No.508909[Last 50 Posts]
Let's mantain the civil discussion we were having in the last thread.
Last thread got full.
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>Russian foreign Ministry comments on response: it is inappropriate to demand to withdraw troops from certain regions of Russia. Russia demands Ukraine implements Minsk agreements, the West should stop weapons delivery to Ukraine, withdraw what was delivered already, recall all instructors and advisors from Ukraine, prohibition of NATO joint exercises with Ukraine. Russia demands all U.S. troops and weapons withdrawal from Central and Eastern Europe, Baltic countries. Russia expects proposals on non-expansion of NATO. Russia highlights that questions on arms control cannot be considered separately from other pointsSo, these are the points for descalation:
1:Ukraine implements Minsk agreement.
2:The weapons deliveries towards Ukraine from NATO need to stop.
3:Withdraw what was already delivered to Ukraine.
4:Withdraw all NATO instructos and advisors from Ukraine.
5:Prohibit the cooperation of Ukraine in NATO joint exercises.
6:The total withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from Central and Eastern Europe (This is, Poland, The Baltic States, Slovakia, Romania, and probably even Germany and the Czech Republic
Do you think the US NATO will accept these 6 points?
I'm gonna post my opinion about the russian matter in here as well, it's my post, you can't do nothing about it:
Russia has tried to join NATO, twice.
No real reason for NATO to actually not accept, you would literally have world domination, aside from China.
This is because of a very simple reason, NATO wants to balkanize Russia. The very existence of Russia is a menace to NATO, and I don't mean this because they're "scared" of russian people, but how much territory they occupy.
Russia is the major country that will get a benefit from climate change, it's a country with a lot of natural resources because it literally owns about 1/8 of the planet or so.
It's the literal counterpart of the US, and the US wants it destroyes so it can truly be the world dominator without having no one to actually stand to them. Also Russia has lotsa nukes.
Not saying tho that Russia is an anti-imperialist nation, it is a capitalist nation and capitalism itself enables imperialism, it's a feature, not a dlc. But the thing is that NATO is searching for Russia is to be completely destroyed and balkanized in 5 states or more.
Also the Rimland theory is more important (at least that'd what NATO officials believe) than what you think.
So in thic conflict I support Russia for these reasons.
>Russia is actively defending itself against an outside invader that wants to mutilate it out of paranoia.>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.>Ukraine is also a shithole that would be better under russian control… Probably (not that hard of a test tbh, being better than a comprador regime for NATO isn't that hard).>More power to Russia means less power to the US, which will make it more aggressive. Supporting Russia is literally accelerationism to ww3, but accelerationism nonetheless, and no, I don't want ww3, I don't like to happen, but one thing is to not like war and the other is to delude oneself into believing that it will not happen, it will happen because it's the natural course of capitalism. This is more asking for a swift death than a prolonged, painful suffering under late stage capitalism.>Seriously, fuck the Ukrainian goverment.>In fact, fuck ALL nato states, including mine.Despite this, I recognize that:
>Russia is a capitalist country. Thus means that it is imperialist because imperialism is the capitalist drive for profit natural course of action, read imperialism, the last stage of capitalism. Every capitalist country will become either imperialist, or imperialized, and Russia clearly isn't being imperialized as, say, Togo is.>Russia is ruled by a capitalist class, the same class that killed the Soviet Union and thus killed AES.>The russian state is actively smearing the soviet union, by example making the gulag archipelago a required reading in schools, meanwhile putting into a shrine a fake version of Stalin, deluding themselves into thinking he was a fascistic strong dictator instead of the antithesis of fascism which is why russian rightwingers love to say that they liked Stalin but hate Lenin, despite the former being literally a disciple and rightful succesor to Lenin's theories and politics.Btw this also applies to China.
No.508912
>Ukraine isn't worth a damn supporting, they have incorporated in their army neo-nazi paramilitaries.
you should add Russia to the copypasta too, wagner group, neonazis with SS rune tattoos literally next to putin, etc
No.508913
Hasn't Russia and Ukraine been at war for 8 years?
No.508915
>>508912>wagner groupThe Wagner Group aren't fascists.
>neonazis with SS rune tattoos literally next to putinHow old are they, and what was the context in what they were taken? You realize neo-nazi insignia is widely despised in Russia, much more than in Ukraine?
No.508917
>>508914Holy hell, shots fired.
No.508920
>>508918I looked up this claim and it's alleged that he founded them - sources are the Jamestown Foundation, the German foreign ministry and BBC. Yeah, I am taking this with a grain of salt. The whole thing is very tied to the GRU so I don't consider all information to be public.
No.508923
>>508918Tbh the FSB did charge many wagner group russians for being mercenaries but yes the founders are likely ethnonationalists
No.508924
>>508922I thought that was the confederate flag💀
No.508925
>>508915and this is him with putin.
>You realize neo-nazi insignia is widely despised in Russia, much more than in Ukraine?most of Azov is Russian speaking and from Eastern Ukraine, which = Russian according to a lot of posters here, but I've never seen anyone call that out
the guys behind "Occupy Pedophilia" (neonazi group that filmed themselves baiting gay people and humiliating them) always got off with lax sentences. Needless to say rabid nationalism is not uncommon in Russia, pic related is state owned TV in 2018
>>508920Yeah that's understandable.
No.508927
>>508925We should be carefull while the Putinist state is a corrupt oligarchuc regime(who ofcourses uses nazis as attack dogs) there is a major difference between the hitlerists of ukraine who whpuld genocide the place
No.508929
>>508925>the guys behind "Occupy Pedophilia" (neonazi group that filmed themselves baiting gay people and humiliating them) always got off with lax sentences. Needless to say rabid nationalism is not uncommon in Russia, pic related is state owned TV in 2018 <Implying the same shit doesn't happen in Ukraine as well.Why should I support Ukraine instead of Russia?
<Support no sides.Supporting no sides means supporting the stronger one by default, which in this case is Ukraine because it's a literal vassal state of the US.
I hate Russia, but I hate the US more than Russia, thus I will support Russia, as easy as.
No.508930
>>508925>Putin wants to return the eastern borderlands to polanddamn based, banderites destroyed lol
No.508935
>>508933"Antisemitism" or better, anything critical of Israel. That is not antithetical to fascism, Israel even supplied arms to Ukrainian nazis:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727 No.508936
Yawn.
No.508938
>>508933>"yes! the Parliament declared antisemitism illegal! we have solved antisemitism!"I hope this is some sort of joke
No.508939
Wagner are pure cannon fodder who cares what they believe. Just put them in the meatgrinder when convenient.
No.508944
>>508942it's from hoholmaps, they think everything is propaganda
No.508945
>>508927>We should be carefull while the Putinist state is a corrupt oligarchuc regime(who ofcourses uses nazis as attack dogs) there is a major difference between the hitlerists of ukraine who whpuld genocide the place The leader of Wagner is a Nazi point blank and does regularly go send his men to kill people.
They are mercenaries
No.508946
>>508938isnt the leader of the parliament a literal Hitler funboy?
Like a non atisemitic nazi is still a nazi
No.508947
>>508940No one said Wagner is antifa.
Stop talking to ghosts.
kill yourself.
No.508949
>>508945I'm shitting and farting right now 6000 people is like half of Russia's military
No.508951
>>508935>fascism is when you're racist and heil hitler>literally says oppositeum, then what are they?
No.508952
>>508940The difference is that this is just a shady group, that operates clandestine, made up of ex-GRU and has ties to oligarchs.
Ukraine has officially integrated the Azov batallion into the military, they stage big training camps for the youth. There is creeping fascism in Ukrainian society, especially with the actions of tearing down Lenin statues, outlawing the Communist Party, purging unions, and more and more revising of the OUN. The ambassador of Ukraine to Germany laid down flowers at the grave of Stephan Bandera for fucks sake.
No.508953
>>756243>>508940>>508928Guess what fagoid
If Russia had a revolution today and Putin and every billionaire oligarch were strung up in red square, if every wagner merc was dumped down a mineshaft, if they sent the Cheka into Donbass to cleanse every right-winger and reactionary militia from the region,
They would still have to defend themselves against NATO encroachment via their proxy Ukraine No.508954
>>508951If you don't think Zionism and fascism can mutually coexist you are a retard. And no, I am not saying all antisemitism is just anti-Zionism. But whenever governments "condemn antisemitism" they are referring to Israel's fee-fees, because they are referring to stuff like the Anti-Defamation League and their "working definition of antisemitism".
No.508956
I can really see how history can be manipulated on narratives on who started the war. This will be like the Korean war Ukrainian (South Korea in this metaphor) starts it and the DPRK (Russia) as the starter.
No.508957
Wagner was a hack.
Doesn't make Ukraine a real country.
No.508958
>>508953Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, and if it becomes one, only because Russia attacked them in 2014 and still tries to start up shit today.
>>508952>especially with the actions of tearing down Lenin statuesin their perspective those are statues of a foreign conqueror who ended their brief independence
>outlawing the Communist Party, purging unionsYeah, fair enough.
No.508959
And no, Wagner isn't antifa, but the militas in Donbass are a wild mix, including communists, trade unionists, Soviet nostalgists etc. Whereas I doubt that you find anything like that fighting for the Ukrainian government.
When I go to Ukraine and they find out my organizational affiliation, I would be arrested. If I would go to Donbass, no problem, I can even fly a hammer and sickle flag there. That is what matters so no, I don't give a shit about Wagner.
No.508961
>>508960Refute it. You can't.
No.508962
>if you question Wagner and research them you are a glowie
No.508963
>>508958>USSR was a foreign conqueror. What did you stumble here from reddit or something? The Bolsheviks had more support there than in Moscow at the start of the revolution you retard shitbrain
No.508964
You know things are heating up from the increasing number of openly glowing posts ITT.
We are not yet at the level of glow of last year's Israel vs Palestine events but we are getting closer.
No.508965
>>508958I like how history for you basically starts with 2014 and you completely forget about the Maidan coup, and the entire encirclement of Russia by NATO since 20 years. Answer me this, if a Russian-Iranian coalition would just coup the government in Mexico, do you think the US would do nothing?
The whole thing was also conducted incredibly stupid. They already reached an agreement with Yanukovich for a peaceful referendum and his resignation (Putin said he told Yanukovich to resign, trying to deescalate), then some "unknown" snipers started murdering cops and protestors alike, the BBC itself later reported that their identity is unknown and reporting back then was fake news. They then stormed the parliament, and then said some incredible stupid shit, like wanting to outlaw Russian as an official language, let nazis roam with impunity, they were setting a hosptial and a trade union center in Odessa on fire. And then suddenly Crimea - which never really agreed to be part of Ukraine anyway, it was given to Ukraine as a gift by Krushchev and in 1991 they suddenly found themselves in a different country that impoverishes even quicker than Russia - wants to secede? Well golly gee, who could have seen that coming!
No.508967
>>508942So the problem is that everyone can listen to different sources, if only to sate their confirmation bias or to be hipsters about where they get their opinions. So hiding information from your platform unless backed by a mainstream media niche blackout, only raises the value of the information.
Like the Streisand effect but with more sectarianism now that everyone has accepted the new truth of fake news, fact checkers and "foreign disinformation". Everyone wants to sort neatly in their safe spaces and be provided a *full* pre-digested worldview because that's what the "engagement" driven social media business condition people to do, if you are missing facets it breaks the illusion.
So now we put trigger warnings and jannie post-its under naughty posts and employ cubicle farms of nerds to write contrived, pedantic rebuttals of the information to discredit.
No.508969
>>508961That Lenin was a foreign invader? That is completely retarded, Ukraine was invaded by Poland in the aftermath of the October Revolution.
No.508971
>>508958>their perspective those are statues of a foreign conqueror who ended their brief independencelol no it's cos Lenin was a communist and naturally the bourgeoisie despise him for his role in making proletarian revolution a reality.
It's the same reason Vlasovites like Putin slander Lenin and praise Denikin, Ilyin and Solzhenitsyn, while the Russian government erects plaques to fascist butchers like Mannerheim.
No.508972
>>508961Yes I can actually. The ue/nato talk is precisely what triggered crimea and this whole shitshow in the first place (for the detriment of world peace, raising gas prices and plummeting quality of life for ukrainians civilians) you moron, not knowing this basic shit mark you as either a glowie, or someone who repeat their talking points
No.508973
>In the LPR, an explosive device was found under the bridge on the highway, along which people are evacuated to Russia
No.508974
>>508967Lets not forget that ukraine had succesion referendums(that won the popular vote) since day one the ussr fell
No.508975
>>508958>Ukraine isn't a member of NATO, and if it becomes one, only because Russia attacked them in 2014 and still tries to start up shit today.Let's dispense with the western shitlib narrative, we both know that America has thrown Ukraine to the dogs. If evil rusha really wants to launch an all-out invasion of the Ukraine as Biden says, all NATO will do is make a bunch of Germans freeze in their apartments.
If I was still a Ukraine-supporting lib, I would see that NATO only has interests in making Ukraine a proxy against Russia and tossing weapons at their corrupt government. When push came to shove, NATO and America abandoned Ukraine, and Ukrainians will remember that, just as the Afghans learned.
And just as in Afghanistan, half-assed weapons support and "advisors" won't do shit when you've created a dependency in a nation's government on foreign aid - and as we learned in Afghanistan, when the local government and military expect free money falling out of the sky, all your army will be is a bunch of corrupt commanders skimming off the top, and a bunch of untrained zero-morale retard conscripts that desert at the first sign of trouble.
So even if I agree with your narrative of "imperialist russha evil" then NATO is just as evil for treating Ukraine as a disposable chess piece, and when their army inevitably folds within hours, NATO high command will throw up their hands and wonder what happened, then move on to the next proxy war.
No.508976
>>508968>Obsessively focusing on Wagner on the precise moment in which Nato is stepping up direct aggression against Russia <Not glowingI bet you believe in the Uyghur stuff too…
No.508977
>>508961You think you are running rings around people, but they are just laughing at you because you're a faggot.
No.508978
>>508968>Ukraine has Nazi Batallions, who have declared ethnic Russians as jewish-led untermenschen, deployed in the Donbass>Ukraine has Stephan FUCKING Bandera as a National Hero, known for genociding minorities in the country, and recently made it illegal to "question his heroism">NATO is literally arming it and the Ukraine has officialy integrated it into its armed forces and funds its social projects<But what about the PUTLER WAGNER ULTRANAZIS???!?!Yeah, this makes you seem a bit like a glowie
No.508979
>>508971>people who also shill for Ukraine and equating both sides also call Lenin a foreign invader>Leninhat still has no realization Sad!
No.508981
>>508979Yeah Russian nationalists do indeed call Lenin a German agent. The oldest of all anticommunist lies along with Judeobolshevism
No.508985
>>508965Yeltsin consented to the enlargement of NATO. Europe's army is ridiculously small and carried by France. USA doesn't even have that much in Europe. Rabid Russia-hate from Ukrainians is understandable and not (((glow))) if you can read a history book. Of course, internationalism and all that, but fact of the matter is Russia keeps fucking Ukraine up, you can't ask them to support them and be surprised when they bring out the Freikorps.
Let's do a thought exercise, what would happen if muh NATO wasn't on Russia's backyard? Oh yeah, Ukraine, the Baltics, and numerous other countries would cease to exist overnight, as Russia has proven by its absolute uyghur behavior around literally every country bordering it. Hoho, and no, it wouldn't be the good ol' SSR, they would be throughly Russified, workers would serve to make Putin a new palace, etc. Russia isn't the victim in this one, never was.
>>508975>If I was still a Ukraine-supporting lib, I would see that NATO only has interests in making Ukraine a proxy against Russia and tossing weapons at their corrupt government. When push came to shove, NATO and America abandoned Ukraine, and Ukrainians will remember that, just as the Afghans learned.I'm not a lib, I support Ukraine, and I know this is the case. My word doesn't matter though, only the actions of those at the top. I just rest at ease knowing my words are informed and not ideologue tier.
No.508986
>>508984>Based if trueAre you implying this is false information?
Why?
No.508987
>>508983We engage in a mild amount of tomfoolery
No.508989
>>508988Ok explain how Russia winning helps the global south
No.508990
>>508981What? It's a historical fact that Lenin was a German op
No.508991
>>508985>Yeltsin consented to the enlargement of NATO. Europe's army is bla bla bla<Using ((())) unironically<Gets filtered by saying uyghurS.They've traslated a 4chan fed to here guys.
CIA ain't sending it's best.
No.508992
>>508985Yeltsin was a Quisling, so of course he'd starve his own people.
You'll learn this when the pendulum swings against the western alliance and your "leaders" sell you out - actually, scratch that, just look around you. Your bourgeois owners are willing to let your family and millions like it die to the plague so they can keep enlarging their yacht funds. German "social democrats" (Rosa killers) are willing to let millions of their own people freeze to own the Russians.
No.508994
>>508990lol alright Kerensky.
I see Russian nationalists still love that line.
No.508995
>>508986Because nothing in Ukraine is real, it's all a false flag. Ever met a Ukrainian? Thought not.
No.508996
>>508991I didn't type the N word tho
>Yeltsin consented to the enlargement of NATO. Europe's army is bla bla blaThis is true.
No.508997
>>508996Pls answer this (you didn't in the last thread)
Do you think that Ukraine is a sovereign country with it's own political agenda, different to that of the US?
No.508998
>>508985>Rabid Russia-hate from Ukrainians is understandable and not (((glow))) if you can read a history book.They were considered fraternal peoples until 2014. Ukrainians didn't hate the Russians before this whole shit started.
>Of course, internationalism and all that, but fact of the matter is Russia keeps fucking Ukraine up, you can't ask them to support them and be surprised when they bring out the Freikorps.Ukraine is far more fucked by neoliberalism and massive US lobbying, the entire post-Maidan government was lobbied for by US finance capital like their prime minister, ex-Goldman Sachs. Europe and the US
could help Ukraine economically, enact some sort of Marshall Plan 2.0 for Ukraine, but they don't. Plus, has Russia even enacted sanctions against Ukraine? All they did was scrapping the subsidies for the gas deliveries.
>Let's do a thought exercise, what would happen if muh NATO wasn't on Russia's backyard? Oh yeah, Ukraine, the Baltics, and numerous other countries would cease to exist overnight, as Russia has proven by its absolute uyghur behavior around literally every country bordering it. Hoho, and no, it wouldn't be the good ol' SSR, they would be throughly Russified, workers would serve to make Putin a new palace, etc. Russia isn't the victim in this one, never was.If you are trolling, it's quality.
No.509000
>>508985>Let's do a thought exercise, what would happen if muh NATO wasn't on Russia's backyard? Oh yeah, Ukraine, the Baltics, and numerous other countries would cease to exist overnight, as Russia has proven by its absolute uyghur behavior around literally every country bordering it.No they wouldn't
>Rabid Russia-hate from Ukrainians is understandable and not (((glow))) if you can read a history book. Of course, internationalism and all that, but fact of the matter is Russia keeps fucking Ukraine up, you can't ask them to support them and be surprised when they bring out the Freikorps.>"Nazis were justified!!!! The Allies made them do it with the Versailles treaty!!! They were just defending themselves from soviet encroachment!!!"
>Hoho, and no, it wouldn't be the good ol' SSR, they would be throughly Russified, workers would serve to make Putin a new palace, etc. Russia isn't the victim in this one, never was.>"The enemy is an insane, Hitler-level Dictator who will literally enslave us all!!!"nice consent manufacturing you have there.
> my words are informed and not ideologue tierliterally everything you said suggests the complete opposite.
No.509001
>>508989In the case of Africa, Russian presence there is far more preferable to French influence who still fucks with them, extracting like billions of dollars every year through their currency system.
No.509002
>>508985>Yeltsin consented to the enlargement of NATO. Yeah, and then NATO broke the 1997 promises, like they always do
>Rabid Russia-hate from Ukrainians is understandable and not (((glow)))Ukranians voted overwhelmingly to maintain the USSR. The only ones that hate Russia are the new generation that, betrayed by the last generation of liberalized Soviet bureucrats, were forced into economic exile and there they picked the crops, cleaned the toilets, and drove the lorries of well functioning countries, who do you think they are going to want to be like? They havent comprehended that theyll be as colonzied with NATO - EVERY single ex-Warsaw state has yet to reach the same living standards pre 1991 except Latvia or something, which had the highest living standard of the entire USSR - as with Russia. This is a generational divide, and a hatred exploited by western colonizers that drove them into depending on fascist militias for their protection. Bandera the butcher was reclaimed and has been erected over Lenin, the blackest of reactions.
Shut the fuck up you reddit retard. Yeah, the only real answer here is proletarian internationalism. But if youre asking us to choose between NATO and the RF, RF is the clear lesser evil in this situation. A defeat for NATO means a victory for the rest of the world. Go drink diharrea
No.509003
>>508994Alright smartass tell me how Lenin got from Switzerland to Russia
holy FUCK
No.509005
>>509003Travelled on a train. Switzerland was a neutral country. So there was no reason he shouldn't have been allowed.
No.509006
>>508914Germanoids will froth at their mouths ovee this
No.509007
>>509005Travelled on a GERMAN CHARTERED TRAIN
>>509004Learn what an op means
No.509008
>>508914>>509006It's hilarious how this nation of NATO cuckolds will burst a blood vessel if anyone in the world criticises Israel but are still up to their old Nazi tricks with Russia.
No.509009
>>509007Lenin getting to Russia was an op.
But Lenin himself was not an op, read again what you wrote yourself.
No.509011
>>508914Chad Russian foreign minister
No.509014
>>509012This is literally what we do here in these threads
No.509016
>>509008Last year was the first year the German government
DIDN'T thank the Red Army for the liberation of Auschwitz. The statement was about "the allies" and then they added something about Israel.
No.509017
>>508989>Ok explain how Russia winning helps the global southLmao, the fact you even have to ask this question.
Do you even know why the global south is considered the "globals south"? Something to do with imperialism and the West being hegemonic
No.509019
>>508912Much of them moved to Ukraine, lmao. STFU.
No.509020
>>509014Was about to comment this lol
No.509022
>>508931ANGLO MOMENT fuck outta here you lobsterback
>>509020same
No.509023
>>509016Hilarious how relevant this information is to my post and I was totally unaware of it. It's so on form for them.
No.509024
>>509009If you act as a useful idiot for glowies you are an op. Intent is irrelevant. Or are you going to tell me the Tianmen student protests weren't an op? Educate yourself fool
No.509025
>>508999Yes.
>>509000>No they wouldn'tYes they would, they have muh Russian minorities as well :)
>"Nazis were justified!!!! The Allies made them do it with the Versailles treaty!!! They were just defending themselves from soviet encroachment!!!"Seems like you're describing Russia more than Ukraine. Ukraine isn't starting shit with anyone, its Russia cucking them out of their own foreign policy then invading them once they stopped sucking them off to the ballsack.
>nice consent manufacturing you have there.<noooo novorossiya isnt real even though putin literally said on TV all of southern ukraine belongs to russiaaaa>"The enemy is an insane, Hitler-level Dictator who will literally enslave us all!!!"Well yeah, its not like he's a capitalist + nationalist.
>>509002>Ukranians voted overwhelmingly to maintain the USSR>Ukranians voted overwhelmingly to maintain the USSR>Ukranians voted overwhelmingly to maintain the USSRJesus marx anon!
Lies, >90% voted for independence.
>>509017So? It'll just be Russia and China exploiting the Global South workers/markets; both are extremely nationalist entities who are friends of capital and don't export communist ideology abroad.
No.509027
>>508971See how few you know about Russians, despite Lenin being Russian. You don't know that in the Slavic culture, Stalin is loved, even among some weird Slavic states. That's because he won the war.
Lenin, on the other hand, is not loved so much because he left a legacy on administrative territories that weren't too good to cope with ethnic tensions.
Westernoids do not know this, they love Lenin and despise Stalin, but in the end Slavics, including Russians, Georgians, Belorrusians, Armenians, Azerbajaians, etc respect, and even praise Stalin over Lenin.
You will never be Lenin's true learner.
No.509028
>Yeltsin consented to the enlargement of NATO
lol no, he was given explicit promise it would NOT enlarge east
>USA doesn't even have that much in Europe
except the nuke capable missile launch sites you mean ?
>Russia-hate from Ukrainians is understandable
lol what ? why ?
> (((glow)))
<hello fellow leftist im not a fed
>read a history book
I invite you to do so
>Russia keeps fucking Ukraine up
ukraine fuck itself fine with the help of US
>be surprised when they bring out the Freikorps
<oh being full nazi denying a minority basic rights and threatening genocide is totally legitimate if you have a border conflict !
>Oh yeah, Ukraine, the Baltics, and numerous other countries would cease to exist overnight
delusional burger talk
>by its absolute uyghur behavior
thats the US fucking with them mostly, good job revealing you're a polyp or a fed
>they would be throughly Russified
>workers would serve to make Putin a new palace
what the fuck. your propaganda is getting insane
>Russia isn't the victim in this one
they're not a "victim", but they're clearly the aggressed party defending itself on geopolitical scene
>I'm not a lib
yes you are, and good chance you're an actual fed. If not, you have internalized the propaganda so much it makes no difference
>I support Ukraine
why ?
>my words are informed
lmfao
No.509029
<Thread completely derailed by a retard
WTF are jannies even doing?
No.509032
>>509029Well I mean this is kind of a containment thread at this point
No.509033
>>509027The separation of Stalin from Lenin is something Russian nationalists try to do, buying into the Trotskyite myth of the "revolution betrayed".
In reality, Stalin was Lenin's best pupil and a Bolshevik from head to toe who strengthened the system Lenin built. The Leninist policy of internationalism is what gave the USSR its strength and victories, bourgeois nationalism is the antithesis of that and every nationalist hates Lenin.
For communists, Lenin and Stalin stand together, and it's really irrelevant what shit-for-brains bourgeois nationalists think.
No.509034
>>509025>Well yeah, its not like he's a capitalist + nationalist.So is Joe Biden. Anti-Nationalism isn't when you are nice to LGBT people and vice versa.
>So? It'll just be Russia and China exploiting the Global South workers/marketsWhat timescale are we talking about here? 50 years? 100? Right now, in the present, would a multipolar world order be a
huge benefit to the global south and would offer independent development. If that is so bad, why are so many Africans in favor of this?
Since you think Lenin is a "foreign agent", you probably don't care about his analysis of imperialism, but Russia right now doesn't export capital in a considerable manner. It exports commodities, oil, gas and weapons. They don't export huge Russian firms to Africa. Russia's financial sector is also negligable.
No.509035
>>509033Leninhat with the based post.
Supporting this word for word.
No.509036
>>509030That pic is just terrible on so many levels
No.509037
>>509028Besides the chance that the guy is a glowie or a /pol/yp in disguse (that n-word dropped randomly seemed weird as fuck considering him constantly adopting lib positions), it's also possible that he is from Agent Kochinski's community, they do actually post here as evidence by some of the chats he has been getting since he namedropped us twice.
No.509038
>>509025>Russia and China are just like America and Europe because they are all capitalistextreme simplification of the matter
No.509039
>>509025what a dishonest sack of shit you are you nato shill
>they have muh Russian minorities so you have no idea what the war there is about do you ? pure moron
>Ukraine isn't starting shit with anyoneI mean even reading only western media you should have noticed this isnt true
>cucking them out of their own foreign policy lol yeah minor countries without army can totally alienate their big regional power neighbors and serve as military base for their enemies without risk, its purely their rights! (oh, and destroying their own economy in the process, cause they had close ties to russia obviously and also got free money from pipelines…)
>Lies, >90% voted for independence.you're the lying sack of shit here
>It'll just be Russia and China exploiting the Global South workers/marketsdo you have any idea idea how neo colonialism works ? pro tip, having various powers offering capital is the easiest way to develop and get out of those relations
fuck off the board you glow so hard it hurts
No.509040
All of the shelling and attacks going on right now reek of false-flags and just shadiness in general. I know warfare tends to be asymmetrical these days and you don't really see millions of troops marching in anymore, but I dunno, it just doesn't feel right.
No.509041
>>509031There is no mention of that train in the video
No.509042
>>509040Fog of war, no one really knows what's true
Over the next couple days, obsessing over uamaps would make someone insane
No.509043
>>509037there is literally nothing strange about liberals using uyghur
the only people on earth who take issue with it are PC Americans and their Anglo brethren
t. yuropoor
No.509044
>>509043>only the english speaking world take issue with an english wordRetard moment
No.509045
>>509044>everyone who uses English is American/Anglosit the fuck down
No.509046
>>509039>so you have no idea what the war there is about do you ? pure moronThat is part of the official Russian state media narrative.
>lol yeah minor countries without army can totally alienate their big regional power neighbors and serve as military base for their enemies without risk, its purely their rights! (oh, and destroying their own economy in the process, cause they had close ties to russia obviously and also got free money from pipelines…)Ukraine gave up >1,000 nukes to Russia for a peace guarantee.
>you're the lying sack of shit herehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Ukrainian_independence_referenduminb4 wikipedia CIA source
>do you have any idea idea how neo colonialism works ? pro tip, having various powers offering capital is the easiest way to develop and get out of those relationsYes but they're not going to get much capital from Russia/China especially the latter because they all seek autarkic measures. in the end the same thing happened during the Cold War and african countries just turned into either agents of washington and moscow and just let their own people to rot
>fuck off the board you glow so hard it hurtsthank you I wish I was a CIA agent but sadly foreigners are not eligible.
>>509043true. I also didn't say N, I self censored myself for double irony.
No.509047
Russia's 'invasion' will be to the autonomous regions to protect them
No.509048
>>508960Lenin literally founded Ukraine as a nation entity, argued for its independence and gave it fucktonnes of land that wasn't even claimed by Ukraine.
Ukrainians tearing down Lenin statues are actual reactionary retards.
No.509049
>>509012That's basically what these Ukraine threads are. Agent Kochinskiites making Ukraine threads confirmed.
No.509050
>>509046>thank you I wish I was a CIA agent but sadly foreigners are not eligible.Go to your local US embassy, you can still be a quisling.
What country, fag?
No.509051
>>509048Ukraine was literally an independent country with borders very similar to today and then Lenin invaded it
No.509052
>>509051The only people that claimed indpendence from the Tsar were the Banderistas that committed ethnic cleansing throughout the Urkaine. Nice little omission there burger
No.509053
>>509052>burger<the UkraineBandera WAS LITERALLY 8 YEARS OLD IN 1917 WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT
No.509054
>>509046>Ukraine gave up >1,000 nukes to Russia for a peace guarantee.As if Europe/the US would have let Ukraine keep them
>92.3% voted to leaveSuspiciously high number
No.509055
>>509033Retard take. Stalin is loved in Russia, despite he is Georgian. The reason came even before the USSR's dissolution. Despite Lenin having statues all over the USSR, his personification was sanctified (Krushit never questioned Lenin, for example), the victory on the war was given to Stalin, and that was enough to give the appreaciation he has over Lenin.
In any case, your mannerheim plaque was already removed:
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/controversial-mannerheim-memorial-unveiled-june-already-scheduled-removal.htmlYou can't say the same for the U.K.
https://forward.com/news/481609/nazi-collaborator-monuments-in-the-united-kingdom/ No.509057
>>509043I wonder what your black countrymen would have to say about this…
No.509059
>>509056Why do we get the cringe Portuguese? You go to some lib shithole like r/europe and the Portuguese are making everyone seethe, but when you come here you act like a fag.
No.509060
>>509056See?
This is why Portugal shouldn't exist and should be annexed by Spain.
No.509061
>>509041Accusations of Lenin being a German agent are bourgeois propaganda.
No.509062
>>509058We've been between GLOWCON 4 and 2 for most of this affair.
No.509063
>>509061The only thing I can agree with this 'tard.
No.509064
>>509053Lmao shit, youre right. I mixed up two generations of fascist nationalists. Either ways, the only ones declaring independence from the Tsar were right wing nationalist bourgeois. At the time, Ukraine was one of its most industrialized regions, and the Bolsheviks had ample support. During the invasion of a dozen imperial armies to the USSR Ukraine was lost twice, once to the whites and the other to the blacks. Clearly Ukraine was split between bougeois nationalist and opposing leftist sections that managed to gain some prominence while France, USA, England, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Japan, Italy, Finland, etc, all piled on to Moscow.
No.509066
>>509058def con 2/3 both sides are evil + saying that Lenin was a German agent.
No.509067
>>509045Sit on my dick faggot, you learning a second language doesn't give you dictatorial powers over it.
No.509068
>💬 Ukraine "will not kneel" for the help of its partners, because it believes that it is a Western contribution to Europe's security, Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky declared this Saturday on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference, in Germany.
>💬Zelensky stressed that "Ukraine wants peace". "The world says it doesn't want a war and Russia says it doesn't want to attack. Someone is lying," Trump said, adding that the global security architecture is fragile and will require reform. He also stressed that the reintegration of Donbas and Crimea into Ukraine is possible only by peaceful means.
>💬Likewise, the Ukrainian president stated that "to really help Ukraine, it is not necessary to continue talking about the dates of an alleged invasion" and pointed out that the Ukrainians will protect their homeland any day. "Other dates are more important to us," he said, referring to Ukraine's accession to NATO and the EU.
Aw lawl
No.509069
NEW CIA PREDICTION OF INVASION JUST DROPPEDThis one is from Fred Kagan, brother of the spouse of Vicky Nuland. Supposed to happen today and it will be BIG, etc. etc.
>Russia may launch an attack on Ukraine on Saturday, February 19, 2022. The attack would likely begin with an air and missile campaign targeting much of Ukraine to decapitate the government and degrade the Ukrainian military as well as the ability of Ukrainian citizens to prepare to resist a subsequent Russian invasion. https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russia-ukraine-warning-update-new-indicators-imminent-russian-attack No.509070
>>509064Did you mean Symon Petliura?
No.509072
>>509071Naw they are joining Wagner with their Nazi commander
No.509073
>>509071Agent Kochinski probably told them to do it lmao
No.509076
>>509055Stalin and Lenin have about the same levels of popularity in Russia. It's only because the current regime tries to claim the glory of the Soviet (not Russian) victory in 1945 that Stalin is more popular.
For communists, they stand together.
No.509077
>>509061It's true that Lenin was allowed to return because the German government knew that he would neutralize Russia, which he did, but that doesn't mean he ever served them or shared their goals.
Same way Tito was sent by Stalin and the comintern to take control of the Yugoslav party, then cucked them.
No.509078
>>509068>to really help Ukraine, it is not necessary to continue talking about the dates of an alleged invasionZelensky seething at the economy going down the toilet lmao
>"Other dates are more important to us," he said, referring to Ukraine's accession to NATO and the EU.Hilarious if the press has just completely put these words in his mouth, further shitting up the situation for him.
No.509079
>>509069Russell was right about them needing to come in on wings if they're going to reinforce Donbass, so that will probably be taken as "proof" of these claims.
>1. Ukrainian President Volodymir Zelensky will be in Germany at the Munich Security Conference. He is scheduled to speak at 1530 Munich time.[2] >His absence from Ukraine will degrade his ability to coordinate a response to any Russian attack and create more propitious circumstances for a Russian-sponsored attempt at a coup d’etat. >Russian forces could close Ukrainian airspace to prevent Zelensky from returning to Kyiv.Kek, they really think he's not just a figurehead. God help Ukraine if that guy is actually in charge of anything.
No.509082
>>509075Can't mix up your fascists like that!!!
No.509083
>>509065That's a literal who. That isn't an official news source. If the MSM isn't taking advantage of this then this ain't real.
No.509084
>>509077The German government didn't "know" anything, at the time the Bolsheviks were outnumbered by the SRs. But events changed that.
No.509085
Helga LaRouche currently has the chairwoman of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine on.
https://twitter.com/ZeppLaRouche/status/1495046344104415235Funny that they call themselves progressives but have "National Bolshevism" and "social conservatism" as their ideology lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Socialist_Party_of_Ukraine No.509086
>>509081Actually builds socialism LIKE A BOSS
Bagration time
No.509087
>>509069What was the previous tweet that was going around with almost the same wording lol
No.509090
>>509058All of them at the same time? And no one is calling it "evil". It's clear and obvious that Russia is an oligarchy with Putin at it's political head, this isn't new news. And it's also clear that Russia would 'like' to have the Ukraine become part of the greater Russian political whatever. It's also clear that in the Ukraine there are separatists who are indistinguishable from fascists and ethnic cleansers that should all be rounded up to a wall and all executed without due process such as the "azov". But in my personal opinion I think it should be Ukrainians who decide their future and I prefer the bullets to come from other Ukrainians rather than Russian troops when dealing with the reactionaries in this country.
More often times than not I do not extend such courtesy to Poland because Poland is a theocracy that needs to just be nuked. It's a wart of Eastern Europe.
No.509092
>>509091LaRouche was the OG Dugin
No.509093
>>509091>because along with the Marxism she was also influenced by the ideas of Lyndon LaRouche.Of fucking course. Do these LaRouche guys have more influence than one would think? Despite their abysmal election results in the US and with their proxy parties in Germany, Australia, etc. I keep seeing some academics, bluechecks on Twitter, and various political figures in the sphere or Russian and Chinese geopolitics identifying as a LaRouchite.
No.509094
>>509085No fucking way lmao, these guys were also high up in proto-LDNR in the early days
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Gubarev (Pic 1)
>Pavel Yuryevich Gubarev (Russian: Па́вел Ю́рьевич Гу́барев, pronounced [ˈpavʲɪl ˈjʉrʲjɪvʲɪdʑ ˈɡubərʲɪf]; Ukrainian: Павло Юрійович Губарєв; born 10 February 1983) is a Ukrainian pro-Russian activist who proclaimed himself the "People's Governor" of the Donetsk Region at the Regional Assembly on 3 March 2014, after separatists seized the building. Gubarev had earlier declared himself leader of the Donbas People's Militia.[5] But since then he has been sidelined by other separatist leaders and was banned from taking part in the 2014 Donbas parliamentary elections.[2] These elections also eliminated the post of "People's Governor".[2] Gubarev was not a major figure in local politics prior to the beginning of the 2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine.[citation needed]Also found this while looking him up because I forgot his name
>In Donetsk, the Kremlin supported Pavel Gubarev as self-proclaimed ‘People’s Governor’ of Donetsk Oblast. Now under arrest, Gubarev is a former member of the neo-Nazi ‘Russian National Unity’ party founded in Moscow in 1990 and a current member of the far-right, misleadingly named, Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine. This party’s leader is Natalya Vitrenko, a long-term associate of American right-wing extremist and anti-Semite Lyndon LaRouche and Eurasianist ideologue Aleksandr Dugin. The latter personally instructed the extremists in Donetsk after Gubarev had been arrested by the Ukrainian security service.https://blogs.ucl.ac.uk/ssees/2014/05/09/south-eastern-ukraine-extremism-and-the-anti-maidan/Why is LaRouche everywhere lmao
Pic 2 is RAG, the RNU's paramilitary reported to be in Donbas
No.509096
>>509080My man wearing the Squares camo to blend into the industrial setting.
Russell is a true chad getting these news out. A tiny signal amidst the noise of western propaganda.
No.509097
>>509090Well, the Russian troops haven't invaded, so far it has been Russian-backed separatists vs NATO-backed Ukrainians
No.509098
>>509094>we could have had the world's first larouchite stateanguish
No.509099
>>509093>>509092
>Stop Inciting Ukraine Toward War with Russia!Jan. 28–Natalia Vitrenko is a Doctor of Economic Sciences and Chairman of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (PSPU). She served as a People’s Deputy in the Verkhovna Rada (the national parliament of Ukraine) from 1995-2002. In 1999, Vitrenko was a prominent candidate for the Presidency of Ukraine. She has been a long-time collaborator with Helga Zepp-LaRouche and the Schiller Institute in many conferences and initiatives, most recently as speaker at the LaRouche Legacy Foundation’s August 14 international seminar, “On the 50th Anniversary of LaRouche’s Stunning Forecast of August 15, 1971: So, Are You Finally Willing To Learn Economics?”
https://larouchepub.com/other/2022/4905-stop_supplying_weapons_and_usi.html No.509101
>>509093Yes they are a cult and they work extremely hard to scam people and make international connections and appear normal
No.509102
>>509093The two worst-faring parties in German elections are usually the LaRouchists and the WSWS-trots
No.509103
>>509096>Squares camo to blend into the industrial settingI thought the square camo was for looking pixelated because everybody switched to digital sensors.
No.509104
>>509099>People's Opposition Bloc of Natalia Vitrenkohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Opposition_Bloc_of_Natalia_VitrenkoDmitry Alekseev, a Russian political technologist and director general of Russia's National Political Agency, said in December 2013 that Russia was trying to "forge" pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine, so it was funding Viktor Medvedchuk's Ukrainian Choice project, as previously funded by Natalia Vitrenko's PSPU.[11]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Choice No.509105
>>509101So like an American Falun Gong?
No.509108
>>509102we have a larouchist party?
No.509109
One of the theories floating about right now is that Russian force posture is just to safely carry out the evacuation of the LNR/DPR, after which the armed forces will get evac'd under the cover of Russian guns followed by letting the Ukrainians have the territory. Not sure I believe it, but Russia never wanted to deal with a break away region in eastern ukraine and didn't intervene in it until it looked like the Ukrainians were going to carry out an ethnic cleansing
No.509110
>>509102And they are actually very similar in their appearence as well, the SGP Trots also dress up in suit and tie and want to appear normal and official.
But the LaRouchites of BüSo, of which Helga is the chairwoman, overdo it. They actually put a lot of work into getting recognized and file various direct candidates every election, but they appear far more crazy than the Australian Citizens Party who seem to make more inroads - in Germany, they stand with framed pictures of Vladimir Putin in front of post offices. For a country that has a stick up its ass like Germany, this is very off-putting. Still, I am always surprised when I see them punching way above their weight, they frequent CGTN for example.
No.509111
>>509025>So? It'll just be Russia and China exploiting the Global South workers/markets; both are extremely nationalist entities who are friends of capital and don't export communist ideology abroad.
<China/Russia appear Imperialist <West appear imperialist Therefore China/russia imperialism the same as that of the west
<An octopus appear to have eyes< Mammals appear to have eyes Therefore the eyes of the octopus are the same as those of mammals
Reality: if you take historical development in account, only then you will see that they're not the same, it is convergent evolution.
You think in metaphysical categories, consider the complete different historical development of China/russia vs that of the West.
Surface appearance =/= Essence
No.509113
>>509100<70 violationsYesterday they were 60…
Still a long way to go but definitely slightly heating up
No.509115
>>509113weren't they 60 for the entire day yesterday? we've still got some time for a
VLADOLF STATIN MOMENT No.509116
>>509104>Unexpected Friendships: Cooperation of Ukrainian Ultra-Nationalists with Russian and Pro-Kremlin Actorshttps://www.illiberalism.org/unexpected-friendships-cooperation-of-ukrainian-ultra-nationalists-with-russian-and-pro-kremlin-actors/She's also mentioned in this article in how she worked together with this guy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmytro_Korchynsky
>After being excluded[4] from UNA-UNSO in 1997, Korchynsky became a media pundit and political analyst. He founded the Bratstvo Organization in 2002, which he claims has several hundred members in Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa and Chernihiv.[3] Bratstvo was not officially registered until March 2004. Though the group describes itself as an Orthodox Christian organization, it is not affiliated with any of the three Orthodox churches operating in Ukraine. He has described his group in his self-published newsletter as the Orthodox Taliban,[3] and on his website as a Christian Hezbollah[5] Anton Shekhovtsov, a well-known specialist on far-right organizations spoke of Korchynsky as being “widely considered an agent provocateur, and his "Bratstvo" already took part in several actions that were meant to provoke police suppression of peaceful protests”.[6] No.509117
>>509113Yesterday were more than hundreds, wtf? did you read the last thread?
No.509119
>>509097I've only heard of the Ukrainian fascist militias but what are these Russia backed separatists? And how come I haven't really heard about them?
No.509120
>>509113>>509117 (me)
>The Special Mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) for Monitoring in Ukraine recorded a large increase in activity along the line of contact in the Donbas region.
>The organization's monitors noted a total of 222 ceasefire violations in the Donetsk region, including 135 explosions. Meanwhile, in the Lugansk region, a total of 648 violations were recorded, including 519 explosions.from thread 11.0 No.509121
>>509115In ukraine is already 6 pm, and in Donetsk is 7 pm.
If things get heated in the night it would signal things getting serious.
No.509122
>>509116It's a bit rich for liberals to clutch pearls over dealing with ultranats in Ukraine lmao
No.509124
>>509119The entire war has been fought by paramilitaries, idk why you haven't heard of them. The Lugansk People's Republic and the Donetsk People's Republic have amassed these forces, they aren't Russian troops
No.509125
>>509119because leftoids have as skewed a version of the events as the liberals and rightoids. also the separatist militias maintain WWII memories purely for ethnic pride so that helps leftoids who are automatically sympathetic when they see Donbass residents cosplaying as Red Army soldiers on Victory Day
No.509126
>>509119>>509125They are being discussed in this very thread, just a few posts higher than this conversation
No.509127
You know, I was originally neutral about this whole conflict but after seeing all the obvious and sloppily done Russian false flags going on such as the saboteur video with stolen audio from another YouTube video and the evacuation announcement video that had metadata showing it was made days before recent tensions erupted, I'm more inclined to believe the Ukrainian side now. Does not mean that I don't see faults in the reactionary Ukrainian government. It's just that it's clear to me now that Russia is trying to provoke a war for its own imperialist ambitions.
No.509128
LaRouchites = glow
No.509129
>>509126sure, i've just encountered lots of online leftists whose knowledge of the conflict goes nowhere beyond "i heard Azov Nazi militia is there"
No.509131
>>509109>One of the theories floating about right now is that Russian force posture is just to safely carry out the evacuation of the LNR/DPR, after which the armed forces will get evac'd under the cover of Russian guns followed by letting the Ukrainians have the territory. Not sure I believe it, but Russia never wanted to deal with a break away region in eastern ukraine and didn't intervene in it until it looked like the Ukrainians were going to carry out an ethnic cleansingThat could be plausible but what happens to these People once they are in Russia, where are they going to live and so on.
>>509127>glow No.509133
Can someone give me the quick rundown on this Larouche guy and his ideas/beliefs, I just know that Haz gets called it but idk the context behind who this "philosopher" is.
No.509134
>>509127Russian imperial ambitions might be real, but Russia is sort of a declining great power and there is the matter of Putin just not wanting its peripheral countries to be in NATO, in a Russian version of a more defensive Monroe doctrine. Seems like a rational geopolitical wish even though Putin is a reactionary.
No.509135
Russia is apparently gonna start releasing information they have of ethnic cleansing the Ukrainians have been carrying out. They're saying they have evidence of mass graves and mass killings done by Azov
No.509136
>>509069Big if true
lol >>509127Yes agent , I too was neutral until I learnt that Russia caused all this by fomenting a separatist uprising in 2014. Clearly
the meddling was not limited to the 2016 USA presidential elections Vladolf Putler has no respect for the sovereignty of other nations, and Putinist Russia is a rogue state that threatens the decades of peace the US bought with it's many sacrifices in WW2.
No.509138
>>509135Actually they are from Putler's genocide
No.509139
>>509133This is rather crude summary but he was trot who turned into some weird flashy cult leader. At the center of his ideology is that the British crown still controls the world or something. Anglos are to larouchites as jews are you Nazis sort of.
Overall its a sort of eclectic mix of different shit. Think Gaddhafi but for Americans I guess.
No.509140
I hope things got escalate more & more. So the Europeans scums won't mess with Global South again. Well who knows it might trigger nuclear war. We already had enough anyway. It's all fuckin' tiresome. Let's just end the antichrist.
No.509141
>>756497(me)
Fashy not flashy
No.509142
@leonidragozin
>State of brinkmanship:
>Russia: Yes, we are mad enough to start a war unless Ukraine implements Minsk. Starting in one, two, three… eighty-seven, eighty-eight…
>Ukraine: War? OK, war. Stick your Minsk up you know what.
>US: War now! War now! War now!
The only logical conclusion from this is militias continuing to fight (nothingburger)
No.509144
>>509127Thats a stupid reason to believe that. The whole metadata crap could easily have been manipulated and the "sloppily done Russian false flags" are all a matter of framing. Just compare it to the "sloppily false flags" done by the ukraine, like the Kindergarden which was hit by a bomb but had all its windows intact. In the end we have to sides with large amounts of ressources waging an information war at the moment, so getting manipulated into backing one side of the other on singular events is easy. Be careful.
The reason why I am starting to believe the Ukrainian side is because the recent invasion of the Donbass by the Ukraine makes absolutely no sense. NATO wont save them, the Russians are directly at the border and they have 0 chance of beating the russians in an open conflict. This would be the absolute worst moment for the Ukraine to do something like this.
No.509145
>>509142m8, don't wasting your time here then. Why don't you go back?
No.509146
>>509143USSR reunification.
No.509147
>>509143What a strange way for Russia to announce invasion, lol. Very Russian state department-y. (Or whatever the Russian equivalent is)
No.509148
>>509143Luka announcing the final status of the Union State then announcing the reformation of the USSR under his command
No.509149
>>509144>Thats a stupid reason to believe that. The whole metadata crap could easily have been manipulated Oh please. If there was a video of Kamala or biden speaking like that and max Blumenthal or Ben Norton tracked it down that was recorded days earlier you'd be going ballistic as would all the pro Russia crowd on twitter making fun the officials for pre planning this.
Don't be biased, you know that is fishy and strange
No.509150
>>509146Soviet Reunion, amen
No.509151
>>509149NTA, but what does it mean though? That they were planning to evacuate and lie about the date? What does that accomplish
No.509152
>>509149Wtf are you on about. This isn't about what retards like Ben Norton would have done in the scenario.
The truth of the matter is it could have been easily manipulated. This isn't some "uh, the video was manipulated with cgi" bullshit, its literally just changing a few numbers with an editing software.
No one takes this shit seriously outside of some twitteroids who wanted attention.
No.509153
>>509135Ha! I told you they would do a false flag!
No.509154
>>509149>if if ifBut that hasn't happened, or is it? STFU. Metadata can be edited as easily as we write here, and TGZ isn't a group of kids in Bananas in Pyjamas suits not able to verify things before being posted.
No.509155
>>509152Some anon here tested if Telegram strips the metadata and apparently it does. I'm seeing conflicting information online about sending as file vs as picture/video (which compresses) but metadata can literally be easily edited in as well anyways. The narrative of "super 1337 hax0r robot Ivan that conveniently leaves some clues by mistake and only works during Moscow times" that the media peddles is getting old by now lol
No.509156
>>509155Couldn't someone else just go to that telegram channel, download that video and verify? I didn't see anyone on twitter do anything but immediately fellate "osint"
I still don't know what it would tell us about Russia, other than that they are lying, same as everyone in any modern war
No.509157
>>509156be careful though, in some countries being a member of an "illegal" telegram group can be a crime.
No.509158
>>509143Biden 2020: America is back
Putin 2022: Russia is back
No.509159
>>509157Imagine fucking using telegram for anything.
No.509160
>>509159There was a Syrian war channel that stopped posting in 2017
No.509161
>>509159There is a confidential app I forgot the name
It deletes messages every an x amount if seconds
No.509162
>>509161Signal can do that. (Use the Molly fork though.)
No.509163
>>509143Question, does the US not have a tag to signify state propaganda on Twitter like Chinese media or Russian media has?
No.509165
>>509163lol no. They are "independent media" lmao.
Even if the BBC has been proved to receive funds from the intelligence agencies of the U.K., they wouldn't be tagged as "British media".
No.509168
>>508952> has ties to oligarchs. Guess who runs the Russian government?
Oligarchs
It’s exactly the same situation as mainstream media being owned by US oligarchs who also run the US government.
No.509170
>>509168I'd rather have a multipolar world where America has to watch its ass than a unipolar one where America coups and invades whomever it wants.
Sorry if that triggers you faggot.
No.509171
>>509169And half of Reuters' articles are titled "US says this about ____"
No.509172
>>509169>MeduzaApropos of nothing it’s a Riga PMC Rag
No.509173
I mean, so long as it's Russian separatists and not the actual Russian army doing the violence, it's still fizzle.
Spicy fizzle, but still fizzle.
No.509174
It's not about Russia winning, it's about NATO losing. NATO will encircle anyone who who doesn't surrender their military. I'm glad that there is any resistance at all to that. The people of Ukraine are fucked either way
No.509176
>>509170To the bothsideist in this wouldn't they want a multi polar world? It's the best climate to fight imperialism by working inside the chaos of inter-imperialist conflict. Russia's imperialist? China's imperialist? Ok let them bloody themselves on America as America does the same from them. What's wrong with these folks uni-polar imperialism is stable and harder to fight. So much for supposed "anti-Imperialist"
No.509178
>>509175Looks like they will shill for any state department. Stenographer means someone who will record what someone says. News media does that and presents it as news
No.509179
>>509163No. Not even the ones directly funded by the US government itself.
YouTube on the other hand does for some reason.
No.509180
>>509171Some other anon posted this, they aren't very subtle apparently:
<https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/posts/authors/dawn-scalici/Dawn Scalici joined Thomson Reuters in July 2015 to serve as the company’s first Government Global Business Director. She is charged with the responsibility of advancing Thomson Reuters’ ability to meet the disparate needs of the U.S. Government—working across the company’s major business lines and optimally leveraging its vast and unique data, products, and services. In this capacity she develops strategic relationships with government sector constituents and key decision-makers, develops campaigns to promote Thomson Reuters’ business growth, and works with the company’s senior executives to determine relevant strategic goals and plans.
Prior to joining Thomson Reuters, Ms. Scalici served 33 years with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In her last federal assignment, she served as the National Intelligence Manager for the Western Hemisphere within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). In this role, she was responsible for overseeing national intelligence for an area of responsibility spanning from the Arctic to the tip of South America, including the US Homeland.
Ms. Scalici serves on the Board of Directors for the Association for International Risk Intelligence Professionals and on the Board of Advisors of the Momentum Aviation Group (MAG). She also serves on the Intelligence Committee of the Arms Forces Communications and Electronics Association (AFCEA) and the Homeland Security Intelligence Council of the Intelligence and National Security Alliance (INSA).
<Twitter partners with UK govt-backed, CIA-linked Reuters to censor alternative viewshttps://thegrayzone.com/2021/08/04/twitter-uk-cia-reuters-censorship/ No.509182
>>509181Is this supposed to mean that the AP is objective and unbiased?
No.509183
>>509180And the creator of the grayzone father is the biggest glowuyghur on planet and best friends with Hillary as a great advisor to her for decades.
These articles are real interesting to read but anyone can look up people's career history and ties, they are openly searchable.
No.509185
>>509180>the US HomelandGod I hate this creepy 1984 speak.
No.509186
>>509183Yeah dude but Max broke all ties with that establishment, they hate him now more than anything because he was part of their club and decided to rogue. It's a bit unfair to say that.
No.509188
>>756586
VLADOLF PUTLER SHITTED AND FARTED IN MY MOUTH
No.509189
>>756586
Nazi Germany was an imperialist country talking about Lebensraum in the East with open irredentionist attitudes of all "lost" German territories. Russia is not imperialist, and not saying it would attack anyone.
No.509190
>>756586
unlikely, as the soviet union existed. You might have a point if you used the Kaiser instead of Hitler though.
No.509191
>>509184They'll take anyone with a shitty humanities degree
>160k full applications in 2008Jesus christ
No.509192
>>756586
HOLY SHIT PUTLER JUST DID A GENOCIDE OVER MY HOUSE
No.509193
>>756586
pee pee poo poo
No.509194
>>756586
PUTLER MOMENT!!!
No.509195
>>756586
if this were 1914 you'd be supporting the austro-hungarians against the serbian separatists because russia was an imperialist power.
No.509196
>>756586
Hitler literally had a banner that said: Marxism must die, for Germany to be reborn. You'd have to be pretty crazy to try and spin that to a pro communist statement. But then again PatSocs are basically that stupid, they'd call Hitler "lesser evil" because he's "populist".
In any case no one here is saying Russia is a fascist country. Russia is no different than the US in terms of it's capitalist oligarchy but on terms of imperialism Russia is most definitely on the defensive. We do not like NATO and if NATO did not exist maybe our analysis would be different, drastically different. NATO is imperialist but without a NATO the US would have to directly occupy a country like South Korea or Afghanistan which would set an even more dangerous precedent. But the US doesn't have the resources to occupy every nation so NATO is it's imperial arm.
No.509198
>>509197Truss is as thick as pig shit.
No.509199
>>509197Wow, who could have predicted this?
No.509201
>>509127>they're bad at information and propaganda wars, so that means they're the bad guys !>huh, could it have been that I am more exposed to one side propaganda than the other ? nahhilarious reasoning
>neutral about this whole conflict then you were on the west side already, west is the aggressor on the geopolitical level
>evacuation announcement video that had metadata showing it was made days before I am still unsure about this, because telegram is supposed to strip metadata for one, and preparing an evacuation in advance isnt really shocking
>It's just that it's clear to me now that Russia is trying to provoke a war for its own imperialist ambitionsnow that just retarded, they would have invaded already if thats what they really wanted
also
<do not want US nukes and airbases on its border<muh imperialist ambitionskys
No.509202
>>509127I will add the ukrainian are the one not respecting the original minsk agreement, the only demand russia has is a guarantee it doesnt enter nato and the respect of minsk
and ukrainian are fucking over their population (and the whole of europe) only for US interests
No.509203
>>509197Why do these people insist on embarassing themselves with these exact predictions? It feels like they are continuously shooting themselves in the foot.
No.509204
>>509196And Putin called the soviet system a "fairytale", equated "bolshevism" (in that word) with modern american sjws and called both a "crime against humanity".
Source for the last part:
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66975 No.509206
Russia will invade at three dillies to the dally
No.509207
>>509206OMG IT'S HAPPOONIN
No.509208
>>509204If you compare that with Hitler you are unhinged. He doesn't outlaw the Communist Party. He doesn't ban trade unions. Hitler did all that.
No.509210
>>509204Have you seen what he says about the Bolsheviks?
>"The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as inexhaustible material for their social experiments. They dreamt of a world revolution that would wipe out national states. That is why they were so generous in drawing borders and bestowing territorial gifts. It is no longer important what exactly the idea of the Bolshevik leaders who were chopping the country into pieces was. We can disagree about minor details, background and logics behind certain decisions. One fact is crystal clear: Russia was robbed, indeed."http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181Literally word for word regurgitation of white guard/fascist slander from the 1920s.
<"The J̶e̶w̶i̶s̶h̶ scheming Bolsheviks carved up holy Russia!" No.509211
>>509208>>509209calm the fuck down americano, I'm not saying he's literally putler but he's a clear enemy to communism (look at this shit lmao
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_of_Grief ) and this board seems to forget that
No.509212
I posted like once in the 11.0 Version of this thread. Shit is moving too fast.
No.509213
>>509212So much is happening. Invasions are being rescheduled. Genocides. Misleading satements from politicians. Maybe the biggest happooning since ww2
No.509214
>>509212Tbf a sizeable portion of posts are people just yelling PUTLER at each other
No.509215
>>509213>So much is happeningAHHHHHHHHHH IT'S HAPPENING AAAAAAAAAA
No.509216
remember thread 4.0? those were the good ol days. now the threads are filled with these zoomers, always on their damn phones
No.509217
>>509211has anyone on this board said that putin is a communist, or a friend to communism? i would be surprised if you could find a single example of someone saying something so obviously stupid. what you see as support for putin and russia is actually just opposition to nato.
No.509218
>>509169Fuck that fake news, all the videos of people leaving show perfectly how they were calm, not swearing, and very eager to escape.
No.509219
>>509211In what way is Putin more of an enemy of communism than every other bourgeois politician in the West? In fact, I would say he is
less of an enemy because despite some of the shit he said he still has an interest to not shit all over the legacy of the USSR because that would damage his popularity massively.
If your entire argument is "well, he is not a communist", then duh fucking duh, I didn't know that! I thought he was the reincarnation of Plekhanov!
No.509220
>>509210>Literally word for word regurgitation of white guard/fascist slander from the 1920s.=OMG LEDERALLY PUTLER=
No.509221
>>509211>Look here peasants, here is the UNDENIABLE PROOF that PUTLER is the ETERNAL and MORTAL ENEMY of Communism!!1!1!<link to some stupid monument wow… tankies
? truly have lost the plot. This is some lib aesthetics-focused bullshit.
No one is saying Putin is a communist or even an ally, but painting him as the greatest threat communists have ever faced is ridiculous.
No.509222
>>756586
>in things that have never happen to make a false equivalent argument, comes the resident ultralerino to apport nothing to the table.
No.509223
>>756586
>in things that have never happened to make a false equivalent argument, comes the resident ultralerino to apport nothing to the table.
No.509224
🥱🥱 FIZZLE 🥱🥱
No.509226
If you are a communist, the Ukrainian government wants to arrest you and probably torture you (I mean they do have nazis within their security forces). I dare everyone to travel to Ukraine and openly declare you allegiances.
When you are a communist in Russia, the government says: "ah okay. Cool. It's a bit idealistic, we don't want that, but okay."
Now who is the great anti-communist enemy you fucking Maoist and anarchist LARPers
No.509227
>>509226>ukraine is the I'M SILLY guy in the ms paint comic while russia is the calm and collected voice of reasonok putler
No.509228
>>509213And I'm missing out on all those sweet nothings.
>>509214Putler is a thing now?
>>509221The thing is, while Putin might be an enemy to communists, the criticism in this context is an implicit approval of NATO, even if they denounce NATO. Nuance is dead. You're either a Putin dick sucker or a fan of NATO the defense alliance bringing peace to the world by countries that choose to join by their own volition.
Agent Kochinskiites on the internet have been conjuring the idea that "tankies" think Russia is leftist or some shit, or as Adam Something says, "it will bring about leftist utopia". You can't win, so no point in trying to convince redditors that Putler doesn't exist. If Putler is a thing then Biden is the Satanic Butler.
No.509229
>>509225The based region has activated
No.509231
>>509228wtf biden is literally budler??
No.509232
>>509212To be fair it's going too slow IMHO
No.509233
>>509227The KPRF is an openly communist party, was 2nd place in the last elections and has shifted further left in the past years, especially at the base. Keep glowing
No.509234
>>509227The Ukrainian government after 2014 has not just outlawed the big Communist Party (in case you think they were shit), but communism altogether, including tendencies you might sympathize with, outlawed communist symbolic (hammer and sickle, red stars, everything), tore down Lenin statues and replaced them with fucking Bandera.
It's not about who is the "voice of reason". I am getting arrested and tortured in Ukraine, I am left alone to organize in Russia. Russia might have banned the NazBol party but for historical reasons they can never outlaw the Communist Party and that is a fact. Cope, seethe, dilate.
No.509237
>>756586
Try 1939. Some anons here would've been foaming at the mouth about Hitler (especially after the KPD gets BTFO) until Molotov-Ribbentrop when they'd switch on a dime, proclaiming Hitler the true expression of the German working class
No.509238
>>509204In no place says that, chums. Also, Putin himself said he would stop the USSR dissolution if it was possible for him to go back in time.
https://apnews.com/article/d36b368c6ad44bb2b8e883fc8d800514>he was asked what occurrence in Russia he would have most liked to have prevented.
>He replied “the disintegration of the Soviet Union,” according to Russian news reports.
>In 2005, Putin attracted wide attention when he said in a state-of-the-nation speech that the Soviet collapse was “the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century.”Which unlike you, nothing was taken out of context as you do intentionally in your post.
No.509239
>>509237omg hitler is literally hutler??
No.509240
>>509239Holy shit historic Putler?!? 😳
No.509241
>>509237>proclaiming Hitler the true expression of the German working classNot a single communist said that after the non-aggression pact.
No.509242
>>509240Hitler was the original Putin. Deep
No.509243
>>509241The guy i made up in my mind did, checkate Putlerites
No.509244
>>509226Is Ukraine really just a big "sundown town" only burgers know what a sundown town is.
No.509245
>>509243This but unironically because you know for sure Haz would be calling us all cucks for not supporting his boy Adolf
No.509246
>>509228>Putler is a thing now? Yeah, we're on like day 2 I think. Not gonna lie, Vladolf Putler is kinda funny but I know it's gonna get run into the ground in a week.
>>509231Bidenito Joessolini **okay so it's not a good bit*
No.509247
>>509244Biden president of Ukraine? 😳
No.509248
>>509210And how did that work for the Russians after the USSR dissolution, to have parts of its state given to other republics? it is what I said above about Lenin. That process went without considering ethnics tensions, and socialism isn't and never was a panacea for ethnic tensions. Even with the revolutionary processes.
You hate Russia and love to slander it, but you can't fucking start your revolution in one of the countries that contributed to encricle the USSR and later dissolved, with many people losing faith in communism adopting different idoologies, you pretend to blame it on all of them and project it as something worst or comparable to the west, when in fact the NATO alliance capted nazis and anti-communists of all sort to destroy the USSR.
You are, and always will a class traitor.
No.509249
Joe Biden -> Joseph Butler -> (sissy hypnosis) -> Judith Butler.
Any questions?
No.509250
Hello fellow comrades, I too want Josef Putler to genocide the Ukrainians again, because that is what communism is all about.
No.509251
>>509250ukrainians have the anti-communist AND the nazi gene in them, it's in their nature
rule under comrade putler might not be the best but he's still preferable so critical support for literally putler against azov neonazism
No.509252
>>509248The destruction of the USSR affected proletarians of all 15 republics, not merely Russians. The USSR wasn't just Russia, but an equal union of republics, and the territory of the Russian Federation today is the same as that of the RSFSR so nothing has changed in that regard.
Proletarians in central Asia and the Baltic SSRs had it arguably worse than Russian ones, given the fascistic levels of repression against communists in those regions.
I'm well aware of the role of NATO in rehabilitating nazism and the British bourgeoisie in fighting communism from Malaya to Ireland.
No.509253
>>509249yes where does Vladolf Putler fit into this equation
No.509254
>>509249The problem with your theory is that it's clearly it's Jodolf Bidler
No.509255
>>509253Good question:
Vladimir Putin -> Vladimir Putler -> ??? No sissy hypnosis -> WWIII
Transitioning would've saved her.
>>509254Perhaps, I'll need to check the math.
No.509256
>>509254>Joedolf Bidlerepic
No.509258
>>509230Satanic quadruplets of truth
No.509259
>>509230NATO losing != Putin winning
No.509260
Vladolf Putler is a lot like Adolf Hitler
Jodolf Bidler is also a like like Adolf Hitler
Could Joe Biden and Vladimir Putin be the same person? And they're both literally Hitler?
No.509262
Another pipeline just got blown up by an IED
No.509263
>>509261Uncritical support for black Trumputler
No.509265
>>509067"Dictatorial powers"? LMAO
>>509057Truly American Brain Syndrome is something else, eh? The world would be such a boring place if it was the way Americans see it
No.509268
>>509064>I mixed up two generations of fascist nationalistsThere is direct continuity between 1945 and today with the OUN/UPA/ABN. They are the exact same organizations with the exact same leadership and members. Ukrainian Nazi collaborators from WWII were ratlined to New York and Toronto to set up an anti-communist league immediately after the fall of Berlin and their children led the coup in 1991 and 2004 are in direct control of the Ukrainian military and Parliament since 2014.
No.509269
>>509252Then STFU, disingenuous "Leninhat" Russia hater. You prefer to point out the problems of a society running away from communism, despite was the west who accomplished this goal (Hillary laughing they achieved to make lose billions in Afghanistan, sanctioning countries in Europe not to trade with the USSR, controlling commodity markets with the dollar, etc), even being one of the societies with more class-consciousness in Europe as they are with their internal contradictions, which the west has a huge chunk of responsibility in that regard, if not more than the USSR leadership alone.
Your choir overlaps so much with the illiberal dot org Washignton think tank talking about all the "olligarchs" all the "nationalists" all the "facists" it is annoying. You don't and won't understand the Russian population.
Stay class-traitor.
No.509271
Based Comrade Putler tested his hypersonic missiles today in preparation for the inevitable (and le communist) hypersonic nuclear holocaust
https://nitter.kavin.rocks/ASBMilitary/status/1495104300544106500#m No.509272
First of all, imperialism isnt "muh invading countries". Imperialism is, as was described by Lenin in "Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism", an economic system that appears as capitalism developes into monopoly capitalism and as capital becomes increasingly centralized into fewer and fewer hands. Explained simply, imperialism is the capitalist relation of extraction of surplus value (profits) from the workers by the capitalist class, but between countries. Why is the global south so impoverished while the US and EU are rich? Because the US and EU are extracting surplus value from the countries of the global south. Their natural resources are transformed into commodities by the workers of the global south, but the profits derived from that are stolen by the US and EU capitalist class. This is imperialism. Now why do we consider the multiple acts of US military aggression as imperialism? Not because the US simply invading someone for no reason would be imperialism, but because the reason the US does what it does is to expand and protect its imperialist system. Why was Yugoslavia targeted? Because US corporations wanted to get ahold of its natural resources to extract more profits, as demanded by capitalism. This is the same with any other US intervention.
However, Russias actions are not fueled by imperialism, since Russia, despite being a capitalist country, has not reached a sufficient monopoly capitalism as to become imperialist. Thus, the only reason Russia would invade Ukraine, would be to stop US imperialism, which wants to colonize Russia to extract its profits for US corporations. Even if Russia randomly decided to invade idk Poland for no reason, that wouldnt be imperialism, it would be expansionism at most.
No.509275
Who expected the 2020s eco-fascist to be Joe Biden?
No.509276
>>509248>socialism isn't and never was a panacea for ethnic tensionsactually it is. There were a lot less ethnics problems in europe when it was under soviet domination. All this national shit resurfaced once the socialist project died
No.509277
>>509272>since Russia, despite being a capitalist country, has not reached a sufficient monopoly capitalism as to become imperialistWat, more of russia's economy is dominated by monopolies than any other country
No.509278
>>509277They are less successful monopolies than Western ones
No.509279
>>509278define "successful"
No.509280
>>509277A monopoly (from Greek μόνος, mónos, 'single, alone' and πωλεῖν, pōleîn, 'to sell') is as described by Irving Fisher, a market with the "absence of competition", creating a situation where a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular thing. Monopolies are thus characterized by a lack of economic competition to produce the good or service, a lack of viable substitute goods, and the possibility of a high monopoly price well above the seller's marginal cost that leads to a high monopoly profit. The verb monopolise or monopolize refers to the process by which a company gains the ability to raise prices or exclude competitors. In economics, a monopoly is a single seller. In law, a monopoly is a business entity that has significant market power, that is, the power to charge overly high prices, which is associated with a decrease in social surplus.
No.509281
>>509276You contradict in one single sentence. If it was a panacea, it wouldn't resurge after communism was replaced. I'd say it requires a global revolution, but we don't have that, or is it?
No.509283
>>509280thanks for the update, webster.
No.509284
>muh russia will genocide ukraine
meanwhile ukraine is actually ethnically cleansing the eastern portions of as we speak
first and foremost critical support for the russian PEOPLE being terrorized by nazism
and then critical support for the state of russia acting in defense against the imperial powers that are enabling said nazism
tomorrow it could be YOU, it could be ME
nazism must be defended against at all costs
No.509285
>>509279Amount of profit extracted from other countries
No.509286
More news:
>▪️ The President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, warned this Saturday that the escalation of tensions between Russia and the West in recent weeks could "reshape the entire international order", and could end up isolating Moscow in a way that is not known. seen since the time of the Soviet Union.
>▪️During the Munich Security Conference, the senior official accused Russia of having accumulated its troops on the border with Ukraine, as evidence that it is trying to "coerce" the European country, and declared that Moscow is carrying out an "attempt brazen to rewrite the rules of the international system.
>▪️ "The world has been watching in disbelief as we face the largest troop buildup on European soil since the darkest days of the Cold War," said Von der Leyen.
>▪️At the same time, she noted that "the Kremlin's dangerous way of thinking, which stems directly from a 'dark past', may cost Russia a prosperous future" and promised a "robust package of financial and economic sanctions" in case of any aggression
No.509287
>>509264Wtf this is real
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ompundja_Constituency#PoliticsWhat kind of a piece of shit father did this poor guy have
At least he rebelled in the best way possible and joined SWAPO lol
No.509289
>>509285>russian monopolies extract less profit from other countries>thus russia is less monopolistic>thus russia is less imperialist >thus russia extracts less profit from other countriesenjoy your circular definition.
No.509290
Side notes:
>The RTVE Corporation messed up by writing "Soviet authorities" on a ticker shown live. The lapse quickly went viral.
>It was the Twitter user Jmmarlus who realized the ridiculous mistake and shared the video of the message.
>"Soviet authorities confirm that Putin and Macron will speak on the phone," read the ticker.
No.509291
>>509286Yeah it's totally going to shake things up if the EU cucks out and makes itself poorer for the opportunity to sniff the USA's ballsack. That would be quite the shakeup. Totally unprecedented.
No.509293
>>509283>>509278are they even monopolies? Does Russia set oil prices prices to get monopoly profits or are Russian oil prices dependent on OPEC? Do Russian oil profits go to financial monopolies to be divided among the bourgeoisie in global north countries or do they stay within Russia and go to welfare programs?
No.509294
>>509277yes but its way easier to get monopoly when the foreign companies are banned… and they dont really use those abroad, its internal monopoly
>>509281>it wouldn't resurgeyes it would, because ethnics tensions are mostly just a way economic tensions and contradictions are expressed in the places where its relevant. As long you have capitalism + diverse ethnicity, you will have ethnic tensions, once you're all together in a big socialist project you override that. Nation states were able to do this as well, but modern liberalism, financiarization and globalization massively reduced their power.
No.509295
>>509288>Russia is about a week away from having the same economy as North Koreab-based Vladikim Jong Putun about to seize the means of production???
No.509296
>>509277>Wat, more of russia's economy is dominated by monopolies than any other countryAgain with this lie.
The strategic sector and energetic are state-owned.
Putin reverted many of the neoliberal policies, something liberals in the west screeched hard since Putin and his circle arrived to power.
No.509297
>>509288>>509295Putinist Juche will become real in 7 days. Let's go Puche Gang
No.509298
>>509294>yes it would, because ethnics tensions are mostly just a way economic tensions and contradictions are expressed in the places where its relevant.Then it is not a panacea. Search what a panacea is in a dictionary.
No.509299
>>509289>less monopolisticWhat does this mean? A high percentage of a country's economy being monopolies says nothing about how much money they actually make. If Puerto Rico had strictly monopolies, does that make it imperialist, despite it being a poor peripheral nation and at a huge net negative of profits extracted minus profits being extracted from its country by larger countries?
No.509300
>>509297>Unnamed sources say that Vladolf Kim il-Pol Put will make Russian Juche real at 3am on TuesdayIT'S HAPPENING!
No.509301
>>509299I don't know man, you were the one who said imperialism had to do with monopolies, not me.
No.509302
>>509269Of course the USA played a role in the USSR's destruction, however internal Khrushchevite revisionism also did this.
The Washington think tanks have no problems with the rulers of Russia. They're both capitalists.
No.509303
>>756784
>anime pfp
No.509304
>>509288You guys see that implicit admission that the DPRK's economy is they way it is due to sanctions not socialism. That lib basically gave the game away there!
No.509305
>>756784
NOTICED
No.509306
>>509302>KhrushcheviteKruschev was a result of the west hating on the USSR.
>>509302>The Washington think tanks have no problems with the rulers of RussiaYou fucking retard, you are in a thread where the U.S./E.U. is threatening to reduce economy to "North Korea's" and you still repeat this shit.
CLASS TRAITOR No.509307
>>509301I'm actually not the OP and I didn't read his whole post. I don't personally think the definition of imperialism is a pure binary, suffice it to say that Russian economy is much smaller than US/united western economy
No.509308
>>509306>Scott fucking Adams speaks for western foreign policyno
No.509309
>>509305We were too many, and grandma gave birth.
No.509311
>>509306>reduce economy to "North KoreaThe DPRK has a socialist economy unlike Russia so that would be an improvement.
No.509312
>>509273Seems a strategy to not invade, not let Donbasians alone, and also deter Ukraine from using the UN blue helmets. And probably a form to expose the U.S. unwilling resolution to not solve things peacefully.
Seems a good strategy, and my prediction of shelling from outside the direct conflict is fading. Russia made its move. Let's see how the U.S. react.
No.509313
>>509265>Truly American Brain Syndrome is something else, eh? The world would be such a boring place if it was the way Americans see itYou didn't answer my question, dumbass
No.509314
>>509294>internal monopoly????
No.509316
>>509313Keep telling yourself that, anyone with two brain cells knows what was being implied
No.509317
>>756804
we know, putler
No.509319
>>509308See:
>>509286>>509311It's like NK didn't have a famine multiple times. LoL you don't care about the proletariat of the world,
class traitor, as long everyone else's does the struggle for you, dies or suffer, you are comfy that wouldn't be revisionism and o.k. to you. motherfucker, because you are comfy in your country you only act as a smugnorant russophobic ultra.
No.509320
>>509318I am now a Putlerist 😍
No.509321
>>756818
And yet Americans still use Soyuz spacecraft. Curious.
No.509322
I will now expose the degenerate burger music industry
ahem
putin
(yeah)
put out
(woo)
putin
(yeah)
put put
(woo)
No.509323
O9A are esoteric putlerists
No.509324
>>756824
where is the joke ?, in Ukraine
No.509325
>>5092881000 hours in paint
Vladikim Pao-Din
No.509326
>>509311The reduce to North Korea part is a comment on sanctions, numbnuts. The socialist model the DPRK follows is one of the things that kept them alive
No.509327
More news
>The special monitoring mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe has registered this Saturday a total of 591 violations of the ceasefire in the territory of the Donetsk region, while violations in the Lugansk region amount to 975.
No.509328
>>756834
Critical support for Texas liberation of ethnically Texan rebels in the Oklahoma panhandle
No.509329
>>509319DPRK famines are a giant myth, read the books by Dermot Hudson on the famine that never was.
No.509330
>>756834
Good, then they can hold this L
t. putler
No.509331
>>509326If the USA hasn't sanctioned Russia yet it's not going to any time soon. They can't even boycott World Cups and Olympics lol, never mind tackling their billionaire buddies.
No.509332
>>756842
putin has an amazon fetish he is therefore a chad
No.509335
>>509333>@POTUS told usopinion discarded
No.509337
>>509332The native peoples of the eurasian steppes and especially of russia, ukraine, the caucuses and central asia were called scythians and the scythians were a horse-riding peoples whom the amazon myth came from since women typically engaged in combat alongside men. Scythians also had a priestly shamanic caste of eunuch trans women called the "enarei" who drank mare pee for estrogen
No.509338
>>509337Based scythian tranis
No.509339
>>509329>famines are a giant mythOf course was real, they had a name "the arduous march" for it. You are implying I am saying that hundred of thousands died with that comment, you piece shit, I am not saying that. They suffered very shitty times, as Cuba with gas crisis when the USSR dissolved.
CLASS TRAITOR No.509341
Man o man the level of discourse here right now is dangerously low. This is just a shitpost thread by now. Move to Siberia
No.509342
>>509339Famine usually implies mass death, from the "holodomor" fantasy onwards.
No.509343
>>509340>e-celeb discarded
No.509344
>>509340aelleo aevaeryoene, noefackaz hear
No.509345
>glowy shitty takes are on the rise in the thread
Seems like it is happening?
No.509346
>>509340Lol do you even know who's channel you are linking?
Nfkrz despises putin. He loves the west
No.509347
>>509337damn I didn't know about this sounds really interesting
>>509340so they attacked him for basically being russian? so I was right. in the future if you speak mandarin or russian you will be lynched. this is the curse of chauvinism. I fucking hate being on this rock sometimes.
No.509348
>>509340i miss when this guy was underage and did cancer MLG and commentary videos
No.509349
>>509346It doesn't matter if he doesn't like Putin, he pointed out that western media is intending to spread as much disinformation as possible but when it comes to normal Russians, no one is anticipating war. Even Russian media is saying the west is overreacting as he said. Are you gonna take the NATO state department standpoint to own an "e-celeb" I dare you try. It'll be good to air out the glowies in this thread.
No.509350
>>509348His Brat video is good
No.509351
>>509347He has 1 million YouTube subscribers. When your channel is that big you will get hate from some people always.
That guy is an enormous liberal btw.
No.509352
>>509342In your dream world, where you think everyone, but you are liberals, you believe "famines" are a term I am associating with deaths, you tard. In reality, they do suffer an overall food shortage, which fucking is a famine.
You want that for Russians, in your comfy armchair. And the suffering of other nations that rely on Russian capabilities, too.
CLASS TRAITOR No.509353
>>509352I want civil war and proletarian revolution in Britain, and a red terror much harsher than what Russia had. Every country must have this.
No.509354
>>509349You clearly just found this guys channel and never seen anything he puts out. He dedicates his videos about politics to shitting on Russia, Russia media and who is in power there.
His ideal world is Navalny takes power
No.509356
>>509354Ah okay I guess I'll retract my opinion. NATO is right Russia is going to invade and every Ukrainian wants to ethnically cleanse every Russian. I'm sorry for having the incorrect opinion about this situation.
No.509357
>>509356Thanks for recapacitating
No.509358
>>509353lol, no you don't. don't start over again to say things you say you want, but you don't and won't, class traitor.
The fact that you want that Russians to suffer the same shit the DPKR suffered shows you care about no one else but to virtue signal some weird-ass orthodoxism with Leninism fixation. Kautsky would be proud of you.
No.509359
>>509351that he is famous is irrelevant. that some fucks decided to call him out him for simply being russian is atrocious. ww2 japanese descendant interment camps in amerikkka vibes all over. my faith in humanity is being eroded with each passing day. one thing I wish is for the tables to turn, so that the chauvinists may experience the feeling of being targeted because of your ethnicity.
No.509360
>>509358How am I a class traitor when I support proper class war like civil war era Russia?
The Russian proletariat already has suffered more than Korea, at the hands of white guards in 1918-1920, fascists in 1941-1945, and their "own" bourgeoisie since 1991.
No.509363
>>509360I am going to again reduce my answers, as Lenin said: Answer him with class-traitor, no other answer is possible to you, because each answer arises more answers from you, and that's a non-stop situation. With class-traitor answer is enough.
The fact that they developed Russia after the fall of the USSR shows you don't care about fighting west hegemony at all.
No.509364
More news:
>The secretary general of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), Stanislav Zas, told Reuters in an interview published on Saturday that the military bloc could deploy its peacekeeping forces in the Donbass region if the Ukrainian authorities and the international community is not opposed to it.
No.509365
>>509364LOL what a interesting way to frame such a decision
No.509366
>>509361Some Russian said that in the infamous Telegram metadata video, the Russian speaker didn't even say what day it was, as everyone in twitter claimed, which would have made it a lie. So they were evacuating earlier than announced and the news just didn't get out for a couple days. Massive, massive lol
No.509368
>>509367No, you don't class traitor.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SIPOVGINIRUSThis is how the people in charge managed to reduce the GINI coefficient.
Coincidentally to DPKR levels already:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?locations=KRCope, seethe, dilate. Pick one.
No.509370
Reminder that you need to have hypersonic nuclear missiles to threaten the hegemonic bourgeoisie, which unfortunately means that you probably have your own bourgeoisie
No.509373
>>509372HOLY SHIT TWO PUTINS?
No.509375
HOLY SHIT, TURN ON THE TV VLADOLF PUTLER JUST SAID HE WILL INVADE UKRAINE IN 5 MINUTES
No.509376
>>509371This is why conscription is based
No.509377
<The murder of Franz Ferdinand was a false flag, no way would Serbians provoke a war they couldn't win.
If the CIA were posting here in 1914
No.509378
HOLY SHIT, TURN ON THE TV VLOHN F PUTEDY WAS JUST SHOT BY A UKRAINIAN SNIPER WTF
No.509379
>>509364Is this Putin's 11D checkmate?
No.509380
>>509296any more info on this? from what I'm reading, energy companies in russia are only partly state owned, but unlike china the management are not Party members.
No.509382
>>509319Your feud against Leninhat is one of the most hilarious things ITT.
Imagine getting so riled up arguing against leninhat lol.
No.509383
>>509333 (Unhinged rant:ON)
<I say this as someone this and thatGod how much i fucking despise this liberal lived experience fetishism: just shut the fuck up Karen idk how your shitty life has been up to now.
(Unhinged rant:OFF)
No.509384
HOLY SHIT VLAD TSE-TUTIN IS DEBATING JOEDOLF BIDLER TURN ON CNN
No.509385
>>509369the implication of leninhat that Russians deserve to live like the DPKR because the Russians are horribly exploited (justifying the demise of the oligarchy ferocious, rapacious, fascists nationalists imperialist capitalists in Russia, thus the weakening of one of the de-facto members of the multipolar world) is counter-argumented showing that in fact they already have a GINI coeff similar to DPKR.
No.509387
>>509386www.knowyourmeme.com/troll_face.jpg
No.509391
>>509368Russia is more unequal than "my" country (Britain) is going by that list. Assuming you use GINI, which is a flawed method.
No.509392
>>509391Except Russia is not imperialist which steals gold accounts from other states to offset that GINI inequality.
No.509394
>>509385>Literally saying that North Korea is starving because of communism.Dunno you sound like the
CLASS TRAITOTERINO Here dude
No.509395
>>509393Because you are no different from an online gonzalite: Idealism, armchairism, inventing stuff and unwilling to accept multipolar as a current necessary now that the west is not willing to start a revolution any time soon. Also, because you are a kautskyte.
No.509397
>>509393Because you're a Pabloite renegade
No.509398
Thread with lots of stuff: videos of separatist men signing up to fight, bombed house in Russian territory, lots of videos of today's Russian military tests, general reports of bombings and politician statements.
https://nitter.kavin.rocks/ASBMilitary/status/1495147308027199491#mStupidberg rejecting diplomacy and Minsk accords in favor of war:
>STOLTENBERG: “So, if the Kremlin’s aim is to have less NATO on its borders, it will only get more NATO. And if it wants to divide NATO, it will only get an even more united alliance.”https://nitter.kavin.rocks/ASBMilitary/status/1495077936885645326#m No.509399
>>509390This one has no date. Shit prediction. A real man sets a date for his prediction.
No.509402
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1495158863699578888
>BREAKING:RIA Novosti reports "Explosions on the outskirts of Donetsk do not stop for half an hour straight"
<Shelling in the middle of the nightOk this is a step up
No.509403
>>509402Yeh, the Texan in Donbas said is non-stop during the last hour.
Pic semi-unrelated.
No.509404
>>509401>chechan spetsnazholy based
>>509403If he dies I will be sad
No.509405
>>509403>Yeh, the Texan in Donbas said is non-stop during the last hour.sauce my good anon?
No.509407
The Ukrainians got a green light once the foreign minister of Germany said that the NS-II would be canceled if Russia attacked Ukraine.
Tbh, I smelled soon something big would start once the richest left Ukraine. Usually, they know more than the rest. They are like the safety canary in a nuclear submarine.
No.509408
>>509395>>509397lol in two posts I get called a Maoist, Kautskyite and a Trotskyite.
I'm a Marxist Leninist.
No.509410
>>509407WHY ARE THE GERMANS SO FUCKING CUCKED. How much of it is Schultz being weak and letting that bitch Baerback run the entire nation into freezing this winter?
No.509412
>artillery duel ongoing for the last hour
>Dontesk city center being hit by Ukrainian army
No.509413
>>509412Are we happening-con 3 yet? I'd say that happening-con 4 involves Russian military
No.509415
>>509413Getting there. Russians won't intervene until Ukrainians attempt a push
No.509416
>>509412I am amazed that western media still isn't admitting that the Ukrainians are shooting into donbass
No.509417
is it actually happening ???
No.509418
>>509413TBH we're at a 2.5 in the
HAPPENING-CONPretty much to say that
Shit's about to Hit The Fan No.509419
Apparently, one of the men involved in the incident of the car explosion was captured and interrogated. Talks about the plans of taking violently Crimea.
https://vk.com/wall-170320622_66820
>Задержанный украинский агент рассказал, что его куратор порекомендовал уехать из Донецка, так как город подвергнется сильной бомбардировке со стороны ВСУ:
>"Он мне сказал, что Донецк подвергнется артиллерийскому массированному обстрелу. Желательно не находится во многоэтажных домах, потому, что можно погибнуть".
>The detained Ukrainian agent said that his handler recommended leaving Donetsk, as the city would be heavily bombarded by the Ukrainian Armed Forces:
>"He told me that Donetsk would be subjected to massive artillery shelling. It is advisable not to be in high-rise buildings, because you can die." No.509420
>>509414For me, it's you asked for this
No.509422
>>509421what makes you think this is de-escalating?
No.509423
>>509411Germoids did not stand a chance
No.509424
>>509422The lower the number, the bigger the happening.
No.509425
>>509418You've been saying this for weeks, petty-booj, drama-addicted schizo
No.509426
>>509419If this is true, it's actual war. I don't believe it
No.509427
>>509408Oh, you deserve many names.
So Marxist, the prediction of nothingburger of yours failed. The EU ruling class is not uniform with Russia's ruling class.
It's a shame we are talking about lives being taken away to prove you wrong, but yeah, needs to be said loud another one:
pseud.
No.509429
>>509413IMHO 3.5
Clearly more than 4 but still less than 3.
A further escalation could be the fatal push.
No.509430
>>509424ah sorry, I'm a retard
No.509431
>>509426It doesn't have to be true, they just have to put it out there so years down the line Russians can go "but we were justified bro," not that this is different from what any other state would do
>>509429The Russians are waiting for the Ukrainians to escalate, then it's go time
No.509432
>>509428Highest kek I love this webm
Who is the face used in all the Germoid memes?
No.509433
>>509428now i realize the guy who made this is a Legend of the Galactic Heroes fan which is based
No.509434
>>509429>>509421>>509418>2.5>3>3.5Can we first agree on what these numbers even mean?
I guess 1 is nuclear war and 5 means basically nothing happens, but what would the numbers inbetween mean?
No.509436
>>509427Nothing has happened. So what's the problem?
German capitalists want to keep buying gas from Russia and they rule the EU.
No.509437
>>509435>an old meme who symbolises serious discussion and aspergers.So Pseud Poster.
No.509439
>>509435He oozes aspergers
No.509440
>>509439>not even germanWhat the fuck no
No.509441
>>509436This. Unfortunately the Dengist/Duginist Happooners think a bunch of lame artillery barrages that don't kill anyone in a frozen conflict means "Le epic World War 3" is imminent, LMAO.
No.509442
>>5094341-Nuclear war happened or is happening
2-Intense and open conventional conflict between powers of a certain relevance
3-Direct conflict between minor countries (es. Armenia vs Azerbaijan) or between proxies of major powers without the latter involvement
4-Tension heightened but still normal situation; sporadic minor clashes at most
5-All is quiet
This at least is my view on the matter
No.509443
>>509434It's all for fun and is relative. I'd say that the absolute height of happening here is declared war between Russia and Ukraine. Much more likely than that, Russian troops will occupy Donbass, which I would call a 2. 3 is Ukrop invasion of Donbass region, which seems to be beginning.
No.509444
A gypsy Russian homosexual KGB oligarch professor and communist was teaching a class on Joseph Stalin, known genocider
"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Stalin and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Stepan Bandera!"
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Ukrainian speaking Azov Battalion champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of retaking the Crimea and fully supported all military decision made by the NATO stood up and held up a rock.
"Where did this rock come from?"
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied "The Donetsk People's Republic, you stupid Ukrainian"
"Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God gave it to Ukraine. If it was from outside Ukraine and Russian claims, as you say, are true… then it should be a track suit now"
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of The United Russia Party Platform. He stormed out of the room crying those communist crocodile tears.
The students applauded and all registered Right Sector that day and accepted Bandera as their national hero. A Літаюча свиня named "Zaporozhia" flew into the room and perched atop the Ukrainian Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. Державний Гімн України was sung several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a anti-Russian pogrom across the country.
The professor had wished so much that he had a Minsk Agreement to protect himself with, but he had violated it himself!
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
Слава Україні
No.509445
Lufthansa cancelled all flights from to Kiev and Odessa in the meanwhile.
No.509446
>>757309uh, hello based school?
>>509436I heard that they already do buy that gas, but the pipes run through Ukraine, and German government said they are willing to cancel NS2. So Germany is at least pretending to risk losing that gas if the pipes get sabotaged. But I'm not sure about that UA pipeline info.
No.509450
TWO MORE WEEKS
No.509451
https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1495172211002466311According to this dude there are Russian columns 5-10km from Ukraine.
EXTREME caution is advised cause confirming this is nearly impossible.
No.509452
>>509447 (me)
You can hear shelling in the distant background at one point.
No.509453
>>509440That's right, it's
EBIN FINNISH MEME :DDDDD No.509460
I just heard something go off outside my house in bong land
No.509463
>>508909>inb4 like i predicted us sends in token force but does nothingputin conquors eastern ukraine
west secures central ukraine but otherwise does nothing
west is humilated
No.509465
>>509463The whole point was to kill Nordstream 2, idiot. They
want Putin to invade.
No.509466
>>509463In this scenario NATO wins.
They get hundreds of km closer to Russia.
No.509467
>>509466yeah, but the russians get a natural border with the Dniepr
No.509468
>>509463Idk man, there's been a lot of talk from burger politicians about helping arm an insurgency in Ukraine if Putin invades, so it might be an Afghanistan but with Nazis situation.
No.509469
>>509465nordstream two is mostly done at this point, and germany has shown that they want it done
besides delays the fact is economically europe especially germany relies on gas. And usa due to its incompetence wont present an alternative.
mark my words russia germany is going to eventually just go through with it given time
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-it-has-completed-nord-stream-2-construction-2021-09-10/>>509466while at the same time russia creates a buffer state in eastern ukraine
and at the same time humilates nato by showing its uselessness to the point european nations become increasingly disillusioned by nato
And start deciding to pursue its own eu military project which will divide europe further
No.509470
>>509467Massively overrated, it was crossed twice in WW2
No.509471
it wasn't supposed to sizzle bros… fizzle gang lied to us
No.509472
>>509469it isn't approved, yet. And Austria doesn't want it in the sanctions. meaning US might have to escalate.
No.509473
>>509469Then why does Germany refuse to open it?? The German FM literally said that Germany would be willing to pay in economic terms including Nord Stream 2. It "being done" means nothing.
No.509474
Does Russia have enough nukes to destroy both the USA and NATO in Europe?
No.509475
>>509468That's been happening for years and I'd bet it's already increased recently
No.509476
>>509469Wha you describe turns into a win for Russia IF and only IF the NS2 starts working.
Otherwise the only winner will be the US, and everyone else will lose to some degree.
No.509477
>>509469>and germany has shown that they want it done Wrong, Baerbock said the NS-II is dead if Russia invades. This was the greenlight ukraine was waiting.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-table-russia-sanctions-german-foreign-minister-2022-02-18/
<Nord Stream 2 on table for Russia sanctions - German foreign minister<"We, Germany, are prepared to pay a high economic price for this," she said. "That's why all options are on the table for me, also Nord Stream 2." No.509478
>>509477How long will it sit there unused? I bet it wouldn't stay dead forever
No.509479
Y'all remember the attempted "color revolution" in Cuba some time ago? How many threads there was on it and the glow posts saying that Cuba was red fascist and that it was gonna collapse? Everyone forgot about that haven't they? This Ukraine-Russia shit will blow over in a month or two and the US state department will try and agitate for war in another country, my bets are on African countries.
No.509480
>>509479Based and fizzlepilled
No.509481
>>509478Turkey and Israel have already proposed an alternative. I honestly don't think Nord Stream 2 is happening, the German government is way too cucked and the fact that they have declared to let it go even after the energy cost crisis in Germany shows that they don't really care.
No.509482
>>509468its all tough talk and words from politicions to satisfy voters. Realistically the us state knows that they cant do anything, besides send in a token force because ukraine is not afghanistan
>>509473>>509477and tbh im suprised you are trusting the words of politicions. Politicions love to say one thing because it appeals to their population. But words in the end do not change material reality or economic national self interest. Theres a reason why its been completed this far. If there was no chance of it being opened then the work wouldnt have been done so much to the point that if they decide to open it, it will automatically be open due to its completion
mark my words once the ukraine fiasco dies down in 3 to 5 years germany will open the nord steam pipeline
why because material reality truimphs over WORDS
>>509472it isnt approved yet but the fact that its been allowed to be completed as it is says something. If there was no chance for it to be opened then it would not have been completed this far.
No.509483
>>509478>mfw (x1)>>509479Yeah, I do remember the shelling over the coasts of Cuba, and the gas pipelines being blown out.
Also, I do remember the serious threats of a superpower that not too often does threats, but when they do it are serious, by time
not the u.s.>mfw (x2) No.509484
>>509479The frequency and consistency of pro-Western horseshit showing up, though, is rather weird.
Do glowies have nothing better to do?
No.509485
>>509481Pipeline from Turkey or Israel? How many countries is that going through lol. That was part of the reason NS2 is in the sea. Germoids stay losing
No.509486
>>509482>If there was no chance for it to be opened then it would not have been completed this far.The CDU is much more reconcilable towards Russia then the German Greens who are basically US shills. Annalena Baerbock, the current German FM, was literally a member of the parliamentary arm of the Taiwanese Anti-Communist League that included literal Nazis (capital N Nazis, who were active during the Third Reich).
No.509487
>>509485Turkey Bulgaria Macedonia Albania Italy at the very least.
No.509488
>>509485They don't care. Our politicans tell us that we need to tighten the beld and settle for subpar alternatives because of Vladolf Putler.
No.509489
>>509482>and tbh im suprised you are trusting the words of politicionsBecause the chancellor was very delicate into not fixing a position in the matter.
>But words in the end do not change material reality or economic national self interestYeah, but DiaMat says that ideology also modulates materialism, not necessarily they are mutually exclusive. Her words remain unchanged: They want to pay the price. Period. Unless we see the future, we remain for what we are seeing, which is the green light for the Ukrainian invasion and the unequivocal decision of Russia.
If Russia wants a U.N. solution, to shell from their borders or just invade, those are their options.
No.509490
The artillery duels keep raging.
No.509491
>>509488This was decided when Biden said the future of the NS-II some weeks ago when you precisely that Biden threaten your country into a war. Not that we can actually do something to change the landscape by the time.
No.509493
>>509487>>509488Won't they all want a part of the revenue for laying pipeline/using existing line? Jesus, lmao. There are definitely some furious German bourgeois right now
No.509494
>>509492That falseflag caused the mobilization of the DPR and LPR to Russia of their children, women, and elderly, the call to arms of their leader, and a complete mobilization on their part.
If they believe it is not a falseflag, who are you to say it is not?
No.509495
>>509486and the spd who is the larger power in the german government has shown to still have a somewhat netural stance cmpared to the green party.
plus the other party the spd is alligned to is the literal porkie party. And the porkie party is mainly concerned about economic gains
>>509489yes but what automatically causes a nation to act like they do is ultimately economic self interest. a lot of actions historically behind the ideological justifications for an action has mainly economic reasons
And sure they might try to find an alternative due to ideology but the problem is what alternative is there? the only ones that are mentioned are the turkey or israel one that the other anon showed is subpar
once again sure they might delay it but eventually they will face a wall that is material reality. Its like the time tinammin square happened and the westoids got all pissy and sanctiony. And then 3 years later forgot about it made more deals and china ascended into the wto
No.509496
>artillery volleyball
Still a nothing burger until we see some actual fighting, otherwise it's like I said in the other thread, posturing and a game of chicken
No.509497
>>509493It is economic suicide-by-ideology. Expect the German industry to be less competitive because of this economic cuckoldry.
No.509498
>>509493>There are definitely some furious German bourgeois right nowThere are. But this faction of capital does not have a decisive majority and transatlantic finance capital still dominates.
Scholz also put on a fake image when he went to Moscow. He backtracked everything and now we are in a situation where they openly tell us that things will get worse because of this dumb issue.
Every fifth child in Germany lives in poverty, that is also defined by not being able to turn on the heater, causing children to go to bed in sweaters or jackets. We need this fucking pipeline to open up, but the base of the Green Party doesn't care, they are proven to be in the highest income bracket of all parties.
No.509499
>>509496artillery fire is fighting you animal. Artillery is the most devastating tool of war, its usually the most casualties in a conventional war
No.509500
Some more news:
UKRAINIAN ARMY CONTINUES MASSIVE SHELLING OF DONETSK AND LUHANSK
~ The Ukrainian army continuously fires 120mm mortars at the settlements of Zaitseve and Dokuchaevsk in the Donetsk region.
Thousands of shells were fired during the day, mainly at civilian infrastructure and residential areas in the districts of Gorlovka and Lugansk, currently under massive artillery fire by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Dozens have been reported only in the last hour.
A few hours ago, the car of the head of the People’s Militia of the DPR Denis Sinyakov was blown up by Ukrainian saboteurs in the center of Donetsk
At midnight on February 19, a critical element of the Luhansk People’s Republic infrastructure – the node of the Druzhba (Дружба) gas pipeline – exploded. The strong blast shook the whole of Lugansk.
Another explosion in Lugansk thundered in the Kamennobrodsky district. A gas station was blown up there.
A couple of hours before, two transformer substations in the Donetsk Republic were damaged by shelling. The Ukrainian army is deliberately destroying the infrastructure of Donetsk and Lugansk, thereby implementing the idea of the President of Ukraine of Zelensky’s “indomitable” nationality, that all residents of these regions who disagree with Ukrainian Government in Kiev should flee to Russia.
The President of Ukraine, Zelensky: “I think that if you live today in the territory of Donbass, temporarily occupied, and you think that: “Our cause is right, we are Russians, we are going to Russia, it’s a big mistake to stay in Donbass…” For the future of their children and grandchildren… it is already necessary to go and look for a place in Russia. It is right. Because there will be no civilization on this territory without Ukraine. Ukraine will grow upwards, Donbass in the occupied form will not grow anywhere. There will be no happiness for these people.”
At the same time, when there are massive shelling and terrorist attacks in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, US President Biden during a press conference accused the DPR and the LPR of violating the ceasefire and said that there is no evidence that Ukraine is preparing an attack.
From the link:
https://southfront.org/ukrainian-army-continues-massive-shelling-of-donetsk-and-luhansk/CONTAINS A LOT OF VIDEOS TO WATCH if someone likes to upload them here, go ahead.
No.509501
>>509498Stunning stuff. Greens are truly astounding
>>509497Sounds like they are openly admitting it
No.509502
>>509498SPD, CDU represent industrial capital. They will be very affected by rising energy prices. They are the type Chen praises, the type that wanna do business with Russia and China.
Greens and FDP represent finance capital. They don't care about energy prices, just jerking off the USA.
The media is controlled by transatlanticists. The SPD depends on Greens and FDP to rule. So far it is looking like the industrialists will bend to the financiers.
No.509505
I wonder what America is threatening Germany with to make them kill the pipeline…. Would they sanction Germany? I mean I don't think it would be the first time lol
No.509507
>>509506Yes, but only with the majority provided by Green and FDP, which are both reliably transatlantic cucks.
No.509508
>>509468>so it might be an Afghanistan but with Nazis so, afganistan?
No.509509
>>509391 {class traitor}
>>509393 {class traitor}
>>509408 {class traitor}
>>509436 {class traitor}
>>509470 {class traitor}
>>509480 {class traitor}
No.509510
>>509504>China<Shit foreign policy Name a more iconic duo
No.509511
>>509505The German elite is so reliably transatlanticist that they do not need to be threatened. Search for Atlantikbrücke
No.509512
>>509505..?
Nothing. America is the hegemon. They've been since Suez Crisis. You don't fucking bargain with your vassal.
No.509513
>>509510It seems they value the EU market more than any geopolitical advantages aligning with Russia on this might bring.
>muh productive forces No.509514
>>509504lol muh based Sino Russian alliance
No.509515
>>509509I'm loyal to my class, the proletariat, and Marxism-Leninism.
No.509516
>>509454Anti-Revisionists (I am a Maoist and Leninhat is a Hoxhaist) are not a joke, Revisionists like yourself are the joke. This is because all you guys do is take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts by shilling for the Capitalist, Social Imperialist and Social Fascist state of Dengist China and the Capitalist and Imperialist state of Putinist Russia, while Anti-Revisionists (particularly Maoists) are waging Protracted People's Wars in India, the Philippines, Turkey, and Peru.
>>509509Revisionist Dengists like yourself are the Class Traitors, not Leninhat.
No.509517
>>509512IIRC, at first they kinda suggested that they were reluctant to kill it, then Biden said on national TV something like "trust us, they'll do it," then they confidently confirmed that, so it seemed like something changed
No.509518
Is there not more than one leninhat? it's just a flag
No.509519
There should be at least two of them
No.509520
>>509504>>509510>>509514I guess the Dengists are backstabbing the Duginists/Eurasianists/Vlasovites after all, LMFAO. I wonder how the Revisionist "Multipolar" Schizos will cope with this, LOL.
No.509521
>>509510But Russia has said multiple times they don't want to invade 🤔 why is shit if Russia hasn't asked for help for an intervention that they are saying they will not do?
What this posture says
>>509514I thought all the capitalists classes are equally even, all wanting the same, not possible all other ways around, etc, etc. what changed now, pseud?
>>509516>Anti-Revisionists (I am a Maoist and Leninhat is a Hoxhaist) are not a joke, Revisionists like yourself are the jokeI live in a fucking U.S. fully sanctioned country, you dimwit, I could leave my country years ago, live another easier life. Fuck you and fuck you your whole ascendency, and I hope the ghosts of the people affected by the U.S. imperialism touch your anus tonight.
>This is because all you guys do is take sides in Inter-Imperialist Conflicts by shilling for the CapitalistThen fucking start you revolution, don't lecture me about shit you think you know, fucking go do something about. NO? then STFU.
No.509522
>>509516>>509515You both loudly, and repeatedly declare allegiance to ideas and end goals, then immediately condemn anyone for contemplating the actual, material steps necessary to achieve them, then reiterate loyalty to a mythical "silver bullet" solution (AKA Just Dew IT).
This is symptomatic of idealism. Both of you, clearly being reactionaries in the past, still suffer from it - thinking that holding the correct opinion will manifest itself into reality immediately. in reality, what you believe and what you hope for are completely irrelevant.
For this, you will both be harassed, ridiculed, and banned. You
are a joke, just like every idealist is.
No.509523
>>509522While I don't share the aggressive undertones of this post I gotta say it has a point.
There's no need of restating ones own leanings every time.
Also Maoists (especially the Gonzalo kind) have a huge problem of idealism.
No.509524
>>509520now instead of 2 poles, it's 3! the more poles the better!
No.509525
Armchairism or Nuclear Putlerism? Which way, Western man?
No.509526
>imperial core workers striking in a gig economy
Absolutely virgin
>threatening NATO with hypersonic nukes
Absolutely chad
No.509527
>>509526The synthesis is socialism with hypersonic aka Juche
No.509528
>>509522if their beliefs don't matter then them having revisionist beliefs doesn't matter.
No.509529
>>509518leninhat and lear are the same person.
No.509530
>Ctrl+f putler
>40 matches
Well done, everyone 👏
No.509532
>>509530I'm more of a Vlad Tse-Tutin type to be honest
No.509533
>>509532I see you are a Holodomor 2.0 man of culture
No.509534
NEW THREAD >>757660
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NEW THREAD >>757660
No.509535
>>509484With the war in Afghanistan over, ya gotta justify that inflated imperial war budget somehow
No.509536
>>509513China's point of view is unchanged and it will continue to strongly affirm the supremacy of state sovereignty in foreign affairs. This is the a key basis of its Taiwan claim as a legitimate part of "One China", but moreover is one of the foundational ideas of Chinese policy arising from its formation as a modern state, which happened while the country was being invaded and carved apart by the Japanese empire and in the wake of with the forceable dismemberment of Chinese territory and the imposition of sovereignty denying extraterritorial regimes.
That said, China will almost certainly recognize Russia's concerns of NATO expansion and encirclement as legitimate.
No.509537
>>509536>>509520>I guess the Dengists are backstabbing the Duginists/Eurasianists/Vlasovites after all, LMFAO. I wonder how the Revisionist "Multipolar" Schizos will cope with this, LOL.This needs to be said because it is not a "Dengist" point of view. China will not yield or bend on "territorial integrity".
No.509538
>>509526Imagine if those striking workers cooperated with Russia and other anti-NATO states?
You see why there is a hatred towards “Tankies” now, don’t you?
No.509539
>>509516Peru is bad though, Gonzallo is just South American Pol Pot :xD
No.509540
>>509290boomers just can't let go
No.509541
>>509391>leninhat is a britfinally your neverending retardation is given an explanation
No.509542
>>509416if they admit it at all, it will only happen years from now, after the damage has been done, and the public will once again go 'how do we let ourselves get swayed so easily?' before pivoting to frothing at the mouth over China having the gall to exist
No.509543
>>509477>Wrong, Baerbock said the NS-II is dead if Russia invadesan uppity bitch being hysterical in press briefings is not what dictates official german policy
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