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Ukraine conflict: Fighting rages near Kyiv after Russia invasion
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60513116Russian forces approaching Kyiv from northeast & east; Ukrainian Prez pleads for help (LIVE UPDATES)
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/newsblogs/russia-ukraine-war-crisis-news-live-vladimir-putin-volodymyr-zelenskyy-latest-updates/liveblog/89813650.cmsRussia attacks Ukraine live updates: Russian forces close on Kyiv (LIVE UPDATES)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/russian-troops-advancing-closer-to-kyiv-us-says-liveblogLatest updates: Ben Wallace says Russia’s ambition is to invade 'the whole of Ukraine’ but its forces have so far lost around 450 personnel
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2022/feb/25/uk-politics-live-boris-johnson-russia-invasion-ukraine-latest-updatesMany Are Stranded by the War in Ukraine, From Students to Soccer Players, and Reportedly a Hollywood Name
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/many-are-stranded-by-the-war-in-ukraine-from-students-to-soccer-players-and-reportedly-a-hollywood-name/ar-AAUhRKkANALYSIS
Sergey Karaganov: Russia’s new foreign policy, the Putin Doctrine
https://www.rt.com/russia/550271-putin-doctrine-foreign-policy/Why Biden didn’t negotiate seriously with Putin
https://nonzero.substack.com/p/why-biden-didnt-negotiate-seriously–
N.B. to other OPs: refresh the news, don't just copy paste the old OP
N.B. to people screaming "Western sources! reeeeeee!", in times of war like this, you have to get info from wherever you can. it is up to the reader to use critical thinking skills and choose what to believe
>>522953Exactly the same as before, escalating cold war vibes, but with Ukraine with a right wing
Russian puppet instead of NATO. No matter what, the US will declare victory and do the hybrid warfare and sanctions that they were already going to do anyway. And then the US has it's election cycle, a change in turn to the republicans happens and they start antagonizing China via Taiwan and Xinjiang instead.
>>522949>URBAN WARFARE EDITIONBloodthirsty OP.
>>522954Yeah lol.
>>522976Zelensky is nato puppet
Deal w it
>>522998>>523002I've heard two conflicting explanations:
1. Russians saboteurs dressed in Ukrainian uniforms
2. Ukrainian territorial guard/volkssturm mistaking Ukrainian anti-aircraft unit for Russians
It seems to be leaning towards explanation number 2 atm
>>523011Typical liberal brain.
>bad thing is happening here… just like bad thing happening in my home country>if two bad things are happening… someone must be the BLACC people and someone else must be the WHITTUI mean I get where they're coming from with their total lack of perspective and capeshit-tier analysis, but it's still frustrating.
>>523037wrong
Donbass is Harry Potter, Russia is Hogwarts and Putin is Dumbledore
>>523015That's what some sources are saying. Others say it was Russian saboteurs. Frankly I don't know, information warfare is in overdrive. The Strela you see driving over the civilian vehicle is supposed to be Ukrainian.
Ukrainian authorities are handing out ammunition and weapons to random civilians from the back of dump trucks like it's the Battle of Berlin, so friendly fire is a given.
>>522960>What would he say about this today bros?America? Imperialist.
EU? Imperialist.
Russia? Imperialist.
China? You better know its imperialist.
>>523058Untrained, inexperienced civilians being armed with guns and ammunition whilst misinformation is being spread from both sides.
Is it appropriate for me to have a bad feeling about this?
>>523037>>523051>>523052I don't like war and don't want to "pick a side" and patsoc dipshits on Twitter play some role in that, but then I see the lunatic liberals and glowies wearing Angela Davis shirts saying that Ukraine is the George Floyd of countries as CIA-funded mobsters and neo-Nazis hand out guns to children to resist the Russian army. That's not a good feel.
>>523041Putinism is SJWism with nukes is a good one lol
>>523058History repeats itself. First as a tragedy, then a farce.
>>523037Why are libs so fucking cringe bros.
>>523028Wonder if the Russian troops in Transnistria are ever going to do anything
>>523063>patsoc dipshits on Twitterfound your problem. In the real world, the liberal narrative is the only one that exists, and you come across as a schizo NEET for equivocating the two worldviews.
I was listening to the CBC on radio 1 yesterday and they were going on about how Putler is creating a new empire, hilarious stuff
>Zelensky is in a bunkerlmao
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1497165145004515328Some cracker even posted a video of Downdalls Hitler rant scene lmao
>>523081>found your problem. In the real world, the liberal narrative is the only one that exists, and you come across as a schizo NEET for equivocating the two worldviews. Yeah, you're 100% right about that. Thanks for putting it into perspective. I was listening to the radio in the car last night and they had the BBC World Service going and it was all about the heroes of Snake Island.
>>523083Her image has been recuperated. I don't think that's really her fault though. They do the same stuff to Fred Hampton and Huey P. Newton these days.
>>523084More civilians waxed by Volkssturm?
>>523079>Angela Davis I checked on Wikipedia and she is from the CPUSA (did not appear to support Fosder) and follow Herbert Marcuse so not that great to me.
For black liberationist authors I especially like Malcolm X's speech about "who are you".
>>523058>the only faggots that will come are schizos.>schizos will start shooting on other civilians because "he is a glowie". I bet the faggot that talks in the video is a russian that was in some russian prison.
He literally says "defend your country ukraine".
>>5230103. Russian saboteurs attacking ukrainian AA behind the enemy lines
what a complete shitshow this turns out to be
>>522949Remember when all the Russian imperialist shills on this site were saying this would never happen and it was all CIA propaganda?
Reminder that online schizo-posting Marxist-Leninists are utter morons and their geopolitical analysis is literally ALWAYS wrong.
UP UKRAINE!
>>523139It's over, ukrops are already marching on Moscow.
ANY SECOND NOW.
>>523135Okay and ? You obviously think the Ukrainian government is angelic and fair.
Wake up. They are not.
Both sides are bad (NATO/America and Russia). Plans within plans. Look closer.
>>523135Russia is not conquering ukraine tho.
Russia is just destroying outdated military equipment sent by americans and europeans to ukraine for that sole purpose (i.e. to destroy it for free).
And russia is doing it because the separatists asked them to help them in the war of liberation against the occupied territories of donetsk and lugansk.
No le ebin freedom war for you, sorry.
>>523160>B-b-b-bro, they're not c-c-conquering Ukraine, what do you mean they're zerg rushing from every direction and heading straight to Kyiv to depose the Ukrainian government? God you are such a moron that even entertaining the level of delusion of grandeur you have is an assault on my soul (you clearly don't have one because you're an imperialist boot licker).
Putin is going straight to hell. He'll meet George Bush there when both die. Get a grip.
>>523135>Remember when all the Russian imperialist shills on this site were saying this would never happen and it was all CIA propaganda?Some of these idiots still think that Russia hasn't invaded yet and all this shit is just "peace keeping".
>UP UKRAINE!Up yours. Fuck the neoliberal order.
>>52313924 hours of war - protracted war
lmao
>>523161It seems there are a bunch of moronic western "useful idiots" on here who still somehow think its not a full invasion even though it is.
I get a lot of dumb faggots have to save face on this because for weeks they screeched about how this is just like WMD's and 2003, its all manufacturing consent, only for this to happen and for them to realize its the other way around; it was Russia manufacturing consent and they've been duped by a right wing imperialist oligarchy.
Really, its pathetic. You people are pathetic. Russia has the blood of innocent children on its hands. Death to Moscow. The CORRECT position for Russian Marxists in this scenario is REVOLUTIONARY DEFEATISM. They must wish to lose this imperialist war and hope that this loss inspires malcontent in the Russian public to inspire a deposition of the Putinist right-wing oligarchy.
>>523171Because read Lenin's imperialism book for more information.
But the closer reason is because (my opinion):
1) Russian Tsar no likely NATO putting missles in his backyard
2) Ukrainian government no likey Donbass et al. region and want to do ethnic cleansing or some shit
3) Ukraine cut off some water supply or dam to Crimea costing unimaginably high money each year
>>523171Keep Ukraine out of NATO, force them to only trade weaponry with Russians. Gotta justify that over-inflated military budget somehow.
And give the rest of their respective oblasts to the separatist republics. It's Military-Industrial Complex with Ethno-Nationalist Characteristics
>>523182wait what
i thought china is good
>>523171Because Putin is an anti-socialist Russian nationalist-revanchist; listen to his speech before the invasion, he thinks Lenin was a mistake and a blunderer, that giving national independence to the SSR's was a mistake, that the death of the Russian Empire was a mistake.
He wants Russia to be a large empire again; he wants to reclaim "rightful" Russian clay in Eastern Europe, the Caucasus, the Baltics.
On top of that, Russia has historically needed a warm water port to conduct trade and naval operations, Crimea was the best option for that, but the problem was there was no overland route to the Crimean Peninsula without taking more land or all of Ukraine.
Russia is invading for economic and nationalistic reasons (imperialism). Only, Putin, in his infinite nationalistic stupidity, has only galvanized and legitimized NATO in the eyes of the world with his actions. He has caused even CHINA to impose sanctions on him, possibly killing the potentiality of a future Chinese-Russian pact.
He has completely screwed himself in his imperialistic stupidity.
>>523182Lol
>>523214Tell that to their invasion of Vietnam under the behest of fucking Jimmy Carter.
>>523202Then why did everyone make a big fuss over Putin recognizing the DPR and LPR?
>>523216>soon Ukraine would have been able to defend itself and make any Russian demands irrelevantHow?
>>523219This is what I've been saying.
>>523182>Yuan-denominated letters of credit are still available.More like they are trying to circumvent sanctions by US by removing dollar involvement.
Petroyuan in the future?
>>523207A revanchist is a type of hyper-nationalist that wants to reclaim land they think rightfully belongs to their nation, more often than not falsely.
Hitler, for instance, was a revanchist because he wanted to reclaim the land Germany lost in WW1 but also wanted to expand past that into what he saw as historical "germanic lands"
>>523182THE WESTERN-CHINESE ALLIANCE REBORN
THE SINO-SOVIET SPLIT REBORN
STANDING ALL IN SOLIDARITY AGAINST MAD CRAZY ROOSHA
CHINESE ECONOMIC DOMINATION OF AUSSIELAND RECOMENCING
NOW
>>523196>Russia is invading for economic and nationalistic reasons (imperialism). Only, Putin, in his infinite nationalistic stupidity, has only galvanized and legitimized NATO in the eyes of the world with his actions. Yes but it was NATO that forced Russia's hand. Otherwise they'd been happy to posture around the border and remind Ukranoids that joining NATO is not acceptable.
But hey, say that Venezuela, Cuba and Mexico start saying they intend to join the CIS (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Independent_States) and want to deploy Russian missile defenses along becoming a general military base for the encirclement and containment of the US… Not only this wouldn't be allowed to happen, if any of those countries tried their luck, especially Cuba, they'd be turned into a smoking ruin by the US army.
And none of those countries have been couped by Russia and replaced by puppet governments, unlike Ukraine, so at least you could make the argument that they speak for themselves, again unlike the Ukranian government.
>>523239This isn't an idealistic analysis. This is literally what Putin said in his speech before the invasion. Obviously he didn't phrase it like I did, but these are all things he said;
> Russian Empire good, USSR bad> Ukraine isn't a real country and belongs to Russia> Giving independence to ethnicities under the Russian Empire in USSR times was a mistake> We must reclaim these countriesAnd the warm water port thing is a well know fact of Russian geopolitics.
livestream feeds of kyiv
>>523245the mad lads
>>523256Hey, don't beat yourself up too bad. Everyone can get duped and propagandized. It happens to the best of us.
Just know that now the best position for Marxists, especially Russian Marxists to take, is revolutionary defeatism; to hope Putin loses and his right wing capitalist oligarchy crumbles under his feet via a popular uprising of Russian people.
RUSSIAN REVOLUTION 2 BOOGALOO
>>523262as long as Russia doesn't lose and doesn't become large DPRK without the socialism because of sanctions
>>523264the bpd era
>>523182lmfao
Fucking wild card.
>>523278I don't argue against any of your points cause I am not a debatebro
and don't believe you are worth the time
>>523279China does more socialism in a day than everyone does in a year.
Cope and seethe.
>>523249might even be a preemptive move if they expect more sanctions from the West
>>523274cope, we love china!
>>523301FUCK RUSSIA
FUCK UKRAINE
FUCK AMERICA
FUCK FAGGOTS
FUCK UYGHURS
FUCK TRANSHUMANISTS
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
FUCK (YOU)
>>523298There’s three kind of people: Bolshevik romantics, socdem pragmatists, and red liberals in the party. Bringing back planned economy is not popular but stuff like bringing free healthcare and education are very mainstream.
>>523302Nah, he supported the Khmer Rouge and was a retard. I’m a classical revisionist Khrushchevite.
>>523357Sanctions are literally imperialism, what has Cuba ever done to be sanctioned? and Venezuela?
The fact that even a sanctioned Russia survives should be motivation enough for every pariah country to just say "fuck it" and keep going even when sanctioned.
All of you are wrong, here's the correct take
>The only reason this is happening is because the USSR was illegally dissolved against the will of it's people. The CPSU is the legitimate government of both the illegally occupied Ukranian SSR and the illegally occupied Russian SFSR. It was never defeated in a free or fair election, but was overthrown in a CIA and IMF backed bandit coup.
>Putin represents those same bandits who destroyed the greatest workers' state that has ever existed, immiserated it's people, looted their society and cast them into darkness and warfare where previously there was peace and prosperity. Soviet brothers are now forced to kill each other when they once lived in harmony. This does not, of course, mean that we should side with the IMF backed Ukranian fascists and liberals, as they represent nothing more than another faction of bandits.
>What we should support, instead, is the withdrawl of BOTH illegal occupation forces and a return of the country to it's legitimate government, which is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
>>523380Soviet Era planes that were not maintained, 0 navy after Russia took it in 2014 (almost nothing anyways), and it seems like they didn't mobilize the planes after Putin declared war
Western support is like, javelins
>>523375There is nothing that be done with the NY Fed says it's not processing dollar transactions w/ Russia. You can't avoid dollar sanctions when the US is enforcing them because the US is the one who decides if anything can be traded in dollars.
This is just, unironically, anti-Russia propaganda.
>>523206China is not going to be opportunistic. In fact "opportunism" is a dirty word in China, whose history is marked with terrible mistakes made by "left-wing opportunism" and "right-wing opportunism".
China will remain neutral on Russia, almost certainly. It will comply with dollar sanctions when it has to. It will not engage in a voluntary sanctions regimes.
>>523398mfw my imperialist power sends me to die fighting another imperialist power
also this
>>523416 >>523402Don’t more people just die fighting over Donbass forever?
It just makes way more sense to takeover the region and get it over with.
Otherwise, diplomatically you have the same problem repeating itself for years. I think this just tears the bandaid off.
>>523327>free healthcare and education are very mainstreamWait, healthcare and education aren't free in Vietnam? I knew they weren't in China but damn I thought they were in Vietnam.
Why does it seem like every socialist state except Cuba is socialist in name only.
>>523426>He could have recognized Donbass and stationed troops therehe did though
>I really don't see how this could end without seriously strengthening pro-NATO forces in other non-aligned countries and ultranationalists in Ukrainewho cares? the batlic countries rushed to join nato after Crimea, Putin doesn't seem to care.
>Now Russia has only further alienated the rest of the world, is under more sanctions, and has alienated their most important ally (China). Russia new sanctions were coming and decided it was worth it.
Kicking them out of SWIFT would be worse and nato didn't even go that far so like all sanctions they'll go away when people forget.
also its doubtful what the Chinese response actually is right now
>And what have they gained? most of Ukraine obviously lol
>At best they might keep Ukraine out of NATO, but I don't really see how that will happen without Russia occupying the countryhe could just take control of Ukraine and import Russians like the USSR did.
>>523182https://www.163.com/dy/article/DRPAJ7IV05370VC1.html(article from 2018)
Vladimir Danilov, head of the Central Bank of Russia's representative office in China, said recently that a number of entrepreneurs engaged in trade between Russia and China have complained to him that some Chinese banks have started refusing to provide financial services to Russian clients. The reason for this is the sanctions currently imposed on Russia by the United States and the European Union.
Most of the banks that refuse to provide services to Russian clients are Chinese commercial banks. When Russian customers (who are also users of Russian banks) need payment services from banks, these commercial banks often refuse to provide them on the grounds that sanctions are being imposed on Russia by the United States and the European Union.
Sanctions have had an impact on the lives of Russian citizens
In fact, the Russian clients of these Chinese commercial banks are not connected with the sanctions, and all financial restrictions are imposed only on those organizations or individuals who are on the US and European sanctions lists. The Russian side believes that the overreaction of some Chinese financial institutions stems mainly from the fact that Russia did not provide a detailed interpretation of the U.S.-European sanctions to third countries.
To solve this problem, Vladimir Danilov suggested that explanations to Chinese commercial banks should be intensified so that Chinese financial institutions understand the actual content of the current sanctions imposed by the U.S. and Europe against Russia.
In recent years, with the support of both governments, Russian-Chinese exchanges and cooperation in the financial sphere have gained steady development. A number of Chinese banks have opened branches in Russia, and China's Alipay has become one of the recognized payment systems in Russia. The Central Bank of Russia has also set up its first representative office abroad in Beijing, which fully demonstrates the importance it attaches to China.
In terms of feedback from the Russian financial community, Russians are now more appreciative of financial cooperation between Russia and China, which they see as meeting the current business needs of companies. Although the majority of Russian-Chinese trade transactions are still conducted in US dollars, the number of transactions in national currencies is gradually increasing.
Kostin suggested to increase cooperation with the Chinese side
Not long ago, Andrey Koskin, Chairman of the Board of Directors of the Russian Foreign Trade Bank, proposed four initiatives to abandon the US dollar and make a complete switch to the ruble or the yuan. After the proposal was made, it caused hot comments in Russian financial circles. Several high-ranking officials of the State Duma have expressed their support for the Kostin plan, but the Kremlin has not expressed its opinion so far.
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Lmao Chinese banks already "sanctioned" (aka refused to provide services to) Russians back in 2018, they are proabably trying to save their own asses.
The CPC will probably continue to work with the Russian side more discretely.
>In other newshttps://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1725731082895030346&wfr=spider&for=pcThe hegemony of the dollar has forced many countries to use the dollar as a foreign exchange reserve, but the U.S. arbitrarily adjusts its monetary policy out of its own interests and harvests the fruits of world labor. This has caused other countries to lose trust in the U.S. government and to start boycotting the U.S. dollar, including China and Russia.
With the recent intensification of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, busy Russia has not forgotten to go to the U.S. dollar while dealing with border operations. on Feb. 25, Russian media reported that Gazprom Neft said that in China, Russian airlines will use RMB mutual settlement to refuel, making it the first Russian company in China to fully use RMB mutual settlement. At the end of this year, the company also intends to allow Chinese airlines to use ruble settlement for refueling at Russian airports.
This is a joint effort of Russia and China to move away from the US dollar, and it is hoped that this project will facilitate the joint economic development of the two countries, increase the volume of air traffic between the two countries, and increase the volume of trade between them. It is also a new development in the process of resisting the hegemony of the dollar in both countries.
In addition, according to RIA Novosti, on February 25, the EU will not sell any more aircraft and related equipment to Russia. This means that Russian airlines will have to buy aircraft and other related equipment from other countries for their import needs. If the U.S. takes the same measures, perhaps Russia will purchase aircraft and equipment from China as well.
And Russian authorities also said today that Russia will consider establishing new partnerships with Asian countries due to increasing Western trade restrictions on Russia. It seems that there may be a new chapter in the trade between China and Russia.
>>523441>and just ranYeah there is going to be a lot more of that. The Ukranian nato puppets are bent on throwing as many bodies as possible into the carnage, just to please their transatlantic owners. Every Ukranian solider should just desert, there is literally no chance of them winning and their only role in this war is to feed their blood into the US's foreign policy PR fund.
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-news-02-24-22-intl/h_4309a4916d57670f85519210a07fb2c9Ukrainian males aged 18-60 are banned from leaving the country, Zelensky says in new declaration
>Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has ordered a general military mobilization.
>In a declaration signed late Thursday, Zelensky said that "in order to ensure the defense of the state, maintaining combat and mobilization readiness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations," a broad-based mobilization was ordered, including in the capital, Kyiv and all Ukraine's major cities.
>"Mobilization shall be carried out within 90 days from the date of entry into force of this Decree," the announcement said.>The mobilization also instructed "the Security Service of Ukraine to take counterintelligence measures during the general mobilization."<It ordered the "conscription of conscripts, reservists for military service, their delivery to military units and institutions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" and other state security services.
<At the same time, Ukraine has banned all-male citizens 18-60 years old from leaving the country, according to the State Border Guard Service.He's literally just seeking to increase the casualties now. The more Ukranians that die, the better it will look for daddy Wshington.
>>523445yep, the carnage I mentioned
>>523480This is what we mean when we say Ukraine is nationalist af. Zelly would have been deposed if he was less nationalist. They hated it when he tried to enact Minsk. Now it's fine to feed civilians guns instead of capitulate
>>523486maybe they are trying to leave the area?
maybe they are rushing someone who is injured to a hospital?
maybe they are out of weed and they try to meet up with their dealer?
many possible reasons, really
>>523487MSNBC was saying this last night too
also
>General sense from what the US is seeing is Russia is not moving as fast on Kyiv as expected. >>523497They had plenty of time to leave before the tanks started shooting at each other
RIP to the car guy obviously but still
>>523456>he could just take control of Ukraine and import Russians like the USSR didThe USSR didn't "import" Russians, they just moved there because it was part of a single country. What you're describing would be a form of colonialism.
>the batlic countries rushed to join nato after Crimea, Putin doesn't seem to careIsn't the entire point of this to counter NATO encirclement of Russia? Even if he somehow successfully keeps Ukraine out in perpetuity, he's dramatically increased thr chances of countries like Finland and Sweden joining.
>Russia new sanctions were coming and decided it was worth it.I really fail to see how.
>most of Ukraine obviously lolAnd what is he going to do with it? He's already said that he won't occupy it. The Donbass Republics will probably gain some territory, but the vast majority of the country will remain under the control of Kiev, and it would he very difficult to maintain a pro-Russian government there without an occupation.
>>523538Now that you've finished your bath, it is.
Thank you anon.
>>523551These idiots refuse to give up
>>523557They say that because they're muslims, but they might hate Nazis more
>>523457Holy shit why are Ukrainians so bad at driving these things? I swear every single incident of someone driving like a fucking idiot is Ukrainian. This car crush was caused by the driver being distracted by another crash of a Ukrainian truck driver smashing into a random car and then getting lit up (
>>522998 )
Vid related these guys can't drive for shit
>>523484>On the other hand that driver was pretty based for driving that way thinking he was playing GTA.lmfao
>>523542It's amazing how these people are just listening to music on spotify or whatever while sreaming that, almost like a tourist attraction.
Capitalism has even warped how people experience a war on the ground.
>>523569what is that?
>>523570>He is literally throwing it all awayhe aint. there wont be lasting repercussians for this aside from the economic downturn, but russias economy was already in the shitter, so who cares?
>>523594Both were done by Ukrainians
First one was an accident and second one was the clueless civilians Zelensky is handing out assault rifles to mistaking a random green car for Russians
>>523604They probably left out the
>… you motherfuckers.As well as the litany of reassurances for his and his government's safety and continuation that he was probably informally given and later betrayed on.
>>523629BLOOD FOR THE FREEDOM GODSKULLS FOR THE FREEDOM THRONE >>523610first of all many Russian vehicles have a Z on them. Second of all - when you hand out weapons to 10k Kiev civilians nobody knows whos on whos side anymore - which is why a civil goverment never does those things. A poster before already argued that even Hitler Volkssturm was more organized, people spoke different languages and had wildly different uniforms.
All Twitter can do is cope cause on the field it doesnt look very good. I mean look at liveuamap or what that link was, or your local newspaper.
>>523630Time to repost this gem
>St. Petersburg (ND). Vladimir Putin, 2nd Mayor of St. Petersburg and Chairman of the Committee for External Relations of the city of six million, has made it clear to German business representatives that a military dictatorship along the lines of the Chilean model would be the desirable solution to Russia's current political problems. This was reported by WDR in the TV feature "Aufbruch nach Osten" (Monday, January 3, 1994, WEST 3 from 9:15 to 9:45 p.m.).
>Putin answered questions from representatives of BASF, Dresdner Bank, Alcatel and others who met in the former GDR Consulate General in St. Petersburg. Putin distinguished between "necessary" and "criminal" violence. He said that political violence is criminal if it is aimed at eliminating market-economy conditions, and "necessary" if it promotes or protects private capital investments. He, Putin, expressly approved of possible preparations by Yeltsin and the military to bring about a Pinochet-style dictatorship in view of the difficult private economic path. Putin's remarks were received with friendly applause both by the German company representatives and by the deputy German consul general who was present. >>523528>The USSR didn't "import" Russians,>they just moved therelol ok you're getting upset over semantics
>Isn't the entire point of this to counter NATO encirclement of Russia? was that a statement from Russia? there could be many reasons why Russia would invade Ukraine
>Even if he somehow successfully keeps Ukraine out in perpetuity, he's dramatically increased thr chances of countries like Finland and Sweden joininglike what happened when Crimea went down
>I really fail to see how.are you under the impression Russia would invade Ukraine and be surprised to be sanctioned? Sanctions are pretty much to go to finger wag in the current year.
>And what is he going to do with it? does it matter?
Probably the same thing the USSR and Russian Empire and Polish Empire did with it
>He's already said that he won't occupy itof course not the situation would look really bad if he didn't say that
>The Donbass Republics will probably gain some territorylike Crimea
>but the vast majority of the country will remain under the control of Kiev, and it would he very difficult to maintain a pro-Russian government there without an occupation.doubt
>>523647Really? That's what you notice? The Weekend song?
There's smoke and wreckage in that video
>>523657no
i don't believe the sanctions are real
>>523656Has this kind of thing happened before?
Any other state done this
>>523643Lol. Bringing
stupid historical parallels to the whole new level
>>523620I think if there's a stereotypical "tankie," it's someone like Putin (or his fans like Maupin) who ventriloquize Soviet aesthetics and nostalgia to push a chauvinist national project. That's an accusation that gets thrown at nostalgics in the former Soviet republics frequently, and at communists in the west, but when polled former Soviet citizens say they miss the economic system more than being part of an "empire."
Putin wants to have his cake and eat it too, which will never work. KPRF have become more emboldened in their opposition lately because state repression has shown they have nothing to lose.
>>523612>>523617I think this also helps explain a Chinese perspective I've encountered. There was an emperor in the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms era whose nickname was the "Emperor of Opera." Instead of focusing on the governance and politics of the country, he was more interested in being an actor in classic Chinese operas. Thus, he ended up a joke and was killed in a rebellion. Due to Confucianism, bad governance is the most politically incorrect thing in Chinese political philosophy, like dictatorship in American political philosophy. So from this perspective, Ukraine situation is mainly due to its own wrongdoing for having a clown running the country who wanted to become cannon fodder for the anti-Russia coalition.
Secondly, Uncle Sam is doing the same in Asia to encircle the PRC through setting up the stage and acting like a drama queen, maintaining military bases, drills, backing up regional powers, sponsoring separatists and terrorist rebels, stopping the country from unifying with Taiwan, and so forth. So, the Chinese can understand how the Russians feel when NATO is approaching Moscow, while the U.S., after having been given a free pass, messes around the world like a fuckboy, plays divide and conquer, "cares" about the affairs of other countries more than the locals do like a big fat Karen, gives "lectures" about values from a particular set of values, and even cuckolds his own little brothers in Europe and Asia. So if Ukraine wants to be a part of this, good luck and God bless and Godspeed, but don't expect the Chinese to help them.
>>523690so they sucked
>>523691shit planning, they didnt have to fight the war that way
gtfo /pol/acks
>>523651> was that a statement from RussiaHe’s right. That was one of the bigger issues.
>Here is the explanation of the diplomatic breakdown. Basically, the rights for countries to democratically choose to join NATO are supposed to be tempered by the security concerns created for nearby countries by the act of joining NATO. This just means that countries shouldn't be able to join NATO just to gang up on a non-NATO country, even if their precious democratic processes have decided to do so. These conditions for joining NATO have been internationally agreed on, but NATO is not only ignoring these conditions in their communications, it is citing older agreements that had none of these conditions. It is trying to bury the more recent agreements and ignore those conditions and focus on the country's right to join if they have an acceptable democracy and choose to. (Ukraine btw does not have real democracy and probably wouldn't be a part of NATO for decades anyways.)
>Q: Has Moscow forwarded to the U.S. side the answers to their written materials sent in connection with Russia's proposals on security guarantees? What was the subject of today's phone conversation with E. Blinken? What contacts are you planning to have in that regard?
>Sergey Lavrov: Today we heard some reports from the State Department saying that there was supposedly a response from Moscow to the document the Americans sent in response to our initial offer on security guarantees in Europe.
>There is a misunderstanding here. When we received the U.S. reaction about a week ago, we started studying it. It was immediately clear that the Americans preferred to concentrate on discussing the important, but secondary issues in their own way: whether it was impossible to agree on mutual non-deployment of striking weapons, including intermediate-range and shorter-range land-based missiles, which were previously covered by the New START Treaty, which the US destroyed, transparency in exercises, measures to prevent unforeseen incidents between combat planes and ships, and other such confidence-building steps.
>On the key issue that prompted us to take initiatives with the United States and the North Atlantic alliance, the response has been negative. I am referring to our demand that everyone implement in good faith the OSCE's 1999 Istanbul and 2010 Astana agreements on the indivisibility of security. These agreements stipulate not only freedom of choice of alliances, but also condition this freedom on the need to avoid any steps that would strengthen the security of any state at the expense of the security of others. On this key issue we have seen in the reactions of both the United States and NATO an extremely negative attitude. They are focusing solely on the principle of freedom of choice of alliances, completely ignoring the condition that was agreed at the highest level on the inadmissibility of infringing on the security of other states in doing so.
>We are also concerned that other NATO countries, for example France, recently said through its Foreign Minister that they insist on the need to ensure security on the basis of the documents, which preceded the Istanbul Charter and the Astana Declaration. At the same time it cites the document of the Paris OSCE summit of 1990, in which there was no requirement not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others. In other words, our Western colleagues are simply trying not even to ignore this key principle of international law agreed on in the Euro-Atlantic area, but to consign it to oblivion. To prevent this from happening, when we received the reaction from Washington to our initial proposals, I described in detail what we are now talking about in a separate message and sent it to all the foreign ministers of OSCE states and a number of other states so that they knew our position.
>Today I have confirmed to Secretary of State Blinken that we will not allow the topic to be muddled. We will insist on an honest talk and explanation why the West does not want to fulfill its obligations or only selectively and in its favor. Mr. Blinken agreed there is something to talk about. Let's see how things go. At this stage, we are completing the interagency coordination of proposals on other issues that we have received from the United States. We will report them to our president.https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1796663/ >>523699this looks like
>>523638 first vid
>>523700they were bad cause they lost
the greatest military on earth were either the macedonians under alexander or the mongols under genghis khan bc they actually managed to win their wars.
>>523706relative to their time periods
>>523711>>523710excellent analyses
>>523731good
fuck social media
>>523101>>go to the truck>>grab a free assault rifle and shotgun>>just go home and keep them>>profitheres the catch
they dont show the part were they dont let you go home anymore and send you to guard some oligarchs mansion while hes packing his things
>>522998why even at this moment there are still people doing their normal activities? like driving around with a foreign tank in the opposite direction of the road as usual.
If it were my country and I could not get out of the city, I simply do not leave my house, even less if already are military vehicles on the streets like tanks that do not stop at the red light.
>>523182>>523187>>523190>>523192>>523197>>523199>>523206>>523226>>523238>>523243>>523242>>523249>>523267>>523273>>523282>>523286>>523291>>523383>>523412>>523424>>523429>>523431>>523459>>523461>>523473>>523657>US state controlled media>two people familiar with the matter said China bad to Russia>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>uhh ohh fellow leftist I am feeling so upset betrayed and confused about this!>…Yeah like U.S. media said China betrayed Russia when China told NATO to fuck off
You glow
>>523731unironically based
>>523746>tech illiterate countriesWhat? Their porkies are fine with US gatekrrping their information, and their peoples are as ignorant of the process as all other peoples.
>>523742Mens liberation when
>>522959I wish Hoxha lived to stop the revisionists
>>523221>>523224they gona kill europe but only the poors europeans
Disconnecting them is only the decision of the us, europe and other countries have no say in this, they are not going to suffer the consequences and the priority for the us is to maintain confidence in the dollar.
taking russia out of the system will help them.
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