Urgent! Joint Statement of Communist and Workers’ Parties, No to the imperialist war in Ukraine!http://www.solidnet.org/article/Urgent-Joint-Statement-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-No-to-the-imperialist-war-in-Ukraine/
>The Communist and Workers’ Parties signing this Joint Statement are opposed to the imperialist conflict in Ukraine, which constitutes one of the consequences of the tragic situation for the peoples shaped after the overthrow of socialism and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Both the bourgeois and the opportunist forces, which for years have fought against the USSR and recently celebrated the 30th anniversary of its dissolution, silencing the fact that the restoration of capitalism meant the dismantling of historic workers’ and people’s achievements and brought the peoples of the USSR back to the era of class exploitation and imperialist wars, are completely exposed.
>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country. These pursuits are concealed by imperialist powers, which are in conflict promoting their own pretexts such as “defending democracy”, “self-defence”, and one’s right to “choose their alliances”, the compliance with the UN or OSCE principles, or supposedly “fascism”, while deliberately detaching fascism from the capitalist system that gives rise to and utilizes it.
>We denounce the activity of fascist and nationalist forces in Ukraine, anti-communism and the persecution of communists, the discrimination against the Russian-speaking population, the armed attacks of the Ukrainian government against the people in Donbas. We condemn the utilization of reactionary political forces of Ukraine, including fascist groups, by the Euro-Atlantic powers for the implementation of their plans. In addition, the anti-communist rhetoric against Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union to which the Russian leadership resorts to justify its own strategic plans in the region, is unacceptable. However, nothing can tarnish the enormous contribution of socialism in the Soviet Union, which was a multinational union of equal Socialist Republics.
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies. We express our solidarity with the communists and the peoples of Russia and Ukraine and we stand on their side to strengthen the struggle against nationalism, which is fostered by each bourgeoisie. The peoples of both countries, who lived in peace and jointly thrived in the framework of the USSR, as well as all other peoples have no interest in siding with one or another imperialist or alliance that serves the interests of the monopolies.
>We highlight that the illusions fostered by bourgeois forces claiming that there could be a “better security architecture” in Europe by EU intervention, NATO “without military plans and aggressive weapon systems in its territory”, a “pro-peace EU”, or a “peaceful multipolar world”, etc are highly dangerous. All these assumptions have nothing to do with reality and are misleading for the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist struggle, seeking to cultivate the perception that “peaceful imperialism” may exist. However, the truth is that NATO and the EU, like any capitalist transnational union, are predatory alliances with a deeply reactionary nature that cannot become pro-people and will continue to act against workers’ and people’s rights and the peoples; that capitalism goes hand in hand with imperialist wars.
>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.
>The interest of the working class and the popular strata requires us to strengthen the class criterion for analyzing the developments, to chart our own independent path against monopolies and bourgeois classes, for the overthrow of capitalism, for the strengthening of the class struggle against imperialist war, for socialism, which remains as timely and necessary as ever.1. Algerian Party for Democracy and Socialism
2. Communist Party of Azerbaijan
3. Party of Labour of Austria
4. Communist Party of Bangladesh
5. Communist Party of Belgium
6. Communist Party in Denmark
7. Communist Party of El Salvador
8. Communist Party of Finland
9. Communist Party of Greece
10. Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
11. Workers Party of Ireland
12. Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
13. Socialist Party of Latvia
14. Communist Party of Mexico
15. New Communist Party of the Netherlands
16. Communist Party of Norway
17. Palestinian Communist Party
18. Communist Party of Pakistan
19. Paraguayan Communist Party
20. Peruvian Communist Party
21. Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
22. Communist Party of Poland
23. Romanian Socialist Party
24. South African Communist Party
25. Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
26. Sudanese Communist Party
27. Communist Party of Swaziland
28. Communist Party of Sweden
29. Syrian Communist Party
30. Communist Party of Turkey
31. Union of Communists of Ukraine
>>542051The whole fucking world is daring NATO to go in right now.
Instead of peace marches, it is pro war marches.
>>542038Trash statement. Already debunked.
Also filled with trash parties. So "look at all these signatures" means nothing.
>>542033I watched this retarded shit and if this guys a Marxist he's a whining defeatist trot
Literally no analyst of note though the op would be done in 96 hours
Thesaker and Andrei Martyanov said it would take at least a week and Zelensky was letting criminals out of prison on day 4 (what all defeated regimes do)
Compare that dogshit "analysis" to The Durans analysis whereby
>If Russia wins it's the end of NATO>Sanctions will bite to begin with but the West has now gone to the top of the rung of sanctions. Theres nothing more they can do. In essence Russia is now free from the international system (IE.imperialism)>If Russia runs into any serious difficulty China will open up a lifeline to stabilise them >If Russia wins it's the end of "globalisation"(IE. Cosmopolitan global imperialist dictatorship) >If Russia holds out past the initial sanctions it can start to hold back precious metals, wheat and fertilisers from the international market causing inflation in imperialist core>Once the Russian Chinese alternative payment system to Swift is up and running it's the end of US dollar as global reserve currency. US can no longer print themselves to prosperity like they have done https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.htmlThe Russian attack on Ukraine has prompted a flurry of activity among far-right European militia leaders, who have taken to the internet to raise funds, recruit fighters and plan travel to the front lines to confront the country’s invaders, according to a research group.
In recent days, militia leaders in France, Finland and Ukraine have posted declarations urging their supporters to join in the fight to defend Ukraine against a Russian invasion. The posts have been located and translated by the SITE Intelligence Group, a private organization that specializes in tracking extremist groups.
Rita Katz, the director of SITE, said that numerous far-right white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups throughout Europe and North America had expressed an outpouring of support for Ukraine, including by seeking to join paramilitary units in battling Russia.
The motivation to travel to Ukraine, she said, was to gain combat training. It was also ideologically-driven, she added, since these far right groups viewed the fight against Russia as a fight against communism, clinging to World War II historical narratives, and associating modern-day Russia and its president, Vladimir V. Putin, with the former Soviet Union.
“Instability in Ukraine offers white supremacy extremists the same training opportunities that instability in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria has offered jihadist militants for years,” said Ali Soufan, who heads The Soufan Group, which has been documenting for several years how the conflict in eastern Ukraine has emerged as an international hub of white supremacy.
“Civil wars and insurgencies frequently draw in outside volunteers; some may initially join for humanitarian purposes but still exacerbate and prolong the conflict and violence,” he said in a statement to the Times.
The apparent mobilization of far-right groups could be problematic for the Ukrainian government, playing into Mr. Putin’s depiction of Ukraine as a fascist country, and his false claim to be waging war against Nazis who control the government in Kyiv. In reality, Ukraine has a democratically elected government and its president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is Jewish.
Some of the activity appears to be centered on the Azov Battalion, a unit of the Ukrainian National Guard that has drawn far-right fighters from around the world, SITE said. That group came together following the first Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and saw action against pro-Russian militias.
In one declaration, posted this week on the messaging app Telegram, shortly before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a leader of the Azov Battalion’s political wing called for a “total mobilization” of the group, and pointed volunteers toward recruitment resources online.
Earlier this week, Carpathian Sich, a Ukrainian group, posted donation information to its Telegram channel, seeking money from its followers via PayPal, as well as with the Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Tron cryptocurrencies.
The same information was shared on several Finnish and French far-right sites, among them “OC,” a white nationalist site. This week, the group posted a pro-Ukraine statement on its Telegram channel, encouraging its subscribers to make donations to Carpathian Sich. A subsequent post said, “Just like the U.S.S.R., Putin will be defeated,” by aligning “French nationalists” with the Ukrainian people.”
Neo-Nazi and white supremacist Telegram users from Finland also encouraged fellow Finns to join the fight alongside Ukrainians, SITE reported. One post said, “the age-old duty of the Finns has been to wage war against the Russians.”
“Russia has always been persecuting us, and that snake will not drop until it knocks its head off,” said the post, according to SITE. “The best solution would be to make a collective surprise blow and knock out Moscow to the Stone Age.”
>>542063that little girl.. gifrel
>>542059liberalism was a full mistake.
>>542075The mexican party is a rapist cult that is eating itself alive, in part because they physically threaten any ex-members that speak about the rampant sexual harassment. Ex-members have had their homes vandalized and rocks thrown to their windows. These are still communists, mind you.
Their only praxis was book clubs where they didn't even read any of the 3 books in their reading list, and making proclamations on issues larping as a state. We have parties that are larger and much better, but they aren't visible because they aren't funded by the KKE.
The only redeeming quality is their good international relations. Anyone would believe they are a relevant, non insane, non rapist party if they only looked at their publications on their website and social media.
Ка-52 вышли на охоту. Мариуполь
Ka-52 went hunting. Mariupol
https://twitter.com/vezhlivo/status/1498596111975653377>>542099Name one thing they've been wrong Duran has been wrong about ?
I've been following them a while and their general estimated trajectory of events has played out
>>542110This. EVERY SINGLE THREAD we have this discussion.
>>542104Go look in the last threads:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/catalog.htmlMaybe I'll make a thread just for Azov in the catalog so we can have one up for the rest of this we can point all these dipshits to.
>>542104>Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?In 2014, Ukrainian government made Azov Battalion, a neo-nazi battalion whose insignia is a literal symbol from Nazi Germany's SS divisions, part of the National Guard. The former Azov commander is the police chief of Kiev, Azov was given lots of freedom to do policing in the Eastern and Southern parts of Ukraine. That is where the fiercest fighting is happening, wherever there are Nazis. This is because while rest of Ukrainians have nothing to fear, Ukrainian Nazis are fighting for their survival.
More info:
www.azov.org.ua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Front_(Ukraine)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukrainehttps://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-awayhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.htmlhttps://www.euronews.com/2022/02/13/ukraine-far-right-group-offers-training-to-civilianshttps://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-reverses-ban-praise-ukraine-far-right-forces-2022-2?r=US&IR=T >>542125There's plenty more Nazi groups in Ukraine besides azov. It appears azov has been thrust into the spotlight, no doubt due to their blatant use appropriation of the black sun.
There's also Right Sector, OUN, and Svboda
>>542131PARTY FOR UKRAINE WOOOOO
THIS NEXT MOLLY IS FOR YOUUUU
GONNA TALK TO ZELENSKY ON THE ASTRAL PLANE
SLAVA LSD
>>806863Yeah yeah, whatever you say.
What was rome 2.0 btw? I want to understand how based this new Rome which I fully support because I, as a marxist leninist putinist, believe russia is communist (screenshot this too).
>>542120Based anon, answering the question again. I notice you, baby.
Lib friendly article:
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimeaNATO's defacto think tank:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/>>542123Everything I've seen is good. Haven't seen much though.
>>542122>or corporations will truly become extranational entities that don't serve any single country nor pay taxesThat's basically already true.
>>542138jej
>>542148Lets just say if this shit happened in Iraq we would be preparing for an ambush and have an extreme vigilance posture.
50,000 RPG's and missile launchers were just airdropped all over Ukraine like it was toys for tots. I would probably have ordered my driver to pop smoke and fire off some warning rounds and accelerate as slowly as possible to not smush the babooshkas.
This is also why you have foot mounted fucking infantry to pull security.
>>542146It took you this long to figure out? We've been loudly and patiently spelling it out for you in 50+ threads.
It's not that socialism is no longer possible. Socialism has proven to be a deadly endeavor and impossible because of American hegemony.
Imagine wanting socialism anywhere in reality and not only in your imagination, what a crime! The important thing though, is that you managed to reach an ultra leftist position from which you can smugly look down on the "revisionists" and "right wing leftists" that actually want socialism in real life, while you wait for The Coming Insurrection Of Simultaneous and Totally Based Non-Revisionist International Socialism.
>>806915>>542152Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.
No amount of historical revisionism will change that.
Don't listen to hippy dippy "both sides bad" bullshit. NATO provoked war. Russia gave them
14 years of constant warnings and explicit red lines that should not be crossed.
14 years of warningsNo, I don't support invasions, which is why NATO should have fucking took Russia's 14 years of constant warnings seriously. They should have taken Georgia seriously.
NATO shills blaming this on Russia are fucking ignorant, right wingers, or insane.
A western chauvinist agrees with me, so should you:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4 >>542181I am amazed at the restraint shown by Russian troops in
the Ukraine. If shit like this would have happened in other conflicts, I doubt the soldiers would have been that passive.
>>542155the extent of your criticism of Duran is they got wrong a prediction in the German government?
lol
Urgent! Joint Statement of Communist and Workers’ Parties, No to the imperialist war in Ukraine!http://www.solidnet.org/article/Urgent-Joint-Statement-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-No-to-the-imperialist-war-in-Ukraine/
>The Communist and Workers’ Parties signing this Joint Statement are opposed to the imperialist conflict in Ukraine, which constitutes one of the consequences of the tragic situation for the peoples shaped after the overthrow of socialism and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Both the bourgeois and the opportunist forces, which for years have fought against the USSR and recently celebrated the 30th anniversary of its dissolution, silencing the fact that the restoration of capitalism meant the dismantling of historic workers’ and people’s achievements and brought the peoples of the USSR back to the era of class exploitation and imperialist wars, are completely exposed.
>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country. These pursuits are concealed by imperialist powers, which are in conflict promoting their own pretexts such as “defending democracy”, “self-defence”, and one’s right to “choose their alliances”, the compliance with the UN or OSCE principles, or supposedly “fascism”, while deliberately detaching fascism from the capitalist system that gives rise to and utilizes it.
>We denounce the activity of fascist and nationalist forces in Ukraine, anti-communism and the persecution of communists, the discrimination against the Russian-speaking population, the armed attacks of the Ukrainian government against the people in Donbas. We condemn the utilization of reactionary political forces of Ukraine, including fascist groups, by the Euro-Atlantic powers for the implementation of their plans. In addition, the anti-communist rhetoric against Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union to which the Russian leadership resorts to justify its own strategic plans in the region, is unacceptable. However, nothing can tarnish the enormous contribution of socialism in the Soviet Union, which was a multinational union of equal Socialist Republics.
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies. We express our solidarity with the communists and the peoples of Russia and Ukraine and we stand on their side to strengthen the struggle against nationalism, which is fostered by each bourgeoisie. The peoples of both countries, who lived in peace and jointly thrived in the framework of the USSR, as well as all other peoples have no interest in siding with one or another imperialist or alliance that serves the interests of the monopolies.
>We highlight that the illusions fostered by bourgeois forces claiming that there could be a “better security architecture” in Europe by EU intervention, NATO “without military plans and aggressive weapon systems in its territory”, a “pro-peace EU”, or a “peaceful multipolar world”, etc are highly dangerous. All these assumptions have nothing to do with reality and are misleading for the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist struggle, seeking to cultivate the perception that “peaceful imperialism” may exist. However, the truth is that NATO and the EU, like any capitalist transnational union, are predatory alliances with a deeply reactionary nature that cannot become pro-people and will continue to act against workers’ and people’s rights and the peoples; that capitalism goes hand in hand with imperialist wars.
>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.
>The interest of the working class and the popular strata requires us to strengthen the class criterion for analyzing the developments, to chart our own independent path against monopolies and bourgeois classes, for the overthrow of capitalism, for the strengthening of the class struggle against imperialist war, for socialism, which remains as timely and necessary as ever.1. Algerian Party for Democracy and Socialism
2. Communist Party of Azerbaijan
3. Party of Labour of Austria
4. Communist Party of Bangladesh
5. Communist Party of Belgium
6. Communist Party in Denmark
7. Communist Party of El Salvador
8. Communist Party of Finland
9. Communist Party of Greece
10. Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
11. Workers Party of Ireland
12. Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
13. Socialist Party of Latvia
14. Communist Party of Mexico
15. New Communist Party of the Netherlands
16. Communist Party of Norway
17. Palestinian Communist Party
18. Communist Party of Pakistan
19. Paraguayan Communist Party
20. Peruvian Communist Party
21. Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
22. Communist Party of Poland
23. Romanian Socialist Party
24. South African Communist Party
25. Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
26. Sudanese Communist Party
27. Communist Party of Swaziland
28. Communist Party of Sweden
29. Syrian Communist Party
30. Communist Party of Turkey
31. Union of Communists of Ukraine
Put the link in the International response section for the next thread please and for the analysis section there is that:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/enlarging-nato-a-questionable-idea-whose-time-has-come/https://ips-dc.org/the_costs_and_dangers_of_nato_expansion/ >>542194Indeed, thanks for complementing it.
It's baby steps with these people. First you need to convince them that maybe Putin is not suffering from schizophrenia or that Putin in fact is not of the Canis familiaris species with a bad case of rabies. That alone is hard enough.
>>542206>Differance is, at this type NATO isn't actively conducting a fucking invasion.Wrong.
They are conducting political invasion. Couping everyone they fucking damn please and installing their own puppet states.
You seem to implicitly support the US/EU/NATO invasion of Ukraine simply because it wasn't as bloody. Despite the fact that it put fascists in power and implemented deadly ethno-nationalist policies. I guess thats fine because Our Troops were kept safe. Velvet invasion.
>>542104>Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?The document here
>>542046 goes into the various Nazi groups in Ukraine and how they're integrated into the military. A bunch of the Nazis are currently being surrounded in Mariupol which is one of their main bases.
Also this was a recruiting tent in Kharkov that got blown up a few hours ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol) >>542226Okay shitter, even if its true, consider the following:
>Wouldn't have happened without the invasion>At the same time Russia is shelling civilian areasNo matter how hard you seethe, you will never be the "good guy" in this conflict.
>>542241You should fuck off to reddit. How the fuck can you unironically support nazis and Nato?
Wanna be against Russia? Acceptable but now you are exaggerating with the contrarianism
>>542199who tf is drawing porn of the russian side
r34??
>>542259No ignoring because there's Nato on the other side.
Also most civilians are being killed by Nato lapdogs.
Obviously some gonna get killed because it's a war. But Russians are being million times more moderate than anything Nato ever did since it bombed Serbia. Which you faggot probably supported too
>>542190I wanna fuck her
#Anti-fascism #AunTifa #Italy
>>542250The U.S. was forged in the crucible of insurrection, has been at war for the past 93% of it's existence, purged the indigenous population, fought the Spanish invaders to steal the land that they stole from the natives, fought the French to steal the land they stole from the natives, then fought itself to consider humans worthy of not being enslaved.
Its never going to change. Our civilian populace owns over 50% of the entire planets guns.We have like 500 military bases around the world, 13 nuclear powered aircraft carrier fleets, we sell F-35's and Patriot missile systems to every Arab who owns an oil pump.
The U.S. has wanted this war for a long time now.
>>542107I'd guess rear echelon troops with gear that they weren't really intended to ever need
>>542245I think the hohols stepped the shelling up during the negotiations to goad Russia into invading
>>542186fuck me man
putin is memeing hard, especially when is himself a porky and oppresses other communists
like this confirms it that he was behind those 2016 meme shit on the internet
>>542278no ti's called having a better nut to game ratio
but like isn't it not some preview of porn?
like she's got massive jugs, i imagine that artist also has edits of her getting fucked
btw i would like to research that, y'know
war time information and effects on people during it because of social media
that's the title of my dissertation
Ignorance of history does not absolve you of being a NATO shill.
Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.
No amount of historical revisionism will change that.
Don't listen to hippy dippy "both sides bad" bullshit. NATO provoked war. Russia gave them
14 years of constant warnings and
explicit red lines that should not be crossed, with explicit actions they would take if those red lined were crossed.
14 years of warningsNo, I don't support invasions, which is why NATO should have fucking took Russia's 14 years of constant warnings seriously. They should have taken Georgia seriously. They shouldn't have politicially invaded Ukraine by fueling a coup, helping the US/NATO-friendly fascist get installed in the government, trained the nazi battalions, and flooded the country with guns and military equipement.
NATO shills blaming this on Russia are ignorant, right wingers, insane, or a combination of those.
A western chauvinist agrees with me, so should you:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4There is NO reason to be a NATO shill.
spoiler, the US did take Russia's redlines seriously, and knowingly provoked war. That was the end game. Ukraine was never going to join NATO. They understood perfectly what Russia communicated for 14+ years and used it as a guidelines to instigate this invasion.Back in 2008, the year George W. Bush fatefully badgered reluctant European leaders into pledging future NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns sent a memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that included this warning:Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.So it wasn't even 14 years, it was even more than that. The US has been purposefully pushing Russia into war well before 2008.>>542300>if you punch me I will punch you back*punches him*
*gets punched*
>i fucking told you<waaah no agencyFucking retard.
>>542297As predicted
Also import substitution confirmed in Russia by Mishustin
>>542302пример на уровне детского сада
But in reality it's like someone punching themselves and saying you made them do it.
>>542303This war is spilling over all boundaries and borders.
*slides you an RPG*
Hit the fucking museum now soldier!
>>542308>Ukraine is part of Russia >Russia invading Ukraine is punching itselfIs that really what you want to say?
It's a baby example because your complaint of not having agency is bullshit. I'm not in favor of invasion, but they warned for 14+ years and the US kept pushing. In Spanish we have a saying,
"Bajo aviso no hay engaño"
"When a notice is given, there is no treachery".
>>542294If this is the case, then why have Russia invade Ukraine at all? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the Russians engage in gunboat diplomacy and have the Ukraine recognise the DPR and LPR?
NATO advancing onto Russia is well within a cause for alarm, but Russia's invasion seems to have only emboldened NATO, with Finland asking to join.
>>542146Western leftist here. It is depressing to no end to be one here. People are brainwashed so deeply, that they have literal NPC reactions to the mere mention of the spooky scary term "socialism", let alone communism. Even (former) friends, teachers, professors, who I've considered fairly intelligent get this kind of reaction. All scientific principles, they may have adhered to through their education get thrown out the window, while making all kinds of logical fallacies in such conversations. It's like they are programmed. Whenever there is a crisis that is obviously a consequence of capitalism's crontradictions, we, our communist parties and organisations, are unable to even capitalise a little bit on them. People are much more willing to consider brainwormed conspiracy theories of some scapegoated minority supposedly causing all problems, as opposed to logically look at the actual root of the issues. Almost all Westerners are completely unable of even basic critical thinking. They may have higher education, skills and degrees, but they are consistently the most stupid people I've ever interacted with. Every poor minority person, working "low-skill" labour that never even heard of marxism, are much more class conscious, show solidarity, empathetic and generally nicer in comparison. Westerners only drift evermore into rabid reaction in comparison. When I researched socialist history over the last century, this seems like a consistent issue with Westerners, which has only gotten worse over time. The workers movement has been completely gone before I was even born, while the workers now don't show desire to even consider risisting capital, while things get materially ever worse. No, instead they worship people like Elon Musk, no matter how often he proves to be a grifter and a disgusting exploiter. They worship internet celebrities and still think they might become rich someday, no matter how clearly reality disproves any such prospects.
I can somewhat understand, when Western leftists here react the way they do. It's really hard to cope with this dystopian hellhole. They are still wrong in what they're doing of course. But even with me spite towards the (Western) ruling class is the biggest thing keeping me alive at this point.
>>542310At this point I barely recognize reality and am starting to question my own sanity.
Flight of the Valkyries meets surface to air duck hunt.
>>542294>On June 26, a group of 50 prominent foreign policy experts that included former senators, retired military officers, diplomats and academicians, sent an open letter to President Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion. Stanley Resor, chairman of the Board of Directors of the Arms Control Association, spoke at the press conference announcing the letter, focusing on the arms control implications of expansion. Resor's remarks and the group's letter are printed below.
<We, the undersigned, believe that the current U.S.led effort to expand NATO, the focus of the recent Helsinki and Paris Summits, is a policy error of historic proportions. We believe that NATO expansion will decrease allied security and unsettle European stabilityhttps://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion>also pic related >>542295Before the invasion, there were 18 cease-fire agreement breaches all along the LPR/DPR borders. After LPR and DPR declared independence, Ukraine military ramped up shelling of civilian cities, hitting schools, killing children and teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsTodayThis guy has been on the ground from the start, and you can see videos of damage (and dead civilians) from Ukrainian shelling.
>>542315I agree with you. I also find the invasion surprising and I don't understand the full extent of the reasoning.
And I know you don't mean it as a rebuttal, not taking it as such, I just want to reiterate how this is US/NATOs doing, and were well aware of what this could lead to, which they successfully managed to accomplish, which is a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>>542326>This war certainly doesn't feel like punching evil NATO in the face to the Russian speaking soldiers shooting other Russian speaking soldiers. It wasn't Russian soldiers that decided to invade Ukraine. I'm not morally justifying invasion. I am appalled and deeply saddened by it. I am latin american and I try to contextualize this conflict as a deadly war between fraternal countries, like those in LATAM. I find it absolutely harrowing, and extremely tragic. My country has been at war with itself for many years. A single death of a family member is a serious tragedy. Growing up with daily deaths being reported on the news is extremely tragic. I understand this.
I am not pro-invasion, I invite you to read my posts with this in mind.
>>542294>Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.It isn't though, is it. This is a sleight of hand to remove agency from Russia, turning "Russia made the most reasonable choice available to them under the circumstances" into "Russia had no choice." so as to bolster the anti-NATO argument by presenting NATO as the only ones who could've avoided the present situation, even though it's remarkably obvious that Russia had as much if not greater capacity to do so. (This is true even if you believe it would've imposed unacceptably high costs on Russia, making it an 'unrealistic' option.)
Equally, we might say that Ukraine could've minimized invasion by surrendering before most troops had crossed the border. My aim here is not so much to argue for a side, which I don't care about, as it is to push a certain way of thinking about agency. Or perhaps to get people thinking about agency at all - NATO, Russia, Ukraine, all could've stopped the invasion at the expense of some interest or other - but nobody in these threads could've stopped it, or started it for that matter. They are the people without agency, and seeking identity in a foreign conflict, they often find themselves anthropomorphizing their chosen side, stripping it of agency so as to better reflect themselves.
which isn't a personal accusation, i just thought that sounded cool. >>542339So basically they waved the bait and Putin bit it.
I don't know whether to be impressed by NATO's bond level of villainy, or further infuriated by Putin's trigger discipline.
>>542294Based post
Clear out all the faggot "both sides" trot rats
>>542343As ASBMilitary put it; Russia was never going to be able to compete. The western anti-Russia hysteria has been going on for years and they control all major global social media
I am surprised they banned RT and Sputnik, it shows how afraid they are of alternative narratives
Western liberalism is weak and just like the Russian bourgeoisie they have no solution to the global crises in the world other than brutal resource wars and imperialism (The "green" politics of westoids would mean stealing all of the worlds supply for several critical resources for themselves)
>>542342>>542345Shut the fuck up about agency.
What NATO did amounts to a declaration of war to Russia, and Russia gave them 14+ years to retract. Instead, they doubled down.
Russia fucking said:
DONT FUCKING DO THIS, OR IT WILL BE WAR.
AND THEY FUCKING DID EVERY FUCKING POINT OF THE LIST.
Fuck off about agency.
Here it goes again:
Rusia said, 14+ years ago, "do this and it's war"
NATO has been doing it since then. And when Russia complains, they call them a rogue state and mad dogs, then they double down and do more of it.
How do you NATO shills incorporate this into your belief system?
>>542329MUH DIVIDENDIES
>>542342You have to look back to Euromaidan, that's when this war started. It is US/NATO's fault.
>>542343So far, yes, but that's all they have. The entire damn West is pretending Ukraine is a hapless victim of a foreign despot, but the longer this goes on, the less this is tenable. I don't want to jinx it, but I think America stepped in it. We might soon see the point when world opinion turns on America in a manner analogous to how America's opinion on cops turned in 2020.
>>542363Interesting isn't it
The west has unprecedented capability in English speaking internet
Social media is quite literally the framework of intelligence services yet they still had to ban RT and Sputnik
>>542369zero engagement with the actual content of the post, immediate jumping to conclusions based on shibboleths. an object-example of internet brainworms.
alas, you do not have the agency to prevent me from talking about agency, while i have the agency to follow through or not follow through on my threat to continue posting. (i will probably follow through, but might get bored.)
>>542374That may be true, but fault finding is not particularly interesting when a war is going on. Much more fun to try to teach abstract personal lessons.
>>542375Unsatisfied with the content of my post, i see you have decided to substitute words that aren't in it, which you'd like to be in it.
Particularly when the implication of the words that are actually in it suggests a more "unreasonable" question:
<Why didn't Russia just surrender?Which is of course, the wrong question, because the actual emphasis would be on
<Russia had the choice to surrenderLeading neatly into the final conclusion:
<Russia had the choice to fight or to surrender, (you) have no choice either way, and seek to feel closer to Russia by projecting your own lack of choices onto it. >>542361>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.You will get called a Putinoid shill if you advocate for your country to get out of NATO or for the EU to demilitarise. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall by now, I don't know what to tell you. Being against both NATO and Putin is seen in the West as being pro-Putin. NATO/EU/West and their lapdog media have assumed the stance of "you're either with us, or you're against us". Look how long it took for European media to start reporting on the Indians and Africans beaten by the border, but the world already handed out medals and created memorial days for the people "who died on Snake Island".
>Marx flag>complete disregard for material reality>clinging to idealist notionstake it off, poser.
"You can't be neutral on a moving train." - Howard Zinn
>>542386Its insane how opposed to demilitarization people are in the west
They don't realize they are going to be paying for this proxy war and that hundreds of thousands of ukrainians will die
>but mordor will winAs if that would be worse than prolonging this for months or years
>>542384I read your post now. I see what you mean.
I'm fighting a holy war against NATO shills on leftypol while I'm at work. Your post started with a common NATO shill point, but then it was rescued.
My apologies.
Nuance is dead. It's impossible to have nuances when nuances are used against you.
>>542388I see the Cocacola machine hiding just to the left of the sign lol
NOTHING IS BEYOND OUR BURGER REACH
>>542382DAE THINK VLADIMIR PUTIN IS LITERALLY HITLER?!
EDIT: thanks for the platinum gold kind stranger sir, but please use that money to donate to the brave men of the Azov battalion who are fighting for civilisation
>>542342>presenting NATO as the only ones who could've avoided the present situationThe Ukrainians voted for Zelensky as he positioned himself as for peace and detente with Russia
When he got in he did a full 180
The US state department runs the Ukrainian government so if he 180'd he did so with complicity of United States.
The fault of this war is the US and the EU and anything else is historical revisionism
>>542386 You're calling me an idealist and not grounded in material reality because of not basing my politics on how liberals see me?
You're telling me to take off my Marx flag when I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world, with the only exception of the CCP?
Again and again this "you can't be neutral" bullshit - are you aware of any actual communists position on WWI was?
You have no arguements, no cohenrent position, no positive vision, only vitriol and bargaining with butchers. It is no surprise that you are a bloodthirsty warmonger, celebrating the slaughter of the masses.
A communist makes concesssions, but never on their principles.
>>542404>when I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world, with the only exception of the CCP?>most relevant communist parties in the world,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You mean the ones KKE funds are the most relevant in the world? What a strange criterion.
>>542384You can feel the smug pedantic aura from here.
Have sex.
>>542398<May 20: Volodymyr Zelensky triumphs over Poroshenko to become the new president of Ukraine. Zelensky is an actor and comedian who campaigned against corruption and for a détente with Moscow. He spent much of his career in Russia and also speaks Russianhttps://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220228-from-the-maidan-protests-to-russia-s-invasion-eight-years-of-conflict-in-ukraineHe then held talks with Russia to implement the Minsk accords signed in 2015 (minsk2)
They were never implemented
A year into his presidency he
<June 12, 2020: NATO grants Ukraine “enhanced opportunities” allowing cooperation between NATO forces and Kyiv’s army. NATO says this “does not presuppose decisions on NATO membership”. But Zelensky is pushing for the alliance to propose a membership plan.This is all natos fault. The Ukrainians did not vote for a president to pursue such a hostile position to Russia.
Any "both sidsing" is historical revisionism
>>542386And just to get this straight:
>You will get called a Putinoid shill if you advocate for your country to get out of NATO or for the EU to demilitarise. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall by now, I don't know what to tell you. Being against both NATO and Putin is seen in the West as being pro-Putin. NATO/EU/West and their lapdog media have assumed the stance of "you're either with us, or you're against us".I don't care how liberals see me; I care about having the correct, nuance political position. Something you obviously do not - in fact, you have the exact same position as the Republican party: "trigger the libs".
I'm not even going to argue with you further because you have admitted to not caring about the truth or the correct position, but only about how you are percieved.
>>542390No problem
>>542397Not invading Ukraine.
<but that would lead to [negative consequence for Russia]Yes, that may well be correct. It probably would have. So Russia
chose the present situation over the alternative, less desirable situation. It is not necessary to demonstrate that they chose wrongly - only that they chose. The point to be made is that unlike posters here, Russia can choose.
>>542417so what you're saying is that I project powerful auras while you project virginity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrCVUnhWswLIVE: Extraordinary plenary session on the Russian invasion of Ukraine
European Parliament is debating live about allowing Ukraine into NATO
>>542409 "The KKE funds"? Just like your liberal counterparts, the only thing you can arm yourself with against the only relevant communist parties in the capitalist world is mud.
Thank you for exposing yourself as an anticommunist.
>>542404>I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world<no CCP<no Cuba CP<no Venezuela CP<no Iran CP<no Guatemala CP<no DPRK WPYes, I see your joint statement signed by communist parties of countries like Latvia, Austria, Sweden, Denmark…Those parties don't represent their people, they're just social clubs for old people.
>Again and again this "you can't be neutral" bullshitHas the world memoty been wiped in the last week? Did you forget what US/NATO/EU have been doing for the past 70 years?! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU AMERICANS AND YOUR 24 HOUR NEWS CYCLE MEMORY.
>are you aware of any actual communists position on WWI was?<Russia-Ukraine war is like WWI>You have no arguementsUnlike your appeal to authority argument? "These parties said so, therefore it is right" Nice argument, Marks.
>no cohenrent positionUnlike you, one minute anti-imperialist, next "Putin bad, save us NATO, also do more to get rid of NATO from your countries, but not before Russia stops attacking, I hate NATO, but I hate Russia, NATO out, but NATO should win". very coherent
>no positive visionPositive like "opposition to Russia" you mean?
>celebrating the slaughter of the masses.What do you think of Ukraine shelling and killing civilians in Donbas?
>>542223>You seem to implicitly support the US/EU/NATO invasion of Ukraine simply because it wasn't as bloody. Despite the fact that it put fascists in power and implemented deadly ethno-nationalist policies. I guess thats fine because Our Troops were kept safe. Velvet invasionEven this point simps for nato position
The Ukro-nazis have killed upward of 14,000 of their own people since 2014
DPR and LPR was shelled and bombed the entire time
>>542431What a non answer lmao.
I'm the liberal because I don't believe any party the KKE funds is the most relevant in the whole wide world? Ok, I'll stay a liberal.
>>542437Check the responses to these:
>>542178>>542294This is only ITT.
That statement has been posted several times.
>>542405paraphrased translation
UKR: why? why? why?
RUS: citizens, please clear your streets, clear the streets, go to your homes
UKR: these are our streets! our streets! our city!
RUS: your streets, your city.
UKR: our streets! our city!
end
>>542429If one was naive that would be odd since NATO and the EU are seperate entities and if the European parliament should be discussing anything it should be the immediate ascension of Ukraine to the EU
Amusing
>>542286POV
you're a Russian warlord and you just opened your new home in the afterlife
>>542455And you would not be complaining about the savagery of russian soldiers that are beating babooshkas with their rifles?
>>542457Candidateship at that. Turkey and Bosnia have been one for two decades. Dunno if the EU is retarded to fast track this but they seem to be hellbent on nuking their own economy
>>542382Really? what happened afterwards?
Is that why the bourgeise of germany helped hitler and fascism happened
>>542329That's so wild lol
How do they stop them
>>542317what is the second meme relevant to your post
i don't want to read pls
>>542476I SPEAK THE AMERICAN LANGUAGE YOU ANGLO!!!!
I am an AmericanX
>>542458>13 femboys after you die.Allah never said the sex of the virgins silly Cuckservatists
He also never said where he gets the femboys, but that is a surprise for them in another time.
>>542146Total Nato hegemony does not help in our endeavors.
Also China conducting cuck foreign policy doesn't but that's a completely unreleted discussion now.
>>542429Live!
War mongerers given a podium.
To be fair, some of the people here would agree with the demands made by the guy on right now (grilled pilled schizo and the latam Ruski among others). After all "russia bad".
>>542438You support Russia because you think they're some sort of "based trad-orthodox duginist regime". We CRITICALLY support Russia because it fucked with NATO hegemony (though it's arguably made it worse).
We are not the same. We will never be your allies, and you will never be welcome here so long as you still consider yourself a member of /pol/.
>But i cross post.It's either one or the other.
>>542460So they entered the city for real?
From which side?
Also is the encirclement complete?
>>542484also Syria and Iraq still. Was that all? I was like I forgot one.
Well whatever france does these days.
>>542146This guys retarded. Communists are never "transcending the nation state" until such point borders begin to break down in a world communist order
Lenin BTFO'd this fag, trot shit 100 years ago
<Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone. After expropriating the capitalists and organising their own socialist production, the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world—the capitalist world—attracting to its cause the oppressed classes of other countries, stirring uprisings in those countries against the capitalists, and in case of need using even armed force against the exploiting classes and their states. The political form of a society wherein the proletariat is victorious in overthrowing the bourgeoisie will be a democratic republic, which will more and more concentrate the forces of the proletariat of a given nation or nations, in the struggle against states that have not yet gone over to socialism. The abolition of classes is impossible without a dictatorship of the oppressed class, of the proletariat. A free union of nations in socialism is impossible without a more or less prolonged and stubborn struggle of the socialist republics against the backward states.
<It is for these reasons and after repeated discussions at the conference of R,S.D.L.P. groups abroad, and following that conference, that the Central Organ’s editors have come to the conclusion that the slogan for a United States of Europe is an erroneous one. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htm
>Russia and China provide alternatives. Even Iran offers an alternative. Ultimately, most of the western left has committed to a position against western liberal capitalism, but in the absence of socialism they're willing to support Russian Nationalism, Chinese Nationalism, Islamist Expansionism, and even Baathism. It's incredibly sad.Engels Lenin and Stalin supported Irish nationalism, Indian nationalism and Chinese nationalism.
<The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptians merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British "Labour" Government is waging to preserve Egypt's dependent position is for the same reason a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of the government, despite the fact that they are "for" socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htmthe reason MLs "support" these countries is because we take a viewpoint on the general balance sheet against imperialism.
Ie. an analysis of their historic movement and their effect of global imperialism.
And not from a static snapshot of some "formal point of progress" which you and libs generally do (oh we must be more progressive! we allow faggots and trans!)
>>542146>absence of socialism they're willing to support Russian Nationalism, Chinese Nationalism, Islamist Expansionism, and even Baathism.One of these things is not like the others
One of these things does not belong
>>542490 (me)
President Duda, rather.
>>542146for 70 years the left tries to fight for some abstract "democratic socialism but with the NATO as friend" and the results are: none, zero, null, niente. Dont forget how Bernie (and he was just a moderate socdem) was treated just a few years ago. Now were told that we should forget all this and maybe maybe we get some scraps if were just sorry enough. No - fuck you.
You are not wrong in the start of your idea that indeed we look onto new shores. People who dont may hold onto the warm memories of '68 for another centuriy. Not cause any power was gained but just cause it felt so free that one year. I am done with this cucking.
>>542146That people do not do it because they fail to see socialism but because they think socialism is the romantic nationalism of the *foreign other*. These people are petit bourgeois and so alienated from their societies that they feel spite and resent and wish for the nationalism of a foreign power to punish their national proletarian for not living to their standards. Those people have their brains wired like conservatives and just lack nationalism, look at china simps, they only care about how rich china is and how much china is winning in pointless statistics against america but give zero fucks about worker's rights or economic planning.
Being anti west is not leftism and we are not saying this loud enough.
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/miscellaneous/china-welcome-russia-ukraine-dialogue-to-reso-1477904.htmlI for one welcome our new Chinese overlords
They're so much more mature that the previous overlords those ones acted like spoilt children
>>542513most chinese simps praise chinas economic planning
the fuck are u talking about?
>>542523Never seen that shit.
>>542526Okay that's a good thing.
>>542530bruh go to china simps and tell them what do you think of chinas economic planning
alot of them from my expirence say, china plans for the future, and rationally develops the economy, and thus unlike western divided pigs, china has a future
>>542513>Being anti west is not leftism and we are not saying this loud enough.It is a crucial element of the left, if you don't live in the west however. Like it or not, communist + anti-west patriotic rhetoric works best in my country. Otherwise people buy into right-wing attacks that I'm promoting "western cultural marxism". People intuitively understand that the West is squeezing our balls because that's what they experience. That doesn't mean cheap nationalist chauvinism of course, which is actually used as a smoke screen for further cucking.
On the other hand western anti-westerners are also a pain in the ass, because in certain cases they'd rather promote our ruling class than the protesters against them. But these larpers have no effect anyway, so I don't care as much.
>>542535Jasbir Puar makes a convincing argument in the book I posted
If you overlay a map of Nato (and Natos "partner" countries) over a map of LGBT rights map it's the same thing
>>542543>If you overlay a map of Nato (and Natos "partner" countries) over a map of LGBT rights map it's the same thingNo shit. USSR was one of the first countries to decriminalise homosexuality. First sex reassignment surgery was performed in Latvia, in the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union actually had several cases where they allowed someone to live as the opposite gender (with their official documentation confirming it). Women in Soviet countries were in science, leadership, army.
Yet this liberal LGBT is another beast entirely. It is not about recognition of gay people, or trans people, it is about marketing your ideology to as many people as you can. It's classic marketing and advertising. You create a need/want (people want these "progressive" rights) and then you sell them a way to do it (we have to invade XYZ because they're against "progressive" rights), thus finding popular support for Western/NATO wars of aggression.
>>542146Will never be me
Communism is inevitable
Sooner or later
By choice or extinction
The masses can do it!
All we have to do is educate and train them
Sorry for bringing up retards, but I thought this was interesting
/pol/ is going pro-Russian, pro-china pretty fucking hard, merely because they all have lost faith in the western world. This shows that /pol/ are nothing but contrarian adolescents lashing out at capitalism, but since they want to be edgy and rebellious rather than productive they larp as Nazis. /pol/ is cheering the end of the petrodollar. For the first time in a LONG time, I saw someone start a thread redpilling people on the kulacks and it didn't get spammed to oblivion with stormcucks. Rather an actual discussion happened. I have no idea how long this will last, but I think it demonstrates the autism score alignment graph really well. Low autism score /pol/ and High autism score /leftypol/ going against American global hegemony, while normies support it.
BRICS along with Russia quitting the dollar is already ending American global hegemony, as soon as the Russians take Kiev in the next 24-48 hours, normies are going to go back to their lives and realize that gas, wheat and other things will be expensive. This is why the west needs this war, as soon as the Russians win, the normies will realize what they have lost, and the whole thing will start to fall.
>>542558Leave to nazis to not care about the wellbeing of their country or to defend western civilization.
If in a year /pol/ becomes radlib central I will cringe so hard.
>>542568There is no anti imperialism, there are not anti imperialist countries. it's all imperialism with gays and imperialism without gays.
Phony civil rights are preferable to no civil rights anyway.
>>542574Nobody here is pro Putin.
If Zyuganov or another KPRF leader grew a pair and fucked him everyone here would cheer.
We desire just for NATO to be crushed. It's too important.
>>542582yea maybe not zyuganov who is a "communist" only in name
kprf needs to purge its leadership given how absolutely out of touch it is with its actually marxist membership
Mussolini was one of the first to comingle the phrase fascism with syndicalism, remarking in the early 1920s that “Fascist syndicalism is national and productivistic… in a national society in which labor becomes a joy, an object of pride and a title to nobility.”[41] Most Italian syndicalists viewed social revolution as a means for rapid transformation to provide “superior productivity,” and if this economic abundance failed to occur, there could be no meaningful social change.[42] The emphasis by syndicalists towards the importance of “producerism” had been originally initiated by Sorel in 1907, who argued that “Marx considers that a revolution by a proletariat of producers who [have] acquired economic capacity.”[43] When Carlo Cafiero developed a compendium for the initial volume of Capital in Italian, Marx reminded his colleague that “material conditions necessary for the emancipation of the proletariat” must be “spontaneously generated by the development of capitalism (den Gang der kapitalistischen Produktion).”[44][45]
The support for the theory of producerism expanded among Fascist syndicalists after the conclusion of the Russian Civil War and transition from war communism showed high unemployment and an environment where “most of the mills and factories were at a standstill; mines and collieries were wrecked and flooded.”[46]
After the introduction of the New Economic Policy (NEP), Italian syndicalists continued to move further away from orthodox Marxism, determined to revise it to fit the changing times and to embolden its strategic goals. They argued that the Russian Bolsheviks had failed to adhere to Engels’ 1850 admonition about the dangers of trying to establish a social revolution within an economically backwards environment.[47] This drift had emerged years before the economic malaise of Soviet Russia, prompting most Italian syndicalists to transcend the errors and drawbacks that “they believed they found in orthodox Marxism.”[48] Developed to bring about worker control of the means of production by direct action, the intellectuals of syndicalism came to the realization that Italy's primitive economy could facilitate neither equality nor abundance for society. Without a mature industry developed by the bourgeois, they came to understand that a successful social revolution required the support of “classless” revolutionaries.[49] Mussolini, along with Italian syndicalists, Nationalists and Futurists, contended that those revolutionaries would be Fascists, not Marxists or some other ideology.[50] According to Mussolini and other syndicalist theoreticians, Fascism would be “the socialism of ‘proletarian nations.’”[51]
In some cases, Rossoni's pro-labor stances worried industrialists due to his philosophic interpretation of Marx's “dynamic law of history,” which lead him to support the eventuality of workers’ control of factories.[62] He argued that industrialists had a legitimate right to assume their positions, but only until “such time as workers, organized into new syndicates, had mastered the requisite competence to take command.”[63] The Fascist syndicalists’ hostility towards employers caused political troubles for Mussolini's regime before and after he established a one-party dictatorship in early 1925. But despite the controversies, Rossoni held on to his position until he was forced to resign in 1928, probably due to fears over his almost 3 million-strong union membership that had greatly surpassed the National Fascist Party membership.[64] Although independent labor unions in Italy were not nationalized until April 3, 1926, under Alfredo Rocco’s Syndical Laws, Fascist syndicates by 1922 had become a “major recruitment competitor for the socialist and Catholic worker organizations.”[65] After peaking to a membership of over 2,000,000 members by 1920, the independent General Confederation of Labor was reduced to 400,000 members by mid-1922. Other unions fared just as poorly. The Catholic syndicates of the Popolari had 1.2 million members in 1921, but by the later part of 1922, it was down to 540,000.[66] Nonetheless, Rossoni was treated as a valuable leader in Mussolini's administration, becoming a member of the Grand Council of Fascism from 1930-1943 and other high positions.[67]
>>54257430 irrelevant and/or rapist parties.
Try again.
>>542575Even MLM (who cannot be accused of revisionism by anyone) in the Philippines say that most of the blame of the conflict lies with NATO and the Ukrainians.
Only Breadtube tier libs think "muh bth sides equally bad" at this point.
>>542600A reporter, journalist and political analyst currently working at RT and devoting his spare time and money to the think tank he founded the Center for Political innovation
Before his journalist career he was a political activist most famous for being part of the international crew, ie a human shield on an Iranian ship on a humanitarian mission to deliver medical supplies to Yemen
>>542598Kherson. Russia blasted the Ukrops' stronghold at some factory, has taken the firefighter HQ and instructs people there, and also patrol the streets.
Ukrainian administration of the city is still in denial that Russians have taken the city
Ukrainian anarchist's open letter to the western left:
https://www.nihilist.li/2022/02/20/why-western-leftists-are-so-fucked-up/Why Western leftists are so fucked up?
>It’s quite fucked up how Western leftist discussion on Ukraine quickly devolves into mentions of far-right groups like Right Sector or Azov. Come on, people. The US, whose leftists often bug Ukrainians with whataboutisms on the fascists, has just had a fascist president.
<Western leftists and anarchists don’t ask us whether we need medical supplies, food, military equipment. They ask us about fascists patrolling the streets in Ukraine. Sweet Jesus, our president is Jewish, and the only right-populist party in the parliament is fucking pro-Russian.
>Right Sector is already a dead movement nobody cares about. Azov regiment is just about a thousand people who at worst might beat some rando up while off-service. Remember when a year ago a crowd of armed white nationalists attempted a coup and Trump was totally ok with that?
<Meanwhile France, Germany, Spain, UK have far-right MPs. Ukraine had only one neo-Nazi MP and he neither submitted any bill nor worked in committees.
>But the very mention of Ukraine as the victim of Russian aggression makes people lose their minds: “They have Right Sector! Azov!! Bandera!!!” And if one can explain the first two, Bandera problem is much harder.
<Even Ukrainians mostly have no idea what he really did due to it being so shrouded in history. Nobody gives a fuck about Bandera besides a bunch of boomers.
>Check replies on Bernie Sanders’ tweet. He says that Russia is a threat to peace. His comment on current escalation is very moderate and calls on diplomacy, but strictly points out who’s the bad guy.
<The benign discussion of what should be an uncontroversial issue within the leftist crowd made them lose their mind instead, blaming Ukraine for mere existence of the far-right movements within.
>And how about the fact that Russia doesn’t even try to cover up its imperialist plan on Ukraine, one that cannot be justified by any leftist ideals? Nyeeh, it’s all NATO’s fault. NATO should pull out of Ukraine!
<Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Fuck us.>>542628Very emotional and unsubstantial, but I agree with them. A lot of westoid leftists are really deranged, their hysterical warmongering media and NATO atrocities has drawn them to literal Russian state media, this is a mostly emotional reaction too. So they have consumed all this "Ukraine is Nazi" narrative and their hatred towards NATO aligns with pro-Russian stance here so well.
Try to sometimes put emotions away. We are human beings with irrational urges, but this is a thing that can be controlled.
>>542628>As anarchists, we need to defend this nazi infested nation state!Anarcho-sanctionsim, Agent Kochinskiism-CIAism is fucking real and they're allegedly in Ukraine.
Scratch a liberal…..
>>542645It has been explained 1000001 times.
This is a US/NATO war that Russians and Ukranians pay. You are either a right winger, a schizo, ignorant, or a combination of the three.
>>542651Nice
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi
>>542666based, to eternal friendship between peoples of africa and slavs
t. slav
>>542673They are going all
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD Mode
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