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 No.504547[Last 50 Posts]

Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.

Original post:
Is there a proxy conflict coming?
US will act ‘decisively’ if Russia deploys military to Cuba or Venezuela – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546021-moscow-presence-cuba-venezuela/
Are NATO and Russia on the brink of war over the Ukraine crisis? (Ex-UK ambassador to Russia)
https://www.rt.com/podcast/546013-russia-nato-ukraine-crisis/
US claims Russia preparing ‘false flag’ in Ukraine
https://www.rt.com/russia/546091-us-false-flag-ukraine/
Russia ‘fabricating a pretext for invasion’ of Ukraine – White House
https://www.rt.com/russia/546049-kremlin-fabricating-reason-ukraine-invasion/
Is Russia really preparing an offensive against Ukraine?
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/546082-russian-military-exercise-ukrainian-border/
CIA-trained special ops could fight Russians in case of Ukrainian invasion – report
https://www.rt.com/russia/546041-cia-special-troops-ukraine-invasion/
Ukraine hit by huge cyber attack
https://www.rt.com/russia/546026-ukrainian-government-agencies-massive-cyberattack/
Russia-NATO relations at critical level, Moscow warns
https://www.rt.com/russia/545911-moscow-nato-relations-hazards/
US to train ‘Ukrainian insurgents’ in EU – media
https://www.rt.com/russia/546143-us-train-ukraine-insurgents-reports/
US seeking ways to profit should Russia-Ukraine conflict break out – reports
https://www.rt.com/business/546138-us-lng-russia-europe-sanctions/
Also: requesting that tweet where Lukashenko says that this year they reunite Belarus, Russia, Ukraine, etc.

To check for news: https://liveuamap.com/es
To check for (military) planes: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/

I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.

Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.

Btw this also applies to China.

 No.504548

>NSA Sullivan says Americans in Ukraine should leave in the next 24-48 hours. He says if they stay they are "assuming risk." He notes aerial bombings and missile attacks would likely mark the beginning of a Russian invasion which would kill civilians, no matter their nationality
>Sullivan takes a more urgent plea with Americans still in Ukraine: He said they should leave within the next 24-48 hours. "The risk is now high enough and the threat is immediate enough but prudence demands that it is the time to leave now," he says

 No.504549

File: 1644608202033.jpg (30.37 KB, 600x401, 85b.jpg)

So, in your opinion, in what level of happening are we right now?

 No.504550

Something's gonna happen, but its unclear what. Feb 14th state duma is voting on recognizing the DNR/LNR, and a ukrop reaction to that might serve as catalyst.

 No.504551

File: 1644608286695.gif (206.23 KB, 220x220, confused-bird.gif)


 No.504552

>>504550
>War starts in valentine's day.
This feels like the date of the end of World War 1, like it was planned this day exactly lmao.

 No.504553

>>741327
>>741328
Sameglow

 No.504554

>The Biden administration has made a decision to send 3,000 additional troops from the 82 Airborne to Poland in the coming days amid growing concern about Russia's growing military presence near Ukraine, U.S. officials tell Reuters

 No.504555

>>504554
Bouncing fat guts off each other

 No.504556

Shit is accelerating too much, I want off Porky's ride!
Btw what music will you listen as the world devolves into ww3?

 No.504557

>>741337
That’s the point though in bouncing your fat stomach off of another fat stomach without lifting your arms up in a way which may indicate an actual threat.

 No.504558

File: 1644609100767.gif (21.32 KB, 485x365, its happening.gif)


 No.504559

>>504549
Somewhere between "Why didn't you listen" and "you could have prevented this" depending on how the negotiations go.

 No.504560

>>504556
death metal, naturally

 No.504561

>British nationals in Ukraine should leave the country now, Foreign Office advises

 No.504562

>>741349
gonna need sources on that claim

 No.504563

>>504556
Plague tearing through the planet
world war 3 about to rip

 No.504564

>>504561
Why are they all so jumpy? Who shit in their pants?

 No.504565

>>741349
>Too late. Russians never even wanted diplomatic solution.
Russia is not imperialist, so there is a good chance they prefer diplomacy

 No.504566

>>504561
how many countries advised leaving so far?
UK
USA
JAP
NL
?

 No.504567

>>504566
Worst Korea as well.

 No.504568

Hope we get some war music kino at least

 No.504569

>>504568
>Zoomer trap against the draft (slowed + reverb)

 No.504570

File: 1644609590928.jpg (112.59 KB, 1080x704, Andsoitbegins.jpg)

It seems it will finally happen, and it will be the next week.

 No.504571


 No.504572

US false flag confirmed for next week

 No.504573

>>504572
Reminder that is a double false flag.

 No.504574

>>504570
inb4 it's just an epic meme

 No.504575

>>504574
Indeed, Biden did a miniscule amount of Trolling

 No.504576

>>504570
'unlike you guys i get my news from a reliable source'

 No.504577

>>504571
patrician

 No.504578

>1812
>1941
>2022

 No.504579

>>504578
i wonder how the third painting will look like

 No.504580


 No.504581

>>741349
Why can't you accept that it is NATOstan who are not listening to their own rules about defense pacts putting the security of excluded countries at risk? NATO doesn't even acknowledge that these rules exist. Russian diplomats >>>>>> US diplomats

 No.504582

>>504565
>Too late. Russians never even wanted diplomatic solution.
Russia's been trying to reach a diplomatic resolution with the West for months (inb4 kabuki theater) and neither the West or Russia are backing down from their demands. Personally, if it's true that Russia mostly wants a written agreement that NATO will not expand any more to the east (not saying this is the only reason for the conflict), I think Russia's being reasonable (see >>504581) and the West is the aggressor. If Russia thinks the only way they can guarantee the buffer zone between itself and NATO is through invasion, it's because the West won't allow it diplomatically and Russia feels they've forced its hand. Maybe that's what the US has wanted this whole time.

 No.504583

>>504582
I guarantee you the bougie glow "news" outlets will go into overdrive as soon as they move.
>look how terrible the evil russians are! we need to save the steppeuyghurs!
And the sanctions will come to starve out Russia, but that'll be all they can stomach unless they want nuclear war. They're driving Russia and China closer together and alienating Europe.

 No.504584

Reminder that war is just another mean of diplomacy

 No.504585

Imperialists squabbling about spheres of influence. I want them both to lose and don't want people to suffer too much.

 No.504586

A new Iron Curtain will be needed I tell ya

 No.504587

File: 1644611334587.png (30.48 KB, 763x255, ClipboardImage.png)

some ppl i follow on twitter report sounds of gunfire and explosions in northern and western regions of Donbass. anyone heard anything about this or is it fake?

 No.504588

File: 1644611402887-1.png (83.54 KB, 300x250, 1nc9aQDKXP-6.png)

>US State Department is calling US citizens here in Ukraine and telling them they should leave the country immediately. It's not an automated message. A real person is on the line asking if people have made travel arrangements. @Kiehart just got that call here in Kyiv
Bros…

 No.504589

>>504582
It's probably that (and I say that as a person that generally never defend Putin's Russia), but westoids (including the vast majority of leftists) are already too cucked and will hue over le bad russian Hitler, like the situation is comparable to WW2 (where, in fact, is much closer to WW1 than anything, and with them playing the social-chauvinists role).

 No.504590

>>504587
There have been reports of shelling for at least a week now. Not sure how true

 No.504591

File: 1644611737965.webm (2.2 MB, 368x244, jazz_putinrabbit.webm)

I'm ready.

 No.504592

How long until the british start calling the russians in this ww3 as "huns"?

 No.504593

>>504589
It's nothing like WW1 and if you don't understand that you don't understand the contemporary situation nor WW1.

 No.504594

>>504592
Would prefer pan-Mongolism to counteract Turkey's pan-ottomanism. Purely as a reimagination of course

 No.504595

>>504593
What I mean is IF you want to make dubious comparaisons, it's really preferable to use WW1 situation than the really empty and manichean one that is the start of WW2.

 No.504596

>>504549
It hasn't even begun.

 No.504597


 No.504598

>>504570
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-says-distinct-possibility-russia-invade-ukraine-olympics-rcna15938
>White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters Friday that the administration doesn't believe Putin has made a final decision.

 No.504599

>>504556
Currently listening to some Italian trap so if this goes down in the next few hours it will catch me trappin

 No.504600

File: 1644612505604.jpg (587.63 KB, 2151x1606, CRaBPOx.jpg)

>>504595
I would argue it's more like the soviet-usa proxy war in Afghanistan

 No.504601

test

 No.504602

ITS HAPPENING!!!!

 No.504603

>>504597
Notice how it's only the super glowie nations doing this, probably to make it look worse

 No.504604

This is not how wars begin

 No.504605

>>504602
Russian tanks are prepping over my house.

 No.504606

Dubs for ZA RODINU ZA STALINA screamed by Donetsk communists charging

 No.504607

>>504603
this, in my personal experience, you know it's going bad when the UN evacuates its international staff.

 No.504608

>>504599
Post some links.

 No.504609

>>504604
>weeks of skirmishes escalate into full-blown war
No, this is exactly how wars start.

 No.504610

>>504605
A ukranian prostitute just flew over my house holy shit

 No.504611

Even I who knows military strategy from Paradox games knows that you don't invade without the element of surprise.

 No.504612

File: 1644612756565.png (25.07 KB, 531x241, ClipboardImage.png)

Nothingburger, they're gonna chat this out

 No.504613

>>504609
There hasn't been a skirmish

 No.504614

>>504611
Getting the drop on a nuclear power is more likely to reward you with a face-full of nukes.

 No.504615

>>504612
>Mr. President, please tell to what pleasure do I owe this call.
<Listen here, jack. I wont, I'm not, I don't like what you are doing in… uh… Yugoslavia right now!

 No.504616

>>504613
This assumes every single report from Donetsk and Lugansk is false, but yes, sure.

 No.504617

>>504613
There were years of them in Donbass, but they had settled down before this habbenning, and it sounds like they picked up again, but sources are difficult with that stuff

 No.504618


 No.504619

All I want is an indepedent socialist Donbass

All I got was this lousy shirt

 No.504620

>>504614
I mean invading Ukraine. If Putler was gonna invade Ukraine it would happen when there would be no media coverage

>>504616
what reports? Were there any changes to the frontline? Did any side attack the other? OR was it routine exchange of gunfire with nothing happening

 No.504621

>>504616
Skirmishes in Donbass happen every fucking week for last 7 years.

 No.504622


 No.504623

>>504622
Thanks.

 No.504624

File: 1644613036013.jpg (103.85 KB, 420x500, 1344420670778.jpg)

>>504612
>*remembers Suzerain*

 No.504625

Happening fags are pathetic

 No.504626

You are the Pavlov dogs of US media

 No.504627

File: 1644613092865.png (280.95 KB, 600x400, shoot them on sight.png)

>>504594
Thesis: Pan-Mongolism
Antithesis: Pan-Ottomanism
Synthesis: Pan-Turanism

 No.504628

File: 1644613110525.jpg (66.55 KB, 576x426, playingpigeonchess.jpg)

>>504612
>Putin: So, the only thing you can do to stop this is stop yourself, just stop trying to integrate Ukraine into NATO, both of us don't want this useless war, Biden! Think about it!
<Biden: *shits himself*

 No.504629

>>504608
We ate Soda, the embassy cat, poor Soda's coda,
No more da Capo – she's decapitated –
Running 'round the room, half-baked,
The other half is bacon and sizzling in the frying pan,
We ate the TV,
We ate the armchair,
We ate the telephone,
We ate the cellophane,
My God how we got so far, only to reach so low…
The Russians saved the janitor…
Soda was a little tough to eat, no wonder she was hard meat
Out on the roof with the feline goose…
But Soda had a heart of gold, the ambassador's wife had the liver,
"Please deliver us from evil, " she cried,
"I know all about cats and their heavy vibes…"
She was very hip ambassador's wife…

 No.504630

>>504626
You're the pavlov dog of sucking my balls

 No.504631

>>504625
the important thing is that you are super cool

 No.504632

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 No.504633

File: 1644613303696.jpg (225.19 KB, 1280x853, donbass-stalin.jpg)

>>504606
chekha them

 No.504634

EU urges non-essential diplomats to leave Kyiv
https://euobserver.com/world/154352

UK, Japan, Norway, Netherlands, Latvia join US in urging their citizens to leave Ukraine now
https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1492208112668971017
South Korea bans travel to all regions of Ukraine
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20220211011700325
The Netherlands will move its diplomatic post from Kyiv to Lviv in western Ukraine
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-02-11/netherlands-advises-dutch-citizens-to-leave-ukraine-bnr-news-radio
Israel evacuating Ukraine embassy staff, diplomats’ families; issues travel warning
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-issues-travel-warning-for-ukraine-amid-russian-invasion-fears/

Russia has 48 hours to provide "detailed explanation" of military buildup at border or Ukraine will request extraordinary meeting of Vienna Document countries
https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1492143230447665157

"MORE DETAILS: U.S. officials believe Russia's action could start as soon as TUESDAY, and could include a provocation in Ukraine's Donbas region, or an attack on the capital, Kyiv, sources say."
https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1492224486380290055
https://twitter.com/KatieBoLillis/status/1492183550988279815

 No.504635

>>504632
hahaha

 No.504636

>>504633
Confirmed happening.

 No.504637

This is the best Twitter to follow for updates. He's an academic from usa but he just repost updates from direct Russia, Ukraine, usa media with little input

Good follow

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85

 No.504638

>>504634
Where's Turkey in all of this?

 No.504639

Guys, happening cancelled.
The goverment is just trying to manipulate the market to buy the dip.

 No.504640

>>504638
They have lira at 13,50 the dollar, if watermelon men fucks it up they could literally implode economically.

 No.504641


 No.504642

>>504640
So what Putler's Rubble is like 90 to the dollar for ages now

 No.504643

>>504637
so… war starts after olympics is over?

 No.504644

>>504642
Russian firms don't have debt in dollars or at least they got rid of most of it.

 No.504645

>>504643
> hurr it's the Olympic and Russia usually invaed

American experts

 No.504646

So confirmed happening? oh no no no no Biden bros… We voted for this

 No.504647

>>504640
Last time we were here, it fizzled out, US cancelled deployment in the Black Sea and recognized the Armenian genocide.

All these "concerns" and evacuations are just political bullshit. US ain't doing shit without their carriers, but technically, they aren't permitted in the Black Sea. So if Turkey openly or quietly abrogates the Montreux Convention, it literally IS war.

 No.504648

>>504643
This is functionally like Twitter thots writing MANIFESTING on their TL.
Same level of analysis 95% less attractiveness

 No.504649

>>504647
In a non related but still relevant discourse that is what covertly Turkey wants to do with their Mavi Vatan+Istanbul Canal bullshit.

 No.504650

>>504582
The negatives that will result from Russia invading Ukraine far outweigh any positive they could gain if nato stopped expanding.

 No.504651

>>504647
Biden already said the US won't do shit if Putin invades Ukraine. So WW3 won't be happening. Get that off the plate happening faggots.

The question is weather Putin will invade Ukraine right now. He won't because the only evidence of him invading Ukraine is high pitched screeching from US media. Who is always wrong.

 No.504652


 No.504653

File: 1644614114351.gif (5.67 KB, 104x255, happening level 5.gif)

<They'll talk tomorrow

 No.504654

Biden approval rating is almost as bad as trumps was now and it keeps dropping every week

Dems are desperate to boost him before midterms in November may make some crazy decision to boost American nationalism

 No.504655

There was an anos who said that WW2 was just a continuation of WW1 as WW1 didn't solve anything.
Could this next war be the continuation of the Soviet Union dismantling?

 No.504656

>>504597
>Tel Aviv’s call for evacuation follows a similar move by the US, which has warned Americans staying in Ukraine to leave immediately, adding that US troops will not be sent to rescue them should Russia invade.
Calling it here, they're just gonna let Putin have Ukraine.
If I'm wrong you lads can make fun of me when we're in the REX-84 camps together.

 No.504657

>>504651
>Biden already said the US won't do shit if Putin invades Ukraine.
Biden is a senile fool. If Ukraine joins NATO and Russia invades, all NATO members are pulled into the conflict.

 No.504658

File: 1644614162937-0.png (157.69 KB, 592x405, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1644614162937-1.png (113.25 KB, 652x513, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1644614162937-2.png (192.42 KB, 658x457, ClipboardImage.png)

Russians have scheduled lots of shit in the black sea the coming days

 No.504659


 No.504660

>>504650
NATO ISN'T EXPANDING THEY SAID UKRAINE WON'T JOIN A BILLION TIMES HUNGARY BLOCKED EVEN THE NOTION OF THEM SITTING IN ON THE MEETINGS SOMETIMES

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html

https://www.rt.com/russia/535736-ukraine-will-not-join-nato/

 No.504661

>>504655
No, just the continuation of US foreign policy. Conflict with Russia, Iran and China was always on the menu.

 No.504662

File: 1644614330636.jpeg (120.56 KB, 996x1422, FLWGGuJXIAMcrGT.jpeg)


 No.504663

>Global Hawk FORTE12 airborne for late night mission

 No.504664

>>504649
Turkey joined the NATO because Stalin autistically wanted the Bosphorus strait for himself and openly called for a regime change for Turkey, despite Turkey having warm relations to the USSR prior to this (Lenin heavily supported the Turkish War of Independence).

TLDR: Stalin caused Turkish NATIO shenanigans.

 No.504665

>>504663
Greek bvlls coming to the rescue

 No.504666

>>504664
Shame. Bosphorus Straits was how Ottomans kept sneaking into anti-Russian alliances.

 No.504667

>>741551
>What schizophrenia does to a mf.

 No.504668

Opinions?

 No.504669

Germany visiting Ukraine on Monday

Sly news

 No.504670

>>504669
Sky news*

 No.504671

>>504627
holy based
>>504660
NATO expansion doesn't have to be imminent, the fact is that NATO refuses to make any guarantees about it never occurring, and Russia is showing that it is serious about the guarantee.

 No.504672

>An evacuation plan has been approved in Kyiv, - Klitschko said

 No.504673

>>504559
>negotiations
there are no negotiations. there is dictation from the US, and a forcing of outcome on their terms, one way or another

 No.504674

>>504564
they shit in their own pants

 No.504675

>>504566
jewland too

 No.504676

>>504674
I shat in their pants

 No.504677

>>504585
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPEC

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Russia%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_oil_price_war

>On 8 March 2020, Saudi Arabia initiated a price war on oil with Russia, facilitating a 65% quarterly fall in the price of oil.[1] In the first few weeks of March, US oil prices[ambiguous] fell by 34%, crude oil fell by 26%, and Brent oil fell by 24%.[2][3] The price war was triggered by a break-up in dialogue between the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and Russia over proposed oil-production cuts in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic.[1] Russia walked out of the agreement, leading to the fall of the OPEC+ alliance. Oil prices had already fallen 30% since the start of the year due to a drop in demand.[4] The price war is one of the major causes and effects of the ensuing global stock-market crash.[5]


Advancing this definition of imperialism brings us into complete contradiction to K. Kautsky, who refuses to regard imperialism as a “phase of capitalism” and defines it as a policy “preferred” by finance capital, a tendency of “industrial” countries to annex “agrarian” countries.[2] Kautsky’s definition is thoroughly false from the theoretical standpoint. What distinguishes imperialism is the rule not of industrial capital, but of finance capital, the striving to annex not agrarian countries, particularly, but every kind of country. Kautsky divorces imperialist politics from imperialist economics, he divorces monopoly in politics from monopoly in economics in order to pave the way for his vulgar bourgeois reformism.

 No.504678

>>504645
Burger moment

 No.504679


 No.504680

>>504679
Man.
Remember when oil got into -300$?

 No.504681

File: 1644616344271.png (318.85 KB, 840x669, ClipboardImage.png)

>>504633
these dubs deserve more praise wtf

 No.504682

>>504677
>What distinguishes imperialism is the rule not of industrial capital, but of finance capital
I don't get it industrial capital is not mentioned anywhere previously, it even says he blamed finance capital for imperialism so how is this a "correction"

 No.504683

>>504679
how come oil is got so money right now?

who made oil rich?

 No.504684

>>504656
putin doesnt even WANT ukraine you mongoloid

 No.504685

> PUTIN HAS MADE THE FINAL DECISION TO INVADE SOURCES SAY

Seriously? How do they know he made the "Final Decision"

What sources?

Fuck American media.

 No.504686

This is all trumps fault bros

A liberal just tweeted this

 No.504687

File: 1644617042721.mp4 (665.71 KB, 1212x720, 1625671508371-2.mp4)

>>504686
Biden is nearly starting a world war
Here's why it's Drumpf's fault

 No.504688

File: 1644617410355.jpg (66.29 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg)

>Russia will invade any second now…
>Aaaaaaaaany second now…
>See? Russian invasion! No wait…that's NATO

 No.504689

File: 1644617547831.png (49.13 KB, 512x512, 1636326774032.png)

Nothing is going to happen.

 No.504690

File: 1644617736176.png (223.52 KB, 402x387, ClipboardImage.png)

>>504633
cheka'd

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>>504679
It takes oil to fight a war. Not sure if that would take so much that oil would spike though. Did oil spike in other recent conflicts?

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>>504615
>look fat, how do I open up PDF?

 No.504693

>>504689
This. Happooners will be permanently BTFO when the snow melts (thus making Tanks worthless and invasion impossible) and the Vlasovites don’t do anything to their Banderite buddies (both “Sides” are Anti-Communists fully integrated into the Global Imperialist-Capitalist System). SCREENSHOT THIS.

 No.504694

Some Westoid political analysis:

WHY PUTIN WINS

Did Vladimir Putin ever intend to invade Ukraine? Or were his troop manoeuvres just a game — another test of the West’s resolve? If the latter, the Russian President can count the past few weeks a huge success. He has established that no western country has any desire to respond to a blatant threat to a sovereign state with military action. He also has succeeded in showing the West cannot even agree on a course of threatened sanctions. Never in its history has Nato looked so frayed or western governments been so divided over the issue of a military threat from the East.

Ukraine is not a member of Nato — though in 2008 the country did begin an application process to join — and therefore Article 5 of the alliance’s constitution, that an attack on one is an attack on all, could not be triggered by a Russian invasion. Little help is forthcoming. While Britain and the US have sent light armoury to Ukraine, Germany last month made a derisory offer of 5,000 helmets — as if they would make any difference against an onslaught by the 130,000 Russian troops who have been moved close to the Ukrainian border. Nato forces in Poland and the Baltic states have been stepped up, but not to any great degree.
The West’s threat to hit Russia with economic sanctions did not leave Putin quaking. Joe Biden appeared to suggest at a White House press conference that only a full-scale invasion would provoke a response from the US — effectively granting permission for Russia to occupy part of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Germany’s new leader Olaf Scholz has been struggling to present Putin with any sort of deterrent.

Putin has exposed ‘the West’ as a theoretical construct — more a remnant of history than a present-day reality. Russia’s conversion to capitalism — even of the inefficient, kleptomaniac variety — has integrated and complicated relations with its neighbours. There are no longer two different worlds, East and West. Instead, Russia has varying levels of economic and political engagement with individual European and North American countries.
Putin was punished with sanctions for his annexation of the Crimea in 2014, and again following the Salisbury poisonings four years later. Even so, western football teams faithfully turned up to Russia’s World Cup in 2018, just as skiers and skaters have trooped to Beijing this week for Xi’s Winter Olympics, in spite of protests from western governments about treatment of the Uighurs. If western countries can’t even boycott a sporting event, the chances are they are not going to cut off trade or execute much in the way of other economic sanctions.

While Putin was punished for Crimea, he was also rewarded with the Minsk accords, negotiated with France and Germany, which guarantee a degree of autonomy for Russian–speaking parts of eastern Ukraine — so that they might become de facto Russian without the need for tanks. Putin’s reward for his latest act of hostility has been to put the rest of Europe into a kind of Stockholm syndrome. The West is now so grateful that he hasn’t invaded Ukraine that he can be welcomed back into the European fold. Emmanuel Macron began that rehabilitation by meeting with Putin this week — albeit at opposite ends of an extremely long table.

In spite of its market reforms and a population more than twice the size of Britain’s, Russia remains economically weak. Aside from its oil and gas, its industries present no great competition for the West (the entire Russian economy is smaller than that of Italy). But Putin has demonstrated that Russia’s armed forces are still to be feared and he can play a good diplomatic game. Moscow has bought off Germany, rendering the idea of a united Europe risible. There is no force that would prevent Putin from taking Ukraine. The world has seen that now. Putin can walk away having demonstrated the West’s weakness, and wondering how next to exploit it.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-putin-wins




The Myth of Russian Decline
The Biden administration came into office with a clear and unambiguous foreign policy priority: countering a rising China. The administration’s public statements, its early national security planning documents, and its initial diplomatic forays have all suggested that pushing back against Beijing’s growing global influence will be Washington’s national security focus, alongside transnational threats such as climate change and the COVID-19 pandemic. The question of how to deal with Russia, by contrast, has taken a back seat, returning to the fore only when Russian troops amassed on Ukraine’s border in April. That crisis served as a reminder of the danger of looking past Moscow—yet by July, President Joe Biden was back to declaring that Russia was “sitting on top of an economy that has nuclear weapons and oil wells and nothing else.”

Biden is not the first American leader to think along these lines. Ever since the end of the Cold War, American politicians have periodically suggested that Russia’s days as a true global power are numbered. In 2014, John McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona, called Russia a “gas station masquerading as a country.” That same year, U.S. President Barack Obama dismissed Russia as a mere “regional power.” Not long thereafter, Russia successfully intervened in the Syrian war, interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, and inserted itself into the political crisis in Venezuela and the civil war in Libya. And yet, the perception of Russia as a paper tiger persists.
The problem is that the case for Russian decline is overstated. Much of the evidence for it, such as Russia’s shrinking population and its resource-dependent economy, is not as consequential for the Kremlin as many in Washington assume. Nor should the United States expect that Russia will automatically abandon its course of confrontation once President Vladimir Putin leaves office. Putin’s foreign policy enjoys widespread support among the country’s ruling elite, and his legacy will include a thicket of unresolved disputes, chief among them that over the annexation of Crimea. Any disagreements with the United States are here to stay.

Put simply, Washington cannot afford to fixate on China while hoping to simply wait Russia out. Rather than viewing Russia as a declining power, U.S. leaders should see it as a persistent one—and have a frank conversation about the country’s true capabilities and vulnerabilities. Rethinking American assumptions about Russian power would allow policymakers to address what will be a period of prolonged confrontation with a capable adversary.

FAULTY ASSUMPTIONS

Expectations of Russian decline contain important truths. The country’s economy is stagnant, with few sources of value other than the extraction and export of natural resources. The entire system is rife with corruption and dominated by inefficient state-owned or state-controlled enterprises, and international sanctions limit access to capital and technology. Russia struggles to develop, retain, and attract talent; the state chronically underfunds scientific research; and bureaucratic mismanagement hinders technological innovation. As a result, Russia lags considerably behind the United States and China in most metrics of scientific and technological development. Military spending has largely plateaued in the last four years, and the population is forecast to decline by ten million people by 2050.
With such a dismal outlook, it is natural to assume that Russia’s capacity for disruption and hostility on the international stage will soon diminish, too—that the Kremlin will simply run out of resources for its aggressive foreign policy. But those data points miss the broader picture. They highlight Russia’s weaknesses and downplay its strengths. Russia may be “a downshifter country,” as Herman Gref, the head of Russia’s largest bank, complained in 2016. But its economic, demographic, and military potential will remain substantial, rather than entering a precipitous decline.

Consider the country’s economy, which, stagnant as it may be, is still larger and more resilient than many believe. Analysts like to point out that Russia’s GDP of $1.5 trillion is comparable to that of Italy or Texas. But that $1.5 trillion is calculated using market exchange rates. Factor in purchasing power parity, and it balloons to $4.1 trillion, which would make Russia the second-largest economy in Europe and the sixth-largest in the world. Neither measure is wholly accurate—one is likely an underestimate, the other an overestimate—but the comparison shows that Russia’s economy is nowhere near as small as the conventional wisdom holds. At any rate, raw GDP is often a poor measure of geopolitical power: it no longer translates easily into military potential or international influence.

Washington cannot afford to fixate on China while hoping to simply wait Russia out.

To be sure, Russia’s economy has not been kind to its citizens. Real disposable incomes are ten percent lower today than they were in 2013, wiping out nearly a decade of growth. But macroeconomic indicators are stable enough to allow Moscow to project power well into the future. After Russia’s annexation of Crimea and occupation of eastern Ukraine in 2014, international sanctions and falling oil prices caused its economy to tumble. In the years since, however, the government has reined in its spending and adapted to lower oil prices, creating budget surpluses and a growing war chest. The latest estimates, as of August 2021, put the value of Russia’s National Wealth Fund at about $185 billion and its foreign currency reserves at $615 billion—hardly a picture of destitution. A new policy of import substitution, devised in response to international sanctions, has breathed new life into the agricultural sector, whose exports now rake in more than $30 billion annually. The Kremlin has also reoriented trade away from the West and toward China, currently its number one trading partner. Trade with China is expected to exceed $200 billion by 2024, twice what it was in 2013.
What of Russia’s dependence on extractive industries? Oil and gas sales continue to account for about 30–40 percent of the government’s budget, meaning that a future shift away from fossil fuels will sting. But it is unclear how near that future really is. And Russia produces energy at such a low price that other exporting countries are likely to get squeezed well before it sees its budget crimped. In addition, Russia is the main energy supplier to the European Union, whose dependency has only grown over the past decade: the EU gets 41 percent of its natural gas, 27 percent of its oil, and 47 percent of its solid fossil fuels from Russia. The problem Moscow faces is that its resources are not infinite. Russia’s oil production will peak in the coming decade—some think it may have done so already—meaning that the country’s capacity to export easily extractable (and thus cheap) oil will hit a ceiling.

Meanwhile, although Russia lags behind the United States in technological innovation, it still ranks among the top ten worldwide in research-and-development spending. In the case of artificial intelligence, it may not even matter whether the country is a leader or a follower: given the many applications and the commercial utility of this technology, Moscow will likely realize some second-mover advantages while letting the United States and China take on the costs and risks of pioneering its development. Moreover, Russia has a struggling but viable technology sector and has developed its own analogs to Facebook, Google, and other popular online platforms, all of which are fairly successful within Russia.

OF MILITARY AND MEN

Among the most common misconceptions about Russia is that the country’s demographic outlook will dramatically constrain its future capabilities. Such demographic determinism has historically failed to predict Russia’s fortunes. According to UN forecasts, Russia’s population will shrink by about seven percent by 2050; more pessimistic projections see a decline of up to 11 percent. Even in the latter case, Russia would remain the most populous country in Europe and Eurasia by a wide margin. It may lag behind highly developed Western countries in life expectancy and mortality rates, but it has substantially narrowed those gaps since the 1990s. The country is certainly not on the brink of demographic collapse.

More important, the relevance of demographics to state power needs rethinking. Modern great powers are defined not by the size of their populations but by their populations’ quality: people’s health, educational levels, and labor productivity, among other indicators. Were it otherwise, countries such as Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Nigeria would be among the world’s most powerful states. As the American scholar Hal Brands has written, “All things equal, countries with healthy demographic profiles can create wealth more easily than their competitors.” On this front, Russia has shown considerable improvement since the 1990s, with reduced mortality, increased lifespans, and an improved fertility rate. Until 2015, it steadily rose on indexes such as the UN’s Human Development Index and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s labor productivity measures. An economic recession has since slowed down this trend, and undone some of the progress, but Russia’s overall situation has considerably improved from a demographic crisis in the 1990s and predictions of demographic doom in the early years of this century.

Brain drain remains a major problem, with many of Russia’s brightest leaving the country. Its economic impact, however, has been difficult to measure. And even as many middle-class Russians who are essential to the knowledge economy leave, Russia benefits from substantial immigration by job seekers from the former Soviet republics. Russia’s demographic profile is composed of mixed indicators that show qualitative improvements alongside quantitative decline. Meanwhile, the demographic outlooks for many of the United States’ allies and partners are equally problematic, if not more so.

MILITARY MIGHT

Above all, Russia will remain a military force to be reckoned with. Military power has historically been a Russian strength, compensating for the country’s relatively undiversified economy, technological backwardness, and lack of political dynamism. It is in part why Russia managed to sustain prolonged competitions with economically much stronger states in the past, whether it was the United States or the British Empire. After its nadir in the early post-Soviet era, Russian military power has been revived—and will only improve in the coming decade, even as American policymakers turn their attention to China.

Russia remains the United States’ primary peer in nuclear weapons technology. Aside from NATO, it also fields the strongest conventional military in Europe, reforged following a period of military reforms and investments since 2008. That transformation was largely overlooked prior to 2014, which explains why Russia’s military moves in Ukraine and, later, in Syria took many analysts by surprise. Today, the Russian military is at its highest level of readiness, mobility, and technical capability in decades. NATO remains superior on paper, but much is contingent in war, and NATO’s apparent superiority does not guarantee victory or the ability to deter Russia across the range of possible conflicts. Russia also fields a flexible array of special forces, mercenaries, and military intelligence operatives. This is before considering the country’s status as a leading power in space or its extensive cyberwarfare capabilities, which were recently demonstrated by the so-called SolarWinds breach, in which Russian hackers penetrated and spied on several U.S. government agencies.

Adjusting for purchasing power parity and for the peculiarities of autarkic defense sectors such as Russia’s, analysts have estimated that Russia spends somewhere between $150 billion and $180 billion per year on defense, considerably more than the market exchange rate figure of $58 billion suggests. Half of Russia’s annual defense budget is spent on procuring new weapons, modernizing old ones, and researching military technology, which is a far greater share than is spent in these areas by most Western militaries. Those, moreover, are conservative estimates, since some Russian expenditures remain hidden, obscured, or classified. Using these generous budgets, the Russian military-industrial complex has developed many next-generation weapons, from hypersonic missiles to directed-energy weapons (such as lasers), electronic warfare systems, advanced submarines, and integrated air defenses, along with antisatellite weapons of various types.

The Russian military is not without its problems and remains a laggard in some areas. In practice, however, Russia is well positioned to remain a dominant actor in the post-Soviet space and to challenge U.S. interests in other regions, such as the Middle East. Russia retains the airlift and sealift capabilities needed to deploy its troops at some distance from its borders. Its defense spending looks stable at current levels, despite the triple shock of an economic recession, low oil prices, and international sanctions. The Russian military still sees itself as a relative underdog, but it has grown more confident that it can deter NATO even without nuclear weapons, and the outcome of a prolonged war between Russian and NATO forces is difficult to predict. Under these circumstances, the United States and its allies should stop dismissing Russia as a mere “disrupter” and recognize it as a serious military adversary in both ability and intent.

IT’S NOT JUST A PUTIN PROBLEM

Tied up in the narrative of Russian decline is the notion that the United States primarily has a Putin problem—that once the Russian president leaves office, his country’s foreign policy will grow less assertive. Yet that is unlikely to be the case. For one thing, Putin can legally remain in office until 2036, thanks to a referendum that he pushed through last year that allows him to serve two more six-year terms after his current term expires in 2024. Research that one of us (Kendall-Taylor) conducted with the political scientist Erica Frantz showed that such longevity is common for leaders like the Russian president. In the post–Cold War era, autocrats who, like Putin, had made it to 20 years in office, were at least 65 years of age, and had concentrated power in their own hands ended up ruling for 36 years, on average.
Research on longtime authoritarian leaders also suggests that once Putin does depart—even if earlier than expected—there will be little prospect for substantial political improvement. Most often, the regimes that such longtime leaders create persist, or a different dictatorship emerges. The odds that democratization will follow a regime like Putin’s—run by an older, personalist leader who has clung to power for 20 years or more—are less than one in ten. Extending term limits, as Putin did after last year’s referendum, is also a bad sign. According to data from the Comparative Constitutions Project, 13 leaders around the world pursued term-limit extensions in the period from 1992 to 2009. In all but one case, their regimes either are still in power or simply transitioned to a new authoritarian regime after the leader’s departure.

This is not to suggest that Russia is doomed to authoritarianism or that a change in the president would not matter. Nonetheless, the empirical record shows that the actions longtime authoritarian leaders typically take to ensure control—such as undermining civil society and hollowing out institutions that could constrain their power—create barriers to the emergence of democracy. Likewise, a mere change in leadership would likely matter only at the margins. Unless Putin’s departure ushers in a significant turnover in the ruling elite, key pillars of Russian foreign policy, such as the notion that Russia maintains the right to a sphere of influence in the post-Soviet space, will remain incompatible with the values of the United States and its allies. Simply put, American policymakers must prepare for the possibility that the contours of Russian foreign policy, and thus the Kremlin’s intent to undermine U.S. interests, will endure long after Putin leaves office.

THE PERSISTENT POWER

The United States should think of Russia not as a declining power but as a persistent one, willing and able to threaten U.S. national security interests for at least the next ten to 20 years. Even if China proves to be the more significant long-term threat, Russia will remain a long-term challenger, too—a “good enough” power, as the political scientist Kathryn Stoner has put it, with the ability to shape global affairs and substantially affect U.S. interests. The former Soviet space remains a tinderbox, still reckoning with the dissolution of the Soviet Union, which should be thought of not as an event but as a process, as the historian Serhii Plokhy has aptly put it. No matter how much Washington would like to focus on the Indo-Pacific, therefore, it must consider the prospect of another Russian-Ukrainian war, a military conflict resulting from political unrest in Belarus, or crises akin to the 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war.

Compared with China, Russia also poses a more significant danger to the U.S. homeland. For one thing, it remains the United States’ preeminent nuclear threat, despite China’s growing arsenal of strategic nuclear weapons. The same goes for Russia’s ability to reach the continental United States with long-range conventional missiles. Russia also has more troops stationed abroad than does China, with bases in the Caucasus, Central Asia, Europe, and the Middle East, putting its military in regular proximity to U.S. and NATO forces. When it comes to indirect warfare, Moscow’s record of election interference and hacking demonstrates that it can and will employ emerging technologies against the United States and its allies. It is also worth underscoring that the Kremlin can endanger U.S. interests on the cheap. Russia’s military interventions in Ukraine, Syria, and Libya have been limited and inexpensive. So, too, are its cyberattacks and disinformation efforts.
The United States should think of Russia not as a declining power but as a persistent one.

It is perhaps in these domains—cyberwarfare and attacks on liberal democracy—where Russia is likely to pose the most sustained threat. Russia has refined a low-cost toolkit that allows it to bolster other authoritarian regimes, amplify illiberal voices in established democracies, poison information ecosystems, and subvert elections and other democratic institutions. Since Moscow believes that weakening democracy can accelerate the decline of U.S. influence, it will persist in its efforts on this front. Other states have taken note of Russia’s success in this sphere and have begun to emulate it, as shown by China’s adoption of Kremlin-style information warfare during the pandemic.
A final concern is that Moscow is increasingly finding common cause with Beijing. In effect, the two governments have formed a strategic partnership, exchanging technical and material support to offset Western pressure and focus their resources on competing with the United States rather than with each other. Their defense and military cooperation has grown, too. The impact of this alignment will be greater than the sum of its parts, amplifying the challenge to U.S. interests that each state poses individually. The challenge, therefore, will be not just properly prioritizing China and Russia in U.S. strategy but recognizing that the problems presented by the two countries are not necessarily discrete and separable.

RIGHTSIZING RUSSIA

Washington must move past the myth that Russia is a beleaguered or cornered state, lashing out in recognition of its own demise. In truth, there is little evidence that Russia’s leaders see their country in this way—on the contrary, they consider Russia to be the center of power in its own region and an assertive player globally. Events such as the bungled U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan only reinforce Moscow’s perception that it is rather the United States that is in decline. Ignoring that view will create false expectations for Russia’s behavior, leaving the United States and its allies poorly positioned to anticipate Russian actions.

The Biden administration has taken steps in the right direction. Among them is its focus on fostering democratic resilience. By elevating cybersecurity as a national security priority, strengthening critical infrastructure, improving information ecosystems, and rooting out the corruption that Russia weaponizes to subvert democratic institutions, Washington and its allies can cut off a major source of Moscow’s influence abroad. Meanwhile, the administration’s efforts to pursue arms control and strategic stability with Russia, which should extend to cyberspace and space, will set up the necessary guardrails for a prolonged confrontation.

Moving forward, however, Washington must resist overly focusing on China to the point of neglecting other important issues, such as Russia. The Interim National Security Strategic Guidance, released in March as one of the Biden administration’s earliest national security analyses, discussed China in considerable depth while allocating barely a few sentences to Russia. Future strategic documents, such as the upcoming National Security and National Defense Strategies, should correct this imbalance.
Washington must be bolder in its efforts to defend democracy against outside subversion.

The same approach should guide the administration’s defense budgeting. The Russian military threat has not decreased, yet the funding allocated by Washington to deal with it has: successive budget requests since 2020 have cut support for the European Deterrence Initiative (a U.S. effort to bolster its military presence in Europe after Russia’s annexation of Crimea), most recently by 19 percent. Reallocating that money to East Asia, as the Biden administration wants to do, is unlikely to make a marked difference in the military balance vis-à-vis China—the amount involved is too modest for that—but it will create unnecessary risks in Europe. That is particularly true considering the possibility of simultaneous conflicts with China and Russia, in which one of those states takes advantage of a crisis involving the other to pursue its own aims. Washington must hedge against such a scenario and ensure that Europe does not become the weak link in its strategy.

NATO will play a central role in that endeavor. The alliance has recently begun updating its official guiding document, and Washington must ensure that Russia, not China, remains the clear priority. The United States should also continue to encourage its European allies and partners to shoulder more of the burden for deterrence and defense on the continent. The U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan has reenergized European calls to enhance its own capabilities. Now is the time, through careful transatlantic coordination, for real steps toward strengthening the European pillar within NATO.

Finally, Washington must be bolder still in its efforts to defend democracy against outside subversion. The United States and its allies and partners should step up their collective responses to Moscow’s cyberwarfare, election interference, and other actions that threaten the health of their political and economic systems. They should, for example, agree to take collective action against any foreign election interference that crosses agreed-on thresholds. Russia’s digital ambitions may be overshadowed by China’s, yet Russia is developing its own brand of digital dictatorship, designed in part to undermine democracy worldwide. Addressing that threat also requires working with like-minded democratic partners in international organizations such as the International Telecommunication Union to ensure that it is not Beijing and Moscow that write the digital rules and norms of the future.

The gravitational pull of the threat posed by a rising and revisionist China is understandably strong, but the United States is capable of dealing with two powers at once: China, a pacing threat, and Russia, a persistent one. In talking about their approach to Russia, Biden administration officials are fond of saying that the United States “can walk and chew gum at the same time.” Now they will have to prove it.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2021-10-19/myth-russian-decline

 No.504695

>>504686
>Mayo opinion by Mayo person
Checks out.

 No.504696

>>504694
dats alotta woyds

 No.504697

>>504580
>protect our resources

 No.504698

>>504694
>Instead, Russia has varying levels of economic and political engagement with individual European and North American countries.
>Putin was punished with sanctions for his annexation of the Crimea in 2014, and again following the Salisbury poisonings four years later. Even so, western football teams faithfully turned up to Russia’s World Cup in 2018, just as skiers and skaters have trooped to Beijing this week for Xi’s Winter Olympics, in spite of protests from western governments about treatment of the Uighurs. If western countries can’t even boycott a sporting event, the chances are they are not going to cut off trade or execute much in the way of other economic sanctions.

And that's ultimately the only thing that matters here. Russia is a fully integrated capitalist bourgeois dictatorship.

 No.504699

Also Salisbury was Mi 6

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>>504564

NOTHINGBURGER

The are creating threat with their jumpiness. These "evacuations" are literally there just to fed to the media so they can whip up Russia panic, like everything in this "crisis" it is all just overblown media hype and/or lies. They either want Euro/nato cucks get spooked and fall in line behind their Anglo masters and do shit like cancel nordstream 2 and/or make Russians do something that they could further use in the media war or use as leverage over them in other way. It might also be just about Biden admin wanting to boost their approval numbers in this batshit crazy way. This is what this Ukraine crisis has always been, it never had much to with Ukraine in the first place. Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine, I repeat, Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine.

 No.504702

>>504701
What makes you think it Russia will be the one to start the shots?
America literally wants to make a double false flag (actually attack, get filmed, say film is fake news, Russia counterattacks, "oh no Russia is invading noooo, anyway join the army")

 No.504703


 No.504704

The head of the DPR did not rule out seeking help from Russia

The head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, does not rule out the development of the situation in Donbass in such a scenario that the republic will be forced to turn to Russia for help. According to him, Kiev continues to pull heavy weapons to the line of contact in Donbass, and also increases the number of foreign instructors, violating the Minsk agreements.

Mr. Pushilin stated that military personnel from the US and Poland had arrived in the region. According to him, "the figure is becoming dangerous, it's not dozens, but already hundreds of people." “In this situation, we are forced to be ready at any moment for Ukraine to switch to offensive actions,” Mr. Pushilin said on the air of the Rossiya 24 TV channel (quoted by RIA Novosti ).

He added that mercenaries and instructors arrived on the territory of Ukraine, who, according to him, “may simply retrain at some point in time, which creates additional threats.”

“Plus, the work of unmanned aerial vehicles, the number of which also causes serious concern for us. Therefore, the situation is difficult. The motivation and fighting spirit of our units shows that we are able to protect the civilian population of Donbass. But at the same time, it will not be easy for sure, and we do not exclude that the situation may take such a trajectory when we will be forced to turn to the Russian Federation for help, ”said the head of the DPR.

Recall that earlier the Secretary of the General Council of the party "United Russia" Andrei Turchak made a statement about the need to provide assistance to the DPR and LPR in the supply of certain types of weapons. According to him, this is necessary to increase the defense capability of these formations and contain the "aggression of Kiev." Mr. Turchak explained that the party is concerned about the supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine from NATO countries. After that, the head of the United Russia faction in the State Duma, Vladimir Vasiliev , called on the country's leadership to start supplying military products to the region. Prior to this, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation came up with an initiative to recognize the Donetsk and Lugansk republics in order to "ensure security guarantees and protect their peoples from external threats."

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5215502?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

 No.504705

Estonian and mongol tag team

Here is our chance bros

 No.504706

This reporter is in Donbass. They are posting a lot of interviews with people if you scroll back thru their tweet history. Im going to watch them

Check it out

https://mobile.twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY

 No.504707

>>504706
Archive of their videos and their YouTube has them all uploaded

https://scootercaster.com/videos

https://youtube.com/c/SCOOTERCASTER

 No.504708

>>504672
what does that even mean

 No.504709

>>504702
Neither side wants a full blown war to start and nukes aren't even the only reason. All of this is like 80% putting pressure on Europeans so they would burn all bridges to Russia and siding totally with US and Britain against China in the conflict that Washington actually wants to fight right now; Strengthening of block loyalty essentially. The rest is just fucking with Russia and hope they make a mistake if they get poked enough. While I see US false flag more likely that Russian attack it is still pretty unlikely too. Kiev isn't that suicidal to go along with and offensive on Donbas, no matter how many mortar strikes of dubious origins their border stations receive. Russians probably know to expect the bait.

 No.504710

Boys I've been gone for about 4 years, fucking hell it's all kicking off isn't it?

 No.504711

also how do i get the old yotsuba colors back, this whole black and red shit isn't really to my liking

 No.504712

>>504709
>Neither side wants a full blown war to start
Name a more meaningless, useless and pointless phrase. Literally everybody wants to get their way without firing a shot.

But the problem with playing geopol chicken is that it may result in a draw. And neither Russia or US is likely to back down, as it would be beginning of the end for them.

 No.504713

>>504711
Select theme at the bottom of the screen.

 No.504714

>>504711
See also the Options menu in the top right for some other settings.
Welcome back.

 No.504715

>>504713
>>504714
Nice trips, and thank you very much. This place is very dead but i'm glad crisis is still up and running through 3 website relocations. Man I wish batko was still active we could get a good choir out of this.

 No.504716

>>504705
Mongolian-Sami empire
But seriously I doubt that the troops outside Ukraine represent 65% of all Russian troops

 No.504717

>>504712
>neither Russia or US is likely to back down

In this game of chicken US is ultimately the party that is bluffing, while Russia is the one being serious and holding better cards. US/nato are disunited, Ukraine's economy is going down the shitter because nobody wants to finance a country American's are saying is going to be destroyed tomorrow. the troop strengths are in Russia's favour in eastern Europe and EU needs Russia for energy and so they can't even cut off Russia from swift because it would mean no more gas for Europe and dollar would lose even more ground in global transactions. US has banked so much credibility on the idea that Russia will invade and if they can't handle an actual war they will have to just keep toughening the rhetoric and hope that Russia blinks and does something like seemingly withdraw troops that Americans can sell as an victory to the media. All Russia has to do is wait. Spring will come and Nordstream 2 will finalize it's approval process and then there will be no point to continue this farce, Ukraine will be so devastated economically by this US gambit that it will probably give up on the Minsk agreement or implode on itself.

 No.504718

Russia can just keep those troops there indefinitely and see what Western media does

 No.504719

>>504717
Yes, they should just keep the army there until Nord Stream 2 takes effect. And even after. That way Russia will be "about to invade" year round. Western media will look more and more retarded the longer this goes on and nothing happens.

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HOLY FUCKINGG SHIT!!!!

 No.504721

>>504720
A paratrooper just landed over my house. By the way, I-5 is north-south through Washington state. I don't know what OP is even going on about.

 No.504722

>>504721
Serve him black tea.

 No.504723


 No.504724

>>504720
Q PREDICTED THIS

 No.504725

File: 1644629304979.jpg (277.06 KB, 1385x706, 1497449849472.jpg)

>>504717
>This shit is going to be rolling all year round

 No.504726

>>504719
ukraine economy will collapse before a year of military mobilization unless US start pouring some serious money into it

 No.504727

>>504717
That's exactly the problem - US is bluffing, when it fucking shouldn't be. Once Nordstream 2 is completed, it's fucking over. And after every single fat fucking L that US took in the last decade, they need a win. Biden's approval ratings aren't helping matters, either. Which is especially dangerous, since Demonrats can't fucking see beyond their own fucking careers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmsTqZ-F6Ag

It is, quite literally, now or never. We roll the dice, and if we roll snake eyes, we're fucked.

 No.504728

File: 1644629485888.jpg (25.55 KB, 500x377, q star trek glas.jpg)

>>504724
mon capitang

 No.504729

What are the chances this false flag shit is the Qboomers in the CIA about to do a Bay of Pigs on Beijing Biden over Hunters laptop and Burisma?

 No.504730

>>504727
How do they get a win out of this? All Putin has to do is nothing. Force Putin to invade? how?

 No.504731

>>504730
Under threat of nuclear escalation, Russia fucks off from Crimea, Belorussia gets maidan'd, and Ukraine is in NATO with Russian minority brutally suppressed. From then on, Russia is balkanized and maybe shoots itself, like Yugoslavia.

 No.504732

>>504727
>Once Nordstream 2 is completed,
It's complete. Germany is stalling approval. It is unclear how much longer it can stall.

 No.504733

>>504731
What are they gonna escalate over? We are gonna nuke you if you don't invade Ukraine and block your own pipeline that way ?

 No.504734

>>504732

It's not Germany its the EU

 No.504735

>>504733
"De-occupy Crimea", most likely. Blah blah blah, Ukrainian sovereignty, blah blah blah territorial integrity. Recognizing Crimea as part of Russia isn't and will never be on the table.

 No.504736

>>504735
I don't think so. They had 7 years to do so at this point. Most likely what they are planning is to get Ukraine to launch a fullscale assault on Donbass backed up by US and NATO mercenaries and "advisors" and force Russia into intervening that way and when it does call it an invasion and then block the pipeline that way. Only if that happens Putin will just have no reason to stop at just the Donbass he will cuck the entirety of Ukraine and secure the gas pipeline transit that goes through there as compensation for Nord Stream cucking Europe that way anyway

 No.504737

>>504736
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/predstavnictvo-prezidenta-ukrayini-v-ar-krim-aktivizuye-svoy-72121

Ukrainian President also literally declared they would "de-occupy" Crimea in the coming months. That was in March last year, and what prompted the Russian build-up in the first place.

So, uhh, hmm, roll the dice?

 No.504738


 No.504739

>>504727
It's so funny though, this massive L for the US could have been easily avoided by promising Russia that Ukraine would never join NATO, which is true in the near future anyways.

 No.504740

File: 1644632899467.jpg (189.57 KB, 828x461, IMG_0219.jpg)

>>504738 probably because of their commitment to non-interference in foreign affairs.
Even if that policy didn't exist, It'd be pretty stupid to do anything but abstain in that situation. Your choices are piss off your #1 ally in Russia or piss of the country that is already acting extremely belligerent towards you

 No.504741

>>504549
Shut the fuck up anglo

 No.504742

File: 1644636904228.jpg (455.41 KB, 1900x2032, kuzkina mat.jpg)

>>504673
You can't force terms on a nuclear power, Americuckold.
2 days to the river Dniepr will be a reality and Shartland will be forced to accept it.

 No.504743

>>504549
Blue
Don't listen to american saber-rattling

 No.504744

File: 1644639106122.png (274.25 KB, 474x576, ClipboardImage.png)

>>504740
The only think we can do at this point is starve Ukraine. We're wealthier than them by metrics. Ally with the countries in their peripheries, sanction their leaders, cripple their grain, wait for them to bleed out. And then when they're ready to play ball they can be a nice compliant country.

 No.504745

>>504742
>You can't force terms on a nuclear power
i agree with you retard, its america that seems to have lost the plot

 No.504746

>>504742
>>504745
forgot to bless your trips. my apologies

 No.504747

>>504728
Why the fuck do they keep referencing Shakespeare every time Q is on the screen? Shakespeare is fucking overrated and the people who jerk off to him at school are white supremacists because they support Eurocentrism.

 No.504748

>>504747
This is off topic, but Trek Picard was a french guy that liked lots of British things like tea and British literature. I'm sure this was intentional, but i don't know why exactly they created that character with this backstory, maybe they thought the rivalry between Britain and France was silly and wanted to show that in the 24th century it would be forgotten. TNG has quite a lot of renaissance era influences and that makes quoting Shakespeare inevitable. Q is actually the vessel for doing self criticism of the show, and in a way Q is a critical figure that questions the ideals of Picard the Shakespeare quoting renaissance man. It's not a racist show, get your head checked out

 No.504749

>>504710
>Boys I've been gone for about 4 years
welcome back

>fucking hell it's all kicking off isn't it?

we don't know

 No.504750

>>504659
>Some of you guys are alright. Don't go to the Ukraine tomorrow.

 No.504751

>>504738
I think people have overestimated how closely America's geopol opponents have coordinated together for the last decade or two. It wasn't until recently that China started opposing instead of supporting, sanctions against the DPRK, a country it's been formally allied with. That an actual mass bloc has now formed as quickly as it has to react to American imperialism says a lot about how late in the game we now actually are. It was unheard of until maybe the last five years maximum.

 No.504752

>>504633
>1499
hitler + 11?

 No.504753

>>504751
The destruction of Lybia and the abuse of UN resolution 1976 was a big wakeup call.

 No.504754


 No.504755

File: 1644653777872.png (41.25 KB, 552x587, diplo.png)


 No.504756

>>504755

this is is the only news in days that has made me believe that the Russians are going in for real

 No.504757


 No.504758

If I have asthma, am I still gonna get drafted?

 No.504759

Putin is confronting NATO now while Russia still has an advantage over NATO in nukes and hypersonic technology. This gap will begin to close soon so he's going for it while the advantage exists.


> Nuclear weapons remain a foundational aspect to Russia’s strategy, and it has recapitalized over 80 percent of its strategic nuclear forces. This includes increased warhead delivery capacity. Modernization efforts of its Strategic Rocket Forces are focused on replacing aging Soviet era road-mobile and silo-based missile systems with modern ICBMs. Russia, as the leading nation in the world in hypersonic technology, for the moment, continues to heavily invest in and develop hypersonic glide vehicles. On the 19th of July, Russia successfully tested the ship-launched Zircon hypersonic cruise missile. They are quite proud of it and publicize it widely. Dual-use capable weapons systems, like the Zircon, raise the level of ambiguity and complicate deterrence efforts across the continuum of conflict. Russia proclaims that the modernized land-based hypersonic glide vehicle, the Avangard, is already “on-duty”.


> Hypersonics are in addition to other novel modernization efforts, such as the Poseidon long-range torpedo and the Skyfall cruise missile. Both are nuclear-powered nuclear-armed weapons which are designed to give Russia asymmetric advantages. These measures present new challenges for our strategic deterrence.


> Russia has over 2,000 non-treaty accountable nuclear weapons employable by ships, aircraft, and ground forces. The use of these nuclear weapons is a critical element to Russia’s security strategy and its willingness to contemplate first-use is a core consideration. Russia declared that it may use nuclear weapons in response to conventional attacks if that state’s existence is threatened. Russia has the capacity to drastically increase its production of nuclear weapons and missiles through facilities and Civil-Military efforts in the design and manufacture of nuclear weapons. Russia has more strategic missile defense than we do, they are nuclear-tipped, and they are improving it.


https://www.stratcom.mil/Media/Speeches/Article/2742875/space-and-missile-defense-symposium/

Russians are basically strapping hypersonic missiles on small frigates and planes that can each take out an aircraft carrier with one hit. Very cost effective.

 No.504760

>-US Navy P8 Poseidon AE6829 orbiting off the coast of #Cyprus -Russian Navy Black Sea Fleet Sergey Balk Tug

 No.504761

Dumb question but why is this a big deal? Russia has already been "invading" Ukraine since 2014. I don't see why Russia sending in a few extra troops to the country is a big deal.

 No.504762

>>504693
lol the people who actually think anything is going to happen keeing pushing back their invasion date
>RUSSIA IS GOING TO INVADE AT THE START OF WINTER
>RUSSIA IS GOING TO INVADE ON CHRISTMAS
>RUSSIA IS GOING TO INVADE ON NEW YEARS
>RUSSIA IS GOING TO INVADE AT THE START OF THE OLYMPICS
>RUSSIA IS GOING TO INVADE AT THE BEGINNING OF FEBURARY
Once Russia doesn't invade again over the next few days they'll push it back to RUSSIA WILL INVADE AT THE START OF SPRING.

 No.504763

>>504762
Exactly. It's just whipping up of fear.

 No.504764

File: 1644657723158.png (123.15 KB, 749x703, 1644656713495.png)

All UK troops to withdraw from Ukraine as Russia could invade `at almost no notice’


Brits are already running away, and the fighting hasn't even started yet: https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1492415892499673093

 No.504765

>>504764
Cos there's not actually any fighting.

 No.504766


 No.504767


 No.504768

>>504766
I'd happily see the majority of the British Army get wiped out by a Russian Grad rocket barrage but it's obviously not happening.

 No.504769

>>504764
It's because they're letting them do it. Selling out their ukrop allies to secure porky's profits from nuclear war.

 No.504770

US to evacuate Ukraine embassy
>WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States is set to evacuate its embassy in Kyiv as Western intelligence officials warn that a Russian invasion of Ukraine is increasingly imminent.
>U.S. officials said the State Department plans to announce early Saturday that virtually all American staff at the Kyiv embassy will be required to leave ahead of a feared Russian invasion.
>A small number of officials may remain in Kyiv but the vast majority of the almost 200 Americans at the embassy will be sent out or relocated to Ukraine’s far west, near the Polish border, so the U.S. can retain a diplomatic presence in the country.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-states-europe-russia-kyiv-ff41abf90650aa5f456cbb6aafa4c5b3

 No.504771

>>504768
well obviously not if they're leaving the country instead of staying behind and doing a radioactive reenactment of the charge of the light brigade.

 No.504772

>>504770
Tfw all those intelligence and kombrador occupation assets are leaving without firing a single shot

 No.504773

>>504771
Do you really think a nuclear war is going to start?

 No.504774

>>504761
Soft power has a shelf life, and proxy diplomacy isn't working.

The American Empire is in its twilight, and it's either war or decline. And capitalist empires never choose decline. Ever.

 No.504775

Lenin hat and King Lear are the same person

 No.504776

>>504775
They aren't.

>>504773
Do you think capitalism's contradictions are sustainable, and you will just go from flashpoint to flashpoint with no escalation?

 No.504777

>>504774
They aren't gonna escalate. They are cucking.

WASHINGTON – President Joe Biden said Thursday he has no plans to send troops into Ukraine to rescue U.S. citizens in the event of a Russian invasion, saying Americans and Russians shooting at each other would amount to a "world war."

“It’s not like we’re dealing with a terrorist organization. We’re dealing with one of the largest armies in the world. It’s a very different situation and things could go crazy quickly," Biden said in an interview with NBC Nightly News' Lester Holt.

Asked if there was a scenario in which he would deploy troops to help evacuate Americans, Biden said: "There's not. That's a world war when Americans and Russia start shooting at one another."

The president repeated a warning for Americans still in Ukraine to leave now, adding: "We’re in a very different world than we’ve ever been."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2022/02/10/biden-evacuate-americans-ukraine-russia/6743874001/

 No.504778

>>504777
Biden is quite retarded and probably doesn't even know the stakes.

 No.504779

I don't think war is happening but lear and lenin hat need to take ther meds seriously.

 No.504780

>>504779
No. Leninhat and Lear are 70% right, 30% wrong

 No.504781

>>504776
No but it's ended by proletarian revolution, not war.

 No.504782

>7x US Army UH-60 Black Hawk DUKE43/44/45/46/47/48/49 from U.S. Army Garrison Wiesbaden heading towards Poland

 No.504783


 No.504784

>>504782
off you fuck m8

 No.504785

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 No.504786

File: 1644669416878.png (56.66 KB, 550x609, germany.png)

germany now advising people to leave

 No.504787

>>504785
Honestly he's right, they put actual efforts in their thoughts and posts, but it's not hard to be right against putin stans dreaming about a global nuclear war, just don't ask them about vaccines and mandates.

 No.504788

>>504747
>Shakespeare is fucking overrated and the people who jerk off to him at school are white supremacists because they support Eurocentrism
worst take ive ever read on this bullshit website

 No.504789

File: 1644673199712.png (109.89 KB, 472x501, Grace1.png)

GUYS I KNOW HOW TO STOP THE BLOODSHED
RUSSO-UKRANIAN [See: Austrian federalism] ROMANOV EMPIRE.
==TRANSNISTRIAN PRESIDENT Vadim Krasnoselsky [MONARCHY APPRECIATOR] AS PROVISIONAL PRIME-MINISTER OF THE DUMA

 No.504790

>>504774
>The American Empire is in its twilight
This may be true but Russia isn't emerging power either.

 No.504791

>>504789
graceposters are by and far the biggest LARP on the internet, please stay in your containment thread

 No.504792

>>504779
There is no medicine for autism.

 No.504793

>>504786
>us
>germany
>israel
>taiwan
Did all the glow countries just have a zoom meeting and agree to collectively evacuate the embassies to scare idiots?

 No.504794

>>504789
Who let you out of /siberia/?

 No.504795

>>504793
Spain is also advising to leave the country asap.

 No.504796

>>504795
Spain is a major EU economy ruled by Blairite socdems in government so they're obviously an integral part of western imperialism as well.

 No.504797

Did Luxemburg evacuate their embassy yet?

 No.504798


 No.504799

>>504795
Italy doing the same but the embassy will stay open. Hopefully we won't repeat the Kabul debacle in which the ambassador escaped and left a low-level diplomat to deal with everything.

 No.504800

>>504798
that's it I'm gonna go do some shopping and stockpile some food, water and potassium iodine tablets, fuck this porky war bullshit

 No.504801

File: 1644680222487.webm (1.66 MB, 330x360, 1642881068328.webm)

>>504798
Anyone got an extra bunker I could borrow?

 No.504802

>>504797
Anon she's dead

 No.504803

File: 1644680547895.gif (1.63 MB, 320x240, tito.gif)

So just as a hypothetical, the elites are going to flee to their private islands and hideaways if a nuclear war is legit about to go down.
Those yachts aren't invisible and some kid on Twitter is even tracking Musk's plane. If you catch the last tweet right before the EMP hits, and you survive the nukes, you could easily go find them and ask for a job. :)

 No.504804

Dang this thread is actually pretty good with lots of chill discussion and very few bait posts. Proud of ya, comrades!

 No.504805


 No.504806

What are you guys' predictions about russia potentially recognizing donetsk and luhansk independence the day after tomorrow?
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-parliament-mulls-delaying-vote-recognising-eastern-ukraine-2022-02-11/

 No.504807

If Putin is going to make a move he will have to do so before March when Ukraine's muddy and cloudy season sets in. Such conditions will make it much more difficult to mobilize and supply armor and coordinate attacks and identify targets using air power.

Putin is in quite the bind. If he backs off from an invasion, he will appear weak and lose face domestically and embolden Nato. And maintaining an army in deployment is costly so it cannot continue. If he invades, he has a war on his hands, with all the uncertainty, chaos, and repercussions that entails. NATO may or may not back up on its claims to come to Ukraine's aid. If they don't, or do so halfheartedly, then Russia has an opening to achieve some of its objectives. If NATO does commit its forces then the situation could drastically spiral out of control and become much more dangerous in scope.

I'm inclined to believe that NATO is probably willing to turn its back on Ukraine to avoid a massive, and potentially nuclear war with Russia. NATO's response to Russia in terms of its deployments of military personnel has been underwhelming in its numbers and strength . Such cautious half-measures indicate that NATO wants to put up appearances of resistance without fully committing.

The one wildcard is war-mongering US and its highly profitable weapons industry and rapacious ruling class. The former stands to profit immensely from the despoliation of Eastern Europe and the latter would jump at the opportunity to take down Putin, a longstanding thorn in their side. The US elites will do everything they can to spark a war.

 No.504808

>>504807
> NATO may or may not back up on its claims to come to Ukraine's aid.
They won't.

 No.504809

>>504806
Seems like it would be a real reason to annex those places

 No.504810


 No.504811

>>504797
The only thing that matters, has Ukraine evacuated Ukraine?
>>504802
Underrated shitpost.

>>504796
They are not even soccdems. The PSOE neoliberalized everything back in the '70s, '80s back when they finally could get rid of mummy's corpse of franco.
They are as liberals as your regular nancy pelosi.
>>504793

No, they are creating the reasons to finally stop NS-II. I guess that's it, the U.S. won.

 No.504812


 No.504813

>Biden and Putin are speaking now, per pool. Call began at 11:04 am eastern

 No.504814

>>504813
This basically confirms an invasion is not happening. If Putin was actually going to invade in the coming days he wouldn't be diplomatically talking with other world leaders about whether he should do it or not.

 No.504815

>>504813
Here's a video of the call

 No.504816

>>504814
He also wouldn't wait for NATO troops to deploy and for Uktraine to prepare defenses.

 No.504817

>>504814
Yeh, but the U.S. is winning on the destruction of the NS-II. Germany is now on the same "leave ukraine now" wagon, which is highly likely to translate into NS-II being stopped. U.S. won.

 No.504818

File: 1644686777397.jpg (82.61 KB, 559x579, FLaMPWrX0AIWa8a.jpg)

I'm a little bit scared anons, not gonna lie

 No.504819

SHUT IT DOWN, THE RUSSIANS HAVE NAMED THE ANGLO

 No.504820

>>504818
Nothing is gonna happen. This is just geopolitical posturing.

 No.504821

>>504814
How do this confirm anything? Putin may ask for some stuff, Biden may say no, Russia may invade. The whole point of this military show is to let the threat be very real and the consequences of an absence of deal be an invasion.

 No.504822

>>504813
>hey jack, can you move your move your troops from mongolia we'd be real happy, we wanna be friends with poland we respect you guys very much
>>504821
Why didn't we reelect Trump bros, he made the best deals.

 No.504823

>>504822
I wish something like this happens under Trump's next term, he'd probably give away top secrets in an interview to avoid looking bad

 No.504824

>>504822
>Why didn't we reelect Trump bros, he made the best deals.
Well he said he would quit NATO which would have solved this (even if he wouldn't have done it probably)

 No.504825

File: 1644689326283.jpg (14.37 KB, 480x360, biden.jpg)

Our president rn

 No.504826

>>504817
How does that work? Germany sank 9 billion into NS2 and it is already built.

 No.504827

>Biden's call with Putin this a.m. was "substantive" but "there was no fundamental change in the dynamic that has been unfolding now for several weeks," per official "Russia may decide to proceed with military action anyway," official said. "Indeed, that is a distinct possibility”
Bros…

 No.504828

>>504826
USA says, Germany obeys.

 No.504829

The Dnieper is the natural border between Russia and civilization anyway

 No.504830

File: 1644691100335.png (569.7 KB, 660x751, dbf.png)

>>504828
>Germany obeys.
>"No more fortnite gas, Germany!"
>Electricity cost goes up like a fucking balloon.
>Venezuela style blackouts.
>Germany is the workhouse of Europe.
>Electricity is a lot more costlier, thus everything turns more expensive, not only in Germany, bit across the whole of Europe.
>Everythings costs goes up (runaway inflation)
>People can't buy them.
>Businesses start defaulting cause no sells.
>This escalates.
>Banks getting not payed by any of it's debts.
>Banks can't function.
>Banks default.
>"Interesting times indeed…"
COMMON, US, FORCE GERMANY TO NOT BUY RUSSIAN GAS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALLS TO DO IT UYGHUR.

 No.504831

>>504830
They will still buy Russian gas they just won't use that pipeline and stick to the Ukrainian transit.

 No.504832

>>504831
Then why all that talk about Germany getting it's gas from the US in boats, or from Israel?
It's a total self inflicted gas blockage, and the US will enforce cause in the short term they will not be the ones to take the toll.

 No.504833

>>504830
Spot of the old hyperinflation, Herr Hans?

 No.504834

>>504829
That's a fascist quote.

 No.504835

>>504827
>there was no fundamental change in the dynamic that has been unfolding now for several weeks
It's almost like westoids understand dialectics.
There was nothing they could say that would stop what's coming. America will sacrifice its little buddies and let Russia secure its borders, and in exchange, they'll pile on every sanction and slander they possibly can. Both sides get what they want, but nobody really wins. And all it costs to maintain the status quo is a bunch of Ukrainian lives.

 No.504836

>>504835
Why would Russia "secure it's borders" like a bunch of retards? Their best tactic is to do nothing.

 No.504837

>>504819
Incredibly brave. Strong sigma-female vibes.

 No.504838

>>504836

If CIA sneaks Azov into Donbass for ethnic cleansing. That's why they released the false flag false flag story, so they can genocide Russian's and say Putin is doing it to his own people for social media likes.

They did that right after the invasion of [Country X], whole bunch of armed fascists went around slaughtering communists and union leaders.

 No.504839

Apparently Biden is saying he won't engage militarily with Russia because America and Russian soldiers "shooting at each other means world war."
If that's the case then, Russia can invade and get away with it. NATO won't go in without the US's support. I'm also somewhat skeptical that the promised economic sanctions will be much of a deterrent. Sanctioning Russia's economy too harshly will reverberate throughout the entire world economy which is already in a fragile and volatile state.

Taking all this into account I would say the probability is high that Russia might invade and get away with it. Putin seems comfortable with shrugging off the political fallout of such a move, as evidenced by his government's repeated rebukes of European negotiators . He might actually believe that Russia can stand alone among the host of nations with token support by China who is not an active player in Eurasian politics.

 No.504840

>>504839
Not to mention that russia is a declining power. A combination of hostile neighbors and the economic stagnation caused by the oligarchy means that territorial security and expansion is the only chance russia has of gaining strength. Ukraine is an easy target because really, it doesnt have a right to exist to begin with.

 No.504841

>>504840
It's not the 19th century anymore you don't gain anything by territorial expansion. Crimea at least was strategic and doesn't have a hostile population residing there.

 No.504842

>>504841
>hostile population residing there
>Guerrilla warfare on plains.
Not happening.

 No.504843

>>504840
>declining power
It's not, it's economy is growing and it has become much more resilient than it was in 2014.

 No.504844

>>504842
you gotta feed them and pay their pensions and shit which his smol economy can't afford it can barely carry Crimea. Unless he's just gonna butcher and enslave all of them .

 No.504845

>>504844
More people means more taxes.
More taxes means more money to pay pensions.
You're stupid.

 No.504846

File: 1644696433996.png (89.26 KB, 1000x743, 263772 (1).png)

>>743021
> half
11%

 No.504847

>>743021
Resilient =! Bigger

 No.504848

>>504846
Sorry more like 15% I didn't see that it said 2026 on the last figure

 No.504849

>Today, at least 11 US and Ukrainian aircraft flew ISR sorties over Europe: USN P-8As (4 PK12x, 3 PS12x); USAF RC-135W (JAKE11), RQ-4 (FORTE12); US Army ARTEMIS (BRIO68); Ukrainian TB2 (no callsign)

 No.504850


>>504799
<L'ambasciata resta aperta

DiMaioChads stay winning

 No.504851

>>504826
9 billion is pocket change for Germany, more so if diluted in more than one year.

Besides that anon in >>504828 gets it right.

 No.504852

> they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.

You know quickly rising nationalism is one consequence of when you're under attack. I wonder if America or any other European country got invaded how many nazis and fascists would start crawling out.

 No.504853

>>743021
>>504846
Post ppp numbers. And besides, as noted, more resilient is not a measure of size. All this talk of "Putin ruined Russia" is US propaganda pur sang, even if you try and put a leftist spin on it by whining about pension reform and whatnot.

 No.504854

>>504852
Really depends on who invades, "nationalists" are perfectly happy to collaborate with an invader if they see the fighting force of their country as leftist. See the Paris commune or the international SS divisions

 No.504855

>>504849
>Today, many penis aircraft flew ISR sorties over Europe: USN P-8As (4 PK12x, 3 PS12x), but also (8 kxP 3w7); USAF RC-135W (JAKE11-7WAC), RQ-4 (FORTE12/mGe-12); US Army ARTEMIS (BRIO68 & BRIO 77); Ukrainian TB2 (no callsign)

ppl think this is news

 No.504856

>>504826
>Germany sank 9 billion into NS2
>>504851
>9 billion is pocket change for Germany
Imagine if China "valued" each of its citizens at $1.

 No.504857

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>>504849
RC-135W are signals intelligence planes designed to listen, geolocate and scoop up communications and then relay them elsewhere. They'll also have trained Russian speakers on board manning the computers.

 No.504858

>>504817
>Germany is now on the same "leave ukraine now" wagon
yeah, but no german official or politician has publicly promised to drop Nordstream if Russia does X. Germany pulling parts of embassy staff means nothing and is most likely just because "other countries did it". It has been almost comical how Germans have circled around sanctioning nordstream it when asked or pressured by the media. It is likely some foreign policy degree from up high that nobody is meant to cross when talking publicly. If Germans were ever to promise such thing they now that US would manufacture the setting where they would be forced to act. If Germany were ever to declare "we will cancel nordstream II approval process if Russia attacks Ukraine; That would mean that glowies would be instantly sent to the case to start a border skirmish or appearance of one in Ukraine and use that to put Germany on the spot to either to wreck their foreign policy and reputation or cancel nordstream and wreck their economy. Germans know this and probably think in similar lines. Because Germany has said nothing it somewhat lessens the risk that US or Ukrainians will be incentivize to do something like that. Not that it removes the risk of NATO escalation or false flag, because they still might do it if they get desperate enough.

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>>504857
Here's a recent flight track.

 No.504860

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>New @StateDept message to US citizens in Ukraine tonight urges them again to leave ASAP and thru Polish-Ukrainian border. "Poland has indicated to the U.S. government that U.S. citizens may now enter Poland through the land border with Ukraine. No advanced approval is required

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 No.504862

>>504860
Lmao if ur not vaxxed u can't leave

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 No.504864

>>504858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

Just look at this. At the end when chancellor Scholz is pressured on norstream, he wriggles around it. yeah Germany is US' bitch, but Scholz just refuses to say "we will pull the plug on NS-II if Russia attacks Ukraine". It would be so easy and beneficial to say it right then and there, if your goal is just to suck up to the burgers, but he actively refuses to do it. NS2 is that important for Germany that it worth it to piss off the Americans over it.

 No.504865

>>504864
Well his own German porky needs that cheap energy to stay competitive i

 No.504866

>>504864
>Germany that it worth it to piss off the Americans over it
And biden already said that they would put a halt to such scenario. The german-anon was pissed in the US-Pol thread pointing out how biden threaten to war his country.
More and more it's clearing the clouds and what they want. 100% no doubts at this point. All is the NS-II.
Perhaps other things are also important, but this is the most important.

 No.504867

>>504866

>biden already said


Why do you pretend this guy is in charge of anything his word is meaningless he is senile and it is the staffers and intelligence running the show

 No.504868

>>504852
>defending nazis
They were around from the start

 No.504869

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OH NO NO NO JOURNOBROS!!

 No.504870

>The Australian Government will evacuate its embassy in Kyiv, amid warnings a Russian invasion of Ukraine is imminent
Another one joins the list.

 No.504871

>>504869
Incel Walker

 No.504872

>>504840
They put a lot of investment into their military. They're very much in the top 5-10.

According to this random website which ranks : #2

>According to Global Firepower’s data, Russia possesses the most tanks in the world: 12,950, which is more than double the number of tanks the United States has. Nearly 1 million active people are in charge of commanding 27,038 armored vehicles, 6,083 units of self-propelled artillery, and 3,860 rocket projectors on land.


>Russia’s air force consists of 873 fighter planes and 531 assault helicopters in the skies above. With 62 submarines and 48 mine warfare ships, they have a formidable arsenal in the sea. To put it another way, Russia’s military budget is expected to total $48 billion.


https://www.thetealmango.com/featured/strongest-militaries-in-the-world/

 No.504873

>>504870
>NATO pullout
wtf i love russia now

 No.504874

>>504869
Virgin vs chax

 No.504875

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>>504872
Most of their tanks are probably old garbage, fucking Greece has more tanks than the UK, France, Germany, Italy and Spain combined but it doesn't actually matter, because they are there mostly to make the Germans and the Americans richer

 No.504876

>>504869
They were dudes.

 No.504877

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>>504867
because that's part of the charade? Even Putin himself said he was sharper than the media claimed, including RT. The rest of the people prefer to go along with what is obvious, what is not obvious is that he can claim senility if something goes terribly wrong. a.k.a. do a reagan 2.0.

>>504875
Well, yeah, the difference between Greece and Russia is that Russia tanks are made, and upgraded.

 No.504878

So if Russia does invade what’s their goal? Are they planning on annexing Ukraine or just overthrowing the current Zelensky government and replacing it with a more Kremlin friendly one?

 No.504879

>>504878
re-establish communism

 No.504880

Holy shit either invade or don't, my tendies hate this volatility

 No.504881

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>>504846
>acquires new territory with business and people
>economy collapses anyway
Wtf is the point in invading if you’re gonna lose out in the long run through sanctions?

 No.504884

Better this than that reddit tier crap map again, no?

 No.504885

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>>504884
This guy usually plagiarizes Stratfor. He is Azeri and anti-Iran/Russia and pro-Turkey/NATO/USA.

https://worldview.stratfor.com/topic/ukraine-conflict

That map looks like its from this article.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/russias-possible-invasion-ukraine

He got called out a lot recently for extreme bias. Sad to see this video getting so many views.

 No.504886

>>504881
What country is rocket man standing in?

 No.504887

>>504878
Just gaining territory on NATO/showing that NATO expansion will always be unacceptable

 No.504888

>>504887 (me)
I doubt they will "invade" but if they do it's just for the separatist regions, not for the entirety of Ukraine

 No.504889

>>504885
Absolutely owned
>>504884
No it is not better

 No.504890

>>504885
He was very biased on the Ethiopian video, and the day after the video was uploaded most of his predictions were wrong

 No.504891

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>>504883
Crimea is one of the most subsidized regions only behind the likes of Chechnya so they didn't gain anything monetarily by annexing it

 No.504892

>>504891
Wow. That was useless

 No.504893

>>504892
>being bad at geopol

 No.504894

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10506599/Hillary-Clintons-campaign-paid-tech-firm-infiltrate-Trump-Tower-White-House-servers.html
Hillary Clinton's campaign paid tech firm to 'infiltrate' Trump Tower and White House servers in an attempt to link Donald Trump to Russia, new filing from Special Counsel John Durham says

 No.504895

>>504891
Crimea hosts Russia's only warm water port (doesn't freeze in the winter). This means it is an absolutely vital chokepoint in its economy, both imports and exports. Crimea as a province is subsidized but Russia indirectly benefits from it immensely. I think it's also the biggest reason why Russia fears NATO expanding to Ukraine: if Ukraine attacks Crimea (which they've repeatedly stated they want to do) then alliance members would be obligated to join its war against Russia.

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>>504893
I think too much like a capitalist and see things through a monetary reason.

 No.504897

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>>504895
what the fuck do you think these are?

 No.504898

>>504897
Now I feel like an idiot. Russia does have a massive naval base on Crimea however, and from public statements on both sides it definitely seems to be the most important territory they're fighting for

 No.504899

>>504897
>It's one naval base. What does it need but a coastline?

 No.504900

>>504897
I think Sochi is mainly a civilian port and lacks the infrastructure needed for the Black Sea Fleet. Taganrog is the other one used by it, the main is Sevastopol and Kerch in Crimea. I think it has more to do with denying more NATO countries the ability to gain naval control over the Black Sea. Right now Russia only really has to deal with Turkey.

 No.504901

>>504830
It’s a giant fucking scam cooked up by the Burgers.

 No.504902

>>504900
Why can’t the fag Russians just build up the port?

 No.504903

>>504899
Well yeah they were gonna move the Black Sea fleet to Novorossiysk in case Ukraine didn't renew the lease

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_of_Novorossiysk

 No.504904

>>504899
If you have another materialist explanation for the conflict that's not
>muh evil Putin is invading to bully the poor Ukrainians"
I'm all ears

 No.504905

>>504902
Why build a new one when you already have one in Crimea that you've been using on lease for decades until Kiev started sperging out lol

 No.504906

>>504905
Because if you annex Crimea, the Burgers will sanction you.

 No.504907

>>504904
What the fuck? Where did I ever insinuate that? I'm on Russia's side.

 No.504908

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>>504884
>skip shill intro
>"The Kremlin has a particular allergy to Democracy. That's just how it's wired.
>mfw

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>>504904
what could it possibly be

 No.504910

>>504908
>"The Kremlin has a particular allergy to Democracy. That's just how it's wired."

 No.504911

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>>504910
>"The Kremlin has a particular allergy to Democracy. That's just how it's wired."

 No.504912

>>504886
None, the soldier was rocket-jumping , terrorizing the streets and civil engineers when he found the stalemate, called them all a bunch of frilly pants sissies then crit rocket-jumped past the horizon before anyone could say anything to the screaming man.

 No.504913

I just realized that satellite technology makes doing sneak attack invasions is basically impossible now. Before satellites a massive army could be assembled and unless the enemy country had spies in the area, would have no idea that they were about to be invaded. Nowadays a country can know they're going to be invaded the moment they start assembling the troops on the border. Really the only surprise element left is when exactly they actually start the invasion.

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>>504913
How did they sneak attack into Crimea then?

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>>504911
>Almost… genetically driven

 No.504916

>>504914
Ukraine doesn't have spy sats, their government was in the process of being overthrown when it happened and Russia didn't use conventional forces or tactics to take it.

 No.504917

>>504914
They were already mostly there, I think. Russia was using the naval bases in Crimea on lease at the time

 No.504918

>>504885
That's funny because even the boss of Stratfor said that Maidan was the world's most obvious coup.
>“Russia calls the events that took place at the beginning of this year a coup d’etat organized by the United States. And it truly was the most blatant coup in history.”
>“About three years ago, in one of my books, I predicted that as soon as Russia starts to increase its power and demonstrate it, a crisis would occur in Ukraine.”
https://newcoldwar.org/stratfor-chiefs-most-blatant-coup-in-history-interview-from-dec-2014/

 No.504919

>>504915
for real tho that guy talks like a nazi

 No.504920

>>504916
The US has spy sats that look at anything interesting. Also the separatists existed as a real force well before the whole affair, since the dissolution of the USSR actually.

 No.504921

>7 (seven) full threads about a nothing burger
the absolute state of leftypol

 No.504922

>>504921
no they just announced that putin has decided and given the order they're going to invade on tuesday, but that it may happen before then, or after then.

 No.504923

>>504918
>It has been a very busy few days for Ukraine's parliament. They just reinstated the 2004 constitution, which basicly turns Ukraine back to a parliamentary system rather than a presidential one. The parliament also appointed a new interior minister and speaker of the parliament (both which are part of the Fatherland Party, led by the recently freed Yulia Tymoshenko), and now the parliament is moving to impeach measures against former President, Viktor Yanukovych. Or should I say current president? Because even before the impeachment proces started, the parliament dismissed Yanukovych, on grounds that he was incapable of fulfilling his presidential duties. This is very dubious because technically speaking such a charge does not excist in Ukraine's constitution. Im not defending the legitimacy Yanukovych, but the parliament simply bypassed the entire impeachment proces and thus acted against their own constitution, therefore one can argue whether this was a coup or not.

 No.504924

>>504875
Soviet-school tanks are vastly superior to Western crap, though. So Russia's tanks in an event of war will get x10 quantity modifier to help Westerners cope with their inferior tank quality.

 No.504925

>>504924
BTW, Wolrd of Tanks initially tried to model real-life physics of tank battles, and Soviet tanks were outperforming everyone. So, everyone cried "Russian bias", and devs patched up Western crap to Soviet standards. In a similar manner, Grisby's War in the East just like gives Soviets flat 50k attrition losses per turn. Try it out yourself, lol - just decrease difficulty sliders all the way down, and enjoy flat 50k losses when Germans don't even attack. Oh, and Paradox needs to give USSR crappy generals in charge, worse doctrine and such. Hilarious shit, isn't it

 No.504926

>>504922
Yeah If I'm Putin I just gotta keep to American media invasion schedule

 No.504927

>>504925
Did they do it badly? Because Warthunder is doing fine. Except Brits want to kill themselves.

 No.504928

>>504911
>>504915
>>504919
>for real tho that guy talks like a nazi
Yeah there's something extra fucked up with the bourgeoisie that they keep bringing back the ethno-hate goons.

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 No.504930

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>>504929
>oh yeah, well we beat a war exhausted Iraq that had export version of an old model!
>check-m8 tankies
Do NATOuighurs really?

 No.504931

>>504930
> T-72's
> Old model
> Iraqi's can't fight
cope

 No.504932

If Russia will be invading the tanks will still be T-72's.

 No.504933

>>504930
Actually they had the same armour as Soviet t-72s.

 No.504934

>>504931
The export version tank the Iraqis used were super stripped down budget versions that didn't even have motorized turrets, Iraqis soldier were hand cranking their turrets during battles.

 No.504935

You can upgrade most tanks actually, it's just not usually economically viable. I know that the DPRK upgraded a bunch of Syrian tanks for a low cost, but normally it's more cost effective to just buy a new tank. If you're the manufacturer of said tank, it's probably not that crazy of an idea to keep the old ones around and upgrade them if things get a little too hot. One of the benefits of being sanctioned is probably access to DPRK miltech kek, not to mention after sanctions you have no choice but to upgrade the tanks locally and "locally" with foreign help.
Russia is in a unique position as the original tank manufacturer of these units, so it could be fine for them. That might be why they're all still sitting around in the RF rather than sold off for hard cash. They'll never be up to scratch of a modern tank, but you know what they say, quantity has a quality of its own.

 No.504936

>>504875
But when the west mobilizes their economy, economic determinism kicks in

 No.504937

Why Washington Has Lost Its Mind Over Ukraine


What did we just witness? I refer to the two-month frenzy that seized the Western media, in which Vladimir Putin was massing 175,000 troops on Ukraine’s border for an invasion to begin right about now. The Washington Post led on December 3, 2021, with those big numbers and was duly followed by others. A gigantic massing of forces was taking place. Putin was threatening an invasion and had mobilized his forces to accomplish the final breakage of Ukraine. President Joe Biden was a believer, ordering evacuations from embassies in Ukraine and Belarus. He told Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy in late January that blood would almost certainly flow in the streets of Kiev, the national capital; “prepare for impact” sometime soon, probably in February.

And then a surprising thing happened. The Ukrainian president, the guy whose lead we were apparently following, said, in effect, cut it out. Not true. You’re panicking people in Ukraine, hurting its economy, and besides the Russian troop movements were really nothing out of the ordinary.

The Ukraine Narrative wobbled with that development. The people of Ukraine, who were soon to be flattened, were nonchalant while the distant superpower was on the edge of a nervous breakdown. Everyone involved among U.S. and Ukrainian officials then denied that the great rupture had happened, though of course, it did happen. It tells us something very revealing about the prospects for war.

Zelensky Acts Up

Biden made it clear in December that no U.S. forces were going to be deployed to Ukraine in the event of a Russian invasion, ruling out U.S. participation in a war but touting the threat of devastating economic sanctions as a deterrent. Biden also distinguished between a minor and a major Russian incursion, in what was widely held by the commentariat to be a gaffe. Zelensky complained about this, tweeting, “We want to remind the great powers that there are no minor incursions and small nations. Just as there are no minor casualties and little grief from the loss of loved ones. I say this as the President of a great power.” After telling Biden to chill on the invasion-mongering, he taunted the administration at a press conference: “Tell us openly we will never get into NATO.” Zelensky had heard loud and clear the Washington message, as recalibrated by Biden in December: Accept an offer from Moscow? Politically impossible, morally reprehensible. Prepare to fight them? Are you mad?

It is as if American Maximalism, the neocon policy canonized by Stephen Sestanovich, had finally met its match in the “no more war” sentiment among the American people. These two imperatives, pointing toward a posture of total hostility that is also emphatically short of war, doubtless float in the president’s brain as basic parameters of policy. But Biden’s stance—super-aggressive but also super-cautious—did not sit well with the Ukrainians.

This contretemps between the leader of the Free World and the president of the Ukrainian “great power” was very disturbing to the Washington establishment. They thought that Zelensky had flubbed his performance. He was apparently unaware of his proper role. “We’re his most important ally and he’s poking us in the eye and creating daylight between Washington and Kyiv,” said a senior administration official. “It’s self-sabotage more than anything else.”

Why War is Off the Table, for Now

The most striking implication of Zelensky’s comments is that the war scare was made in the United States. To understand why Zelensky doesn’t think a war is imminent, we must go back to April when the first great scare of a Russian invasion occurred. The preceding year, Azerbaijan had demonstrated in its conflict with Armenia that Turkish and Israeli drones could smash entrenched positions and rout the defenders. The Atlantic Council, the eyrie of Washington’s Ukraine hawks, immediately noted the relevance of this demonstrated new capability to the frozen conflict in the Donbas.

The new team at the White House, closely following a script announced by the Atlantic Council, declared that Crimea and the Donbas must be put back on the table. That meant, explained a Biden official, a “very extensive and almost constant focus on Ukraine from day one.” In the view of Democrats, Donald Trump had been a shameless appeaser of Putin; indeed, he was Putin’s puppet. This narrative, to be sure, was dubious in the extreme, as Trump the ostensible appeaser surrounded himself with advisors—H.R. McMaster, Mike Pompeo, Nikki Haley, James Mattis, and John Bolton—who regularly blasted Russia in scalding tones. But though the narrative may have been wrong, it was theirs. The Democrats believed it. Where Biden and Secretary of State Antony Blinken largely followed Trump’s line on China, they broke sharply with him over Ukraine.

The Ukrainian government hailed the new administration and set forth a platform for the return of Donbas and Crimea. Then on April 3, 2021, Ukraine’s military announced on Facebook that military exercises would be conducted with five NATO powers in Ukraine’s eastern regions later in the year. “In particular,” it said, “defensive actions will be worked out, followed by an offensive in order to restore the state border and territorial integrity of a state that has been subjected to aggression by one of the hostile neighboring countries.”

Russia’s callup of reserves—which both now and in April was interpreted by U.S. intelligence as reflecting plans for a gigantic invasion—was in direct response to these three important developments: a startling new demonstration of the effectiveness of drone-led offensive operations, a new U.S. posture toward Ukraine-related issues that was far more aggressive than Trump’s, and the declaration by Ukraine’s military that they were working on a plan to drive the Russians out of the occupied territories. When Biden said in December that the United States would not commit forces to Ukraine in the event of a war, it took the legs out from under this plan.

The United States now vehemently denies that there was any idea of retaking the Donbas by force and that this is an invention of Russian propagandists. From the outside, it is impossible to know how far these plans advanced and how seriously they were taken, but to say that the Russians had no basis for thinking that something was afoot is clearly absurd. What is the explanation for the April 3 Facebook post by Ukraine’s military? Were they the unfortunate victims, like Joy Reid, of a malicious hack? If the Azerbaijani war had no military significance for the Donbas, why did the Atlantic Council argue that it did?

It is obvious that Ukraine’s military has sought an Azerbaijani-like capability in the past year, and little doubt that the United States has facilitated the acquisition of one. But it is equally obvious that no such plan can be put in motion if the U.S. attitude is what Biden and Blinken said it was in December. The Ukrainians were optimistic about getting such a pledge from the Americans during the previous year—that is, getting an American backstop if they sought to regain their lost territories by force, replaying the Georgia option of 2008 but this time with American guarantees. Their hopes are now deflated. Hence Zelensky’s taunt: just tell straight out that that we cannot join NATO, that is, that you intend to leave us in the lurch with regard to our lost territories.

The View from Russia


The air is thick with wild interpretations of Russian motives. As portrayed in the Western press, it is Putin and the Russians who are thirsting to change the status quo. He wants to conquer and absorb Ukraine. He wants to restore the Soviet Union. He wants to bring Russia to the geopolitical position the Soviet Union had in 1945. He wants to evict the United States from Europe. Since our Russia experts proceed on the assumption that you cannot believe a word he says, they are freed from all evidentiary restraint in their explication of what Putin wants. Since they rule out by hypothesis that he could conceivably have defensive motives, we are left with the choice of aims ranging from the aggressively obnoxious to the insanely aggressive.

The hawks are not ashamed to make stuff up. Putin, they say, is daily threatening war to take over Ukraine. No, that is what the United States and its media sycophants are saying that Putin is saying and doing. He says the military deployments are nothing. The Russian Foreign Ministry reminds people just about every day that it is not threatening any such war.

On Putin’s putative desire to conquer and absorb Ukraine, consider that Ukraine, a nation of 43.3 million people, would be impossible to rule effectively and profitably from Moscow, while the attempt to do so would emphatically impose huge financial and political costs. One of the pristine memories of Soviet history is that when Josef Stalin ordered his mercilessly cruel and wholly irrational campaign of dekulakization and collectivized agriculture, the Ukrainian peasantry burned half its grain and killed half its livestock rather than surrender it to the commissars.

U.S. intelligence has focused laser-like on the course and objectives of a Russian invasion, but what they have ignored, as they did in 2003 (Iraq) and 2011 (Libya), is what comes after Mission Accomplished. They are thinking about the forces required for an invasion like that which the United States undertook in Iraq, but the real numbers game, as we subsequently discovered in that now dimly remembered war, must take into account the forces required for an occupation. In sizing such forces, military historians identify ratios of one soldier for sixty people in unfriendly terrain, and a one to 100 ratio in friendlier environs. As Ukraine would be more like the former than the latter for Russia, that generates a force requirement of 721,000, way beyond existing Russian capabilities. Even the lesser number of 430,000 would require stripping the rest of the country of its defenses and imposing onerous new requirements for conscripts, a veritable mass mobilization. One does wonder if the U.S. officials predicting the imminent ingurgitation of this indigestible mass ever look beyond the first fifteen days of the plan they have implanted in the mind of the Russian military. On the surface, at least, U.S. “intelligence” appears not too bright, because it posits a complete disconnection between the ends foreseen and the means available. Putin, it is reasonable to assume, is not so blind.

The problem with conquering Ukraine is not primarily a function of the Ukrainian willingness to fight a guerilla war, but the impossibility of making any positive and profitable use of the territory after a big invasion. It is like asking the Russians whether they want to repeat the Holodomor. No, they don’t. The high-end numbers provided by “senior administration officials,” even if given a credence they do not deserve, are still totally inadequate if seen in relation to the political goals they say that Putin has in mind. Forgotten is that Putin’s central critique of both the Iraq invasion of 2003 and the Libyan invasion of 2011 is that the Americans proclaimed a victory and left anarchy. Why would he want to repeat those fiascos?

Ukraine is Not a Country

It is now said repeatedly by our talking heads that Putin denies that Ukraine is even a country. In their reconstruction, Putin thinks it is totally illegitimate and therefore ripe for takeover. “When you say things like, ‘Ukraine does not now and has never had a right to exist as a sovereign state, there is no such thing as the Ukrainian people,’ where does your rhetoric go from there?” asked a senior Western intelligence officer. The media cite Putin’s 5,000-word essay in July 2021 detailing the history of Russia’s relations with Ukraine. But Putin’s argument in that essay is totally different from what it has been represented to be by our media parrots, who in this case have definitely learned to speak but cannot read. In brief, Putin’s pitch was this:

Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus share a common history. For long stretches of time, their inhabitants considered themselves “a triune people comprising Velikorussians, Malorussians and Belorussians” rather than separate Slavic peoples. The Ukrainians, however, declared their independence and opted for separation rather than common nationhood. How do you treat such a people, Putin asked, and said there was only one answer: “with respect!” His essay explicitly acknowledged the right of the Ukrainians to form a separate and independent state. His language was that of a husband pleading with his wife not to leave him, while acknowledging that she has the right to do so and even some reason to do so. At least she shouldn’t hate him.

The nub of Putin’s argument concerned the terms of the divorce. He wrote that the Ukrainians, in deciding to leave, could not take out of the partnership more than they’d brought in the first place. The critical year was 1922, when the Ukrainian communists joined with the Russian communists and others to make the treaty that formed the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. At that time, Crimea was not part of Ukraine, though the Donbas was. Nor were the territories in the west that Stalin annexed in 1940 in the aftermath of the Nazi-Soviet Pact.

Putin’s discussion of the 1924 Soviet constitution and the right of secession it conferred is very revealing. He insists that this provision of the constitution was real and had to be respected, though it was also written at a time when the source of cohesion lay in central party control, so was effectively meaningless during the party’s reign. His conclusion, however, is clear: the Soviet Constitution, however defectively, did indeed provide a right of secession in 1924, reaffirmed in 1936, and on this basis, Ukraine had a right to secede. Far from making a claim for all Ukraine, he didn’t even make a claim to the Donbas. He pointed out that the Donbas and some surrounding areas were included in Ukraine at Lenin’s insistence, as part of the Bolshevik scheme for managing the minorities question, but acknowledged that Ukraine came into the union with those territories. There was, he wrote, still no alternative to the Minsk agreements, which explicitly recognize the Donbas as part of Ukraine.

Putin’s stated vision for Russia and Ukraine is not absorption into a common state, but the sort of relationship that exists between the United States and Canada, in which people who share a common ancestry cooperate and profit from their relationship, while still having separate states.

The reader will at this point object that I am making Putin seem very reasonable. Could it be? Don’t you know he’s a liar? That you can’t trust anything he says and therefore you can make him say anything you want? What is most objectionable about these objections is that they aren’t really about Putin at all, but about Russia and Russians. It is the Russian viewpoint, not Putin’s viewpoint as such, that is destitute of legitimacy in the eyes of America’s officialdom and commentariat.

The real guarantee of these views is not Putin’s bona fides but the nature and character of the people he rules. The biggest thing that our imaginative Russia experts miss is that Putin is constrained by Russian public opinion. By repeatedly chanting “autocracy,” they make it seem as if Putin is entirely disjoined from his nation, which is not so. The Russian nation sees the obvious point that the conquest of Ukraine would inevitably come at the expense of the Russian people. The hawks actually twist themselves into contradictions here, because they say that Putin is in fact deeply unpopular and yet he’s going to do the thing for which there is very little support in Russian opinion, and which would further rouse the Ukrainian nation against him. It’s like they expect him to commit hari-kari.

The Russian steps to increase readiness on Ukraine’s frontier give the impression that Russia will fight if the Ukrainians attempt to drive them from Crimea or the Donbas. Their determination, and that of the Russian public, is rock solid on the point of Crimea but much more ambivalent about the Donbas. It is unlikely that Putin would have difficulty rallying public support for a Russian intervention if the Ukrainians tried an Azerbaijani-type operation to reclaim the Donbas and that should certainly be taken as a red line by the United States. The critical point for Russia is not that it wants to annex these territories—on that point, public opinion is divided—but that it will not allow the Ukrainians to conduct a “cleansing” of Russophones from the area. The people of the Donbas want annexation by Russia, but the formula of the Minsk Accords—federal autonomy for the Donbas within Ukraine—is perfectly acceptable to Putin. The United States, by contrast, says that Minsk is the right formula but gives complete support to the Ukrainian refusal to do what is required of it under the accords. Blinken says that it is Russia who is not fulfilling Minsk. The record says otherwise. The Ukrainian government has rejected for some years the critical provision of the accords mandating autonomy for the Donbas.

The main argument against my thesis that Putin does not want or intend to invade Ukraine is that he might feel forced to intervene in part of it in response to the ongoing repression of the Russian interest by the Ukrainian government. Ukraine has done a lot of things in the last year—implementing a language law that is discriminatory against Russian-speaking Ukrainians, shutting down the TV networks, and seizing the assets and charging with treason Victor Medvedchuk, a long-time Putin friend and the voice of Russophones in the east—those certainly look like serious oppressions to Putin and the Russians. The Russians have a declared interest in the rights of the Russophone population of Ukraine. I admit that this constitutes a potentially compelling motive for them. That it could constitute such a motive is a telling commentary on the utter indifference that U.S. policy has displayed for thirty years toward the rights of Russian speakers in the protectorates it has embraced along Russia’s western border.

Granting, therefore, that the vigorous anti-Russian turn in Ukrainian policy is seen as a big problem by Putin, it remains very difficult to see how the use of force would solve it for him. There is talk about such a rescue operation by some Russophones, but not Russian officials or legislators. No way exists of getting a clear read on how the Russophone population outside Donbas would react to a Putin move to save them with a military invasion, but I don’t think it would be favorable even in the short term, for the simple reason that it could not be clean and would entail significant human and material losses. For the majority of Ukraine’s Russophones, I think that would look like a bad bargain and not something they would want. If they don’t want it, there would be minimal desire in Russia to give it to them.

Lessons Learned, Gains Consolidated

So, Biden was wrong and Zelensky was right. There will be no war. The one in the east, as a consequence of a Ukrainian reconquest of the Donbas or Crimea, has been put on extended hiatus. The one conjured up by U.S. intelligence is a fiction. That war is not imminent does not mean that it’s entirely foreclosed down the road, as the arms buildup and the war of venomous accusation is intrinsically dangerous. So, too, the probable motives of both Russia and the United States, which argue strongly against an imminent war, may change. The misperceptions which now rule the day in Washington, especially a view of the adversary which sees it as basically deranged, are not a good omen.

A lingering question remains. Did Washington’s alarmists really believe it themselves, or has consent been manufactured by a war scare whose utility they plainly saw, but the details of which they didn’t really believe? It’s a tough choice between the two, with alternative one telling us that they’ve been playing it straight and alternative two suggesting that we’ve all been the objects of a calculated plan by guys playing four-dimensional chess. The conclusion I reach, with some awkwardness, is that both alternatives, though seemingly contradictory, have been at play in Washington’s funhouse mirror, thick with distorted shapes and grotesque visages. What cannot be denied is that the war scare, with the media dutifully performing its stenographic role, has brought great advantages to the hawks. The LNG folks have made considerable progress in their campaign to prevent the opening of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. The increased deployments to Eastern Europe and arms sales to Ukraine gratify the interests of the military-industrial complex. The anti-Russia coalition, which draws as much from sheer ideological enmity as anything resembling self-interest, has advanced its campaign to gain legal authority from Congress to impose a total shutdown in relations with Russia. That looks to me like three wins for the hawks.

The cleverest feature of the administration’s approach is that, when there is no war, Biden and Blinken can claim that it was all due to them and their solid statesmanship. Deterrence has been successful! Our firm leadership made it so! We’re not quite at that part in the unraveling of the plot, but getting closer, as U.S. intelligence seems not to be getting its predicted 175,000 troops. At the last congressional briefing on February 5, the latest intelligence estimate was that 130,000 troops were mobilized, with only 62,000 combat forces deployed, scattered all around Ukraine’s periphery. Count on it, the reduction in future numbers (as the Russian exercises wind down) will be attributed to the wise leadership of the Biden administration.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-washington-has-lost-its-mind-over-ukraine-200513

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 No.504941

File: 1644734086059.jpg (105.79 KB, 1450x1109, iran bases.jpg)

>>504881
Sharts getting a taste of their own medicine and they don't like it. Typical.
The mutt cries out in pain as he strikes at you.

 No.504942

>>504881
poor little nato. i fel sorry for him

 No.504943

>>504937
good post

 No.504944

Did we winned yet?

 No.504945

>>504894
Chynah

 No.504946

File: 1644742050163.png (22.32 KB, 803x200, dangerous pipes.png)

just to be sure i understand this conflict:
>US wants to balkanize russia and secure its resources for burger porkies
>EU wants to be more politically independent of the US and form its own imperialist bloc
>germany makes pipeline deal with russia in pursuit of this goal
>US spends years trying to undermine the deal and sanctions it, EU ignores the sanctions and declares them invalid under international law
>wanting to keep the EU under its thumb and seeing an opportunity to isolate russia, the US manufactures a crisis in an attempt to get them to fall back in line
>US even threatens to scrap germany's pipeline entirely (???) if they don't get their way
>while balking at sanctions on russia or closing down the pipeline the EU bourgeoisie is still divided, so the US is issuing more and more dire warnings about the imminent danger to force them to take a stand against "russian aggression"
>all the while ukraine's economy is crashing because no one wants to invest in a country that's about to be invaded
how does this end? i don't think the US is going to let the EU even slightly free of its grasp without a fight

 No.504947

>Two "Phoenix Air" Gulfstreams III N163PA N197PA visited Kyiv Boryspil in Ukraine last night and are returning now. Could be evacuating American staff

 No.504948

>Another American evacuation flight candidate: "Omni Air International" (U.S. Government Contractor) N207AX climbing out of Kyiv, Ukraine as OAE9014. Identity hidden by Flightradar24

 No.504949

File: 1644743554883.png (203.69 KB, 867x488, ClipboardImage.png)

U.S. poll

 No.504950

>>504949
fucking boomers man

 No.504951

>>504949
>61%
>55%
>55%
what the fuck thats awesome
i was expecting 15% 10% 5%

 No.504952

>>504942
isn't that the vomit fermented tofo?

 No.504953

>>504946
Critical support for the European Union in their Anti-Imperialist struggle against their American overlords!!!!

 No.504954

>>504949
lmao, of course those most in favor of war are those who can't be drafted.

 No.504955

>>504930
>Reminder that iraqi infantry didn't evdn know how to fire RPGs.
One thing is one tank being better than the other, and another is facing an absolutely incompenent army who also had old equipment.

 No.504956


 No.504957

>>504918
>"But until the early 1990s Europe, in essence, was occupied by the Soviet Union and the United States".
Nazi drivel.

 No.504958

>>504946
>how does this end?
Plunder. The US endgame is to turn the EU into a milk cow - having them buy LNG in stead of Russian gas is just the last example; others is the tech sector, which does not really exist in the EU, totally dependent on the US. It's the plan to finance the empire in decline.

 No.504959

File: 1644752371549-1.jpg (218.17 KB, 1076x1200, 22391090_0.jpg)

>Private jet (P4-888) from Moscow to Ukraine
This might be important guys.

 No.504960

>>504958
>The US wants to turn Europe into a colony.
Like the snake that eats it's own tail.

 No.504961

File: 1644754469931.mp4 (1.49 MB, 640x360, Nukes_Ukraine_Vaush.mp4)

Forgot how stupid this motherfucker is

 No.504962

>>504961
I can't believe how so many "leftists" so quickly drunk down the "Nato is only defensive" bullshit.
Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan. Not Defensive. Also using Color revolutions to push "naw" Governments into NATO membership has been a thin for like over a decade now.

 No.504963

>>504961
>>504962
What do you expect? Those beard dude similar like Dugin couldn't be trusted. Whatever they're sperging, its all lame bullshit.

 No.504964

>>504962
never waste time with this type of parasite that would defend iraq wmd's being true if he was of age at the time, he is just a neocon that travestites himself an leftist to damage the left wing tought and empower the right wing tought in the internet.

 No.504965

>>504963
what has Agent Kochinski to do with dugin

 No.504966

>>504961
>nooo it's good when my emplo- I mean my country does it but it's bad when Roosha does it

 No.504967

>>504961
>>504961
he soys out so hard lmao

 No.504968

>>504967
he's a living smug wojak that the rightoids keep saying the left is, even the part where he agrees in pretty much everything the rightoids believe.

 No.504969

>>504960
I didn't day it was a good plan ;) basically a Byzantine strategy

 No.504970

>>504965
Both are fash

 No.504971

File: 1644760289710-1.jpg (236.01 KB, 962x1200, 22391121_0.jpg)

>2 servicemen detained after shooting in cafe in Hranitne village which resulted in 2 deaths, and 2 wounded

 No.504972

>Global insurance companies will no longer insure aircraft for flights in Ukrainian airspace, SkyUp Airlines says

 No.504973

>>504971
plz translate second pic

 No.504974

Euroaches being colonized by America is nothing less they deserve

 No.504975

>>504973
Can't.
Don't know russian ukrainian.

 No.504976

Opinions in this probably retarded video?

 No.504977

>>504949
Zoomers known they would be doing the dying if war breaks out. For boomers it would e just another reality TV show to feel good about themselves as americans

 No.504978

>>504976
5 mins in and its actually good. Acknowledges that countries invading russia has made it try to ensure its security.

 No.504979

>>504977
it's revenge for that "covid is the boomer remover virus" stuff that zoomers said.

 No.504980

>>504961
God I hate this dumb faggot.

 No.504981

>>504961
He acts like it's so obvious that Russia's only ability to retaliate should be global nuclear destruction. This is Civ 5 on Prince difficulty tier geopol

 No.504982

>>504961
He's CIA. Literally.

 No.504983

>Ukrainian air traffic management recommends all airlines not to operate flights over the "potentially dangerous zone" over the Black Sea from February 14 to 19

 No.504984

>>504974
They created that monster, so kinda yeah.

 No.504985

File: 1644765856623.gif (1.55 MB, 340x250, do-it.gif)

When will these ruski uyghurs invade and get it over with already. The suspense is killing me

 No.504986

>Diplo sources in Vienna say that Russia has failed to respond to questions raised by Ukraine under the OSCE Vienna Document with in the 48-hour timeframe. The deadline for a response expired today at 13:59 CET. Ukraine asked Russia to clarify "unusual military activities"

 No.504987

Americans, your bloodthirst is really getting ridiculous. Have Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya not been enough for a while? Jesus fucking christ why are you like this?

 No.504988

>>504987
America is a great demon that needs constant blood offerings

 No.504989

>>504985
Vibe something, like the couple banging in the hotel room in Ukraine next to the westernoid jouno freaked out by the possibility of a war.

 No.504990

>>504949
i fucking HATE boomers i wish the fucking covid vaccine took another couple years to roll out so we could clean more of them up and get their slimy hands off the wheel

 No.504991

>>504959
wonder whos on it?

 No.504992

>>504991
Yes, I wonder.
Who's in it?

 No.504993

>>504987
Well, the poll above shows the boomers are the only ones at it. Some random anon commented that of course, they would support Ukraine instead of hands-off because they wouldn't be drafted. I would also add that the gerontocracy in the U.S. has made the baby boomers the generation of the wealthy hyper-individualistic creatures that believe wars are jokes.

>>504988
Kek, Abadon, Pazuzu, Belzebu, and the others all a full-time happy gang in the U.S.

 No.504994

>>504983
what is this site/app you get these updates from?

 No.504995

>>504985
after the ukrainian uyghurs invade donetsk

 No.504996

>>504994
Looks like hoholmaps

 No.504997

File: 1644767541881-1.jpg (244.15 KB, 1200x675, 22391161_0.jpg)

>List of military cargo flights to Ukraine since 15 Jan 2022: @Gerjon_ identified 43 flights in total. New to the list are two flights by NATO SAC C-17A Globemaster III cargo aircraft from Siauliai, Lithuania

 No.504998

>>504997
this whole Ukraine thing is such a transparent way for NATO countries to dump their aging miltech and justify increased budgets. before this crisis, a lot of countries were refusing to spend more money on NATO or buy new weapons (NATO isn't very popular among people in Europe and people have been questioning for a while why we even need it). something tells me that view of NATO will improve and people will be OK with increased military budgets and contributions to NATO.

it's all a fucking spectacle.

 No.504999

Full support for these guys if they have any offshoots existing in Ukraine today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Insurrectionary_Army_of_Ukraine

 No.505000

File: 1644771475235.png (560.16 KB, 1256x816, ClipboardImage.png)

>>504999
Well, they have a Nestor Makhno award for businesses and entrepreneurs if thats what you want

 No.505001

>>744261
I respect Symonenko, must be very difficult being a communist in Ukraine.

 No.505002

>>505000
Huge L for anarchists.

 No.505003

>Ukrainian FM:Russia failed to respond to our request under the Vienna Document. Consequently, we take the next step. We request a meeting with Russia and all participating states within 48 hours to discuss its reinforcement & redeployment along our border & in temporarily occupied Crimea

 No.505004

I'm still not convinced it's in either party's interests to actually cross the red line into full open conflict

 No.505005

>>505004
Obviously.

 No.505006

Here's a couple of theses for you guys

1. China outcompetes USA in all the fields and murders "made in USA" trademarks
2. US budget suffers immensely, the only thing they can export profitably become oil and gas. And soybeans, I guess.
3. China refuses to buy oil and gas from USA. Because fuck'em, China has no desire to let USA stay afloat
4. The only way out for US budget is to make Europe buy it's oil and gas - but there's Russia already, and highly competitive
5. Ukraine is all about USA wanting to sell oil and gas to Europe, China starting to openly supporting Russia in this conflict is a purest form of China trying to sink US economy

 No.505007

File: 1644777233920.png (821.13 KB, 865x807, cc3.png)

>>505003
>temporarily occupied Crimea

 No.505008

File: 1644777400396-1.jpg (59.76 KB, 1005x570, 22391217_0.jpg)

>White House readout of Biden phone call with @ZelenskyyUa

 No.505009

File: 1644777539261-1.jpg (104.44 KB, 601x1200, 22391222_0.jpg)

>Canada pulls troops out of Ukraine: "As a result of the complex operational environment linked to Russia's unwarranted aggression against Ukraine, the Canadian Armed Forces is in the process of temporarily relocating components of Joint Task Force—Ukraine to elsewhere in Europe"

 No.505010

File: 1644777731448.jpg (156.35 KB, 640x980, vladimir-lenin-416681.jpg)

>>505002
Anarchists specialize in taking L's, but I's not fair to call this one.

 No.505011

>>505010
You don't see Joseph Stalin Enterprise Awards.

 No.505012

>>505009
>to protect Ukraine we will leave it

I don't get it. This sounds dumb however you put it

 No.505013

>>505000
topkek

 No.505014

>>505012
They're protecting their own troops, not Ukraine.

 No.505015

File: 1644778233942.png (1.37 MB, 960x960, 1643220020242.png)

>>505011
No you just see shit like this.

 No.505016

>>505012
nothing that comes out of the mouth of a government official is anything but platitudes. nothing is ever truly meant when it is said anymore

 No.505017

>>505015
>Tatoo with Tsar Nicholas the second alongsode Stalin.
Ok.
I want to ask something.
Obviously, these people fetishize the past of their country without considering the ideology of the leaders in question, so…
Does something like this happen in other countries?
Like, something like this on a german but with Hitler and Honecker? Or some french guy with, dunno, Napoleon and Louis XVI? Shit like this.
This must happen in other countries.

 No.505018

>Washington: The number of soldiers deployed by Russia on the borders of Ukraine has reached 130,000

 No.505019

File: 1644778832850.png (521.12 KB, 720x528, 1582167712313.png)

>>505012
>>505009
DON'T YOU GET IT? WE PULL OUT TO DEFEND, YOU DENSE PUTINIST MOFO

 No.505020

File: 1644779122835.png (634.48 KB, 1140x640, ClipboardImage.png)

>>505017
Don't know about other places but in my country the Nazi collaborator dictator and the literal communist are both viewed as "great patriots" and loved by the same people, and are both viewed as martyrs. Living in Easter Europe is fucked lmao

 No.505021

>>505006
>the only thing they can export profitably become oil and gas. And soybeans, I guess.
shale extraction is relatively expensive compared to other methods and relies on the cooperation of OPEC to keep prices above a certain level. the saudi/russian price war in 2020 was ruinous for american oil companies for example

 No.505022

>>505017
This is nationalism, simple and straightforward. Many Russians seek for the greatness of Russia like in the past time. No ideology associated.
They take out the contradictory parts, the bad parts, and just find a common ground. Bad? good? I'd said in this particular case >>505015, nuanced.

 No.505023

>>505017
I wonder how long it'll be before people in the US use abraham lincoln alongside jefferson davis or robert e lee as an examples of the power of the american spirit or some bullshit like that

 No.505024

>>744355
There is no way how you solve this. this an official ideology of russian ruling elite. That's what putinoids are all about - "appeasing the reds and whites"

 No.505025

>>505020
I'd said communists locally have to learn how to deal with this and find elegant ways to solve these contradictions because these people consider themselves patriotic, and you would have to convince them that the best patriotic leader is the one who sought for the workers. While the communists abroad should let them solve these contradictions.

 No.505026

>>505025
Fuck patriots, the only country I pledge my allegiance to is the country of the workers.
Patriots of bourgeoisie states and bourgeois notions such as nations are rightwingers and thus, dumbasses.
The Soviet Union should have directly annexed all the territories it conquered during ww2.

 No.505027

File: 1644780249309-1.jpg (97.91 KB, 540x1199, 22391245_0.jpg)

>Inbound Kyiv Ukraine: UK Royal Air Force C17 Globemaster ZZ175 RRR6810

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 No.505029

>>505027
why do you look at every plane incoming/outgoing… what a waste of time

 No.505030

>>505017
Romania has this to a large degree with Ceausescu as another anon mentioned in the thread. There's also this communist wing of the Carlist pretenders to the Spanish throne lol.

 No.505031

File: 1644780667349-0.jpg (109.05 KB, 1440x1134, lockheed.jpg)

File: 1644780667349-1.jpg (88.26 KB, 1450x934, generaldynamics.jpg)

File: 1644780667349-2.jpg (83.69 KB, 1448x946, raytheon.jpg)


 No.505032

>>505024
Pack it up boyz, the revolution is canceled because someone invented a contradictory situation.
No, the best way to deal with this is to use the communist figures with less nefarious elements. Also, it is important to point out the minuscule of these contradictory elements.
>>505026
There is a collection of links in the QTDDTOT thread, coincidentally, that addresses all the information about nationalism and patriotism. For example, Lenin was in favor of self-determination, which cannot be dissacoiated with a national and patriotic element.

 No.505033

>>505031
Jesus, the drop is Afghanistan.

 No.505034

File: 1644781206234-0.png (32.96 KB, 528x276, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1644781206234-1.jpg (42.47 KB, 540x810, smug lenin.jpg)

Lol, this shit is really fucking over the Ukrainians, isn't it?
What if this is the plan of the Russians? To bleed Ukraine dry with constant low intensity warfare and military pressure until they just collapse on themselves.

 No.505035

File: 1644781364512.png (1.67 MB, 893x1360, ClipboardImage.png)

This whole situation is giving me heavy "sleep walkers" vibes…

 No.505036

>>505035
Explain further

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 No.505038

>>505034
>What if this is the plan of the Russians
We have a name for that: Wind them up till they have enough rope to strangle themselves alone.

 No.505039

>>505034
>collapse on themselves
Or cave. If tomorrow Zelenski goes hat in and to Moscow, and promises he'll implement Kiev agreement and to never apply for NATO…

Ofc then the US activates the Nazis to start a coup…

 No.505040

>>505036
well, Sleep walkers posits that none of the great powers actually had plans to go to war in 1914, contrary to other interpretations, which see players like Germany or the UK as willingly bringing about the war in order to achieve geostrategic goals. Instead, they acted in a short sighted and often impulsive manner which lead to the different powers "sleep walking" into WW1.

It's difficult to believe that any side here actually wants a war, rather they are just posturing to gain domestic support or diplomatic concessions. Yet the actions taken for this posturing are provoking stronger and stronger counterreactions which could escalate. Especially things like the russians evacuating their embassy, or >>505034, or >>505009, or >>505003 are leading me to believe that the people in charge are starting to lose control of the situation although noone actually wanted war.

 No.505041

File: 1644783561309-1.jpg (290.96 KB, 1199x909, 22391275_0.jpg)

>A United States Air Force RQ-4 Global Hawk UAV (AE5420, should be 04-2015) appears to be heading towards the Black Sea/Ukraine, likely going for another flight around Russia/Belarus borders
PLANES DUDE, EPIC PLANERINOS

 No.505042

File: 1644783944579.jpg (27.27 KB, 600x875, 920.jpg)

>>505040
>"Explain further."
<"Ok."
Pick it up.

 No.505043

>TrueAnonPod We’re joined by Moss Robeson (twitter.com/mossrobeson__) of the Bandera Lobby blog (banderalobby.substack.com) and talk about the less-known aspect of the Spider Network: followers of Nazi-aligned Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera and their growing influence in Ukraine—and America

 No.505044

File: 1644784648121.jpg (580.74 KB, 1524x2339, 91kydX4OKAL.jpg)

>>505040
Pic related also argues that what you're describing would be a likely short term cause for the US and China to go to war.

 No.505045

>>505043
>“Right Sector USA,” as in the little known, now defunct US branch of the notorious extremist Ukrainian organization Right Sector, appeared on Facebook in May 2014. By then, it already had an account on the Russian social media network VKontakte (VK), where it claimed to have started cells in Chicago and Tennessee, if only in the form of two individuals. In the coming weeks, Right Sector USA formally launched in the quasi-Ukrainian neighborhood of Manhattan’s East Village.

>RS-USA’s first official meeting took place on the third floor of a building owned by the Organization for the Defense of the Four Freedoms for Ukraine (ODFFU), which has historically operated as a front for the OUN-B — the “revolutionary” faction of the fascistic Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists led by Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera until his assassination in 1959. Today the OUN-B is led by Stefan Romaniw, the longtime chairman of the Australian Federation of Ukrainian Organisations.


https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/right-sector-usa

>The day’s long-winded ceremonies got started with a procession to the “Monument for the ‘Heavenly 100 Brigade’ and all the Heroes of Ukraine,” where the grandchildren of UPA veterans placed memorial wreaths at the base of the monument with Larysa Gerasko, the General Counsel of Ukraine in Chicago. Then came the Posting of Colors—the flags of the OUN-B, the UPA, and the local organized Ukrainian community, three of them affiliated with the OUN-B. Following the singing of the U.S. and Ukrainian national anthems and an introductory memorial service by St. Andrew’s clergy and choir, Gerasko delivered the opening remarks.


>After some more speeches, attendees made their way to the special section of the church cemetery reserved for UPA veterans, and the Greywolves Company—described as a “Military-Historical Brigade” in the program—served as the Honor Guard. His Excellency Bishop Benedict Aleksiychuk, “responsible for all Ukrainian Catholics in the United States west of Ohio, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Mississippi,” said a prayer for the dead, and the pastor of St. Andrew’s UOC blessed the graves of the UPA veterans.


https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/october-surprise-pt-1

>In October, the Center for US-Ukrainian Relations (CUSUR), an OUN-B front, organized its first in-person event in Washington DC since March 2020, when the Center’s two Banderite bureau chiefs escorted me outside of the conference room but asked that we take a picture together. This time, the CUSUR’s flagship event, the 22nd annual “Ukraine’s Quest for Mature Nation Statehood Roundtable” took place at the University Club in Washington, next door to the former embassy of the Soviet Union, which is now the Russian ambassador’s residence.


>At one point during the conference, its principal organizer, Walter Zaryckyj, who is the US leader of OUN-B and executive director of CUSUR, said, “The bottom line is… we’re in the Third World War


https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/bandera-bulletin-1

 No.505046

>>505045
Reminder that there's literally a monument to a Ukrainian SS division in Oakville, Ontario.

 No.505047

>>505045

>Bandera Lobby Blog @mossrobeson__

>Moss Robeson I tweet and write about Stepan Bandera's Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B), which is active in the US, Canada, UK, Australia, Ukraine and elsewhere

>World Anti-Communist League Pt.1 | The Farm | Steven Snider with Moss Robeson


World Anti-Communist League, WACL, Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, ABN, Ukraine, OUN-B, Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, Yaroslav Stetsko, Stepan Bandera, CIA, MI6, Gehlen Org, BND, Nazis, Spas T. Raikin, Otto Skorzeny, Alfred Rosenberg, HUAC, stay-behind operations, KGB, assassinations

https://www.thefarmpodcast.com/e/wacl-pt1/

WACL II | The Farm | Steven Snider with Moss Robeson and Keith Allen Dennis
Aug 24th, 2020 by The Farm Podcast

World Anti-Communist League, WACL, China Lobby, heroin, drug trafficking, Chiang Kai-Shek. Taiwan, Formosa, Apartheid, Green Gang, Shanghai, Anti-Bolshevik Bloc of Nations, ABN, Captive Nations Week, Du Yue-sheng, Green Gang, triads, Asian People's Anti-Communist League, APACL, Kuomintang, Shanghai Opium Suppression Bureau, William Keswick, Yakuza, Japan, World War Two, Chinese Civil War, People's Republic of China, "Fabulous MacArthur Boys", OSS Old Boys, Pawley-Cooke expedition, World Commerce Corporation, William Donovan, Douglas MacArthur, Republican "Ethnic Strategy", ethnic lobbies

https://www.thefarmpodcast.com/e/waclii/

 No.505048

>>505040
Man I was reading the other day about the Japanese pre-ww2 militarists on wikipedia and these guys were fucking insane. The entire Japanese invasion of Manchuria was basically triggered because a bunch of Jack D. Ripper-style schizo mid-level officers staged a false attack. The Japanese army also staged multiple coups during the 30's and in one of them they killed their prime minister and planned to assasinate Charlie fucking Chaplin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_15_Incident

 No.505049

>>504998
>NATO isn't very popular among people in Europe and people have been questioning for a while why we even need it).
It's so funny how few Americans understand this

 No.505050

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/09/canadas-foreign-minister-says-russia-is-spreading-disinformation-about-her-grandfather/

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/chrystia-freelands-granddad-was-indeed-a-nazi-collaborator-so-much-for-russian-disinformation

Canada finance minister has a grandfather who ran the largest Ukrainian-language Nazi newspaper in Poland during the war using a printing press taken from its Jewish owners who were sent to die in Dachau.

 No.505051

>>505050
https://www.rferl.org/a/banderite-rebrand-ukrainian-police-declare-admiration-for-nazi-collaborators-to-make-a-point/29764110.html

>Across social media, Ukrainian police and law enforcement officials are apologizing for one officer's slur aimed at far-right ultranationalists and making it known: They, too, are "#Banderites." Or, to be clear, supporters of militant Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II.


>National Police chief Serhiy Knyazev says he is one. So does Interior Ministry and National Police spokesman Artem Shevchenko. Interior Ministry adviser Zoryan Shkyryak is, too.


>From the top on down, cops and their bosses are lining up to air their admiration for Stepan Bandera, a hero to many Ukrainians whose Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)

 No.505052

File: 1644785576941.jpg (110.16 KB, 828x864, FB_IMG_1644785545503.jpg)

Social media page for Canadian soldiers/veterans just shared this lmao.

 No.505053

>>505044
>joe biden quote on the cover
eugh

 No.505054


 No.505055

>>505012
>>505009
>>505019
Of course, they pulled out. The reason for that is makes sense. They don't want to look like as the invaders. They want to keep the image of Russia or any non anglos states as purely barbarians & subhumans scums that need to be wiped out cuz threatening muh democrazy.

Until the rest of so called "international community" acknowledge how uncivilized of Russia or China is, then they'll strike hard.

 No.505056

dont waste the quints pls

 No.505057


 No.505058

>>505056
Quints and Ukraine is invaded this week

 No.505059


 No.505060

>>505057
oh well

 No.505061

>>505056
>>505057
Great moments in leftypol history

 No.505062


 No.505063

File: 1644786151465.jpg (47.7 KB, 432x444, lolcat-neat.jpg)


 No.505064

https://news.yahoo.com/cia-trained-ukrainian-paramilitaries-may-take-central-role-if-russia-invades-185258008.html

>The CIA is overseeing a secret intensive training program in the U.S. for elite Ukrainian special operations forces and other intelligence personnel, according to five former intelligence and national security officials familiar with the initiative. The program, which started in 2015, is based at an undisclosed facility in the Southern U.S., according to some of those officials.


>One person familiar with the program put it more bluntly. “The United States is training an insurgency,” said a former CIA official, adding that the program has taught the Ukrainians how “to kill Russians.


>The program, which does not appear to have ever been formally aimed at preparing for an insurgency, did include training that could be used for that purpose. Another former agency official described technical aspects of the program, like showing Ukrainians how to maintain secure communications behind enemy lines or in a “hostile intelligence environment” as potential “stay-behind force training.”


>“If the Russians invade, those [graduates of the CIA programs] are going to be your militia, your insurgent leaders,” said the former senior intelligence official. “We’ve been training these guys now for eight years. They’re really good fighters. That’s where the agency’s program could have a serious impact.”


>If the Russians launch a new invasion, “there’s going to be people who make their life miserable,” said the former senior intelligence official. The CIA-trained paramilitaries “will organize the resistance” using the specialized training they’ve received.


>“All that stuff that happened to us in Afghanistan,” said the former senior intelligence official, “they can expect to see that in spades with these guys.”

 No.505065

>Led by Andriy Levus, a former deputy chief of Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU), it is the reincarnation of another movement, the Free People, which itself stems from Ukraine’s Youth Nationalist Congress, an organisation set by the successors of Nazi collaborators who found refuge in North America after World War II.

>Comprised of the members of Maidan’s self-defence and war veterans, the Capitulation Resistance Movement is a paramilitary force associated with the nationalist opposition that coalesced around former president Petro Poroshenko after he was soundly defeated by Zelenskiy in the 2019 election.


>‘Capitulation’ stands for any form of compromise with Russia – be it over the peace settlement in Donbas or the ethno-nationalist legislation, discriminating against Russian-speakers, which was hastily adopted in the last months of Poroshenko’s presidency.


>Levus was a prominent commander of Maidan Self Defence, which protected the protesters during the 2014 Revolution of Dignity. During his SBU stint at the start of the war in Donbas, he helped form volunteer units and sabotage groups. His political convictions are strongly influenced by the Ukrainian far-right Banderovite tradition, which is based on the conviction that history is made by ruthless individuals, not the static masses. When Zelenskiy defeated Poroshenko by a landslide in 2019, Levus wrote a post to the effect that the majority is inherently incapable of making correct political decisions and it is up to strong-willed individuals to fix its mistakes.


>Levus’ force largely overlaps with the militant core of the Maidan revolution, but it is also close to the radical part of Ukraine’s security milieu, which attempted to impeach Zelenskiy in the so-called Wagnergate affair. With the head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, Vasyl Burba, on their side, they accused Zelenskiy of treason for cancelling an insanely audacious plan to capture a group of Russian mercenaries by force-landing a civilian Turkish airliner as it flew over Ukraine.


https://www.bne.eu/ragozin-what-is-zelenskiy-afraid-of-234368/

 No.505066

>>505040
this tbh, also was familiar with the theory of ww1 not really wanted by anyone in a leadership position but still happening due to the escalation

 No.505067

>>505064
not hard to imagine these guys pulling off a coup and genociding russians in east ukraine, then shit would get really spicy

 No.505068

>>505058
fizzle confirmed

 No.505069

File: 1644787926180-0.png (259.82 KB, 711x580, ClipboardImage.png)

File: 1644787926180-1.jpg (30.09 KB, 700x654, stare.jpg)

its actually going to happen

 No.505070

>>505069
I warned you about socialism or barbarism bro, I told you dog

 No.505071

>>505064
Gladio is nothing new.

 No.505072

>>505053
The author is definitely a lib, and it comes through here and there, but overall it's a decent book that looks at how differences in economic/political structures, culture, and geostrategic priorities shape the actions of the US and PRC respectively, as well as looking at plausible short term causes for conflict (and routes of de-escelation).

 No.505073

>>505026
Most based post ITT

 No.505074

>>505056
>>505057
put me in le screencap

 No.505075

>Three sources tell @margbrennan & @EenaRuffini of @CBSNews that the Biden administration is preparing to withdraw all US personnel from Kyiv within the next 24-48 hours

 No.505076

File: 1644789320293.png (1.33 MB, 1841x3000, 1631199032183.png)

>>505069
>>505075
Shit has left the silo and is route to the fan as we speak…

 No.505077

all of you are uyghurs
none of you are free from uyghurism

 No.505078

Episode 205: Ukraine (with Ames) Part 1 | TrueAnon

We wash ashore on the banks of the Dnieper with Radio War Nerd’s Mark Ames (https://twitter.com/markamesexiled) for a Special War in Ukraine????? Two Parter. In this first hour we detail Ukraine’s complicated road to independence, the various oligarchs, gangsters and western leaders jostling for control and the bloody coup that set the stage for todays conflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdfvEpK4g6I

 No.505079

Episode 206: Ukraine (with Ames) Part 2 | TrueAnon


In this second half we get up to speed on the current “crisis,” walk through the expansion of NATO, the rise of Putin, and try to figure out just what the hell the US thinks it’s playing at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZmtmBf2Jp0

 No.505080

>>505077
okay Xi.

 No.505081

File: 1644789761481.png (633.93 KB, 760x605, ClipboardImage.png)

>>505057
>>505058
FUKUYAMA GANG FUKUYAMA GANG

 No.505082

File: 1644790355144.webm (1.03 MB, 500x282, 1401411217989.webm)


 No.505083

>>505066
It's been a while and I don't have the book on hand (it's Ring of Steel by Alexander Watson) but I've read too that there were some people in the upper echelons of the European governments who warned of continental war, but they were either suppressed or dismissed. On a similar note, some Nazi officials conducted an inquiry regarding going to war with the Soviet Union and their report concluded they would lose badly. Their higher up (maybe it was Keitel, Hitler's ultimate yes man) told them Hitler won't take it well so they should rewrite it to his liking. So they returned with a glowing report about Germany's military and logistic capabilities—utterly falsified of course—which ultimately made it to Hitler's desk. Granted the Nazi government was uniquely dysfunctional, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that unfavorable information isn't making it up the chain of command in the current conflict too. Or that they aren't dismissing objectors who warn their policy of brinkmanship could spiral out of control like in WWI.

 No.505084

File: 1644791095363.jpg (8.33 KB, 255x246, 1623242544490.jpg)

>>505057
Here for the screencap

 No.505085

Nothingburger!
NOOOOOOTHIN'BURGER!1!1!1!
NOTHINGBÜRGER!

 No.505086

>>505058
3 milliseconds late bruv

 No.505087

File: 1644791207328.gif (4.91 MB, 335x188, XeZO.gif)

>>505057
Crisis averted
No war in ukraine now.

 No.505088

>Russia blows up Ukraine
Leftypol: “lol nothingburger”

 No.505089

>The Netherlands will also pull out its OSCE Special Monitoring Mission staff from eastern Ukraine, the foreign ministry just announced

 No.505090

WELCOME TO LEFTYPOL'S FAVOURITE GAME:Fizzle or sizzle?

0 for /fizzlegang/
1 for /sizzlegang/

Winners will receive an autographed copy of Shay's book

 No.505091

So we're gonna set up a livestream for the happening right? War streams are extra entertaining

 No.505092


 No.505093

>Russia has now responded on security concerns request. It says that it doesn't conduct any unusual military activity on its territory and that Ukraine's request under the OSCE Vienna document is inadmissible

>>505090
1
shall the great satan burn in nuclear fire inshallah

 No.505094

>>505090
Adding my resounding 0

 No.505095


 No.505096

>>505090
leaning towards 1 tbh

 No.505097

>>505090
0
Just the common dick measuring by capitalist powers.
But I truly hope that the Minsk accords are implemented and everyone holds their hands and sings along until the next financial crash happens

 No.505098

>>505091
someone definitely do that, but I doubt we'll be seeing anything today, maybe later in the week

 No.505099

File: 1644791501812.png (164.7 KB, 600x597, 1640201285869.png)

>>505090
Fizzlegang always wins! And it will do so this time too – unfortunately. Nothingburger!
History has been dead and frozen since 1991. We are eternally stuck in late-crapitalist limbo. Don't get your hopes up.

 No.505100

File: 1644791524425.mp4 (1.48 MB, 360x360, 1635974374489.mp4)

>>505069
>>505075
Fuck what a nightmare this will be if the Russians really move in. And this won't be over fast. Even if it doesn't escalate to a full-scale nuke exchange we'll spend the next two months at least with our ass cheecks clenched watching the situation spiral out of anyone's controll. The Western powers may not react right away, but they can't accept facts that are right infront of them after whipping up a hysteria among their own people. There's no way for this to end in anything but a catastrophy of some sort.God help us all.

 No.505101

File: 1644791551416-1.jpg (110.9 KB, 540x1199, 22391307_0.jpg)

>USAF B-52 bomber pinging away on the ground at RAF Fairford
EPIC PLANERINOS GUYS

 No.505102

>>505097
<Trips PLUS dubs
This is some powerful digits.

 No.505103

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 No.505104

>>505088
>nothing happens
Leftypol: "omg it's happooooooooooning"

 No.505105

>>505100
stop being happening pilled, if the US was planning to actually defend ukraine then they wouldn't be pulling out all their citizens, ukraine is going to be sacrificed (or Russia won't even invade in the first place)

 No.505106


 No.505107

>>505104
>Nothing happens
This guy: *starts sucking cocks at random*

 No.505108


 No.505109

>>505105
All this posturing is just to kill Nordstream 2.

But boy, the situation can go downhill very fast.

 No.505110

>>505109
Germany won't let that happen, USA has overplayed their hand

 No.505111

>>505109
based planet saving burgers, keeping the krauts from getting their grubby hands on russia's dirty oil.

 No.505112

>>505110
Curious how, in the third act, it is happening because of people trying to control germany and not germany trying to control others.

 No.505113


 No.505114

File: 1644792152640.jpg (102.5 KB, 1280x720, 1524878712179.jpg)

>>505110
What the fuck is this? You're acting like Germany isn't a pawn of US, and US isn't the global capitalist hegemon anymore.

And at that point, it really is over.

>>505112
Fuck the Fourth Reich, same as all the other Reichs.

 No.505115

>>505114
The US doesn't have infinite power and europorkies are aware of how fucked they are by gas shortages, energy prices have gone up by like 100% in the last year or so, they will protect themselves. Maybe in 1990 the US could force their will on Europe but not today

 No.505116

>>505114
If germany was a vassal it would have participated on Iraq, but it didn't.

 No.505117

>>505083
RAND Corporation simulates wargames against Russia and China. The US loses.

> “The casualties that the Chinese could inflict on us could be staggering,” said Timothy Heath, a senior international defense researcher at Rand and formerly a China analyst at the U.S. Pacific Command headquarters in Hawaii. “Anti-ship cruise missiles could knock out U.S. carriers and warships; surface-to-air missiles could destroy our fighters and bombers.”


> As several military analysts put it, the days of unfettered American military superiority in the Western Pacific are over. China has, the analysts say, achieved what's called anti-access area denial, or A2/AD, which would prevent American forces from being able to penetrate anywhere near Taiwan once a war there started.


https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2020/08/17/the_scary_war_game_over_taiwan_that_the_us_loses_again_and_again_124836.html



> A 2016 RAND Corporation report, “Reinforcing Deterrence on NATO’s Eastern Flank,” conducted a series of wargames simulating a Russian assault on the Baltic states. The report reached an “unambiguous” conclusion: Russia’s Western Military District (WMD) can steamroll NATO’s most vulnerable members at a moment’s notice, reaching the outskirts of Tallinn or Riga– the capitals of Estonia and Latvia, respectively– in sixty hours or less.


> The report, authored by David Shlapak and Michael Johnson, attributed NATO’s crushing defeat to what is an entirely lopsided correlation of forces. The WMD (and to a lesser extent, Kaliningrad) units that would take part in the invasion not only vastly outnumber their NATO counterparts, but are qualitatively superior in most respects. The WMD has received a slew of modern hardware over the past decade, inducing the S-400 missile system, the new T-72B3M main battle tank (MBT), and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV’s).


> The report argues that NATO’s light and under-equipped Baltic assets are little match for Russia’s motorized heavy divisions. The tactical disparity is so great, posit the authors, that NATO infantry wouldn’t even be able to retreat successfully from the Russian onslaught and would instead find themselves “destroyed in place.” Even when accounting for the effective use of NATO air power that could inflict noticeable losses on advancing Russian forces, NATO simply lacks the conventional means to resist a full-scale Russian invasion of the Baltic states.


https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/russia-putting-nato-its-toes-194155

 No.505118

>>505109
>All this posturing is just to kill Nordstream 2
stop spreading dumb conspiro theories. it is also to give the media something to talk about besides how brandon's polls are in the toilet, his domestic agenda is now completely dead and he's a lame duck pres already.

 No.505119

>>505118
So what is this all about, then, according to (you), /pol/-tard?

 No.505120

>>505119
It's like he said, giving the media something to focus on besides the failing economy, rising prices, and to give a reason for the continued existence of the giant US military

 No.505121

NOTHING WILL HAPPEN!

 No.505122

>>505121
this
there could literally be a tactical nuclear exchange and it would still be a NOTHINGBURGER

 No.505123

>>505111
who said anything about oil, uyghur? The Germans want gas

 No.505124


 No.505125

ACCELERATE

 No.505126

>>505124
B-based suicidal death cultists?

 No.505127

>>505116
>>505116
Niqqa what you talkin' 'bout, niqqa?
Germany did participate in Iraq, and still stationed in Iraq, niqqa.
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-extends-bundeswehr-mission-in-iraq/a-6040078

 No.505128

>>505069
I already told you they would do so, start to attack with those weapons in some sort of guerilla war, not full scale, but annoying. I hope the Rusians use heavy artillery tho, to rape their asses.

 No.505129

>>505118
i was joking. it's about both really. several things align to explain this move: stop the N2, try to unify europe against russia, sell more weapons, impose more sanctions, and provide a distraction for all the domestic woes that joe either can't or won't fix now.
just ask what the media would have been talking about for the last two months if not for the foreign crisis. they'd have nothing to talk about besides inflation, bad polls, and how manchin killed biden's entire agenda and he's basically not going to do anything from here on.
it all aligns into manufacturing a russia crisis. it's no coincidence that it happened just after their 'voting rights' bill got killed in congress. that was their last play to pass some kind of legislation. they were out of cards to play at home so time to turn attention abroad.

 No.505130

A SOMETHINGBURGER JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE

 No.505131

>>505130
I LIVE NEAR AN AIRFORCE BASE AND 20,000 FIGHTER JETS JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE ITS HAPPENING

 No.505132

> The U.S., it seems, believes that the worst-case scenario is one where Russia invades Ukraine, only to wilt under the sustained pressure of economic sanctions and military threats.

> Russia’s worse-case scenario is one where it engages in armed conflict with NATO.


> Generally speaking, the side that is most prepared for the reality of armed conflict will prevail.


> Russia has been preparing for this possibility for more than a year. It has repeatedly shown a capability to rapidly mobilize 100,000-plus combat-ready forces in short order. NATO has shown an ability to mobilize 30,000 after six-to-nine-months of extensive preparations.


> What would a conflict between Russia and NATO look like? In short, not like anything NATO has prepared for. Time is the friend of NATO in any such conflict—time to let sanctions weaken the Russian economy, and time to allow NATO to build up sufficient military power to be able to match Russia’s conventional military strength.


> Russia knows this, and as such, any Russian move will be designed to be both swift and decisive.


> First and foremost, if it comes to it, when Russia decides to move on Ukraine, it will do so with a plan of action that has been well-thought out and which sufficient resources have been allocated for its successful completion. Russia will not get involved in a military misadventure in Ukraine that has the potential of dragging on and on, like the U.S. experience in Afghanistan and Iraq. Russia has studied an earlier U.S. military campaign—Operation Desert Storm, of Gulf War I—and has taken to heart the lessons of that conflict.


> One does not need to occupy the territory of a foe in order to destroy it. A strategic air campaign designed to nullify specific aspects of a nations’ capability, whether it be economic, political, military, or all the above, coupled with a focused ground campaign designed to destroy an enemy’s army as opposed to occupy its territory, is the likely course of action.


> Given the overwhelming supremacy Russia has both in terms of the ability to project air power backed by precision missile attacks, a strategic air campaign against Ukraine would accomplish in days what the U.S. took more than a month to do against Iraq in 1991.


> On the ground, the destruction of Ukraine’s Army is all but guaranteed. Simply put, the Ukrainian military is neither equipped nor trained to engage in large-scale ground combat. It would be destroyed piecemeal, and the Russians would more than likely spend more time processing Ukrainian prisoners of war than killing Ukrainian defenders.


> For any Russian military campaign against Ukraine to be effective in a larger conflict with NATO, however, two things must occur—Ukraine must cease to exist as a modern nation state, and the defeat of the Ukrainian military must be massively one-sided and quick. If Russia is able to accomplish these two objectives, then it is well positioned to move on to the next phase of its overall strategic posturing vis-à-vis NATO—intimidation.


> While the U.S., NATO, the EU, and the G7 have all promised “unprecedented sanctions,” sanctions only matter if the other side cares. Russia, by rupturing relations with the West, no longer would care about sanctions. Moreover, it is a simple acknowledgement of reality that Russia can survive being blocked from SWIFT transactions longer than Europe can survive without Russian energy. Any rupturing of relations between Russia and the West will result in the complete embargoing of Russian gas and oil to European customers.


> There is no European Plan B. Europe will suffer, and because Europe is composed of erstwhile democracies, politicians will pay the price. All those politicians who followed the U.S. blindly into a confrontation with Russia will now have to answer to their respective constituents why they committed economic suicide on behalf of a Nazi-worshipping, thoroughly corrupt nation (Ukraine) which has nothing in common with the rest of Europe. It will be a short conversation.


> If the U.S. tries to build up NATO forces on Russia’s western frontiers in the aftermath of any Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia will then present Europe with a fait accompli in the form of what would now be known as the “Ukrainian model.” In short, Russia will guarantee that the Ukrainian treatment will be applied to the Baltics, Poland, and even Finland, should it be foolish enough to pursue NATO membership.


> Russia won’t wait until the U.S. has had time to accumulate sufficient military power, either. Russia will simply destroy the offending party through the combination of an air campaign designed to degrade the economic function of the targeted nation, and a ground campaign designed to annihilate the ability to wage war. Russia does not need to occupy the territory of NATO for any lengthy period—just enough to destroy whatever military power has been accumulated by NATO near its borders.


> And—here’s the kicker—short of employing nuclear weapons, there’s nothing NATO can do to prevent this outcome. Militarily, NATO is but a shadow of its former self. The once great armies of Europe have had to cannibalize their combat formations to assemble battalion-sized “combat groups” in the Baltics and Poland. Russia, on the other hand, has reconstituted two army-size formations—the 1st Guards Tank Army and the 20th Combined Arms Army—from the Cold War-era which specialize in deep offensive military action.


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/10/what-war-with-russia-would-look-like/

 No.505133

>>505132
jesus christ

 No.505134

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 No.505135

File: 1644795559208.jpg (155.07 KB, 640x980, walter-benjamin-680087.jpg)

>>505090
It is merely one episode in the grand sizzle of history.

 No.505136

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 No.505137

>>504949
While I don't like wishing a bunch of people my parents age to fucking die. The world will be better without boomers.

 No.505138

>>505137
Maximum voting age. y/n?

 No.505139

>>505138
not the guy but
yeah

 No.505140

File: 1644797218225.png (1.41 MB, 1413x918, 645869084509645654.png)

Flashback to when Ukrainian rightoids dressed up as World of Warcraft characters to protest remembrances of the Soviet victory over the Axis.

 No.505141

>>505138
I would impose age+wealth.

 No.505142

>>505138
you should only get to vote if you can identify at least 5 tiktok memes.

 No.505143

>>505132
This is both terrifying and sublime.
I'm really at loss at how much is going on and will go on. That a century of history is on its final draft now and I have to live it.
It seems that I will get what I wanted, for both sides to lose, now I have to bear the responsibility of whatever happens after it.

 No.505144

>>505127
>>505127
link gives a 404

 No.505145


 No.505146

File: 1644799517900.jpg (93.98 KB, 1024x590, 1580419540899.jpg)


 No.505147

>>505134
We found Rosa's killer.

 No.505148

File: 1644800721291.mp4 (503.44 KB, 640x360, nvkYEAOsP54UcQQK.mp4)

Burger media. Nazis arming the elderly and children gives off some real throwback vibes.

 No.505149

>The weekend after Thanksgiving 2018, a small group of Ukrainian nationalists are said to have conducted weapons training on a huge property in upstate New York, including a trio associated with the Organization for the Defense of the Four Freedoms for Ukraine (ODFFU). Almost a year later, in September 2019, they were named in an anonymous complaint with “Underground Paramilitary Training Activities” in the title, submitted to the New York State Attorney General’s Charities Bureau, in which they were alleged to be “soldiers” for a “Fascist Terrorist organization” and in possession of “large-caliber weapons, many of them illegally acquired.”

>The ODFFU, headquartered in “Little Ukraine,” Manhattan, was established a year after World War II ended by members of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera’s faction of the far-right Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B). During the war, the Banderites established a Ukrainian National Militia that provided much of the manpower for the Nazi pogroms that accompanied the arrival of German troops to western Ukraine in 1941. Later the OUN-B infiltrated the Ukrainian auxiliary policemen who did the Nazis’ bidding during the “Holocaust by Bullets.” After the German surrender at Stalingrad the Banderite policemen in western Ukraine defected en masse to form the backbone of the OUN-B’s Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which proceeded to hunt Jews hiding in the forests and wage a barbaric ethnic cleansing campaign against Poles. The ODFFU, dominated from the start by newly arrived Banderites from western Ukraine, presumably included some war criminals among its founding members.[…]


>[…]Andriy Shchegelskiy was born in October 1989 in western Ukraine, just before the Berlin Wall came down. He grew up in 1990s Ukraine and moved to the United States with his family at the age of 12, arriving weeks after 9/11. A dozen years later, swept up in revolution and war from afar, it seems that Shchegelskiy was reborn as a Ukrainian Nationalist in his mid-twenties.


>With his Ukrainian-born credentials, including a better grasp of the language than the second and third-generation OUN-B diaspora leaders, Shchegelskiy became a very active member of the Bandera cult in New York City. Allegedly he revived the OUN pseudonym of a belated relative who took the name of a famous 17th century Cossack leader, Ivan Sirko.


>In March 2015, a year after Russia annexed Crimea, Andriy Parubiy, then the deputy chairman of the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian Parliament), stopped by the ODFFU building in Manhattan, when it still seemed to function smoothly as the US headquarters of OUN-B. Parubiy, many reading this already know, led the ‘Maidan Self-Defense Forces’ in 2013-14, and the paramilitary arm of the neo-Nazi ‘Social-National Party of Ukraine’ in the 1990s.


>Parubiy visited the Saturday school run by the OUN-B affiliated Ukrainian American Youth Association (UAYA), and did an interview with Banderite media, including representatives of the Ukrainian American OUN-B newspaper National Tribune and ODFFU’s Radio Domivka. Shchegelskiy also sat in on the meeting, wearing a Banderite vyshyvanka (red on black base) and taking notes under a framed photo of OUN founder Yevhen Konovalets.[…]


https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-adventures-of-sirko

 No.505150

Could someone explain to me why the west is constantly pushing the narrative that Russia is just about to invade Ukraine?
What do they get out of it?
Are they trying to punish Russia for it's bluff?

 No.505151

>>505141
You mean barring rich people from voting?

 No.505152

File: 1644802807380.jpg (5.67 KB, 250x169, load-size-large.jpg)

>>505151
if we can dream, let's dream big. YES, mfw.

 No.505153

>>505151
>>505152
They literally did that in the early Soviet Union and/or during the Russian Revolution lmao

 No.505154

>>505150
>Ukraine crisis: Nord Stream 2 will end if Russia invades - Biden
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60292437

>When asked about Nord Stream 2, the US president said "if Russia invades… again, then there will be longer Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it."


>However he did not give specifics, responding to a question about how he would do this by saying: "I promise you we will be able to do it."


Fuck the Hun, tbh.

 No.505155

>>505150
short term they are trying to shut down the Nord Stream pipeline and to cover for the buildup of Ukranian forces in Donetsk and pump Ukraine with weapons to turn it into a bastion that will harass and provoke Russia on it's border and to do more sanctions and apply market pressure on the Russian economy. Long term they want regime change in Russia.

 No.505156

>>505150
Review this and older threads You can easily find the reasons behind if you put "they do this" or "reasons" or "theory(ies)" in your CTRL+F search.

 No.505157

Somebody make a new thread.

 No.505158

>>505154
Are the germs cucked enough to just let that happen?

 No.505159

It's more interesting to ask why Putin massed an army on the Western border and what Russia gets out of it.

 No.505160

>>505158
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/austria-resists-including-nord-stream-2-eu-package-russia-sanctions-2022-02-11/
>Austria is sticking with its opposition to including the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline in a package of sanctions against Moscow that the European Union is preparing in the event Russia invades Ukraine
>1 day ago
We'll see, but they are being disobedient.

 No.505161

>>505159
Because Ukraine declared it would "de-occupy" Crimea back in March, newfag.

 No.505162

>>505161
I know I posted that article earlier. That's not the only thing Russia gets out of it. For example there were talks of setting up permanent bases in Ukraine by the US and NATO not long ago they said they would not do those now in the official US response to Moscow's demands for security guarantees.

 No.505163


 No.505164

They (US) is also willing to now negotiate on the deployment of previously banned medium-range and shorter-range missiles in Europe. This was a big thing Trumpf wanted to do. Until recently, the US and its NATO allies publicly called it "unacceptable and untrustworthy" to negotiate on this. The US response to Moscow's demands directly states that the Americans agree to negotiate on this issue. The letter clarifies that the US is ready to discuss a transparency mechanism with Russia to confirm the absence of Tomahawk cruise missiles at Aegis Ashore installation sites in Romania and Poland provided that Russia provides mutual terms of transparency regarding the two US-selected ground-based missile bases at its territory.

 No.505165

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/europe/ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelensky-coup-intl/index.html

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky says a group of Ukrainians and Russians is planning to carry out a coup against him next week.

Speaking at a news conference in Kiev on Friday, the President said he had received intelligence information, which included audio, indicating the coup is planned for December 1 or 2.

Zelensky said there was audio of Ukrainian and Russian plotters discussing the plan. Ukraine's president said the alleged plotters also mentioned the name of one of Ukraine's richest men, Rinat Akhmetov.

Zelensky alleged Akhmetov – the owner of Ukrainian financial and industrial holding company System Capital Management (SCM) – was "drawn into the war against the state of Ukraine" by people who surrounded him, but he didn't explain what he meant or provide any evidence to support his allegations.

 No.505166

Also all the instructors and Western troops have been evacuating from Ukraine.

 No.505167

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-zelenskiy-akhmetov-debt/31669233.html

Ukraine last week finished paying off 3 billion hryvnyas ($106 million) it owed to Akhmetov's DTEK for renewable energy it had produced, the company said in a January 24 statement.

Ukrenergo, the state-owned power transmission company, last year raised several hundred million dollars through a bond sale in order to pay off debt owed to the nation’s renewable energy sector.

The government paid back all companies except DTEK, which accused the government of discrimination and threatened to sue.

The failure to pay DTEK came amid reports of growing tensions between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and Akhmetov over a host of issues, including energy prices, media coverage, and new restrictions on powerful businessmen.

Akhemtov, whose net worth is estimated at about $7 billion by Forbes, owns a large slice of the Ukrainian economy, including steel and power plants, coal mines, banks, and media assets.

 No.505168

>>505167
Curiously enough all the oligarchs are evacuating Ukraine in private jets right now. Including Akhmetov.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/02/13/7323857/?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop

 No.505169

>>505157
>>505163
Listen here you lil shit, there won't be any Soviet Reunion. Enough with this shit, history end when Soviet collapse, ye hear?!

Everything else is nothingburger, retards

 No.505170


 No.505171

OP CREATE THE THREAD, YOU LAZY ASS pwease

 No.505172

jesus christ just copy and paste the OP

 No.505173

>>505159
Because it's Russian territory, and Russia does military exercises every year there

 No.505174

>>505159
Oh, and it needs proving that Russia is actually creating stockpiles and military fronts for an attack. Russia doesn't show any kind of logistics created for such a thing

 No.505175

>>744870
>>744870
new thread

 No.505176

……..

 No.505177

WSWS DROPS NEW OFFICIAL STATEMENT
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/14/pers-f14.html

<28. War with Russia in Ukraine, however it begins or whatever the course of its initial stages, will not be contained. It will follow an uncontrollably expansive logic. Every state in the region will be drawn into the conflict. The Black Sea, the shoreline of which laps across seven countries, will be transformed into a cauldron of escalating conflict, sweeping across Transcaucasia, the Caspian Sea region, Central Asia and beyond.


<29. China will see its own interests directly threatened and would be dragged into the war. Conflict would ensue over Taiwan. Iran and Israel would be caught up in the warfare. Japan and Australia would rapidly follow. At some point the use of nuclear weapons would be seen as a way out. And in every theater of this conflict, the United States will be centrally involved, with a devastating loss of life and massive levels of social dislocation.


<36. The way forward for the Russian and Ukrainian working class requires a global perspective. It must be stressed that opposition to Putin does not involve aligning with imperialism. Pseudo-left denunciations of Russian and Chinese “imperialism” have no relation to the historical development of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries. Rather, they express the alignment of petty-bourgeois forces with Washington. It is necessary to oppose imperialism without adapting to Russian nationalism, and to oppose Russian nationalism without adapting to imperialism.


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