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Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WIN
VLADOLF PUTLER MOMENT
>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other points
So, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?
I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.
Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.
Btw this also applies to China.
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It seems Donetsk and Lugansk joined on that Hoi4 arrows game
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1494987633059110912?cxt=HHwWgIC5wZvVob8pAAAA
>Donetsk intel managed to snatch the masterplan for the upcoming US-ordered Kiev blitzkrieg.
>Donetsk's Basurin says their main goal is to "cleanse" Donbass from Russian speakers - that is, those who have not been evacuated.
>And to reach the Russian border in 2 days max.(Disclaimer: Pepe Escobar is usually 70% true 30% hype bullshit so treat it accordingly).
No.508231
>>508228sources for referendums?
No.508232
>>508228>if you don't think LPR and DPR are communist countries here to usher in a world revolution, you must think Putin is literally Hitlerwhy must you burgers see everything as black and white? what's up with this binary thinking? they've done a study recently and apparently how mammals and other animals make decisions is their brain reduced everything to a binary choice, so the animal just has to keep choosing between two options and that's how it makes decisions.
No.508234
>>508228Tourist moment, that has been the consensus on DPR and LPR for years
No.508238
uyghas is it really gonna happen, I don't feel like going to work anymore, i want WW3
No.508239
>>508238You're not alone, m8. Screw with daily retarded life tbh. We need war & escalation to end the mess they just made years ago. Now if only we got enough revolutionaries who literally done something out there instead becoming armchair & endless debate in imageboads & every cesspool of social media.
No.508240
>>508238>>508239Best case scenario is unfortunately for you huge blueballing with Germany's gas and imports from China cut off but no war, and Minsk reaffirmed by either detente or limited RF military intervention again Ukraine in the Donbas.
I mean the real best case scenario is probably NS2 getting activated but the Germans apparently need to learn a lesson for that to happen.
No.508241
>>508238>>508239If things turns out like WW1 again, then there should be similar Bolsheviks organization uprising at the end of the war or during the war later.
Remember:
The history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farceHistory is class struggle No.508242
>>508240>NS2 activatedWhat's the point becoming burgers pawn or Russian pawn?
No.508243
>>508235>>508236>>508237who are the presidents of LPR and DPR? Are they lifelong communists? How were they elected? Are they freedom fighters that have been on the ground since 2014,fighting for their clay?
spoiler alert:
they're Russian millionaires, literally flown in to come and lead LPR and DPR. No.508244
>>508243>who are the presidents of LPR and DPR? Are they lifelong communists? How were they elected? Are they freedom fighters that have been on the ground since 2014,fighting for their clay? The luhansk president was a renowned policeman.
Cope Ukrop.
No.508245
>>508243Post source about spoiler. And if there's no war, I hope US got lynch harder along with entire anglosphere.
No.508246
Calm down Ukop
No.508247
Why Ukrainians want to become Western pawn? Why just don't go along with Russia & China & abandon the weak Westerners?
No.508248
Like you can still got Ukraine like in the Soviet era. Soviet Reunion later should be suffice to bring back the good old days.
No.508249
>>508242Maybe Germany could take off the cuck cage and put on some big boy pants and interact with other influential countries as if they're a leading country in one of the world's largest trading blocs, rather than some powerless satellite state.
No.508250
Entire anglosphere is rotten everyday. Westerners should take the L & if they want revenge, you should revive Soviet Union. You must. It's the only way the boundaries between West & East shall gone.
No.508251
>>508244>The luhansk president was a renowned policeman.and as we know, policemen are the most revolutionary profession.
>>508245>Post source about spoiler. look it up. any source I post, you'll find a reason to dismiss it.
No.508253
>>508251>and as we know, policemen are the most revolutionary profession. And as we know, ukrainian policemen are russian millionaire plants.
No.508254
>>508252>The leaders of Kremlin-backed separatist republics in east Ukraine have been made members of President Putin’s ruling United Russia party amid escalating tensions over the Donbas conflict zone.
>Denis Pushilin, who heads the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), and Leonid Pasechnik, who leads the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), were handed party tickets by Dmitry Medvedev, United Russia’s chairman, at its glittering annual congress in Moscow.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-conflict-putin-invites-separatist-leaders-into-his-party-5wstpsw3hIf they're communists, why wouldn't they join the KPRF? 🤔
No.508255
>>508253True, if you're in a different country, you cannot be contacted or bribed.
No.508256
>>508255Answer me this.
Is Ukraine a sovereign nation?
No.508257
>>508247The West Is Best™, obviously
We're the Western Chauvinists, hey-o!
*big band music plays*
No.508259
>>508256what does that have to do with anything? you're basically saying that if someone is in the Ukrainian military police they are immune to foreign influence or bribery. your retort to "he's a Russian millionaire" is "impossible! he was a Ukrainian cop". both presidents have Russian citizenship and both of them are millionaires, therefore they're Russian millionaires.
No.508260
>>508258Think I got carried away with the glow soyposting and just had a Pavlovian response to the words "Ukraine" and "sovereign nation" now I read it back lol
No.508261
>>508260 (me)
>>508258 (me)
me btw
No.508262
>>508260>certain words trigger a heuristic response in binary thinking anonsyou don't say!
No.508264
>the German minority in Pol… uhh I mean the Russian minority in Ukraine is under attack!
VLADOLF PUTLER MOMENT
No.508265
>>508264This is all getting a little 1933-1945 for me (that's a history reference). What I'm saying is that Putin is Hitler.
No.508266
>>508247Ukraine has a mild interest in BRI to be honest, and that's why China cucked out on recognizing Crimea is Russia to this day.
No.508267
>>508256No.
The only sovereign nations on the planet are China Russia the Us Iran Israel and the DPRK.
Every other nation is cucked in a way or another.
(Many in multiple ways).
No.508268
>Draghi does not want sanctions on Russia to target SWIFT or energy sector
<Even their own handpicked assets are fucking them up
NATObros is it over for us?
No.508269
I'm living in Germany and the inflation on food is crazy. Now our cuck leaders wanna bow down to the USA, cancel Nordstream 2 and instead import even more expensive liquified gas from the USA. Our foreign minister said Germany is willing to make big economic sacrifices to counter Russia, as if she is the one making sacrifices and not us normal proletarians
No.508270
>>508268Who is talking about SWIFT? I thought all of NATO was on board with that being off the table.
>>508269Haha oh m8, don't worry they want to export ban the Chinese too, for reasons.
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>>508219yet it seems telegram do not strip if you upload as files
either the evacuation was planned in advance, or telegram/some nato guys reuploaded it later.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AricToler/status/1494738571483353092?s=20&t=5FxAyvFvHAkAjjdADSwaRA No.508275
>>508270Us warhawks want to pull Russia off Swift. Nobody in Europe does want it though, as you pointed out.
No.508276
>>508269That's what you get for killing Rosa and supporting SPD&NSDAP over KPD
No.508278
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No.508279
>>508210>expels diplomat for no reasonlying by omission is so fucking vile, and braindead tiktok libs are going to deepthroat this shit and ask for more.
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