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 No.508909[View All]

Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
FULL SIZZLEGANG FOR THE WIN
VLADOLF PUTLER MOMENT
TO WATCH FOR NEWS: https://liveuamap.com/

>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other points

So, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?

I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).
>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.
>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.
>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.

Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.
>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.
>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.

Btw this also applies to China.
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 No.509494

>>509492
That falseflag caused the mobilization of the DPR and LPR to Russia of their children, women, and elderly, the call to arms of their leader, and a complete mobilization on their part.
If they believe it is not a falseflag, who are you to say it is not?

 No.509495

>>509486
and the spd who is the larger power in the german government has shown to still have a somewhat netural stance cmpared to the green party.

plus the other party the spd is alligned to is the literal porkie party. And the porkie party is mainly concerned about economic gains



>>509489

yes but what automatically causes a nation to act like they do is ultimately economic self interest. a lot of actions historically behind the ideological justifications for an action has mainly economic reasons

And sure they might try to find an alternative due to ideology but the problem is what alternative is there? the only ones that are mentioned are the turkey or israel one that the other anon showed is subpar

once again sure they might delay it but eventually they will face a wall that is material reality. Its like the time tinammin square happened and the westoids got all pissy and sanctiony. And then 3 years later forgot about it made more deals and china ascended into the wto

 No.509496

>artillery volleyball

Still a nothing burger until we see some actual fighting, otherwise it's like I said in the other thread, posturing and a game of chicken

 No.509497

>>509493
It is economic suicide-by-ideology. Expect the German industry to be less competitive because of this economic cuckoldry.

 No.509498

>>509493
>There are definitely some furious German bourgeois right now
There are. But this faction of capital does not have a decisive majority and transatlantic finance capital still dominates.

Scholz also put on a fake image when he went to Moscow. He backtracked everything and now we are in a situation where they openly tell us that things will get worse because of this dumb issue.

Every fifth child in Germany lives in poverty, that is also defined by not being able to turn on the heater, causing children to go to bed in sweaters or jackets. We need this fucking pipeline to open up, but the base of the Green Party doesn't care, they are proven to be in the highest income bracket of all parties.

 No.509499

>>509496
artillery fire is fighting you animal. Artillery is the most devastating tool of war, its usually the most casualties in a conventional war

 No.509500

Some more news:
UKRAINIAN ARMY CONTINUES MASSIVE SHELLING OF DONETSK AND LUHANSK

~ The Ukrainian army continuously fires 120mm mortars at the settlements of Zaitseve and Dokuchaevsk in the Donetsk region.

Thousands of shells were fired during the day, mainly at civilian infrastructure and residential areas in the districts of Gorlovka and Lugansk, currently under massive artillery fire by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Dozens have been reported only in the last hour.

A few hours ago, the car of the head of the People’s Militia of the DPR Denis Sinyakov was blown up by Ukrainian saboteurs in the center of Donetsk

At midnight on February 19, a critical element of the Luhansk People’s Republic infrastructure – the node of the Druzhba (Дружба) gas pipeline – exploded. The strong blast shook the whole of Lugansk.

Another explosion in Lugansk thundered in the Kamennobrodsky district. A gas station was blown up there.

A couple of hours before, two transformer substations in the Donetsk Republic were damaged by shelling. The Ukrainian army is deliberately destroying the infrastructure of Donetsk and Lugansk, thereby implementing the idea of the President of Ukraine of Zelensky’s “indomitable” nationality, that all residents of these regions who disagree with Ukrainian Government in Kiev should flee to Russia.

The President of Ukraine, Zelensky: “I think that if you live today in the territory of Donbass, temporarily occupied, and you think that: “Our cause is right, we are Russians, we are going to Russia, it’s a big mistake to stay in Donbass…” For the future of their children and grandchildren… it is already necessary to go and look for a place in Russia. It is right. Because there will be no civilization on this territory without Ukraine. Ukraine will grow upwards, Donbass in the occupied form will not grow anywhere. There will be no happiness for these people.”

At the same time, when there are massive shelling and terrorist attacks in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, US President Biden during a press conference accused the DPR and the LPR of violating the ceasefire and said that there is no evidence that Ukraine is preparing an attack.


From the link:
https://southfront.org/ukrainian-army-continues-massive-shelling-of-donetsk-and-luhansk/
CONTAINS A LOT OF VIDEOS TO WATCH if someone likes to upload them here, go ahead.

 No.509501

>>509498
Stunning stuff. Greens are truly astounding
>>509497
Sounds like they are openly admitting it

 No.509502

>>509498
SPD, CDU represent industrial capital. They will be very affected by rising energy prices. They are the type Chen praises, the type that wanna do business with Russia and China.

Greens and FDP represent finance capital. They don't care about energy prices, just jerking off the USA.

The media is controlled by transatlanticists. The SPD depends on Greens and FDP to rule. So far it is looking like the industrialists will bend to the financiers.

 No.509503

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>>509500
"Our actions are purely defensive in nature"

 No.509504

>China's foreign minister Wang Yi tells #MSC2022 that the sovereignty, independence & territorial integrity of every country should be safeguarded. "Ukraine is no exception," he says

https://twitter.com/noahbarkin/status/1494999291802312708

 No.509505

I wonder what America is threatening Germany with to make them kill the pipeline…. Would they sanction Germany? I mean I don't think it would be the first time lol

 No.509506

>>509502
Scholz is SPD.

 No.509507

>>509506
Yes, but only with the majority provided by Green and FDP, which are both reliably transatlantic cucks.

 No.509508

>>509468
>so it might be an Afghanistan but with Nazis
so, afganistan?

 No.509509

>>509391 {class traitor}
>>509393 {class traitor}
>>509408 {class traitor}
>>509436 {class traitor}
>>509470 {class traitor}
>>509480 {class traitor}

 No.509510

>>509504
>China
<Shit foreign policy

Name a more iconic duo

 No.509511

>>509505
The German elite is so reliably transatlanticist that they do not need to be threatened. Search for Atlantikbrücke

 No.509512

>>509505
..?

Nothing. America is the hegemon. They've been since Suez Crisis. You don't fucking bargain with your vassal.

 No.509513

>>509510
It seems they value the EU market more than any geopolitical advantages aligning with Russia on this might bring.

>muh productive forces

 No.509514

>>509504
lol muh based Sino Russian alliance

 No.509515

>>509509
I'm loyal to my class, the proletariat, and Marxism-Leninism.

 No.509516

>>509454
Anti-Revisionists (I am a Maoist and Leninhat is a Hoxhaist) are not a joke, Revisionists like yourself are the joke. This is because all you guys do is take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts by shilling for the Capitalist, Social Imperialist and Social Fascist state of Dengist China and the Capitalist and Imperialist state of Putinist Russia, while Anti-Revisionists (particularly Maoists) are waging Protracted People's Wars in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru.

>>509509
Revisionist Dengists like yourself are the Class Traitors, not Leninhat.

 No.509517

>>509512
IIRC, at first they kinda suggested that they were reluctant to kill it, then Biden said on national TV something like "trust us, they'll do it," then they confidently confirmed that, so it seemed like something changed

 No.509518

Is there not more than one leninhat? it's just a flag

 No.509519

There should be at least two of them

 No.509520

>>509504
>>509510
>>509514
I guess the Dengists are backstabbing the Duginists/Eurasianists/Vlasovites after all, LMFAO. I wonder how the Revisionist "Multipolar" Schizos will cope with this, LOL.

 No.509521

>>509510
But Russia has said multiple times they don't want to invade 🤔 why is shit if Russia hasn't asked for help for an intervention that they are saying they will not do?
What this posture says
>>509514
I thought all the capitalists classes are equally even, all wanting the same, not possible all other ways around, etc, etc. what changed now, pseud?

>>509516
>Anti-Revisionists (I am a Maoist and Leninhat is a Hoxhaist) are not a joke, Revisionists like yourself are the joke

I live in a fucking U.S. fully sanctioned country, you dimwit, I could leave my country years ago, live another easier life. Fuck you and fuck you your whole ascendency, and I hope the ghosts of the people affected by the U.S. imperialism touch your anus tonight.
>This is because all you guys do is take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts by shilling for the Capitalist
Then fucking start you revolution, don't lecture me about shit you think you know, fucking go do something about. NO? then STFU.

 No.509522

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>>509516
>>509515
You both loudly, and repeatedly declare allegiance to ideas and end goals, then immediately condemn anyone for contemplating the actual, material steps necessary to achieve them, then reiterate loyalty to a mythical "silver bullet" solution (AKA Just Dew IT).

This is symptomatic of idealism. Both of you, clearly being reactionaries in the past, still suffer from it - thinking that holding the correct opinion will manifest itself into reality immediately. in reality, what you believe and what you hope for are completely irrelevant.

For this, you will both be harassed, ridiculed, and banned. You are a joke, just like every idealist is.

 No.509523

>>509522
While I don't share the aggressive undertones of this post I gotta say it has a point.
There's no need of restating ones own leanings every time.
Also Maoists (especially the Gonzalo kind) have a huge problem of idealism.

 No.509524

>>509520
now instead of 2 poles, it's 3! the more poles the better!

 No.509525

Armchairism or Nuclear Putlerism? Which way, Western man?

 No.509526

>imperial core workers striking in a gig economy
Absolutely virgin
>threatening NATO with hypersonic nukes
Absolutely chad

 No.509527

>>509526
The synthesis is socialism with hypersonic aka Juche

 No.509528

>>509522
if their beliefs don't matter then them having revisionist beliefs doesn't matter.

 No.509529

>>509518
leninhat and lear are the same person.

 No.509530

>Ctrl+f putler
>40 matches
Well done, everyone 👏

 No.509531

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>>509525
Literally Putler.

 No.509532

>>509530
I'm more of a Vlad Tse-Tutin type to be honest

 No.509533

>>509532
I see you are a Holodomor 2.0 man of culture

 No.509534

NEW THREAD >>757660
NEW THREAD >>757660
NEW THREAD >>757660

 No.509535

>>509484
With the war in Afghanistan over, ya gotta justify that inflated imperial war budget somehow

 No.509536

>>509513
China's point of view is unchanged and it will continue to strongly affirm the supremacy of state sovereignty in foreign affairs. This is the a key basis of its Taiwan claim as a legitimate part of "One China", but moreover is one of the foundational ideas of Chinese policy arising from its formation as a modern state, which happened while the country was being invaded and carved apart by the Japanese empire and in the wake of with the forceable dismemberment of Chinese territory and the imposition of sovereignty denying extraterritorial regimes.

That said, China will almost certainly recognize Russia's concerns of NATO expansion and encirclement as legitimate.

 No.509537

>>509536
>>509520
>I guess the Dengists are backstabbing the Duginists/Eurasianists/Vlasovites after all, LMFAO. I wonder how the Revisionist "Multipolar" Schizos will cope with this, LOL.

This needs to be said because it is not a "Dengist" point of view. China will not yield or bend on "territorial integrity".

 No.509538

>>509526
Imagine if those striking workers cooperated with Russia and other anti-NATO states?
You see why there is a hatred towards “Tankies” now, don’t you?

 No.509539

>>509516
Peru is bad though, Gonzallo is just South American Pol Pot :xD

 No.509540

>>509290
boomers just can't let go

 No.509541

>>509391
>leninhat is a brit
finally your neverending retardation is given an explanation

 No.509542

>>509416
if they admit it at all, it will only happen years from now, after the damage has been done, and the public will once again go 'how do we let ourselves get swayed so easily?' before pivoting to frothing at the mouth over China having the gall to exist

 No.509543

>>509477
>Wrong, Baerbock said the NS-II is dead if Russia invades
an uppity bitch being hysterical in press briefings is not what dictates official german policy


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