed photo of OUN founder Yevhen Konovalets.[…]

https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-adventures-of-sirko

 No.505150

Could someone explain to me why the west is constantly pushing the narrative that Russia is just about to invade Ukraine?
What do they get out of it?
Are they trying to punish Russia for it's bluff?

 No.505151

>>505141
You mean barring rich people from voting?

 No.505152

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>>505151
if we can dream, let's dream big. YES, mfw.

 No.505153

>>505151
>>505152
They literally did that in the early Soviet Union and/or during the Russian Revolution lmao

 No.505154

>>505150
>Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 will end if Russia invades - Biden
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60292437

>When asked about Nord Stream 2, the US president said "if Russia invades… again, then there will be longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."

>However he did not give specifics, responding to a question about how he would do this by saying: "I promise you we will be able to do it."

Fuck the Hun, tbh.

 No.505155

>>505150
short term they are trying to shut down the Nord Stream pipeline and to cover for the buildup of Ukranian forces in Donetsk and pump Ukraine with weapons to turn it into a bastion that will harass and provoke Russia on it's border and to do more sanctions and apply market pressure on the Russian economy. Long term they want regime change in Russia.

 No.505156

>>505150
Review this and older threads You can easily find the reasons behind if you put "they do this" or "reasons" or "theory(ies)" in your CTRL+F search.

 No.505157

Somebody make a new thread.

 No.505158

>>505154
Are the germs cucked enough to just let that happen?

 No.505159

It's more interesting to ask why Putin massed an army on the Western border and what Russia gets out of it.

 No.505160

>>505158
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austria-resists-including-nord-stream-2-eu-package-russia-sanctions-2022-02-11/
>Austria is sticking with its opposition to including the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in a package of sanctions against Moscow that the European Union is preparing in the event Russia invades Ukraine
>1 day ago
We'll see, but they are being disobedient.

 No.505161

>>505159
Because Ukraine declared it would "de-occupy" Crimea back in March, newfag.

 No.505162

>>505161
I know I posted that article earlier. That's not the only thing Russia gets out of it. For example there were talks of setting up permanent bases in Ukraine by the US and NATO not long ago they said they would not do those now in the official US response to Moscow's demands for security guarantees.

 No.505163

>>505157
this

 No.505164

They (US) is also willing to now negotiate on the deployment of previously banned medium-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe. This was a big thing Trumpf wanted to do. Until recently, the US and its NATO allies publicly called it "unacceptable and untrustworthy" to negotiate on this. The US response to Moscow's demands directly states that the Americans agree to negotiate on this issue. The letter clarifies that the US is ready to discuss a transparency mechanism with Russia to confirm the absence of Tomahawk cruise missiles at Aegis Ashore installation sites in Romania and Poland provided that Russia provides mutual terms of transparency regarding the two US-selected ground-based missile bases at its territory.

 No.505165

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/europe/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-coup-intl/index.html

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says a group of Ukrainians and Russians is planning to carry out a coup against him next week.

Speaking at a news conference in Kiev on Friday, the President said he had received intelligence information, which included audio, indicating the coup is planned for December 1 or 2.

Zelensky said there was audio of Ukrainian and Russian plotters discussing the plan. Ukraine's president said the alleged plotters also mentioned the name of one of Ukraine's richest men, Rinat Akhmetov.

Zelensky alleged Akhmetov – the owner of Ukrainian financial and industrial holding company System Capital Management (SCM) – was "drawn into the war against the state of Ukraine" by people who surrounded him, but he didn't explain what he meant or provide any evidence to support his allegations.

 No.505166

Also all the instructors and Western troops have been evacuating from Ukraine.

 No.505167

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-zelenskiy-akhmetov-debt/31669233.html

Ukraine last week finished paying off 3 billion hryvnyas ($106 million) it owed to Akhmetov's DTEK for renewable energy it had produced, the company said in a January 24 statement.

Ukrenergo, the state-owned power transmission company, last year raised several hundred million dollars through a bond sale in order to pay off debt owed to the nation’s renewable energy sector.

The government paid back all companies except DTEK, which accused the government of discrimination and threatened to sue.

The failure to pay DTEK came amid reports of growing tensions between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and Akhmetov over a host of issues, including energy prices, media coverage, and new restrictions on powerful businessmen.

Akhemtov, whose net worth is estimated at about $7 billion by Forbes, owns a large slice of the Ukrainian economy, including steel and power plants, coal mines, banks, and media assets.

 No.505168

>>505167
Curiously enough all the oligarchs are evacuating Ukraine in private jets right now. Including Akhmetov.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/02/13/7323857/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

 No.505169

>>505157
>>505163
Listen here you lil shit, there won't be any Soviet Reunion. Enough with this shit, history end when Soviet collapse, ye hear?!

Everything else is nothingburger, retards

 No.505170

>>505156
GET'D

 No.505171

OP CREATE THE THREAD, YOU LAZY ASS pwease

 No.505172

jesus christ just copy and paste the OP

 No.505173

>>505159
Because it's Russian territory, and Russia does military exercises every year there

 No.505174

>>505159
Oh, and it needs proving that Russia is actually creating stockpiles and military fronts for an attack. Russia doesn't show any kind of logistics created for such a thing

 No.505175

>>744870
>>744870
new thread

 No.505176

File: 1644822614911.mp4 (53.2 MB, 720x720, the_great_trial_shall_comm….mp4)

……..

 No.505177

WSWS DROPS NEW OFFICIAL STATEMENT
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/14/pers-f14.html

<28. War with Russia in Ukraine, however it begins or whatever the course of its initial stages, will not be contained. It will follow an uncontrollably expansive logic. Every state in the region will be drawn into the conflict. The Black Sea, the shoreline of which laps across seven countries, will be transformed into a cauldron of escalating conflict, sweeping across Transcaucasia, the Caspian Sea region, Central Asia and beyond.

<29. China will see its own interests directly threatened and would be dragged into the war. Conflict would ensue over Taiwan. Iran and Israel would be caught up in the warfare. Japan and Australia would rapidly follow. At some point the use of nuclear weapons would be seen as a way out. And in every theater of this conflict, the United States will be centrally involved, with a devastating loss of life and massive levels of social dislocation.

<36. The way forward for the Russian and Ukrainian working class requires a global perspective. It must be stressed that opposition to Putin does not involve aligning with imperialism. Pseudo-left denunciations of Russian and Chinese “imperialism” have no relation to the historical development of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Rather, they express the alignment of petty-bourgeois forces with Washington. It is necessary to oppose imperialism without adapting to Russian nationalism, and to oppose Russian nationalism without adapting to imperialism.


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