Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WIN
VLADOLF PUTLER MOMENT
>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other points
So, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?
I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.
Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.
Btw this also applies to China.
>>507684Ukrops are a bunch of cucks. Even when I was a lib and supported Ukraine I wondered why they never put up a fight against the occupation of the Crimea. And now they can't even take out some rebels.
They deserve to get rolled.
>>507684We are talking about a state that his interior minister says one day that no intel shows Russia would invade Ukraine and the next day his head of state says OMGSH RUSSHIA INVADING US.
What do you think?
>>507684If Russia is actually evacuating Donetsk/Luhansk and paying for food and shelter of refugees, that seems like a lot of effort for a false flag
some evacuation images:
>>754545>>754527>>754456 >>507689Lol. +1
>>507692more nothingburgers
>>507693Another victim of Vladolf Putler's hologenocidomor against Ukraine.
He probably ate her lard as well.
>>507699Tbh I would say Puttler.
#TeamPuttler
>>507673>>754544Your government is full of U.S. military bases and thousands of U.S. soldiers. Even if some faction in Germany had the balls to commit to their words, they would be coup'ed in no time.
I warned all of you, this is a win for the U.S., and nothingburgeres ignoring all these things happening were very idiotic.
This is a personal vendetta of the U.S. for Syria, for helping to evade sanctions to other nations, for the oil/gas influence in Europe, etc.
Video of the car explosion aftermath.
>>507683Stop projecting. I work from home, thus I can render and design while spend time here.
>nothing>tons of weapons to Ukraine is nothing>capitalists running out of Ukraine is nothing>threats to stop NS-II, and forcing Germans to cancel the project is nothing.>azov battlion being integrated into the militarary state is nothing.and more recently
>hundreds of civilians starting to evacuate DR to Russia is nothing.Nothingburgerers, are you implying that you shouldn't be marching in a peace march in your country because nothing is happening?
>>507737Except you see the videos of the evacuation and you don't see people angry or protesting or swearing. Retard take.
>>507733Hi, CIA-tard. Getting the memo earlier this day?
>>507733t. evil piece of shit who thinks civilians only exist to serve a purpose, like arming them so they can get shot on live TV
glow more
>>507749You'll have to find another war to start, another country to shart on. Your MIC will continue to be blueballed while Putin continues to fuck with you and never invade Ukraine.
kek imagine if he just keeps doing this and sharts keep screaming "two more days" forever while the Germs freeze to death
>>507749lol
And is Putin fault the 9/11.
>>507750Now this's the shitposting I am into.
>>507760Luka is so mad-lad.
Well, they were the republic that less-wanted to dissolve from the USSR.
>>507766My bad, my post
>>507765 was meant for the Lukashenko colonel video.
>>507767Belarus is Russia closest ally, protectorate state tbh. Should Ukraine has vanished, Lukashenko shall become Belarus governor under Russia rule, & not just given colonel rank.
Also the founders of the Kievan Rus were the first Tsars of Russia, hence forth Ukraine is a fake country made by Poland and the Germans to create a false sense of identity.
>>507769How did you get that
>there was an increase of violence from the Ukrainian sidefrom that
>showing readiness to do everything necessary to restore the ceasefire?
>>507771Read the note, "restore the ceasefire" comes last, "there was" an increase comes first. It is indeed a response to the escalation.
Tho, that won't matter, the Ukrainian side has pushed the snowball to roll, if they have asked civilians to leave the zone is because they are going to war. It is a matter of whether Russia will go alongside or will shell from distance with surgical precision. I think the second is the to-go option for Russians.
>>507773And of course they will claim the opposite lmao.
>>507773So, they will bomb the fuck out of the buses with missiles and say that the Russian did it, that they were planted regardless of looking like the explosions came from the sky and from ukraine.
Putin pls invade Ukraine.
>>507790 (me)
Also, one must ask him from where he got the video with metadata because all social media erases the metadata when you download the videos on it, for privacy reasons, of course.
Even l/pol/ I think erases metadata.
>>507788>>507791But he says in video "Today, the 18th of February"
It's more likely that metadata is fake than that it was recorded at 16th with genuine intentions.
children being evacuated
https://nitter.snopyta.org/RealPepeEscobar/status/1494705250472796165#m>>507793Doesn't even seem like that big a deal to me, my understanding is that Minsk is violated more often than a Catholic altar boy
>>507794I see.
Some more information:
>The localities attacked have been Kalinovka, Zhelobok, and Zolotoye-5.>Some 700,000 residents of the Donetsk People's Republic are planned to be evacuated, the local Foreign Ministry said.>Denis Pushilin and Leonid Pasechnik are the names of the leaders from the localities where it was asked to leave to Russia.Plus more videos of the evacuation.
NOTE THE ANGER NOOOO, WE DON'T WANT, NOTHING IS HABBENING, REEE (t.
>>507737 Oleksiy with an EU flag)
>>507795There you go, Telegram does erase the metadata.
All of these:
>>507719 (me)
>>754545 (me)>>754527 (me)>>754456 (me)Are from TG, and they have altered metadata:
(This is one of the pictures)
>>507802I mean, if there's no civilians, you can't bomb drone their weddings.
No civilians = No bomb drone weddings =
NO FUN >>507801Isn't Telegram literally built on being "Whatsapp but a lot more secure"?
Like, if Whatsapp probably does this, why not Telegram?
>>507807Ask your friend to install TG, ask him to send by default a picture of him taken by his phone to your TG. Check metadata.
Try it in instagram posts, facebook posts, whatsapp stories, profile pictures, signal profile pictures, etc.
Most likely yes, the Twitter account faked the metadata.
There are some settings in which you can ask your phone to send pictures with the metadata in some apps like whatsapp (I don't remember, I might be wrong here), but that's not the default.
>>5078160.5 It will be the same bullcrap all over again.
It might even be the same video we saw some days ago repeated all over again.
>>507816Well, the thing is now the things are getting hotter. I think they will deflect the warnings as an excuse for the Russian counterpart to stage an invasion or something like that. Still not saying they will intervene in Ukraine, but threatening more than never the destruction of the NS-II.
>>507817kek, they might put joe sleeping and the result would be the same.
>>507812Oh no ukraine was invaded in December, but Putin sent us into a paralell dimension with nothingburgers while he conquered Ukraine and now we are seeing the real events unfold 😱
>>507833Nope, the commander-in-chief of Ukrainian Armed Forces said they would evacuate some settlements around Donbass.
You didn't actually think "Ukraine is not planning any offensive operations" was genuine, did you?
>>507832 (me)
>>507825>>507821One thousand hours in paint.
Biden speech will be hosted on cytube
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/HappeningsviaKlash1 hour 20 minutes from now (he will probably be late tho)
Eduard Basurin, leader of the Donbas Republic militias, in an interview in Соловьёв YT channel, commented they decided to evacuate people in the contact zone of Donbas with Ukraine, with the risk of sabotages and intervention.
The interview on the channel:
https://youtu.be/J1E2Jj7O508 (in Russian).
>>507846Like animals would be left them be in the hands of the Ukrainians who banned the Russian language at all levels and like in the clash of the Union building in Odessa, being killed freely.
>>507853>Those idiots are actually doing itWtf?! Why would the Ukrainians attack the Donbass with the Russians on their border? Are they that confident of NATO support?
If I didn't know better, I'd say this is a false flag for Putin to gain a casus belli, and this is definitely how Western media is going to spin this.
Is this just Azov sperging out?
>>507886check 'em.
Didn't see you.
Next time fly over Donbas :3
>>507828hahahahaha
>>754730>They will not get their pipelineI want the pipeline. Otherwise food will get super expensive for me. Russia doesn't need Europe to buy its gas. China will keep on increasing its buying of gas at an even higher rate.
>>507760Gad damn, what a chad.
>>507901>WhoMe
>WhenNow
>WhereYour Anus
>>507900>>507895You're right.
>Russian exports in the first ten months of 2021 totaled $388.4 billion, an increase of 42.8% over the same period last year>China (trade turnover of US$112.4 billion) So they would essentially lose around 2/3 of their exports.
BUT, this would only be a temporary setback, assuming Russia doesn't collapse. Since high gas prices will increase the pressure to ship industry to China. I guess it's a double suicide if they shut off gas.
Ok, since shit is going to hit the fan, do you guys think this is gonna be just regional (Donbas), country-wide, or will it escalate to something even more?
>>507894nothingburberinos btfo
>>755001I'd rather live to see the end of this conflict.
>>507924highly limited intervention with small expansion of DPR/LNR controlled territory followed by Minsk-3 agreement which won't be respected.
You can always bet on Putin to go for frozen conflicts as an end result
>>507894How good is Russell Bentley at predictions ?
He thinks a few days from now will be a happening.
>>507929It is cheap. Much cheaper than other options across the globe.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2016/01/22/adjusting-the-taps-on-oil-priceAlthough is old, is quite adjusted for today's reality (not adjusted to inflation, but adjusts to everyone). Russia can sell to Asia and Africa, two ever hungry of energy places in the world.
So if Russell Bentley is right, Ukraine militias are about to invade, and Russia will come in to protect. If true, there will be a tidal wave of Western propaganda. The fighting will happen in the independent regions, so I predict they will refer to those regions as 'Ukraine' so that 'Russia invaded Ukraine' is true.
>>507963Good take, I still don't think they will invade.
>>507964Russia might move troops in just to protect from militias, who actually do defy basic logic. Russia would say they did it because Ukraine has no intention of enacting Minsk.
>>507964But it's him who decides, not Ukraine and not Russia. It's been like that for weeks now.
Russia: We're not going to invade.
Ukraine: We don't believe in threat of invasion and we won't fall for provocations.
USA: WAR IS IMMINENT RUSSIANS WILL TAKE KIEV IN 48 HOURS BUY OUR WEAPONS
>>507969Interesting fact about Putin
http://www.karlremarks.com/2013/09/the-incredible-story-of-how-putin-used.html>Few people will know of the role chess played in Soviet strategic thinking and the various programmes that the USSR established to train its military and intelligence elites in the art of Zevsebia, or chess-think. Chess-think was for the USSR what game theory was for the US during the Cold War, but the Soviets went further than the Americans in making chess-think second nature to their cadres.
>According to Soviet documents that were declassified in 2004, the first Zevsebia programme was initiated in 1932 when Stalin, an obsessive chess player, put the man who would later head the NKVD Beria in charge of running the programme. Beria recruited Russian chess grandmaster Kavlov, also a keen amateur boxer who won a bronze medal in the 1924 Olympics, and charged him with developing the outline of the programme.Kavlov’s template was to survive almost unchanged until 1986, when Gorbachev, who had an aversion to chess, cancelled the programme after decades of successful operation during which it trained hundreds of the top Soviet cadres. Kavlov’s combination of intellectual and physical rigorous training provided a winning formula for the programme, and Stalin often joked that graduates were ‘our own Supermen’.
>The programme was only offered however to a small number of top operatives that had the appropriate levels of mental and physical fitness to pass the rigorous training. In the KGB for example, only agents promoted to the prestigious X2, nicknamed the steel professors, were allowed to receive a Zevsebia training. The X2, as you might have expected, was Vladimir Putin’s old unit in the KGB. An even more interesting fact is that the six remaining Zevsebia graduates are all associated with Putin’s inner policy circles, as former Kremlin insider Yuri Nodov revealed in his critical but obscure 2008 book ‘The Circle’.
>In one of the few available written documents on Zevsebia, Nodov published a description of the programme and its training routines in his book, providing a valuable insight that has gone largely unnoticed in the West. Not only were the trainees subjected to intensive training in tactics, military theory, chess and physical fitness, they were forced to compete in chess under extreme conditions. For example, the trainees were forced to play rounds of chess inside refrigerator rooms at below-zero temperatures. They were also made to compete inside very hot rooms, invariably while hopping one foot or doing push-ups. It isn’t surprising than fewer than fifteen per cent of all candidates graduated from the programme. It won’t come as a surprise that Putin came top of his class. Glowie seething with the first comment to a TeleSUR news report on the recent Mass evacuation from Donbas to Russia:
>Username: Concerning Venezuela>Comment: Donetsk and Luhansk are in Ukraine, according to this report and invasion of Ukraine is iminanet by Ukrainian forces. ??? This is a prime example of the disinformation that is the mainstay of the Maduro regime via propaganda outlets like TeleSUR.Source (youtube):
https://youtu.be/OYD4j7tIIqMSource (invidious):
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=OYD4j7tIIqMforgive english, i am Russia.
i come to study clothing and fashion at American university. i am here little time and i am very hard stress. i am gay also and this very difficult for me, i am very religion person. i never act to be gay with other men before. but after i am in america 6 weeks i am my friend together he is gay also. He was show me American fashion and then we are kiss.
We sex together. I never before now am tell my mother about gay because i am very shame. As i fock this American boy it is very good to me but also i am feel so guilty. I feel extreme guilty as I begin orgasm. I feel so guilty that I pick up my telephone and call Mother in Russia. I awaken her. It too late for stopping so I am cumming sex. I am very upset and guilty and crying, so I yell her, "I AM CUM FROM SEX" (in Russia). She say what? I say "I AM CUM FROM SEX" and she say you boy, do not marry American girl, and I say "NO I AM CUM FROM SEX WITH MAN, I AM IN ASS, I CUM IN ASS" and my mother very angry me. She not get scared though.
I hang up phone and am very embarrass. My friend also he is very embarrass. I am guilt and feel very stupid. I wonder, why do I gay with man? But I continue because when it spurt it feel very good in American ass.
Anyhow, russia will stomp ukrainian.
>>507983There is no "bluffing" going on, idiot. US is deliberately trying to portray Ukraine invading Donbass and Luhansk (
happening right now) as Russian aggression, in order to kill Nordstream 2.
I'm betting even
if Russia just poker-faces through the entire thing and throws Donbass and Luhansk under the bus, the "negotiating table" will have fucking nothing new, and talks will break down for the same reason they did last time.
Biden hinted at zero concessions. Either Russia bends, or US will try to break it.
>>507976This reminds me of how Fidel Castro invented an advanced basketball move called the Eurostep:
https://medium.com/the-shocker/how-fidel-castro-invented-the-euro-step-a-brief-oral-history-1a68c25a4965
>Raul Castro: After we took power in 1959, Fidel would often unwind by playing basketball with some friends and advisers. I think it was around that time that he began to use what would come to be called the Euro Step. It wasn’t universally accepted though. Che, in particular, had some major issues with it for reasons I still struggle to fully grasp.
>Journal Entry by Che Guevara, 12 December 1962“In his frequent basketball matches, Fidel has started using a new move he simply calls ‘The Step.’ It is undeniably effective, yet is its goodness equally undeniable? As revolutionaries we must not merely pay attention to ends, but to means. I worry that this flash and pomp is not befitting of the revolutionary leader. It serves to separate him too much from those caught in the chains of a maudlin life, marred by oppression and economic strife. Yes, it leads to a basket, but at what cost to the communal spirit?”
>Raul Castro: We all knew that Che was the more ideologically motivated of the two of them, but I’m not sure any of us realized just how big the gap between him and Fidel was, before this. Many of us thought, ‘it’s just a basketball move,’ but Che saw it as indicative of a straying from revolutionary means. I’m not sure many of us really understood how he got there. It was a big point of contention though. >>507991it is moments like this that I realize that revolutionary groups are often groups of shizos in idiots just like leftypol.
I can imagine this exact shit happening with some of the people here.
>>508001The namefags are going to be the ones doing the purging, and then they'll be all that's left.
Is that what you want?
>>508003>ooga booga namefagsBy whose consent will they be the ones in charge of purging? Just because they're namefags?
Being a big shot in the beginning didn't save Trotsky.
>>508003>The namefags are going to be the ones doing the purgingpicrel
In other news, two explosions in Donbas, one in a gas station, other in a unknown place. Both explosions were caused by unknown reasons.
>>507993Atlantic Council are like a bunch of LARPing HOI cosplayers
>>508014All that happens is Russia btfos some Ukrainians, whether militia or actual military, then receives some sanctions. Donbass buildings get destroyed. I'm not even sure NS2 gets killed forever. Trump would probably give it back lol
>>508015oh lawd can you imagine a second trump campaign with all the russia shit?
libs' tiny brains will overheat and melt
>>508022 (me)
Sorry, I think that was a gas pipeline… my bad
Jack Matlock, the last US ambassador to the USSR, writing about this crisis:
>Maybe I am wrong—tragically wrong—but I cannot dismiss the suspicion that we are witnessing an elaborate charade, grossly magnified by prominent elements of the American media, to serve a domestic political end. Facing rising inflation, the ravages of Omicron, blame (for the most part unfair) for the withdrawal from Afghanistan, plus the failure to get the full support of his own party for the Build Back Better legislation, the Biden administration is staggering under sagging approval ratings just as it gears up for this year’s congressional elections. Since clear “victories” on the domestic woes seem increasingly unlikely, why not fabricate one by posing as if he prevented the invasion of Ukraine by “standing up to Vladimir Putin”? Actually, it seems most likely that President Putin’s goals are what he says they are—and as he has been saying since his speech in Munich in 2007. To simplify and paraphrase, I would sum them up as: “Treat us with at least a modicum of respect. We do not threaten you or your allies, why do you refuse us the security you insist for yourself?”https://usrussiaaccord.org/acura-viewpoint-jack-f-matlock-jr-todays-crisis-over-ukraine/So thinking about this logically, the evacuation order is actually tactically brilliant. Look at this roadway, it seems to be the main traffic artery from Donetsk city to the big Russian staging area in the direction of Rostov.
If the Russians' objective is to move up and reinforce the republics when shit pops off, they know that any attack on Donetsk, a big city of 900,000 people, will inevitably lead to a huge exodus of refugees taking this exact roadway. And tons of them will run out of fuel, leave cars on the road, lots of civvies walking on foot in the winter weather, etc. clogging up an important transport route and probably a highway of death situation if ukrops shell it.
So they're getting the inevitable out of the way and clearing the way for the armor to move through unperturbed.
I think once the traffic jam of civvies clears up and they're safely out of the way, we might have a habbening.
>>507673literally whats gonna habben
russia invades ukraine and takes over all of eastern ukraine
us sanctions but doesnt do anything. Nato sends forces to western ukraine but wont invade the east.
russia stops and declares ceasefire. The west is humilaited, putin laughs
>>508060>>508066this is even more interesting when you consider it in light of bentley's video a few days ago (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu48GbtH5u8&t=1s) wherein he talks about the potential for human shield tactics being used to counteract russian missile and air strikes. he explicitly talks about the likelihood of the roads to russia being clogged in the event of habbening.
>>508072>The SMM was only able to conduct its assessment from a distance of about 50m from the north-eastern facade and of about 30m from the south-western facade of the damaged building,
as a law enforcement officer did not allow the Mission to access the site saying that an
investigation was ongoing.
>>508067Poland is operating like 4 or 5 types of MBTs now, none of which are compatible with each other
literally a cash cow for western MIC
>>508074Shit, now I get what he means about the roads being small and how the tanks and trucks wouldn't get there on time. And even if they give the convoys another day the roads will probably still be clogged.
Guarantee NATO will screech relentlessly if they deplot planes and missiles to halt an attack. Their propaganda has created such a fog of war in the minds of people that anything Russia does can be spun into a provocation.
>>508057Someone figured out that the satellite image (pic related) seems to actually be of an airbase in Crimea, far from the border, nowhere near Millerovo. Check Google maps:
https://goo.gl/maps/uN6tsbuGmCjPHfrN7 or 45°20'12.6"N 33°02'25.1"E
"6-time Emmy Award winning producer for CBS News", kek
>>508080That's assuming the Ukrainian high command has any clue what they're doing, or if they're just relying on Daddy Yankee to keep them protected. The Afghan army mostly existed on paper to let the commanders skim salaries and fuel and folded in 2 weeks, after all.
They don't necessarily have to know what they're doing or have a complete plan.
>>508081Should give him a Pulitzer, named after the newspaper owner who (along with Hearst) manufactured consent and whipped the public into a frenzy after the Maine bombing in 1898.
>>508090Most obvious false flag ever. Attacked an empty room in a fucking kindergarten, I mean for fuck's sake. It's so ridiculous that fucking Boris Johnson is claiming that it was a false flag made
by Russia. It's clown warfare.
>>508095>Most obvious false flag ever. Attacked an empty room in a fucking kindergarten, I mean for fuck's sake. It's so ridiculous that fucking Boris Johnson is claiming that it was a false flag made by RussiaIt literally goes both ways. Russia is making the same false flag claim
Fog of war, who knows what is true.
>>508101Because they really want to make this a WW3 shit.
Like Bush said, either with us or agaisnt us.
>>508100Yeah, anyone sane would agree, even Ukraine-supporting libs. It's not good for anyone, not NATO, not Russia, not the proles living there. Donbass can't become another Cyprus or Korea, this needs to be ended conclusively one way or another.
>>508104I think the Ukrainians don't want war now that they know NATO won't have their back. I like to think there are shouting matches going on at military HQ and Zelensky is probably getting yelled at by his handlers to set up talks with Putin.
This massive military buildup by Russia may just be a show of force to get them to realize how deep shit they're in, like Operation Paul Bunyan.
>>508108I hope you are okay.
How many people evacuated? Are you going to leave to Russia?
Are you expecting Ukraine militias to invade?
Do you think Russia will send the army in?
Thanks
>>508115<Gonzalo cringeStop it.
As for the CPP position probably is condemnation of both sides, with the bigger fault laid on the US, but this is just an educated guess I'm not presenting official info.
>>508110Thanks, Friend.
I don't have such info as for now, but there is a lot of buses going out of city, also many evacuation posts were set in all major cities, LPR prioritized getting orphants and elderly houses first.
Well I'm Male above 18, so even if i wanted to i couldn't do it.
From Point of ordinary citizens it would terrific for Ukros to invade, but i hope for the best.
My hope that they will, ofc here people can say that Russia is also bad, in which i will agree, but choosing between Eternal President with corrupt Oligarchy, and Bomb Shells falling on your head with ultranat and neo nazi battalions roaming around? I'd choose the first.
>>508113>>508114I absolutely should, thanks comrades
>>508115prepare yourself for the most deranged answers ITT>>508117Kek, I knew this was a larp.
No Donbas resident pro-Ukraine, anti-Russia remained there.
>>508120 (me)
The two first videos are the explosions in the Donbas.
>>508107>Zelensky is probably getting yelled at by his handlers to set up talks with Putinbiden called him to yell at him too, because he wasn't playing up the invasion enough
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/27/politics/biden-zelensky-call/index.htmlthis poor guy's getting shit on from all sides, i'd be amazed if he makes it to the end of the year without a coup (or survives at all)
>>508120i'm pro russian as in return donbass to russia, but not pro putin, albeit, i recognize that he is the better option for RF rn.
>>508121 Seems i Foocked Up, but not much, DNR and LNR news crosslinked a lot, our leader - Leonid Pasechnik only encouraged all able-bodied men to stay and pick up the gun, also created commissions for the initial registration of citizens for military registry.
(official LNR news source btw, if any of you want)
https://lug-info.com/news/glava-lnr-poruchil-sozdat-komissii-po-pervonachal-noj-postanovke-grazhdan-na-voinskij-uchet >>508127No shame in leaving if you have no military background or training. Hope your family's safe, this is the calm before the storm.
>>508128Takes a special kind of retard to want to be a figurehead for all kinds of interests. Didn't a bunch of oligarchs fly out and leave him in the dust a few days ago?
>>508127>i'm pro russian as in return donbass to russia, but not pro putin, albeit, i recognize that he is the better option for RF rn.A sensibble opinion. In every single international debacle into which America stuck its nose, it picked the worst side possible, with the only
possible exception being Afghanistan. And even that's debatable, because America is the reason that country is a fundamentalist shithole in the first place.
>>508115The Maoist position is that these Ukraine-Russia "tensions" are the expression or a broader Inter-Imperialist Conflict in which no real Communists should take sides. A great explanation of this position is seen in this article from Tribune of the People
https://tribuneofthepeople.news/2022/01/28/tensions-escalate-as-us-and-russian-imperialism-contend-for-dominance-in-ukraine/ .
>>508135>Conflict in which no real Communists should take sidesTold ya
>>508115, retarded takes.
>>508141According to Bentley, the Ukrainian infantry can bring it to him faster than Russian APCs.
He should order from a Kiev Pizza Hut and ask if Zelensky can deliver it.
>>508148Yeah, and only CIA payrolled ultras believe not picking sides is the [insert the current virtue signaling of your fashion taste here] correct take.
You don't live in a 3rd world country sanctioned to shit out of the U.S. I do, I can tell your shit armchairing will not help me, unlike what Russia does.
>>508155Don't dig too deep into his rationale, or else you will get crazy.
>>508154Who says I am not at a party. I travel every day from 7 to the afternoon to talk with some comrades and workers in my local community. That doesn't mean having the need to throw to the cesspool the few gains just to form a guerrilla cellule to overthrow the guy in charge and expect the capitalists of the west don't overrun us in a blink.
Go outside, JFK.
>>508166The FRSO are Revisionists who uphold Dengist China as a "Socialist" state and the Revcoms are Schizo cultists (they put Bob Avakian on the same level as Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao), so I would definatly stay away from those two groups. Everything I have heard about For The People and the MCP-OC is very positive (They are Marxist-Leninist-Maoists of the Sisonite variety), especially their highly developed stance on the National Question with regards to the Oppressed Nations/Internal Colonies in the U$, so if your interested you should definatly check them out.
However, I would think twice before joining any Communist organizations in the U$, because as I have said many times the U$ is the least likely country to have a Socialist Revolution, due to it being not just part of the Imperial Core, but it probably being the most Anti-Communist country on earth with deeply rooted Settler-Colonialism (it literally traces its roots back to a Joint-Stock Company that ran Tobacco plantations with Slave labor) that makes the White Working Class willing bootlickers of the Global Imperialist-Capitalist System. Thus joining any Communist organization in the U$ risks putting yourself in great risks for little reward (its one thing to part yourself in danger if their is a serious chance of success, but it is quite another to do so if your doomed from the start), and this is the reason I myself am not apart of any and I keep my ideological activities to cyberspace, LOL.
>>508181>Should the US just annex Mexico because "let the capitalists fight this out"?yes actually
communist revolution and a united proletariat would be much easier under a single government world
>>5081791) Please refrain from dodging the question
2) These two capitalist entities are very different from one another, with one representing the dominant imperialist power in the world and another representing a counterhegemonic state which, while unreliable and aspiring towards becoming an imperial power, nevertheless has a bourgeoise with a more tenuous, less hegemonic base of support (Putin needs the threat of western aggression to justify his shitty, kleptocratic government, and Russia has a marxist past that was fondly remembered by the people who lived through it, as well as more robust communist organizations. Moreover, it can barely help its CIS bourgeois allies control their own popular uprisings, as seen in Kazakhstan). If Russia scores a victory and NATO backs down, it thwarts the US-NATO projection of power in Europe, which gives Russia some breathing room for popular discontent to be realized in an actual revolution and not a color revolution. If NATO wins, you get one more comprador state to further expand its hegemony.
>>508137In liberal spaces, Russians are the people you are actually allowed to be racist against. I don't use the word lightly. But "muh GDP" and stuff like that is for liberals what "black crime statistics" are for /pol/yps.
In general, Russophobia is widely accepted and you are ridiculed when you point it out, both in the US and in Europe. The only type of racism that Europeans practice even more is antiziganism. You can basicallt say that Roma and Sinti are thieves and should be expelled, that Russians are genetically prone to deception, and still go home and be a good woke liberal that cares about LGBT and whatever.
>>508191>Tfw nobody said thatThis is in terms of probabilities. The lack of NATO balances the odds in favor of popular discontent being shifted to the communists vs color revolution neolibs, and workers in Kazakhstan were able to achieve some victories in their popular, but not communist uprising, since NATO didn’t really interfere with it. But it’s not gonna make a revolution guaranteed and nobody has said it here.
If you’re gonna strawman people, do it better
>>508192This single issue was the end-all be-all? Not the proto-capitalist political economic developments of landless
peasants and landed kulaks? Or the worker soviets of the 1905 revolution?
>>508136I gotta say that I found this take quite balanced and reasonable, I expected worse.
>>508135This feels more detached from reality than the CPP one,demonstrating that the Filipinos are politically wiser on average than Gonzaloids.
It seems Donetsk and Lugansk joined on that Hoi4 arrows game
https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1494987633059110912?cxt=HHwWgIC5wZvVob8pAAAA
>Donetsk intel managed to snatch the masterplan for the upcoming US-ordered Kiev blitzkrieg.
>Donetsk's Basurin says their main goal is to "cleanse" Donbass from Russian speakers - that is, those who have not been evacuated.
>And to reach the Russian border in 2 days max.(Disclaimer: Pepe Escobar is usually 70% true 30% hype bullshit so treat it accordingly).
>>508238>>508239Best case scenario is unfortunately for you huge blueballing with Germany's gas and imports from China cut off but no war, and Minsk reaffirmed by either detente or limited RF military intervention again Ukraine in the Donbas.
I mean the real best case scenario is probably NS2 getting activated but the Germans apparently need to learn a lesson for that to happen.
>>508238>>508239If things turns out like WW1 again, then there should be similar Bolsheviks organization uprising at the end of the war or during the war later.
Remember:
The history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farceHistory is class struggle >>508235>>508236>>508237who are the presidents of LPR and DPR? Are they lifelong communists? How were they elected? Are they freedom fighters that have been on the ground since 2014,fighting for their clay?
spoiler alert:
they're Russian millionaires, literally flown in to come and lead LPR and DPR. >>508243>who are the presidents of LPR and DPR? Are they lifelong communists? How were they elected? Are they freedom fighters that have been on the ground since 2014,fighting for their clay? The luhansk president was a renowned policeman.
Cope Ukrop.
>>508244>The luhansk president was a renowned policeman.and as we know, policemen are the most revolutionary profession.
>>508245>Post source about spoiler. look it up. any source I post, you'll find a reason to dismiss it.
>>508255Answer me this.
Is Ukraine a sovereign nation?
>>508247The West Is Best™, obviously
We're the Western Chauvinists, hey-o!
*big band music plays*
>>508260 (me)
>>508258 (me)
me btw
>>508256No.
The only sovereign nations on the planet are China Russia the Us Iran Israel and the DPRK.
Every other nation is cucked in a way or another.
(Many in multiple ways).
>>508268Who is talking about SWIFT? I thought all of NATO was on board with that being off the table.
>>508269Haha oh m8, don't worry they want to export ban the Chinese too, for reasons.
>>508101 >>508219yet it seems telegram do not strip if you upload as files
either the evacuation was planned in advance, or telegram/some nato guys reuploaded it later.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AricToler/status/1494738571483353092?s=20&t=5FxAyvFvHAkAjjdADSwaRA Unique IPs: 118