No.542035
They banned RT. It's not to be found on Google anymore and their YouTube channel is blocked. This is some disturbing shit, since tech censorship doesn't require due process, they might as well just go for "affiliates", e.g. everyone who once gave a single interview on RT.
No.542036
posting in thread with no replies
No.542037
>>542033>russia expected the invasion to be over within 96 hoursRussia doesn't blitz enemies, they do deep battle tactics to slowly encircle their enemy. And that's exactly what they are doing, while minimizing casualties.
No.542038
Urgent! Joint Statement of Communist and Workers’ Parties, No to the imperialist war in Ukraine!http://www.solidnet.org/article/Urgent-Joint-Statement-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-No-to-the-imperialist-war-in-Ukraine/
>The Communist and Workers’ Parties signing this Joint Statement are opposed to the imperialist conflict in Ukraine, which constitutes one of the consequences of the tragic situation for the peoples shaped after the overthrow of socialism and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Both the bourgeois and the opportunist forces, which for years have fought against the USSR and recently celebrated the 30th anniversary of its dissolution, silencing the fact that the restoration of capitalism meant the dismantling of historic workers’ and people’s achievements and brought the peoples of the USSR back to the era of class exploitation and imperialist wars, are completely exposed.
>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country. These pursuits are concealed by imperialist powers, which are in conflict promoting their own pretexts such as “defending democracy”, “self-defence”, and one’s right to “choose their alliances”, the compliance with the UN or OSCE principles, or supposedly “fascism”, while deliberately detaching fascism from the capitalist system that gives rise to and utilizes it.
>We denounce the activity of fascist and nationalist forces in Ukraine, anti-communism and the persecution of communists, the discrimination against the Russian-speaking population, the armed attacks of the Ukrainian government against the people in Donbas. We condemn the utilization of reactionary political forces of Ukraine, including fascist groups, by the Euro-Atlantic powers for the implementation of their plans. In addition, the anti-communist rhetoric against Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union to which the Russian leadership resorts to justify its own strategic plans in the region, is unacceptable. However, nothing can tarnish the enormous contribution of socialism in the Soviet Union, which was a multinational union of equal Socialist Republics.
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies. We express our solidarity with the communists and the peoples of Russia and Ukraine and we stand on their side to strengthen the struggle against nationalism, which is fostered by each bourgeoisie. The peoples of both countries, who lived in peace and jointly thrived in the framework of the USSR, as well as all other peoples have no interest in siding with one or another imperialist or alliance that serves the interests of the monopolies.
>We highlight that the illusions fostered by bourgeois forces claiming that there could be a “better security architecture” in Europe by EU intervention, NATO “without military plans and aggressive weapon systems in its territory”, a “pro-peace EU”, or a “peaceful multipolar world”, etc are highly dangerous. All these assumptions have nothing to do with reality and are misleading for the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist struggle, seeking to cultivate the perception that “peaceful imperialism” may exist. However, the truth is that NATO and the EU, like any capitalist transnational union, are predatory alliances with a deeply reactionary nature that cannot become pro-people and will continue to act against workers’ and people’s rights and the peoples; that capitalism goes hand in hand with imperialist wars.
>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.
>The interest of the working class and the popular strata requires us to strengthen the class criterion for analyzing the developments, to chart our own independent path against monopolies and bourgeois classes, for the overthrow of capitalism, for the strengthening of the class struggle against imperialist war, for socialism, which remains as timely and necessary as ever.1. Algerian Party for Democracy and Socialism
2. Communist Party of Azerbaijan
3. Party of Labour of Austria
4. Communist Party of Bangladesh
5. Communist Party of Belgium
6. Communist Party in Denmark
7. Communist Party of El Salvador
8. Communist Party of Finland
9. Communist Party of Greece
10. Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
11. Workers Party of Ireland
12. Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
13. Socialist Party of Latvia
14. Communist Party of Mexico
15. New Communist Party of the Netherlands
16. Communist Party of Norway
17. Palestinian Communist Party
18. Communist Party of Pakistan
19. Paraguayan Communist Party
20. Peruvian Communist Party
21. Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
22. Communist Party of Poland
23. Romanian Socialist Party
24. South African Communist Party
25. Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
26. Sudanese Communist Party
27. Communist Party of Swaziland
28. Communist Party of Sweden
29. Syrian Communist Party
30. Communist Party of Turkey
31. Union of Communists of Ukraine
No.542039
PUTLER NOOOOO
No.542041
Anyone know where I can read professional military analysis on Russia's strategy? Particularly on civilian casualties and the decision to start with a relatively weak invasion force and up the ante later.
No.542043
>>542033>russia doesn't have the resources for a protracted fightyes it is common knowledge that military superpowers can't do military operations for more than a few days
No.542047
>>542043Russia doesn't even ened to be in Ukraine in force, they can move out and just send rockets every day to commands posts.
No.542048
We are one manlet temper tantrum from the end of civilization
No.542050
>>542041Do you understand Chinese?
No.542051
>>542048It's what the West wants, they're practically daring Putin to do it.
No.542052
>>806762
social media and msm is becoming more and more a psyop for manufacturing consent everyday
No.542053
>>542050Not that guy, but no, but there is gtranslate.
No.542058
>>542042is that the Russian reddit?
No.542061
>>542050Unfortunately no, but what the other guy said. Get us a link pls
No.542062
>>542053Baidu translate won't help you understand videos on bilibili. But you can try guancha.cn for written articles.
No.542063
>>542051The whole fucking world is daring NATO to go in right now.
Instead of peace marches, it is pro war marches.
No.542064
>dipshit OP doesn't link new thread
>now there are two threads
No.542065
new thread is over here:
>>542032>>542032>>542032 No.542066
>>542035Is this western Free Speech I have heard so much about?
No.542067
>>542065fuck off with your low effort trash.
No.542069
>>542055Both of their communist parties are in the IMCWP and solidnet is the website of the international faggot
No.542070
>>542052The level of warmonger and hate against russia that is going on western medias is the most frightening thing about all of this. Seems to me like the the west is begging for a total war and the mobilization of every possible platform to silence dissenting voices is to be feared. You can now be censored for ever daring to move single criticism on Nato. Grim times are ahead of us.
No.542072
>>542065This OP is better. If I was the other OP I would delete it.
No.542076
>>542038Trash statement. Already debunked.
Also filled with trash parties. So "look at all these signatures" means nothing.
No.542077
>>542069solidnet is dominated by the KKE. where's the Cuba and DPRK statement on the solidnet? funny, how the only ones not mentioned are the only socialist ones. solidnet is sus, you fucking lib.
No.542078
>>542070Protect your Russian friends.
No.542079
>>542072You can't delete threads unless you are a mod.
No.542083
>>542072>>542073not to mention the other thread is full of imperialist propaganda
No.542084
>>542073Yeah I realized it only after I reported this one requesting a merge, and I feel too silly to double report and ask for the other thread to merge with this one. Someone else do it please.
No.542085
>>542037>>542043he talks about that at 16 minutes in. the major pain point is going to be microchips, as even russian-designed microchips are manufactured in taiwan which joined in the sanctions, so they'll be unable to replace a lot of the equipment they lose
No.542086
>>542033I watched this retarded shit and if this guys a Marxist he's a whining defeatist trot
Literally no analyst of note though the op would be done in 96 hours
Thesaker and Andrei Martyanov said it would take at least a week and Zelensky was letting criminals out of prison on day 4 (what all defeated regimes do)
Compare that dogshit "analysis" to The Durans analysis whereby
>If Russia wins it's the end of NATO>Sanctions will bite to begin with but the West has now gone to the top of the rung of sanctions. Theres nothing more they can do. In essence Russia is now free from the international system (IE.imperialism)>If Russia runs into any serious difficulty China will open up a lifeline to stabilise them >If Russia wins it's the end of "globalisation"(IE. Cosmopolitan global imperialist dictatorship) >If Russia holds out past the initial sanctions it can start to hold back precious metals, wheat and fertilisers from the international market causing inflation in imperialist core>Once the Russian Chinese alternative payment system to Swift is up and running it's the end of US dollar as global reserve currency. US can no longer print themselves to prosperity like they have done No.542087
>>542076What is wrong with the statement? It's solid as was the KKE's statement. KKE is also a member of IMCWP
No.542088
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.htmlThe Russian attack on Ukraine has prompted a flurry of activity among far-right European militia leaders, who have taken to the internet to raise funds, recruit fighters and plan travel to the front lines to confront the country’s invaders, according to a research group.
In recent days, militia leaders in France, Finland and Ukraine have posted declarations urging their supporters to join in the fight to defend Ukraine against a Russian invasion. The posts have been located and translated by the SITE Intelligence Group, a private organization that specializes in tracking extremist groups.
Rita Katz, the director of SITE, said that numerous far-right white nationalist and neo-Nazi groups throughout Europe and North America had expressed an outpouring of support for Ukraine, including by seeking to join paramilitary units in battling Russia.
The motivation to travel to Ukraine, she said, was to gain combat training. It was also ideologically-driven, she added, since these far right groups viewed the fight against Russia as a fight against communism, clinging to World War II historical narratives, and associating modern-day Russia and its president, Vladimir V. Putin, with the former Soviet Union.
“Instability in Ukraine offers white supremacy extremists the same training opportunities that instability in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria has offered jihadist militants for years,” said Ali Soufan, who heads The Soufan Group, which has been documenting for several years how the conflict in eastern Ukraine has emerged as an international hub of white supremacy.
“Civil wars and insurgencies frequently draw in outside volunteers; some may initially join for humanitarian purposes but still exacerbate and prolong the conflict and violence,” he said in a statement to the Times.
The apparent mobilization of far-right groups could be problematic for the Ukrainian government, playing into Mr. Putin’s depiction of Ukraine as a fascist country, and his false claim to be waging war against Nazis who control the government in Kyiv. In reality, Ukraine has a democratically elected government and its president, Volodymyr Zelensky, is Jewish.
Some of the activity appears to be centered on the Azov Battalion, a unit of the Ukrainian National Guard that has drawn far-right fighters from around the world, SITE said. That group came together following the first Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014 and saw action against pro-Russian militias.
In one declaration, posted this week on the messaging app Telegram, shortly before Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, a leader of the Azov Battalion’s political wing called for a “total mobilization” of the group, and pointed volunteers toward recruitment resources online.
Earlier this week, Carpathian Sich, a Ukrainian group, posted donation information to its Telegram channel, seeking money from its followers via PayPal, as well as with the Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Tron cryptocurrencies.
The same information was shared on several Finnish and French far-right sites, among them “OC,” a white nationalist site. This week, the group posted a pro-Ukraine statement on its Telegram channel, encouraging its subscribers to make donations to Carpathian Sich. A subsequent post said, “Just like the U.S.S.R., Putin will be defeated,” by aligning “French nationalists” with the Ukrainian people.”
Neo-Nazi and white supremacist Telegram users from Finland also encouraged fellow Finns to join the fight alongside Ukrainians, SITE reported. One post said, “the age-old duty of the Finns has been to wage war against the Russians.”
“Russia has always been persecuting us, and that snake will not drop until it knocks its head off,” said the post, according to SITE. “The best solution would be to make a collective surprise blow and knock out Moscow to the Stone Age.”
No.542089
AZOV WEBSITE IS DOWN
www.azov.gov.ua
Someone get screenshots from archives before they scrub the Neo-Nazi shit from their website.
No.542091
>>542084Unfortunately you cannot merge a newer thread into an older thread. The only option is to delete one.
No.542092
Can somebody link me sources about suspected saboteurs being arrested/executed in Ukraine?
No.542093
>>542091mods should just anchor the other one
No.542094
>>542063that little girl.. gifrel
>>542059liberalism was a full mistake.
No.542096
>>542091Bummer. Well there's not much worth salvaging in the other thread anyway if mods want to delete it.
No.542098
>>542075The mexican party is a rapist cult that is eating itself alive, in part because they physically threaten any ex-members that speak about the rampant sexual harassment. Ex-members have had their homes vandalized and rocks thrown to their windows. These are still communists, mind you.
Their only praxis was book clubs where they didn't even read any of the 3 books in their reading list, and making proclamations on issues larping as a state. We have parties that are larger and much better, but they aren't visible because they aren't funded by the KKE.
The only redeeming quality is their good international relations. Anyone would believe they are a relevant, non insane, non rapist party if they only looked at their publications on their website and social media.
No.542099
>>542086The Durans are just as dumb. A lot of what this guy was saying not long ago all turned false, he's just pulling shit out of his ass - when he's not reading RT articles out loud that is.
No.542101
>>542092It's so widespread you can find videos of it just by entering saboteurs into twitter
No.542102
>>542100Meant for >>806821
No.542104
Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?
Is it actually true or is it just Russian propaganda?
Why would there be a lot of Nazis in Ukraine of all places, why would the Russians care, and how much of the population would the Nazis make up?
No.542105
>>806821
>MasterCard and Visa to limit Russia operations.
Russia put the "mir" system in place in prevision of this
No.542106
>>542105Yes this won't hurt us in Russia or Belarus (I don't know if other countries have Mir)
No.542108
Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?
Is it actually true or is it just Russian propaganda?
Why would there be a lot of Nazis in Ukraine of all places, why would the Russians care, and how much of the population would the Nazis make up?
[Crossposting because I don't know which thread is the main one]
No.542109
>>542097Point is, Cuba, DPRK, Venezuela, Iran and Nicaragua support Russia in this, yet the statements from their communist parties are missing. HMMMMMMMMMMM
No.542111
> https://ria.ru/20220301/rossiya-1775677680.html> "No step back" - this was the order Stalin issued in 1942, when our army was again retreating from Kharkov and Donbas. But now the situation is completely different. It is us who are advancing, while West tries to isolate us.This "solution of Ukrainian question" guy who wrote an article intended for Russian victory came up with new wonderful thoughts.
No.542112
>>542108>[Crossposting because I don't know which thread is the main one]keep your retarded CIA talking points to this thread. Ukraine's Nazi problem is well documented, just search any western source, they've all written about it,
No.542113
>>806847
Here's your (You).
Rome was super based! Screenshot this and show it to your fbi.gov buddies.
I love Putin!!! I'm a marxist leninist putinist.
Go Pax Rusia!
No.542115
>>542108Just look at the history of ukraine of the last 8 years.
No.542116
Ка-52 вышли на охоту. Мариуполь
Ka-52 went hunting. Mariupol
https://twitter.com/vezhlivo/status/1498596111975653377 No.542117
>>542101I haven't found anything about saboteurs being executed tho
No.542118
>>542109The international represents the workers while the states represent first their own interests. Cuba and DPRK would not oppose Russia even if they were doing anti communist purges because their need for foreign support is an existential question. So they let the international speak.
No.542119
>>542113Tbf, Rome was very based for its times. Even tho all the roman larpers that came after were retarded.
No.542120
>>542108for the first two questions, a lot of info can be found here
>>>/leftypol_archive/537977 No.542121
Putin will win the war. Russia, Belarus, Ukraine and Abkhazia will merge into a new state.
No.542122
https://www.rt.com/business/550915-visa-mastercard-disconnect-russia/if anything this goes to show why globalisation is either going to start getting reversed due to imperialist posturing, or corporations will truly become extranational entities that don't serve any single country
nor pay taxes No.542123
>>542099Name one thing they've been wrong Duran has been wrong about ?
I've been following them a while and their general estimated trajectory of events has played out
No.542124
>>542121what about osetia
No.542125
>>542110This. EVERY SINGLE THREAD we have this discussion.
>>542104Go look in the last threads:
https://leftypol.org/leftypol_archive/catalog.htmlMaybe I'll make a thread just for Azov in the catalog so we can have one up for the rest of this we can point all these dipshits to.
No.542126
>>542123They support veganism.
No.542127
>>542124Ossetia will come along in a few years, Georgia will accept ceding Abkhazia first because they think they will keep Ossetia
No.542129
>>542128Should be spoilered but won't delete as the previews aren't too bad
No.542130
>>542104>Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?In 2014, Ukrainian government made Azov Battalion, a neo-nazi battalion whose insignia is a literal symbol from Nazi Germany's SS divisions, part of the National Guard. The former Azov commander is the police chief of Kiev, Azov was given lots of freedom to do policing in the Eastern and Southern parts of Ukraine. That is where the fiercest fighting is happening, wherever there are Nazis. This is because while rest of Ukrainians have nothing to fear, Ukrainian Nazis are fighting for their survival.
More info:
www.azov.org.ua
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Front_(Ukraine)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalistshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics_in_Ukrainehttps://www.newstatesman.com/international-content/2022/02/silence-wont-make-the-ukrainian-far-right-go-awayhttps://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/world/europe/militias-russia-ukraine.htmlhttps://www.euronews.com/2022/02/13/ukraine-far-right-group-offers-training-to-civilianshttps://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-reverses-ban-praise-ukraine-far-right-forces-2022-2?r=US&IR=T No.542132
>>542125There's plenty more Nazi groups in Ukraine besides azov. It appears azov has been thrust into the spotlight, no doubt due to their blatant use appropriation of the black sun.
There's also Right Sector, OUN, and Svboda
No.542133
>>542118>The international represents the workers while the states represent first their own interests.glow somewhere else
No.542134
>>542057Making Perestroika look like a short market dip
No.542135
>>542121Also Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan won't be directly annexed but the economic and military ties will be strengthened, making them more vassal-like
No.542136
>>542057Clap some Ukrainian nationalist cheeks.
No.542138
>>542098partido revolucionario de violadores™
No.542139
>>542131PARTY FOR UKRAINE WOOOOO
THIS NEXT MOLLY IS FOR YOUUUU
GONNA TALK TO ZELENSKY ON THE ASTRAL PLANE
SLAVA LSD
No.542140
>>542120Thanks, very informative
No.542144
>>542037You're assuming that this has been fought like a war. But officially this is a special operation, in other words, flexing muscle. Russia doesn't have enough manpower in Ukraine for either a blitz or deep battle, hence the shitshow that we got. Stop taking the hoi4 comparisons so serious mate and use your head.
No.542145
>>542130>This is because while rest of Ukrainians have nothing to fear, Ukrainian Nazis are fighting for their survival.Ukrainians yesterday were denazified by cluster ammunition, this is something I'd fear.
No.542147
>>806863Yeah yeah, whatever you say.
What was rome 2.0 btw? I want to understand how based this new Rome which I fully support because I, as a marxist leninist putinist, believe russia is communist (screenshot this too).
>>542120Based anon, answering the question again. I notice you, baby.
Lib friendly article:
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimeaNATO's defacto think tank:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline/>>542123Everything I've seen is good. Haven't seen much though.
>>542122>or corporations will truly become extranational entities that don't serve any single country nor pay taxesThat's basically already true.
>>542138jej
No.542148
>>542142Hmm, now what is it that Americans always say about protests blocking traffic like this?
No.542149
>>542141no shit, I'm beginning to think EDM, hardstyle, this basic untz untz untz techno shit being played in massive arena is a Western psyop.
No.542151
>>542145>Ukrainians yesterday were denazified by cluster ammunition, this is something I'd fear.Maybe the Ukrainian army should have evacuated the city blocks before putting their AA batteries next to them. funny how you libs are so ready to jump on the "Hamas hides among civilians so Israel has to indiscriminately bomb Gaza" narrative, yet when you have pictorial and video proof of Howitzers and soldiers in buildings around civilians it is LE EVIL RUSSIANS. fuck off back to reddit.
No.542152
To all the people who let Azov live rent free in your heads to the point you cheer on Russia recreating the Iraq war to crush it, could you answer how you resolve in your heads the fact that Russia is also full to the brim with ethnonationalist neonazies? Ya know, the ones who sometimes lynch central asian looking people, or go around making Czar Nicholas themed totally-not-Hitleryouth?
No.542153
>>542142And later on the mayor of the town comes publicly to say "we have to let in Russians" and stuff like that that you will never see in the "free" western world.
No.542155
>>542123"Scholz will get rid of Baerbock", a month or so ago
No.542157
>>542152Those are not in power in Russia. Howver, they are tolerated too much by the authorities.
No.542158
>>542152Wake up babe, time for Grillpilled Schizo to soyrage again
No.542160
>>542148Lets just say if this shit happened in Iraq we would be preparing for an ambush and have an extreme vigilance posture.
50,000 RPG's and missile launchers were just airdropped all over Ukraine like it was toys for tots. I would probably have ordered my driver to pop smoke and fire off some warning rounds and accelerate as slowly as possible to not smush the babooshkas.
This is also why you have foot mounted fucking infantry to pull security.
No.542161
>>542142Russian propaganda. I am told my Western media that Russians are indiscriminately massacring civilians. Liberals tell me Putin wants to genocide Ukrainians. This video is obviously filmed somewhere in Russia on a sound stage, real Russian soldiers would have driven over those people and made human mush, just like those commies in Tiananmen.
No.542162
>>542146It took you this long to figure out? We've been loudly and patiently spelling it out for you in 50+ threads.
It's not that socialism is no longer possible. Socialism has proven to be a deadly endeavor and impossible because of American hegemony.
Imagine wanting socialism anywhere in reality and not only in your imagination, what a crime! The important thing though, is that you managed to reach an ultra leftist position from which you can smugly look down on the "revisionists" and "right wing leftists" that actually want socialism in real life, while you wait for The Coming Insurrection Of Simultaneous and Totally Based Non-Revisionist International Socialism.
No.542164
>>806915
You said this 3 days ago yet here you are again.
No.542165
>>806821
>US expels diplomats from Russia’s UN missio
wait for real? can they do that? wasnt the whole point of having the GA in New York that the americans wouldnt do that??
No.542166
>>542147>What was rome 2.0 btw?Byzantine Empire
No.542167
Guys you know Russia bad right? You know NATOA based for bombing serbia right?
Totally not a glowie fellow anti imperialists
No.542168
>>806915
>I hope a nuclear war starts if only to see some idiots killed.
Geez, you're even worse than "I fully support Putin because anti-US" shitposters.
No.542169
>>806917>because they are probably Nazies,>>542130>literal Nazi propaganda on the official twitter of the Ukrainian National Guard<you're just exaggerating, they're not nazis!go fuck yourself.
No.542172
>>542096>Bummer. Well there's not much worth salvaging in the other thread anyway if mods want to delete it.actually, let's keep the two threads. the other one seems to be catching most of the imperialist propaganda and lib/reddit talking points. this one is actually keeping to posting relevant, up to date info
No.542173
>>542171Do you think you could make it larger, with more white space?
No.542175
Guys Putin bad, Serbia bad, NATO good
No.542176
>>542174Huh, wonder who made Chechnya such a shithole
No.542177
>>542175me too thanks for asking
No.542178
>>806915>>542152Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.
No amount of historical revisionism will change that.
Don't listen to hippy dippy "both sides bad" bullshit. NATO provoked war. Russia gave them
14 years of constant warnings and explicit red lines that should not be crossed.
14 years of warningsNo, I don't support invasions, which is why NATO should have fucking took Russia's 14 years of constant warnings seriously. They should have taken Georgia seriously.
NATO shills blaming this on Russia are fucking ignorant, right wingers, or insane.
A western chauvinist agrees with me, so should you:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4 No.542180
>>542145Cluster munitions? No. Assuming you are the asshole spreading propaganda yesterday your buzzterm is incorrect, the sound in the video was artillery. Very few Ukrainians have been killed by Russian fire, most of the strikes are targeted on key military installations. More Ukrainians have been killed by the Ukrainian forces, including that missile that hit the apartment building we saw pictures of. We can see quite clearly on the otherhand the barbaric murder of innocent civilians by official Ukrainian military units and criminals they released from prison and gave guns to. I have talked to actual Ukrainians that are under occupation. They tell me the Russians were very polite and went out of their way to not disrupt the Ukrainian civilians. The guys on snake island? As we all saw none were hurt, they surrendered peacefully after the Russian artillery dick waving and recieved blankets and water as they left the island. Meanwhile Azov psychos round up "sabbateurs" to execute or shoot them did in the street, as they have been doing since fucking euromaidan some 8 years ago, when they burned those people hiding in the church alive. Civilians try and leave or refuse to die shooting at the Russians? they are dragged out of their cars and shot in the head right there, we all saw that video with the woman screaming as they drag them out of the car. Was she raped before or after the bullet? Who knows. The only proper response is gunfire.
No.542182
>>542179That's why nigas hoping for a nuclear war
No.542183
>>542176Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
No.542187
>>542181I am amazed at the restraint shown by Russian troops in
the Ukraine. If shit like this would have happened in other conflicts, I doubt the soldiers would have been that passive.
No.542189
>>542132Aidar, Donbass, Dnipro-1 too. Azov is just particularly infamous and additionally became sort of a propaganda and neonazi outreach outfit
No.542193
>>542133no FSBro I'm staying there
No.542195
>>542187US soldiers in Iraq were given specific orders to run over any civilian that was in front of their cars and trucks. There are some testimonies by soldiers/drivers who said their commanding officer would put a gun to their head and told them to drive in the event that they refused the order. The fear was "suicide bombers" and getting a column full of Americans stuck in an urban environment. Yes, it would have been different if this was just another US conflict.
No.542197
>>806951
Get out faggot.
No.542198
This thread is anchored btw the other one is where everyone is
No.542203
>>542155the extent of your criticism of Duran is they got wrong a prediction in the German government?
lol
No.542205
>>542195Jesus wtf. America maybe if you weren't evil rape gremlins people wouldn't resist so feircely. Officer probably wouldn't shoot right? But you would be fired and some other guy with less moral backbone would take your place. All in all the situation makes it easy to be passively evil.
No.542206
>>542167Where in my posts have I ever said NATO good? NATO is the same type of awful empire as Russia. Differance is, at this type NATO isn't actively conducting a fucking invasion.
No.542207
>>542186this shit seems directly targeted at pissing off lib-anarchists in the west lol
No.542208
Urgent! Joint Statement of Communist and Workers’ Parties, No to the imperialist war in Ukraine!http://www.solidnet.org/article/Urgent-Joint-Statement-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-No-to-the-imperialist-war-in-Ukraine/
>The Communist and Workers’ Parties signing this Joint Statement are opposed to the imperialist conflict in Ukraine, which constitutes one of the consequences of the tragic situation for the peoples shaped after the overthrow of socialism and the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Both the bourgeois and the opportunist forces, which for years have fought against the USSR and recently celebrated the 30th anniversary of its dissolution, silencing the fact that the restoration of capitalism meant the dismantling of historic workers’ and people’s achievements and brought the peoples of the USSR back to the era of class exploitation and imperialist wars, are completely exposed.
>The developments in Ukraine, which are taking place in the framework of monopoly capitalism, are linked to the US, NATO, and EU plans and their intervention in the region in the context of their fierce competition with capitalist Russia for the control of the markets, raw materials, and transport networks of the country. These pursuits are concealed by imperialist powers, which are in conflict promoting their own pretexts such as “defending democracy”, “self-defence”, and one’s right to “choose their alliances”, the compliance with the UN or OSCE principles, or supposedly “fascism”, while deliberately detaching fascism from the capitalist system that gives rise to and utilizes it.
>We denounce the activity of fascist and nationalist forces in Ukraine, anti-communism and the persecution of communists, the discrimination against the Russian-speaking population, the armed attacks of the Ukrainian government against the people in Donbas. We condemn the utilization of reactionary political forces of Ukraine, including fascist groups, by the Euro-Atlantic powers for the implementation of their plans. In addition, the anti-communist rhetoric against Lenin, the Bolsheviks, and the Soviet Union to which the Russian leadership resorts to justify its own strategic plans in the region, is unacceptable. However, nothing can tarnish the enormous contribution of socialism in the Soviet Union, which was a multinational union of equal Socialist Republics.
>The decision of the Russian Federation to initially recognize the “independence” of the so-called “Peoples’ Republics” in Donbas and then to proceed to a Russian military intervention, which is taking place under the pretext of Russia’s “self-defence”, the “demilitarization” and “defascistization” of Ukraine, was not made to protect the people of the region or peace but to promote the interests of Russian monopolies in Ukrainian territory and their fierce competition with Western monopolies. We express our solidarity with the communists and the peoples of Russia and Ukraine and we stand on their side to strengthen the struggle against nationalism, which is fostered by each bourgeoisie. The peoples of both countries, who lived in peace and jointly thrived in the framework of the USSR, as well as all other peoples have no interest in siding with one or another imperialist or alliance that serves the interests of the monopolies.
>We highlight that the illusions fostered by bourgeois forces claiming that there could be a “better security architecture” in Europe by EU intervention, NATO “without military plans and aggressive weapon systems in its territory”, a “pro-peace EU”, or a “peaceful multipolar world”, etc are highly dangerous. All these assumptions have nothing to do with reality and are misleading for the anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist struggle, seeking to cultivate the perception that “peaceful imperialism” may exist. However, the truth is that NATO and the EU, like any capitalist transnational union, are predatory alliances with a deeply reactionary nature that cannot become pro-people and will continue to act against workers’ and people’s rights and the peoples; that capitalism goes hand in hand with imperialist wars.
>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.
>The interest of the working class and the popular strata requires us to strengthen the class criterion for analyzing the developments, to chart our own independent path against monopolies and bourgeois classes, for the overthrow of capitalism, for the strengthening of the class struggle against imperialist war, for socialism, which remains as timely and necessary as ever.1. Algerian Party for Democracy and Socialism
2. Communist Party of Azerbaijan
3. Party of Labour of Austria
4. Communist Party of Bangladesh
5. Communist Party of Belgium
6. Communist Party in Denmark
7. Communist Party of El Salvador
8. Communist Party of Finland
9. Communist Party of Greece
10. Communist Party of Kurdistan-Iraq
11. Workers Party of Ireland
12. Socialist Movement of Kazakhstan
13. Socialist Party of Latvia
14. Communist Party of Mexico
15. New Communist Party of the Netherlands
16. Communist Party of Norway
17. Palestinian Communist Party
18. Communist Party of Pakistan
19. Paraguayan Communist Party
20. Peruvian Communist Party
21. Philippines Communist Party [PKP 1930]
22. Communist Party of Poland
23. Romanian Socialist Party
24. South African Communist Party
25. Communist Party of the Workers of Spain
26. Sudanese Communist Party
27. Communist Party of Swaziland
28. Communist Party of Sweden
29. Syrian Communist Party
30. Communist Party of Turkey
31. Union of Communists of Ukraine
Put the link in the International response section for the next thread please and for the analysis section there is that:
https://www.brookings.edu/research/enlarging-nato-a-questionable-idea-whose-time-has-come/https://ips-dc.org/the_costs_and_dangers_of_nato_expansion/ No.542209
>>806946
>bellingcat
It immediately reeks of propaganda because they push pro NATO lies and yes have been caught not only saying incorrect things but obviously lying. Something something fool me once.
No.542213
NATO IS DEPLOYED
HOLY SHIT
NATO DEPLOYED
No.542214
>>542194Indeed, thanks for complementing it.
It's baby steps with these people. First you need to convince them that maybe Putin is not suffering from schizophrenia or that Putin in fact is not of the Canis familiaris species with a bad case of rabies. That alone is hard enough.
No.542215
>>542186This is a farce, Russia is on the opposite side of history this time.
No.542217
>>542186Antifascism is the worst product of fascism
No.542223
>>542206>Differance is, at this type NATO isn't actively conducting a fucking invasion.Wrong.
They are conducting political invasion. Couping everyone they fucking damn please and installing their own puppet states.
You seem to implicitly support the US/EU/NATO invasion of Ukraine simply because it wasn't as bloody. Despite the fact that it put fascists in power and implemented deadly ethno-nationalist policies. I guess thats fine because Our Troops were kept safe. Velvet invasion.
No.542225
>>542219Your images says there are not involved in any invasion. China also does support the African Union btw
No.542226
Another Saboteur Family with a Saboteur dog succesfully neutralized by our boys in green!
https://twitter.com/nukesn_missiles/status/1498406603674079242 No.542227
>>542224>Entire Communist and anti-imperialist block is behind RussiaNot even KPRF fully supports this, a lot of communist parties condemn this invasion while acknowledging NATO's role. But they are imperialists' dogs because they don't support invasions to other countries.
No.542228
>>542224>Entire Communist and anti-imperialist block is behind Russiaa bit too obvious
No.542229
>>542225one could say that the invasion/occupation of iraq is ongoing given that the place never truly stabilised after the old government was killed off
No.542231
>>542104>Where does the "Ukrainian Nazis" claim come from?The document here
>>542046 goes into the various Nazi groups in Ukraine and how they're integrated into the military. A bunch of the Nazis are currently being surrounded in Mariupol which is one of their main bases.
Also this was a recruiting tent in Kharkov that got blown up a few hours ago.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(symbol) No.542232
>>542220Read Auschwitz, or the Great Alibi.
No.542239
>>542183OMG, could you not do that please? Using his real name is now prohibited in the West, please use the politically correct "Voldermort Putler". Thanks for your service sweaty :)
No.542240
>France: “EU will wage total economic & financial war against Russia.”https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1498573660591955969When i keep saying all hands are on deck there's a reason.
No.542241
>>542226Okay shitter, even if its true, consider the following:
>Wouldn't have happened without the invasion>At the same time Russia is shelling civilian areasNo matter how hard you seethe, you will never be the "good guy" in this conflict.
No.542242
>>542211buncha fucking high school bullies.
No.542243
>>542229Not NATO but US lead intervention. NATO did Afghanistan however
No.542244
>>542186Absolute epic meme, thank you Putin.
No.542245
>>542210That shit isn't going to work here buddy. They were smugly shelling DPR/LPR in the days leading up to the invasion. I saw a video the other day where Ukrainian neonazis are firing rockets into a Russian speaking Ukrainian village and laughing, then the aftermath: A woman arriving back at the village screams and curses because her children are dead. So when you carry water for these subhumans I laugh and close the corners of my eyes a little, like a human would. I don't get mad, you are only showing you true colours. I listen patiently instead. The word Azov must empty the gun. All reptillian nazi scum must hang, and all those that would knowingly protect them from righteous judgement can keep them company. No fellow human being, a most noble creature, may suffer to live under fascist tyrany.
No.542247
>>806917
>IDF-tier
you aren't sending your best
No.542249
>>542241You should fuck off to reddit. How the fuck can you unironically support nazis and Nato?
Wanna be against Russia? Acceptable but now you are exaggerating with the contrarianism
No.542251
>>807021
Fuck off nato shill
No.542252
>>807021
stop ban evading
No.542254
>>542046nice, should be added to every OP
No.542255
>>807015
Hoo boy that's some goalpost shifting.
No.542256
>>542251If I support Belgium and don't want it to be raped by Germany in WW1, am I an anglo Entante shill?
No.542257
>>542238I'm a retard, pls explain this to me. Does this mean Nato's gonna wage war against Russia? Is this actually WWIII?
No.542259
>>542249Did you hear about Wagner group? Task Force Rusich? Sparta battalion? Islamist units integrated into Russian military? This nazi argument is really getting annoying, you are ignoring civilians being killed because there are some nazis on the "other side".
No.542260
>>542252>>542251The only way to consistently march towards communism is to defend yourself through truth. Censorship is a reactionary lie.
No.542261
>>542186Putin literally recreating Comintern to own the libs lol.
No.542262
>>542225>Your images says there are not involved in any invasion.of course it doesn't, you dolt. what's happening now is also not an "invasion", but a "special military operation" similar to "advisory and capacity-building mission" or "operations in Kosovo". read between the lines
No.542264
>>542199who tf is drawing porn of the russian side
r34??
No.542265
>>542259No ignoring because there's Nato on the other side.
Also most civilians are being killed by Nato lapdogs.
Obviously some gonna get killed because it's a war. But Russians are being million times more moderate than anything Nato ever did since it bombed Serbia. Which you faggot probably supported too
No.542266
>>542250The US can either continue into irreversible decline or gamble like the English and manoeuvre the world into a world war
No.542267
>>542190I wanna fuck her
#Anti-fascism #AunTifa #Italy
No.542268
>>542239> "Voldermort Putler"Vlademort
No.542269
>>542250The U.S. was forged in the crucible of insurrection, has been at war for the past 93% of it's existence, purged the indigenous population, fought the Spanish invaders to steal the land that they stole from the natives, fought the French to steal the land they stole from the natives, then fought itself to consider humans worthy of not being enslaved.
Its never going to change. Our civilian populace owns over 50% of the entire planets guns.We have like 500 military bases around the world, 13 nuclear powered aircraft carrier fleets, we sell F-35's and Patriot missile systems to every Arab who owns an oil pump.
The U.S. has wanted this war for a long time now.
No.542270
>>542266Yet more evidence the US hegemony must be destroyed.
No.542272
>>807021
Mods=Gods.
Keep on the good work jannies.
No.542273
>>542269Correction, there are only 11 aircraft carriers.
No.542274
>>542107I'd guess rear echelon troops with gear that they weren't really intended to ever need
>>542245I think the hohols stepped the shelling up during the negotiations to goad Russia into invading
No.542275
>>542272We need to do our part and report posts too.
No.542276
>>807021
Are you speaking of supporting Kiev or the Ukrainian people, because one is not like the another.
No.542277
This is not a game retards people are dying
No.542278
>>542264Does this count as porn to you? how prudish.
No.542279
https://nitter.net/ASBMilitary/status/1498610240631324674#mPoland will not be sending any jets to ukrainian airspace. NATO will not enter the conflict.
No.542280
>>542277so? People are dying all over.
No.542281
>>542186fuck me man
putin is memeing hard, especially when is himself a porky and oppresses other communists
like this confirms it that he was behind those 2016 meme shit on the internet
No.542283
>>542279Statements are just statements, let's see what happens tomorrow and hope we are still all alive.
No.542284
>>542278no ti's called having a better nut to game ratio
but like isn't it not some preview of porn?
like she's got massive jugs, i imagine that artist also has edits of her getting fucked
btw i would like to research that, y'know
war time information and effects on people during it because of social media
that's the title of my dissertation
No.542285
>>542253That's true. Thanks for reminding me. Not to mention all their other placements which are basically defacto invasions. But the government even demands them gone but they can't do anything.
No.542288
You can't do anything to fight the Russian oligarchs in Russia, but you can resist imperialists at home. You want your country to be defeated, because it is those kinds of moments that help create the conditions for a revolution. The French Revolution and the Russian Revolution happened on the heels of a major military defeat of their own countries. As communists we should be against war between capitalist states, because workers suffer, but if war happens we need to seize the opportunity. This means spreading truth about NATO, resisting your country joining in the war, sabotaging efforts to send military aid to Ukraine, holding anti-war protests (not anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine ones), "NO WAR BUT CLASS WAR" is a good slogan for these times.
No.542289
>>542277It would take literally 30 minutes to make it stop. Retards at Nato keep pushing. Putin had no choice
No.542291
Embedding error.
>>807067
>The manlet Fuhrer started a conventional war in such a way as to be as similar as possible to Hitler in the eyes of the whole world.
Yupp. Putin does everything because of how you'll react to it Starbucks lib. The whole world and perhaps universe revolves around you.
No.542293
>>807067
> in the eyes of the whole world
White hands wrote this post. The Global South has no opinion or is even cheering on Russia.
No.542294
Ignorance of history does not absolve you of being a NATO shill.
Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.
No amount of historical revisionism will change that.
Don't listen to hippy dippy "both sides bad" bullshit. NATO provoked war. Russia gave them
14 years of constant warnings and
explicit red lines that should not be crossed, with explicit actions they would take if those red lined were crossed.
14 years of warningsNo, I don't support invasions, which is why NATO should have fucking took Russia's 14 years of constant warnings seriously. They should have taken Georgia seriously. They shouldn't have politicially invaded Ukraine by fueling a coup, helping the US/NATO-friendly fascist get installed in the government, trained the nazi battalions, and flooded the country with guns and military equipement.
NATO shills blaming this on Russia are ignorant, right wingers, insane, or a combination of those.
A western chauvinist agrees with me, so should you:
https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4There is NO reason to be a NATO shill.
spoiler, the US did take Russia's redlines seriously, and knowingly provoked war. That was the end game. Ukraine was never going to join NATO. They understood perfectly what Russia communicated for 14+ years and used it as a guidelines to instigate this invasion.Back in 2008, the year George W. Bush fatefully badgered reluctant European leaders into pledging future NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns sent a memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice that included this warning:Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all red lines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.So it wasn't even 14 years, it was even more than that. The US has been purposefully pushing Russia into war well before 2008. No.542295
>>542274>I think the hohols stepped the shelling up during the negotiations to goad Russia into invadingThat was my understanding as well. To be clear I don't think the invasion was a good idea and I don't think it was decided for egalitarian reasons either. Russia is doing better than I thought they would and I am hoping they "win" soon so that the conflict and suffering ends, NATO doesn't get much, and then let's see if we will have a massive program of denazification as promised and trials for neonazis, perhaps even exposing the west's involvement with them. Hopefully the Russian and Ukrainian communists can step up to the plate as well.
No.542296
oh, some Agent Kochinskiite trolls have entered the chat
No.542302
>>542300>if you punch me I will punch you back*punches him*
*gets punched*
>i fucking told you<waaah no agencyFucking retard.
No.542305
>>542297As predicted
Also import substitution confirmed in Russia by Mishustin
No.542306
>>542304<The Ghost of LeningradFixed
No.542307
Anything on Ziellinsky being more than a puppet and into a full-on Nazi? The shit with Azov started with Poroschenko and it's something he obviously continued but it also looks like he's utterly subservient to the US who are probably more than willing to threaten his life.
No.542308
>>542302пример на уровне детского сада
But in reality it's like someone punching themselves and saying you made them do it.
No.542309
>>542303This war is spilling over all boundaries and borders.
*slides you an RPG*
Hit the fucking museum now soldier!
No.542310
>>542299Careful with this line friend, if you give the Ukranians more agency than NATO here it's the Ukranians who got into bed with actual literal Nazis not NATO which is obviously false right?
No.542311
>>542307Zelinsky has a better chance of survival if he gets captured by the Russians than with fellow hohols.
No.542312
>>542307Zelensky is Jewish and has relatives who died in the Holocaust. It's laughably doubtful that he's a full-on Nazi, however much his government's tried to use them to its own ends.
No.542313
>>542309>New YorkI'd hit bomb that shit for less honestly.
No.542314
>>542308>Ukraine is part of Russia >Russia invading Ukraine is punching itselfIs that really what you want to say?
It's a baby example because your complaint of not having agency is bullshit. I'm not in favor of invasion, but they warned for 14+ years and the US kept pushing. In Spanish we have a saying,
"Bajo aviso no hay engaño"
"When a notice is given, there is no treachery".
No.542315
>>542294If this is the case, then why have Russia invade Ukraine at all? Wouldn't it be more beneficial to have the Russians engage in gunboat diplomacy and have the Ukraine recognise the DPR and LPR?
NATO advancing onto Russia is well within a cause for alarm, but Russia's invasion seems to have only emboldened NATO, with Finland asking to join.
No.542316
>>542312i think he's obviously just a wanna-be lib, but the power balance is such that he had to bend to ukronazis and US hardline agenda
No.542317
>>542146Western leftist here. It is depressing to no end to be one here. People are brainwashed so deeply, that they have literal NPC reactions to the mere mention of the spooky scary term "socialism", let alone communism. Even (former) friends, teachers, professors, who I've considered fairly intelligent get this kind of reaction. All scientific principles, they may have adhered to through their education get thrown out the window, while making all kinds of logical fallacies in such conversations. It's like they are programmed. Whenever there is a crisis that is obviously a consequence of capitalism's crontradictions, we, our communist parties and organisations, are unable to even capitalise a little bit on them. People are much more willing to consider brainwormed conspiracy theories of some scapegoated minority supposedly causing all problems, as opposed to logically look at the actual root of the issues. Almost all Westerners are completely unable of even basic critical thinking. They may have higher education, skills and degrees, but they are consistently the most stupid people I've ever interacted with. Every poor minority person, working "low-skill" labour that never even heard of marxism, are much more class conscious, show solidarity, empathetic and generally nicer in comparison. Westerners only drift evermore into rabid reaction in comparison. When I researched socialist history over the last century, this seems like a consistent issue with Westerners, which has only gotten worse over time. The workers movement has been completely gone before I was even born, while the workers now don't show desire to even consider risisting capital, while things get materially ever worse. No, instead they worship people like Elon Musk, no matter how often he proves to be a grifter and a disgusting exploiter. They worship internet celebrities and still think they might become rich someday, no matter how clearly reality disproves any such prospects.
I can somewhat understand, when Western leftists here react the way they do. It's really hard to cope with this dystopian hellhole. They are still wrong in what they're doing of course. But even with me spite towards the (Western) ruling class is the biggest thing keeping me alive at this point.
No.542318
>>542315*should clarify, this isn't a sort of "uhm ackshually ur wrong* I'm genuinely curious.
No.542319
>>542310At this point I barely recognize reality and am starting to question my own sanity.
Flight of the Valkyries meets surface to air duck hunt.
No.542320
>>542315Because German spastics were already gibbering about NS2 sanctions during the troop build up. I think RF just sees the writing on the wall and is getting ahead of it.
No.542321
>>542317This will be the case until their/our way of life hits the floor hard. The average Russian wasn't a communist or socialist in 1910 nor in 1915 nor in 1917 for that matter, yet millions started to fight for socialism over night.
No.542322
>>542318Not just you, the Chinese are surprised Russia actually invaded instead of using the threat of force to force concessions.
No.542323
So what are the odds that Zelensky isn't on some ART OF THE DEAL shit and actually won't concede on the Crimea?
It would surprise me if he did that tbh bc that would be fucking psychotic but then again he also requested EU membership so who fucking knows at this point lmao
No.542325
>>542294>On June 26, a group of 50 prominent foreign policy experts that included former senators, retired military officers, diplomats and academicians, sent an open letter to President Clinton outlining their opposition to NATO expansion. Stanley Resor, chairman of the Board of Directors of the Arms Control Association, spoke at the press conference announcing the letter, focusing on the arms control implications of expansion. Resor's remarks and the group's letter are printed below.
<We, the undersigned, believe that the current U.S.led effort to expand NATO, the focus of the recent Helsinki and Paris Summits, is a policy error of historic proportions. We believe that NATO expansion will decrease allied security and unsettle European stabilityhttps://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion>also pic related No.542326
>>542314>Is that really what you want to say?Why not? The justification for the war is exactly like this, and it's not without reason. You're Spanish so maybe you don't understand a lot of the history between Russia and Ukraine. This war certainly doesn't feel like punching evil NATO in the face to the Russian speaking soldiers shooting other Russian speaking soldiers. As for agency, how is it bullshit? What's the excuse for making a geopolitical blunder?
No.542327
>>542295Before the invasion, there were 18 cease-fire agreement breaches all along the LPR/DPR borders. After LPR and DPR declared independence, Ukraine military ramped up shelling of civilian cities, hitting schools, killing children and teachers.
https://www.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsTodayThis guy has been on the ground from the start, and you can see videos of damage (and dead civilians) from Ukrainian shelling.
No.542328
>>542325Seems like Generals are generally more against this war than journalists. I think they know Nato fucked up
No.542330
>>542322One of the theories on Chinese internet is that there were some nuclear threats made against Russia. Apparently the US military secretly moved tactical nuclear weapons into the Ukraine without presidential approval but withdrew them promptly after Biden found out.
No.542331
>>542329MEGA BASEDRussia should nationalise all Western companies on their soil.
No.542332
>>542329This is seizure of foreign assets. Very good, now start seizing private property of all the billionaires who oppose the war.
No.542333
>>542329In for a penny, in for a pound….Ruble…Yen…petrol Bitcoin
No.542334
>>542332>Very good, now start seizing private property of all the billionaires who oppose the war.Hugo Junkers moment
No.542335
>>542330Why the fuck would the us military do that? If i was a rational US president i would chop the motherfuckers head off as soon as i'd found out
No.542336
>>542335Why would the kwantung army stage a false flag to manufacture an excuse to invade China?
No.542337
>>542330And the missile defense complex in Poland is supposed to come online later this year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_missile_defense_complex_in_Poland No.542338
>>542329>>542331Between this and rona this really is the end of globalism as we have known it these past three decades
No.542339
>>542315I agree with you. I also find the invasion surprising and I don't understand the full extent of the reasoning.
And I know you don't mean it as a rebuttal, not taking it as such, I just want to reiterate how this is US/NATOs doing, and were well aware of what this could lead to, which they successfully managed to accomplish, which is a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
>>542326>This war certainly doesn't feel like punching evil NATO in the face to the Russian speaking soldiers shooting other Russian speaking soldiers. It wasn't Russian soldiers that decided to invade Ukraine. I'm not morally justifying invasion. I am appalled and deeply saddened by it. I am latin american and I try to contextualize this conflict as a deadly war between fraternal countries, like those in LATAM. I find it absolutely harrowing, and extremely tragic. My country has been at war with itself for many years. A single death of a family member is a serious tragedy. Growing up with daily deaths being reported on the news is extremely tragic. I understand this.
I am not pro-invasion, I invite you to read my posts with this in mind.
No.542341
>>542322Huh, the more you know.
No.542342
>>542294>Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.It isn't though, is it. This is a sleight of hand to remove agency from Russia, turning "Russia made the most reasonable choice available to them under the circumstances" into "Russia had no choice." so as to bolster the anti-NATO argument by presenting NATO as the only ones who could've avoided the present situation, even though it's remarkably obvious that Russia had as much if not greater capacity to do so. (This is true even if you believe it would've imposed unacceptably high costs on Russia, making it an 'unrealistic' option.)
Equally, we might say that Ukraine could've minimized invasion by surrendering before most troops had crossed the border. My aim here is not so much to argue for a side, which I don't care about, as it is to push a certain way of thinking about agency. Or perhaps to get people thinking about agency at all - NATO, Russia, Ukraine, all could've stopped the invasion at the expense of some interest or other - but nobody in these threads could've stopped it, or started it for that matter. They are the people without agency, and seeking identity in a foreign conflict, they often find themselves anthropomorphizing their chosen side, stripping it of agency so as to better reflect themselves.
which isn't a personal accusation, i just thought that sounded cool. No.542345
>>542339>It wasn't Russian soldiers that decided to invade Ukraine.Damn you're dense. I know it wasn't Russian soldiers. But you seem to think the order was given by the Pentagon? If only the Russian army had a chain of command that we could trace to find out who is really giving the orders…
No.542347
>>542339So basically they waved the bait and Putin bit it.
I don't know whether to be impressed by NATO's bond level of villainy, or further infuriated by Putin's trigger discipline.
No.542348
>>542338Finally for fucks sake. I know my globohomo is /pol/ shit but globoamericano is real shit and i was tired of it.
No.542349
>>542340>These people just walking around the street.Crazy.
No.542350
>>542294Based post
Clear out all the faggot "both sides" trot rats
No.542351
>>542329This seems rather berserk. Is seizing foreign capital based? Yes. But is it a fucking retard move? Yes. I highly doubt anyone outside of maybe China will do any sort of business with Russia again if this is real.
No.542352
>>542346>It worked.I wonder if the autotargeting on those rockets will try going for the higher ones first when they have multiple possible targets.
No.542353
>>542349saboteurs obv be sus
No.542354
>>542351>This seems rather berserk. Is seizing foreign capital based? Yes. But is it a fucking retard move? Yes. I highly doubt anyone outside of maybe China will do any sort of business with Russia again if this is real.Damn, how do we get you into Putin's cabinet? You could really turn that country around.
No.542355
>>542294>Reminder this is entirely US/NATOs fault.This is the fault of capitalism. US/NATO are one of its agents.
No.542356
>>807147
I totally agree with your anti-imperialist point!
No.542358
>>807147
wow thank you for your insightful critical analysis
No.542359
>>807147
based, fuck voldemeort putler
No.542361
>>542208Based beyond belief - neither Putinoids and NATO shills will never be relevant in left wing politics.
No.542363
>>542343As ASBMilitary put it; Russia was never going to be able to compete. The western anti-Russia hysteria has been going on for years and they control all major global social media
I am surprised they banned RT and Sputnik, it shows how afraid they are of alternative narratives
Western liberalism is weak and just like the Russian bourgeoisie they have no solution to the global crises in the world other than brutal resource wars and imperialism (The "green" politics of westoids would mean stealing all of the worlds supply for several critical resources for themselves)
No.542364
>>542343In the short term, yes. In the long term I highly doubt it.
No.542366
>>542357Ukrainian army is surely psychopathic
No.542367
>>807147
>Great man theory
>Psychologizing
Okay lib
No.542369
>>542342>>542345Shut the fuck up about agency.
What NATO did amounts to a declaration of war to Russia, and Russia gave them 14+ years to retract. Instead, they doubled down.
Russia fucking said:
DONT FUCKING DO THIS, OR IT WILL BE WAR.
AND THEY FUCKING DID EVERY FUCKING POINT OF THE LIST.
Fuck off about agency.
Here it goes again:
Rusia said, 14+ years ago, "do this and it's war"
NATO has been doing it since then. And when Russia complains, they call them a rogue state and mad dogs, then they double down and do more of it.
How do you NATO shills incorporate this into your belief system?
No.542370
>>542368it's pretty obvious that it's Ukraine, Russia is there to demilitarize Ukraine, they'd hardly achieve that by sending in artillery, a type of military unit.
No.542371
>>542368Search this thread, everybody will tell you that this is Ukrainian army killing civilians, Russians clearly stated that they only want to destroy military infrastructure.
No.542372
>>542369They promised as far back as 1991 they wouldn't do this
https://t.me/rian_ru/146116 No.542374
>>542329MUH DIVIDENDIES
>>542342You have to look back to Euromaidan, that's when this war started. It is US/NATO's fault.
>>542343So far, yes, but that's all they have. The entire damn West is pretending Ukraine is a hapless victim of a foreign despot, but the longer this goes on, the less this is tenable. I don't want to jinx it, but I think America stepped in it. We might soon see the point when world opinion turns on America in a manner analogous to how America's opinion on cops turned in 2020.
No.542375
>>542342>by presenting NATO as the only ones who could've avoided the present situation, even though it's remarkably obvious that Russia had as much if not greater capacity to do so<Why didn't Russia just remove NATO bases and equipment from EU countries?socdem asking the real questions
No.542376
>>542372NATO defenders excuse breaking promises with "IT WAS NEVER WRITTEN DOWN", which just means the dishonorable NATO westoids are never to be trusted.
No.542379
>>542317>Every poor minority person, working "low-skill" labour that never even heard of marxism, are much more class conscious, show solidarity, empathetic and generally nicer in comparison.Ok so are they not westerners? Are you talking about only the middle class and upper class or what?
No.542380
>>542371At this point this could be fucking gang members. Is it azov regiment? Very likely. But this has clearly fallen far beyond some clean cut force-on-force.
No.542381
>>542363Interesting isn't it
The west has unprecedented capability in English speaking internet
Social media is quite literally the framework of intelligence services yet they still had to ban RT and Sputnik
No.542382
>>542378Wait till you learn that Kaisers Germany was an in-kind planned economy during WW1
No.542383
>>542321 Idiot. When way of life hits the floor, fascism rises. The only way socialism happens here is through technological advancement and reform.
No.542384
>>542369zero engagement with the actual content of the post, immediate jumping to conclusions based on shibboleths. an object-example of internet brainworms.
alas, you do not have the agency to prevent me from talking about agency, while i have the agency to follow through or not follow through on my threat to continue posting. (i will probably follow through, but might get bored.)
>>542374That may be true, but fault finding is not particularly interesting when a war is going on. Much more fun to try to teach abstract personal lessons.
>>542375Unsatisfied with the content of my post, i see you have decided to substitute words that aren't in it, which you'd like to be in it.
Particularly when the implication of the words that are actually in it suggests a more "unreasonable" question:
<Why didn't Russia just surrender?Which is of course, the wrong question, because the actual emphasis would be on
<Russia had the choice to surrenderLeading neatly into the final conclusion:
<Russia had the choice to fight or to surrender, (you) have no choice either way, and seek to feel closer to Russia by projecting your own lack of choices onto it. No.542385
>>542186It seems Russia is moving its PR chips on war against nazis. The foreign ministry openly called the Kyiv government nazi.
No.542386
>>542361>We call on the peoples of the countries whose governments are involved in the developments, especially through NATO and the EU but also Russia, to struggle against the propaganda of the bourgeois forces that lure the people to the meat grinder of imperialist war using various spurious pretexts. To demand the closure of military bases, the return home of troops from missions abroad, to strengthen the struggle for the disengagement of the countries from imperialist plans and alliances such as NATO and the EU.You will get called a Putinoid shill if you advocate for your country to get out of NATO or for the EU to demilitarise. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall by now, I don't know what to tell you. Being against both NATO and Putin is seen in the West as being pro-Putin. NATO/EU/West and their lapdog media have assumed the stance of "you're either with us, or you're against us". Look how long it took for European media to start reporting on the Indians and Africans beaten by the border, but the world already handed out medals and created memorial days for the people "who died on Snake Island".
>Marx flag>complete disregard for material reality>clinging to idealist notionstake it off, poser.
"You can't be neutral on a moving train." - Howard Zinn
No.542387
>>542384>That may be true, but fault finding is not particularly interesting when a war is going on. Much more fun to try to teach abstract personal lessons.Well it is our duty to educate away the disinfo Porky teaches people.
No.542389
>>542386Its insane how opposed to demilitarization people are in the west
They don't realize they are going to be paying for this proxy war and that hundreds of thousands of ukrainians will die
>but mordor will winAs if that would be worse than prolonging this for months or years
No.542390
>>542384I read your post now. I see what you mean.
I'm fighting a holy war against NATO shills on leftypol while I'm at work. Your post started with a common NATO shill point, but then it was rescued.
My apologies.
Nuance is dead. It's impossible to have nuances when nuances are used against you.
No.542391
>>542382Russia is not imperialist
No.542392
>>542388I see the Cocacola machine hiding just to the left of the sign lol
NOTHING IS BEYOND OUR BURGER REACH
No.542393
>>542382DAE THINK VLADIMIR PUTIN IS LITERALLY HITLER?!
EDIT: thanks for the platinum gold kind stranger sir, but please use that money to donate to the brave men of the Azov battalion who are fighting for civilisation
No.542394
>>542342>presenting NATO as the only ones who could've avoided the present situationThe Ukrainians voted for Zelensky as he positioned himself as for peace and detente with Russia
When he got in he did a full 180
The US state department runs the Ukrainian government so if he 180'd he did so with complicity of United States.
The fault of this war is the US and the EU and anything else is historical revisionism
No.542396
>>542387And the first thing to do about that is to teach them how wars are started for economic reasons and how everyone involved has interests.
No.542397
>>542384>i see you have decided to substitute words that aren't in it, which you'd like to be in it.then enlighten us, oh great tactician and master of geopolitics, how could have Russia prevented this situation?
No.542398
>>542394>The Ukrainians voted for Zelensky as he positioned himself as for peace and detente with Russia>When he got in he did a full 180 could you point out a few examples?
No.542400
>>542398NATO shill, do your own research
No.542401
>>542369The problem with you is that you're not concerned with the interests of Russia in this, so in your mind, this is just a disaster caused by NATO expansion. You are not thinking on the level of "NATO is a geopolitical foe that we must most effectively counter, how do we do this?" and that's my direct concern. So when I talk about agency, I mean who really has responsibility for the strategic decisions, so that in the case of a major fuckup that significantly tips the scales into NATO's favor, we know who fucked up.
No.542403
>>542400>shill for asking a question so that you can repeat a point to other peoplestop being a retard
No.542404
>>542386 You're calling me an idealist and not grounded in material reality because of not basing my politics on how liberals see me?
You're telling me to take off my Marx flag when I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world, with the only exception of the CCP?
Again and again this "you can't be neutral" bullshit - are you aware of any actual communists position on WWI was?
You have no arguements, no cohenrent position, no positive vision, only vitriol and bargaining with butchers. It is no surprise that you are a bloodthirsty warmonger, celebrating the slaughter of the masses.
A communist makes concesssions, but never on their principles.
No.542406
>>542402Putin should have uncritical support for making faggots like that soyfacing as hard as this
No.542407
>>542383Fascism rises, except when it doesnt (Russia, Yugoslavia, China etc)
No.542408
>>542389Yes. There was a letter sent by Russia with point-blank requests concerning demoralization in December, way before the "military exercises". NATO replied with empty platitudes, as well as moralizing about how Russia is being irrational and "trust us, bro". And yet NATO refused to the Russian offer to have it openly published in the press either. Then we got more talk in the press and from officials how the oriental despot bully Russia is refusing to let poor little democratic Ukraine decide to join a "defensive alliance".
No.542409
>>542404>when I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world, with the only exception of the CCP?>most relevant communist parties in the world,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You mean the ones KKE funds are the most relevant in the world? What a strange criterion.
No.542410
>>542408>demoralizationdemilitarization lol
No.542411
>>542405I thought Ukrainians were going to meet their liberators with flowers…
No.542412
>>807209
Fuck is that supposed to mean? Putin ain't invading he's not a retard
No.542413
>>542382<Things that make rate of profit less bad because bad person didIrrelevant
No.542414
>>542409What did kke do to you man?
No.542416
>>807185
Nah nothing. There's no military in Europe.
No.542417
>>542384You can feel the smug pedantic aura from here.
Have sex.
No.542418
>>542398<May 20: Volodymyr Zelensky triumphs over Poroshenko to become the new president of Ukraine. Zelensky is an actor and comedian who campaigned against corruption and for a détente with Moscow. He spent much of his career in Russia and also speaks Russianhttps://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220228-from-the-maidan-protests-to-russia-s-invasion-eight-years-of-conflict-in-ukraineHe then held talks with Russia to implement the Minsk accords signed in 2015 (minsk2)
They were never implemented
A year into his presidency he
<June 12, 2020: NATO grants Ukraine “enhanced opportunities” allowing cooperation between NATO forces and Kyiv’s army. NATO says this “does not presuppose decisions on NATO membership”. But Zelensky is pushing for the alliance to propose a membership plan.This is all natos fault. The Ukrainians did not vote for a president to pursue such a hostile position to Russia.
Any "both sidsing" is historical revisionism
No.542419
>>542414Absolutely nothing. I have no hate for the KKE. Just using it as a criterion to determine "the most relevant communist organizations around the world" is nothing short of hilarious.
No.542421
>>542386And just to get this straight:
>You will get called a Putinoid shill if you advocate for your country to get out of NATO or for the EU to demilitarise. If you haven't seen the writing on the wall by now, I don't know what to tell you. Being against both NATO and Putin is seen in the West as being pro-Putin. NATO/EU/West and their lapdog media have assumed the stance of "you're either with us, or you're against us".I don't care how liberals see me; I care about having the correct, nuance political position. Something you obviously do not - in fact, you have the exact same position as the Republican party: "trigger the libs".
I'm not even going to argue with you further because you have admitted to not caring about the truth or the correct position, but only about how you are percieved.
No.542422
>>542402This is what makes me uncritically support Putin.
No.542423
>>542415Time for some Spanish prisoner lads. We can get rich$$$$
No.542426
>>542421The statement by "all the relevant communist organizations in the entire world" was the incorrect position. It's been explained. What do you disagree with?
No.542428
>>542390No problem
>>542397Not invading Ukraine.
<but that would lead to [negative consequence for Russia]Yes, that may well be correct. It probably would have. So Russia
chose the present situation over the alternative, less desirable situation. It is not necessary to demonstrate that they chose wrongly - only that they chose. The point to be made is that unlike posters here, Russia can choose.
>>542417so what you're saying is that I project powerful auras while you project virginity.
No.542429
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxrCVUnhWswLIVE: Extraordinary plenary session on the Russian invasion of Ukraine
European Parliament is debating live about allowing Ukraine into NATO
No.542430
>>542427<Crimea not availableNetflix fears the Crimeachads
No.542431
>>542409 "The KKE funds"? Just like your liberal counterparts, the only thing you can arm yourself with against the only relevant communist parties in the capitalist world is mud.
Thank you for exposing yourself as an anticommunist.
No.542433
>>542409<KKE fundingHow far gone are you to believe KKE has even a fraction of the money required to do that?
No.542434
>>542432I have not slept, I think I will end up staying up over 30 hours I cant go to sleep now might as well go to the feed fam
No.542435
>>542429>Chairman of Rada presenting this as battle between civilization and RussiaNazi shit lol
No.542437
>>542426Ofcourse you misquote me in bad faith and say that what I'm saying is incorrect, "has been explained" without offering any proof of such; I'm not going to argue with you, because you are plain and simple anticommunist agitators.
No.542438
Brings tears to me eyes.
/pol/ and /leftypol/ finally united in support of Russia
No.542441
>>542383> The only way socialism happens here is through technological advancement and reform.Fuck off positivist
No.542442
>>542404>I'm supporting the joint statement of the most relevant communist parties in the world<no CCP<no Cuba CP<no Venezuela CP<no Iran CP<no Guatemala CP<no DPRK WPYes, I see your joint statement signed by communist parties of countries like Latvia, Austria, Sweden, Denmark…Those parties don't represent their people, they're just social clubs for old people.
>Again and again this "you can't be neutral" bullshitHas the world memoty been wiped in the last week? Did you forget what US/NATO/EU have been doing for the past 70 years?! JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU AMERICANS AND YOUR 24 HOUR NEWS CYCLE MEMORY.
>are you aware of any actual communists position on WWI was?<Russia-Ukraine war is like WWI>You have no arguementsUnlike your appeal to authority argument? "These parties said so, therefore it is right" Nice argument, Marks.
>no cohenrent positionUnlike you, one minute anti-imperialist, next "Putin bad, save us NATO, also do more to get rid of NATO from your countries, but not before Russia stops attacking, I hate NATO, but I hate Russia, NATO out, but NATO should win". very coherent
>no positive visionPositive like "opposition to Russia" you mean?
>celebrating the slaughter of the masses.What do you think of Ukraine shelling and killing civilians in Donbas?
No.542443
>>542223>You seem to implicitly support the US/EU/NATO invasion of Ukraine simply because it wasn't as bloody. Despite the fact that it put fascists in power and implemented deadly ethno-nationalist policies. I guess thats fine because Our Troops were kept safe. Velvet invasionEven this point simps for nato position
The Ukro-nazis have killed upward of 14,000 of their own people since 2014
DPR and LPR was shelled and bombed the entire time
No.542444
>>807250
Crashing this plane with no survivors
No.542445
>>542033He is probably paid by the CIA, don't listen
No.542446
>>542431What a non answer lmao.
I'm the liberal because I don't believe any party the KKE funds is the most relevant in the whole wide world? Ok, I'll stay a liberal.
>>542437Check the responses to these:
>>542178>>542294This is only ITT.
That statement has been posted several times.
No.542447
>>542405paraphrased translation
UKR: why? why? why?
RUS: citizens, please clear your streets, clear the streets, go to your homes
UKR: these are our streets! our streets! our city!
RUS: your streets, your city.
UKR: our streets! our city!
end
No.542449
>>542429>unprovoked>Its about "freedom"EUoids are delusional
No.542450
>>542405>>542377So letting people get close to the vehicles and possibly injure themselves is le bad, but shooting warning shots and yelling at people to stay away is le bad too. Make up your mind.
No.542451
>>542430Ukraine shut off the Netflix canal
No.542453
>>542448>communism is when you do The Communist Actions and Principled Theory Driven Death Sentence.>communism is when you do whatever maintains the status quo>communism is when you lose>communism is when you are weak>communism means morally posturing about anything "An Oppressor(tm)" does.>communism is when you write mean letters denouncing "all sides"Western leftism everyone.
No.542455
>>542450Have you ever shot a gun, 12.7mm or autocannon? Shit will rupture your eardrums and fuck up your hearing for life. It's way more humane to apply the butt of your rifle to their face
No.542456
>>542429If one was naive that would be odd since NATO and the EU are seperate entities and if the European parliament should be discussing anything it should be the immediate ascension of Ukraine to the EU
Amusing
No.542457
>>542456It's about ascension to EU not NATO
No.542458
>>542286POV
you're a Russian warlord and you just opened your new home in the afterlife
No.542459
>>807266
Да блядь, не этого мы хотели, когда за признание выступали
No.542461
>>807260
>>807261
point is that Russians aren't denying that those cities and streets belong to the people of Ukraine. it further shows Russian army has no interest in killing civilians, they could have blown all of those people away. and it further corroborates what Russia says, that they aren't there to destroy cities or kill the people, just remove the Ukrainian leadership.
No.542462
>>542455And you would not be complaining about the savagery of russian soldiers that are beating babooshkas with their rifles?
>>542457Candidateship at that. Turkey and Bosnia have been one for two decades. Dunno if the EU is retarded to fast track this but they seem to be hellbent on nuking their own economy
No.542465
THIS IS THE ACT OF THE BIRTH OF THE GEOPOLITICAL EUROPE
No.542466
>>542462>the savagery of russian soldiers that are beating babooshkas with their rifleswhen I see the videos I will condemn the soldiers responsible in the strongest terms!
No.542468
what did i just hear about a missile in kharkov
officially russia said they are protecting donbass
so now what are they saying? they are fighting the ukrainains why?
No.542471
>>542466So just concern trolling whatever happens. Any condemnation towards the retards armed by Zelensky for the shooting of "saboteur" parents, kids and dogs?
No.542472
>>542382Really? what happened afterwards?
Is that why the bourgeise of germany helped hitler and fascism happened
No.542474
>>542329That's so wild lol
How do they stop them
No.542475
>>542452What are you talking about
No.542477
>>542317what is the second meme relevant to your post
i don't want to read pls
No.542479
>>542476I SPEAK THE AMERICAN LANGUAGE YOU ANGLO!!!!
I am an AmericanX
No.542480
>>542458>13 femboys after you die.Allah never said the sex of the virgins silly Cuckservatists
He also never said where he gets the femboys, but that is a surprise for them in another time.
No.542481
>>542454I don't live in an apartment
No.542482
>>542146Total Nato hegemony does not help in our endeavors.
Also China conducting cuck foreign policy doesn't but that's a completely unreleted discussion now.
No.542483
>>542429Live!
War mongerers given a podium.
To be fair, some of the people here would agree with the demands made by the guy on right now (grilled pilled schizo and the latam Ruski among others). After all "russia bad".
No.542484
>>542206<NATO isn't invadingYemen Colombia and half of Sahel disagree.
No.542486
>>542438You support Russia because you think they're some sort of "based trad-orthodox duginist regime". We CRITICALLY support Russia because it fucked with NATO hegemony (though it's arguably made it worse).
We are not the same. We will never be your allies, and you will never be welcome here so long as you still consider yourself a member of /pol/.
>But i cross post.It's either one or the other.
No.542488
>>542460So they entered the city for real?
From which side?
Also is the encirclement complete?
No.542489
>>542484also Syria and Iraq still. Was that all? I was like I forgot one.
Well whatever france does these days.
No.542491
>>542146This guys retarded. Communists are never "transcending the nation state" until such point borders begin to break down in a world communist order
Lenin BTFO'd this fag, trot shit 100 years ago
<Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone. After expropriating the capitalists and organising their own socialist production, the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world—the capitalist world—attracting to its cause the oppressed classes of other countries, stirring uprisings in those countries against the capitalists, and in case of need using even armed force against the exploiting classes and their states. The political form of a society wherein the proletariat is victorious in overthrowing the bourgeoisie will be a democratic republic, which will more and more concentrate the forces of the proletariat of a given nation or nations, in the struggle against states that have not yet gone over to socialism. The abolition of classes is impossible without a dictatorship of the oppressed class, of the proletariat. A free union of nations in socialism is impossible without a more or less prolonged and stubborn struggle of the socialist republics against the backward states.
<It is for these reasons and after repeated discussions at the conference of R,S.D.L.P. groups abroad, and following that conference, that the Central Organ’s editors have come to the conclusion that the slogan for a United States of Europe is an erroneous one. https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1915/aug/23.htm
>Russia and China provide alternatives. Even Iran offers an alternative. Ultimately, most of the western left has committed to a position against western liberal capitalism, but in the absence of socialism they're willing to support Russian Nationalism, Chinese Nationalism, Islamist Expansionism, and even Baathism. It's incredibly sad.Engels Lenin and Stalin supported Irish nationalism, Indian nationalism and Chinese nationalism.
<The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such "desperate" democrats and "Socialists," "revolutionaries" and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its results was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptians merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British "Labour" Government is waging to preserve Egypt's dependent position is for the same reason a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of the government, despite the fact that they are "for" socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htmthe reason MLs "support" these countries is because we take a viewpoint on the general balance sheet against imperialism.
Ie. an analysis of their historic movement and their effect of global imperialism.
And not from a static snapshot of some "formal point of progress" which you and libs generally do (oh we must be more progressive! we allow faggots and trans!)
No.542492
>>542374>We might soon see the point when world opinion turns on America in a manner analogous to how America's opinion on cops turned in 2020.I get the feeling it pretty much has outside of the West. I look at a lot of Spanish language content in YT and there tend to be a LOT less bootlickers and simps for the USA than in Anglophone/Anglophile countries, and it's fairly common to see people referring to US crimes far more casually (i.e, it's like socdems spouting shit about CIA blacksites and interventions as opposed to how only "deranged tankies" talk about that in the USA)
No.542493
>>542146>absence of socialism they're willing to support Russian Nationalism, Chinese Nationalism, Islamist Expansionism, and even Baathism.One of these things is not like the others
One of these things does not belong
No.542494
>>807316
Hope this will strengthen socialist forces in Russia.
No.542495
>>542490 (me)
President Duda, rather.
No.542496
It seems there's some movement in Kherson.
If the city falls for good the door to Odessa is open.
No.542497
>>542146for 70 years the left tries to fight for some abstract "democratic socialism but with the NATO as friend" and the results are: none, zero, null, niente. Dont forget how Bernie (and he was just a moderate socdem) was treated just a few years ago. Now were told that we should forget all this and maybe maybe we get some scraps if were just sorry enough. No - fuck you.
You are not wrong in the start of your idea that indeed we look onto new shores. People who dont may hold onto the warm memories of '68 for another centuriy. Not cause any power was gained but just cause it felt so free that one year. I am done with this cucking.
No.542498
>Local source tells me that Kharkov is effectively being governed by the National Corps right now - the political party that grew out of the Azov Battalion. Much talk about them & ("Freikorps" militia) in both pro-Russian & pro-Ukrainian local telegram channels.
bruh at this point even if i was a ukrop i would view russians as liberators
No.542504
>>542503She is a rabid dog
No.542505
Did Ukraine just get accepted into the EU?
No.542506
BREAKING: Lavrov: Well we are not really like centralized, we are just anti-fascist, so like, you don't join antifa, like you are antifa. Plus like if you're not antifa I guess you're kinda fa right
No.542508
>>542503Dengoids will defend this
No.542509
>>542505acceptance is not approval but yeah this si unexpected. Europe does seem to have a bigger deathwish than the US has
No.542510
>>542481>socdemflag is a rich kid from the suburbssurprising literally noone
No.542512
>>542495thank you, duda, i won't get conscripted to die in Ukraine now
No.542513
>>542146That people do not do it because they fail to see socialism but because they think socialism is the romantic nationalism of the *foreign other*. These people are petit bourgeois and so alienated from their societies that they feel spite and resent and wish for the nationalism of a foreign power to punish their national proletarian for not living to their standards. Those people have their brains wired like conservatives and just lack nationalism, look at china simps, they only care about how rich china is and how much china is winning in pointless statistics against america but give zero fucks about worker's rights or economic planning.
Being anti west is not leftism and we are not saying this loud enough.
No.542515
>>542033Socdem turned full on lib, lol
No.542516
https://www.urdupoint.com/en/miscellaneous/china-welcome-russia-ukraine-dialogue-to-reso-1477904.htmlI for one welcome our new Chinese overlords
They're so much more mature that the previous overlords those ones acted like spoilt children
No.542517
>>542510guess again, applying my penchant for pedantry.
No.542518
>>542491>we allow faggots and trans!And what's so bad about that?
No.542520
>>807368
t. Z-Anon
No.542523
>>542513most chinese simps praise chinas economic planning
the fuck are u talking about?
No.542526
>>542513I'd like it if my industry union was in charge of enforcing workplace laws like it is in China tbqh fam
No.542527
>>807374
>Allow pro-NATO posting pls
Fuck off glowie
No.542528
>>542498They are starting to. Civilians hiding in basements see nazis blocking civilians from leaving to keep them as living shields
No.542529
>>807368
you have literally all of the internet for that
No.542530
>>542523Never seen that shit.
>>542526Okay that's a good thing.
No.542531
>>542530bruh go to china simps and tell them what do you think of chinas economic planning
alot of them from my expirence say, china plans for the future, and rationally develops the economy, and thus unlike western divided pigs, china has a future
No.542533
>>542507>>542514funny that all the countries being strangled by western sanctions (and helped to survive by russia) have a bit different view of who the bad guy really is
No.542535
>>807387
sounds like reactionary idpol drivel tbh, states will always use identities to pursue war, see the current war against nazis who crucify russians (fake and made up)
No.542536
>Slovakia🇸🇰: 3 years in jail for those who support Russia.>Czech Republic 🇨🇿: 25 years in prison for those who support Russia.https://twitter.com/astianmi/status/1498509945624481793?t=95yRU-IJ8xsMaIrEhwOW_Q&s=19Honey wake up new EU censorship to protect freedom in Ukraine dropped
No.542538
>>542513>Being anti west is not leftism and we are not saying this loud enough.It is a crucial element of the left, if you don't live in the west however. Like it or not, communist + anti-west patriotic rhetoric works best in my country. Otherwise people buy into right-wing attacks that I'm promoting "western cultural marxism". People intuitively understand that the West is squeezing our balls because that's what they experience. That doesn't mean cheap nationalist chauvinism of course, which is actually used as a smoke screen for further cucking.
On the other hand western anti-westerners are also a pain in the ass, because in certain cases they'd rather promote our ruling class than the protesters against them. But these larpers have no effect anyway, so I don't care as much.
No.542539
>>542536I love democracy and free speech!
No.542541
>>542540confirmed Russian? my biggest fear during this was that the Neo-Nazis were gonna start shelling their own cities and blaming the Russians.
No.542542
>>542407Literally all those are non-west countries. Westerners have a brain disease that does not allow them to accept communism so it will not happen except through reform.
No.542543
>>542535Jasbir Puar makes a convincing argument in the book I posted
If you overlay a map of Nato (and Natos "partner" countries) over a map of LGBT rights map it's the same thing
No.542544
>>807387
>The sexual revolution that took place in the West was a result of the onset of mass consumer culture that tore familial bonds apart
Consumer culture did not tear families apart you reactionary fuck. Proletarization and unability to sustain single-earner households did that.
No.542545
>>542541Yes, quite. And North Koreans push trains when they stop due to power outages.
No.542547
Russia now warned Kyiv citizens to escape the vicinity of radio and television towers
No.542549
>>542543>If you overlay a map of Nato (and Natos "partner" countries) over a map of LGBT rights map it's the same thingNo shit. USSR was one of the first countries to decriminalise homosexuality. First sex reassignment surgery was performed in Latvia, in the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union actually had several cases where they allowed someone to live as the opposite gender (with their official documentation confirming it). Women in Soviet countries were in science, leadership, army.
Yet this liberal LGBT is another beast entirely. It is not about recognition of gay people, or trans people, it is about marketing your ideology to as many people as you can. It's classic marketing and advertising. You create a need/want (people want these "progressive" rights) and then you sell them a way to do it (we have to invade XYZ because they're against "progressive" rights), thus finding popular support for Western/NATO wars of aggression.
No.542550
>>542146Will never be me
Communism is inevitable
Sooner or later
By choice or extinction
The masses can do it!
All we have to do is educate and train them
No.542551
>>542547Apparently Russian MoD will start targeting disinfo HQs in Kiev, and urged Ukrainians to move away from those locations
> (GLOWIES WILL START LITERALLY GLOWING LOLOLOL) No.542553
>>542541My biggest fear is that the neo-Nazis have constructed a dirty bomb out of radioactive material lying around Ukraine or with assistance from within the military.
No.542555
>>542554>This civvy is literally just walking on to the edge of a captured occupied airfield and filming. Rostov is in Russia
No.542557
It seems Crimea land Bridge is complete after 5 days of fighting.
Crimea and Donetsk are linked.
This also confirms Mariupol encirclement is done.
No.542558
Sorry for bringing up retards, but I thought this was interesting
/pol/ is going pro-Russian, pro-china pretty fucking hard, merely because they all have lost faith in the western world. This shows that /pol/ are nothing but contrarian adolescents lashing out at capitalism, but since they want to be edgy and rebellious rather than productive they larp as Nazis. /pol/ is cheering the end of the petrodollar. For the first time in a LONG time, I saw someone start a thread redpilling people on the kulacks and it didn't get spammed to oblivion with stormcucks. Rather an actual discussion happened. I have no idea how long this will last, but I think it demonstrates the autism score alignment graph really well. Low autism score /pol/ and High autism score /leftypol/ going against American global hegemony, while normies support it.
BRICS along with Russia quitting the dollar is already ending American global hegemony, as soon as the Russians take Kiev in the next 24-48 hours, normies are going to go back to their lives and realize that gas, wheat and other things will be expensive. This is why the west needs this war, as soon as the Russians win, the normies will realize what they have lost, and the whole thing will start to fall.
No.542559
> Russia’s federal censor has denounced decisions by Google and TikTok to block channels registered in Europe to the Russian state-run media outlets Russia Today and Sputnik. In its statement, however, Roskomnadzor stopped short of threatening to retaliate by blocking YouTube or TikTok in Russia.
Why TikTok? Isn't it Chinese?
No.542563
>>542559TikTok is registered in California iirc.
No.542564
>>542558you're absolutely right, this is why le both side bad retards are… retards, history's back and no amount of fukuyamist cope will stop it
No.542565
>>542557Hey Sandinista flag, didn't you say Kiev would have fallen "by tomorrow" 4 days ago? lmao
No.542566
>>542564>both side Both sides are not bad, there is the good side of the proletariat and the bad side of the bourgeois (Russia/NATO)
No.542567
>>542558Leave to nazis to not care about the wellbeing of their country or to defend western civilization.
If in a year /pol/ becomes radlib central I will cringe so hard.
No.542568
>>542543>If you overlay a map of Nato (and Natos "partner" countries) over a map of LGBT rights map it's the same thingThis is the thing that draws me to become liberal, but I resist. I just want to live in peace and love the ones I want to love, "anti-imperialist" countries are doing a completely different thing.
No.542569
>>542565I literally made opinion polls on it multiple times asking what anons thought about it, without never stating explicitly my opinion.
No.542570
>>542562>Beijing says China and Russia Are Not Allies>we have an even better relationshipSomething along those lines was said, lol. Westerners cope pretty hard with their attempt at "isolating" Russia
No.542571
>>542560Reminder that a LaRouche guy will be at the CPI event along with Haz and Maupin.
https://twitter.com/Burke4Senate/status/1498503513973870593/photo/2 No.542572
>>542568There is no anti imperialism, there are not anti imperialist countries. it's all imperialism with gays and imperialism without gays.
Phony civil rights are preferable to no civil rights anyway.
No.542574
>>542453>Siding with Putin over 30 communist parties is a leftist takeHow much are you making per post? I hope you're not doing this for free.
No.542575
>>542574China, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, all are supporting Russia. Real communist countries support antiimperialist (this time) Russia. Deal with it.
No.542576
>>542574Calling everyone who disagrees with you being on a payroll is a stupid thing. Paid Putin shills exist on the Internet, but do responses like this make things better on an anonymous imageboard? And there are surely some sincere Putin supporters (because America bad).
No.542578
Has Mauripol been liberated yet?
No.542580
>>542578I don't think so, it's gonna get fully encircled today though by the looks of it.
No.542581
>>542514Khamenei has a better take than the "communist" NATO shills ITT…..
No.542582
>>542574Nobody here is pro Putin.
If Zyuganov or another KPRF leader grew a pair and fucked him everyone here would cheer.
We desire just for NATO to be crushed. It's too important.
No.542583
>>542558>as soon as the Russians take Kiev in the next 24-48 hoursi sure hope this fucking happens so we can start ending this shit
No.542585
>>542582yea maybe not zyuganov who is a "communist" only in name
kprf needs to purge its leadership given how absolutely out of touch it is with its actually marxist membership
No.542586
>>542584THE GHOST OF KIEV STRIKES AGAIN
No.542587
>>542585Sadly enough that's right
No.542588
Mussolini was one of the first to comingle the phrase fascism with syndicalism, remarking in the early 1920s that “Fascist syndicalism is national and productivistic… in a national society in which labor becomes a joy, an object of pride and a title to nobility.”[41] Most Italian syndicalists viewed social revolution as a means for rapid transformation to provide “superior productivity,” and if this economic abundance failed to occur, there could be no meaningful social change.[42] The emphasis by syndicalists towards the importance of “producerism” had been originally initiated by Sorel in 1907, who argued that “Marx considers that a revolution by a proletariat of producers who [have] acquired economic capacity.”[43] When Carlo Cafiero developed a compendium for the initial volume of Capital in Italian, Marx reminded his colleague that “material conditions necessary for the emancipation of the proletariat” must be “spontaneously generated by the development of capitalism (den Gang der kapitalistischen Produktion).”[44][45]
The support for the theory of producerism expanded among Fascist syndicalists after the conclusion of the Russian Civil War and transition from war communism showed high unemployment and an environment where “most of the mills and factories were at a standstill; mines and collieries were wrecked and flooded.”[46]
After the introduction of the New Economic Policy (NEP), Italian syndicalists continued to move further away from orthodox Marxism, determined to revise it to fit the changing times and to embolden its strategic goals. They argued that the Russian Bolsheviks had failed to adhere to Engels’ 1850 admonition about the dangers of trying to establish a social revolution within an economically backwards environment.[47] This drift had emerged years before the economic malaise of Soviet Russia, prompting most Italian syndicalists to transcend the errors and drawbacks that “they believed they found in orthodox Marxism.”[48] Developed to bring about worker control of the means of production by direct action, the intellectuals of syndicalism came to the realization that Italy's primitive economy could facilitate neither equality nor abundance for society. Without a mature industry developed by the bourgeois, they came to understand that a successful social revolution required the support of “classless” revolutionaries.[49] Mussolini, along with Italian syndicalists, Nationalists and Futurists, contended that those revolutionaries would be Fascists, not Marxists or some other ideology.[50] According to Mussolini and other syndicalist theoreticians, Fascism would be “the socialism of ‘proletarian nations.’”[51]
In some cases, Rossoni's pro-labor stances worried industrialists due to his philosophic interpretation of Marx's “dynamic law of history,” which lead him to support the eventuality of workers’ control of factories.[62] He argued that industrialists had a legitimate right to assume their positions, but only until “such time as workers, organized into new syndicates, had mastered the requisite competence to take command.”[63] The Fascist syndicalists’ hostility towards employers caused political troubles for Mussolini's regime before and after he established a one-party dictatorship in early 1925. But despite the controversies, Rossoni held on to his position until he was forced to resign in 1928, probably due to fears over his almost 3 million-strong union membership that had greatly surpassed the National Fascist Party membership.[64] Although independent labor unions in Italy were not nationalized until April 3, 1926, under Alfredo Rocco’s Syndical Laws, Fascist syndicates by 1922 had become a “major recruitment competitor for the socialist and Catholic worker organizations.”[65] After peaking to a membership of over 2,000,000 members by 1920, the independent General Confederation of Labor was reduced to 400,000 members by mid-1922. Other unions fared just as poorly. The Catholic syndicates of the Popolari had 1.2 million members in 1921, but by the later part of 1922, it was down to 540,000.[66] Nonetheless, Rossoni was treated as a valuable leader in Mussolini's administration, becoming a member of the Grand Council of Fascism from 1930-1943 and other high positions.[67]
No.542589
>>542585>kprf needs to purge its leadershipThey have started the purge in 2021. But it was Zyuganov purging anti-putinists, now anti-war communists are scolded by the party leadership.
No.542590
>>542584This was shown like 10 threads ago btw.
No.542591
>>54257430 irrelevant and/or rapist parties.
Try again.
No.542592
>>542575Even MLM (who cannot be accused of revisionism by anyone) in the Philippines say that most of the blame of the conflict lies with NATO and the Ukrainians.
Only Breadtube tier libs think "muh bth sides equally bad" at this point.
No.542596
>>542595See Putin's speech about his motives and wonder why
No.542598
>>542597They are desperate, Ukrainians are trying to do their best with little rational self-perservation
No.542599
>>542576>Paid Putin shills exist on the Internetdoubt.jpeg
No.542601
Big boom incoming
>To suppress information attacks against Russia, high-precision weapons will strike at the technological facilities of the SBU and the 72nd main PSO center in Kyiv.
>"We call on Ukrainian citizens who are recruited by Ukrainian nationalists to carry out provocations against Russia, as well as residents of Kyiv living near the relay hubs, to leave their homes."https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4648362/https://meduza.io/news/2022/03/01/minoborony-rf-anonsirovalo-udary-po-ob-ektam-sbu-v-kieve-dlya-presecheniya-informatsionnyh-atak-i-prizvalo-zhivuschih-ryadom-lyudey-pokinut-doma No.542602
>>542507So these are the blocks that will be fighting the war?:
>White Aryan Anglo-Fascists EU/US-Capitalist Cucks <versus>Superior-Slavish-Afro-Caribbean-Semetic-Asian Communist Chads No.542604
>>542514khamenei is correct
No.542606
>>542599I am talking about Internet Research Agency-like things. I doubt they would be interested in a fringe marxist forum, but there were literal feds on 8chan, so I don't know.
No.542607
>>542605that's more like the UK state, but mostly right.
No.542608
>>542600A reporter, journalist and political analyst currently working at RT and devoting his spare time and money to the think tank he founded the Center for Political innovation
Before his journalist career he was a political activist most famous for being part of the international crew, ie a human shield on an Iranian ship on a humanitarian mission to deliver medical supplies to Yemen
No.542610
>>542586GHOST OF KIEV CONFIRMED AS REY SKYWALKER
No.542611
>>542046Surprised Putin didn't act sooner
No.542612
>>542606Glowies in 8chan is a urban legend
No.542614
>>542606>but there were literal feds on 8chan, so I don't know.It is a fake debunked by reliable sources. Please, don't spread misinformation!
No.542615
>>542606The USA spends like 1000x more on counter intelligence, psyops, propaganda, etc. than Russia and China combined. If you unironically believe there are "paid Putin/Xi shills on the internet" you are a fucking moron.
No.542616
>>542402someone should send this guy pics of starving kids in Yemen
No.542617
>>542599There almost definitely are. Same with pretty much any major power with a psy op department. You'd have to be a dumbass not to have paid shills shilling you on the internet frankly. Anybody with a decent budget who is a shrewd political operator should be doing this. All it really is is having a social media team which like, normal restaurants will have a social media guy who makes instagram posts about how cool the restaurant is while not saying that they abuse staff. Its literally completely normal and unremarkable
No.542618
>>542605That is literally true
No.542621
>>542620follow the instructions cuck
No.542622
i love how he always responds to that, ngl
No.542625
>>542598Kherson. Russia blasted the Ukrops' stronghold at some factory, has taken the firefighter HQ and instructs people there, and also patrol the streets.
Ukrainian administration of the city is still in denial that Russians have taken the city
No.542626
>>542552Translation of the headline:
>Kreml-Tyrant Putin drives up infernal weapon>thermoballistic lol Rocketlauncher TOS-1 No.542627
>>542241You truly are a cushbomb acolyte.
No.542628
Ukrainian anarchist's open letter to the western left:
https://www.nihilist.li/2022/02/20/why-western-leftists-are-so-fucked-up/Why Western leftists are so fucked up?
>It’s quite fucked up how Western leftist discussion on Ukraine quickly devolves into mentions of far-right groups like Right Sector or Azov. Come on, people. The US, whose leftists often bug Ukrainians with whataboutisms on the fascists, has just had a fascist president.
<Western leftists and anarchists don’t ask us whether we need medical supplies, food, military equipment. They ask us about fascists patrolling the streets in Ukraine. Sweet Jesus, our president is Jewish, and the only right-populist party in the parliament is fucking pro-Russian.
>Right Sector is already a dead movement nobody cares about. Azov regiment is just about a thousand people who at worst might beat some rando up while off-service. Remember when a year ago a crowd of armed white nationalists attempted a coup and Trump was totally ok with that?
<Meanwhile France, Germany, Spain, UK have far-right MPs. Ukraine had only one neo-Nazi MP and he neither submitted any bill nor worked in committees.
>But the very mention of Ukraine as the victim of Russian aggression makes people lose their minds: “They have Right Sector! Azov!! Bandera!!!” And if one can explain the first two, Bandera problem is much harder.
<Even Ukrainians mostly have no idea what he really did due to it being so shrouded in history. Nobody gives a fuck about Bandera besides a bunch of boomers.
>Check replies on Bernie Sanders’ tweet. He says that Russia is a threat to peace. His comment on current escalation is very moderate and calls on diplomacy, but strictly points out who’s the bad guy.
<The benign discussion of what should be an uncontroversial issue within the leftist crowd made them lose their mind instead, blaming Ukraine for mere existence of the far-right movements within.
>And how about the fact that Russia doesn’t even try to cover up its imperialist plan on Ukraine, one that cannot be justified by any leftist ideals? Nyeeh, it’s all NATO’s fault. NATO should pull out of Ukraine!
<Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Fuck us. No.542631
>>542624That pic is genuinely disturbing
No.542633
>>542628Lol of course the anarkiddie would care about national sovereignty. Based daddy Putin will praxis him into dialectical oblivion!
No.542634
>>542629law-abiding invasion
No.542635
>>542628>Anarchist defending Neo-Nazis Average Least retarded anarchist
No.542638
>>542635>defending neo-nazis Okay so did you even read the article or did you just knee-jerk shit this response out
No.542640
>>542628>but muh january 6th>c'mon listen to Bernie guizoy
No.542642
>>542624Is this the tit version of multiple chins? Horrific.
No.542643
>>542638He's right. Any country with neo-Nazis among its population needs to be invaded from outside to be de-nazified. So US, UK, Australia, Russia, you know. Gotta invade em all.
No.542644
>>542643Would you justify shelling civilian centers on the off-chance that one person in there might be a nazi?
No.542645
>>542628Very emotional and unsubstantial, but I agree with them. A lot of westoid leftists are really deranged, their hysterical warmongering media and NATO atrocities has drawn them to literal Russian state media, this is a mostly emotional reaction too. So they have consumed all this "Ukraine is Nazi" narrative and their hatred towards NATO aligns with pro-Russian stance here so well.
Try to sometimes put emotions away. We are human beings with irrational urges, but this is a thing that can be controlled.
No.542646
>>542630
Nobody has died here, only injured.
No.542647
>>542638I read it, we know white supremacy is not that big of a concern for white bitches like you since you can side with them and are not targeted, but for some people like the Russians in Eastern-Ukraine and the remaining 80% of humanity it is, and they suffered a lot without Crackers like you giving a single fuck, unless your white brothers get hurt like now
No.542648
>>542644Yes of course. Anything else would be totally retarded unlike my smart ideas.
No.542649
>>542638I read it, apparently what literal Nazis wearing SS insignia get up to when they're on duty or even the fact that they're on duty at all with SS insignia on their uniform that's not my department says Werner Von Braun
No.542650
>>542647>pulling the sakaioid cardJust admit you're a misanthrope tbh
No.542651
>>542630
That was an Azov recruitment fair.
No.542652
>>542647Question: did you give a fuck about PoC in eastern europe before this?
No.542653
>>542628>As anarchists, we need to defend this nazi infested nation state!Anarcho-sanctionsim, Agent Kochinskiism-CIAism is fucking real and they're allegedly in Ukraine.
Scratch a liberal…..
No.542654
Zelensky applying for EU membership and the parliament is so fucking psychotic I can't even find the right words for it. They wanna talk Putin is mentally degrading, maybe they should get themselves checked out too lmfao
No.542657
>>542650White supremacists like you who enjoy seeing the carnage and blood flow when Slavic and non-white people fight eachother while you supply the arms are the real misanthropes
No.542658
>>542647I will now inform you about the fact that neither Ukranians, Poles, Russians, etc. had colonies in Africa.
No.542659
>>542645It has been explained 1000001 times.
This is a US/NATO war that Russians and Ukranians pay. You are either a right winger, a schizo, ignorant, or a combination of the three.
No.542660
>>542657>projecting this hardYeah you definitely gave a shit before all this
No.542661
>>542645Well put. If my country was bombed by Russia I would probably loose it a little seeing suburban burgers justify it by accusing everyone around me of being nazis.
No.542662
>>542628>Azov regiment is just about a thousand people who at worst might beat some rando up while off-service. This is a shameless lie, they work with the SBU and torture separatists
No.542665
>>542624That pic is genuinely disturbing
No.542666
>>542652Yes, Slavic people spilled their blood in Africa during national liberation struggles of the African people. While Anglo-crackers were the ones supporting colonialism
No.542670
>>542658Slavic people are not white dumbass, are you stupid?
No.542671
>>542651Nice
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi
No.542672
>>542666Black people are white.
No.542673
This Ukrainian EU application will only do two things:
1. It basically kills prospects of Ukrainian neutrality, which is the only way this war will end
2. Putin will recognize this as a signal that neither Ukraine or the EU is interested in neutrality and might just go even harder than he is now
This is actually insane what the fuck are they thinking lmao..
No.542674
>>542666based, to eternal friendship between peoples of africa and slavs
t. slav
No.542676
>>542670Ukranians are being made white in real time. Fuck off lol.
No.542677
>>542667
Seethe hohol
No.542678
>>542669Damn I lived there two years and I didn't even know.
No.542679
>>542664
There's a pic of another blue/yellow tent with one of the Azov symbols. This tent was still standing after the strike tho, it landed right on some people driving by
No.542680
>>542629Honestly, this doesn't make Russian army look like some kind of invading brutes, but actually quite autistic and meek. You'd expect a blockade of other traffic.
No.542681
>>542673Not to mention the damage to the EU itself. Greece fudged the numbers to get in and we all know how that ended. There's no way Ukraine meets the normal requirements for EU membership.
No.542682
>>542673>This is actually insane what the fuck are they thinking lmao..The US wants more civilian deaths.
No.542683
>>542678And Lithuania had colonies in the Caribbean! And Poland tried to get some African colonies with a predictable result. Everyone wants to be a white master.
No.542684
>>807569
Europe seems to be super drunk on western exceptionalism right now (even more than USA) and sees this as a violation of natural order. The west is supposed to impose itself on the inferior outside world, and yet here eastern orcs are imposing themselves on a piece of the quasi-west. Order must be restored, or else all is lost. They are not thinking clearly.
No.542686
>>542675EXCUSE ME BUT WERE YOU AWARE THAT ALL CRACKERS ARE BORN WITH THE GENE FOR RACISM
No.542687
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>>542680Or maybe it looks like they're not invading
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>>542687this is a pro-NATO shill trying to push his pro-imperialist narrative
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>>542673>This is actually insane what the fuck are they thinking lmao..They're high on their own supply. They believe sanctions will force Putler to go back home, it's just a matter of time you see. In the mean time we need to feed ordinary Ukrainians with weapons and send them to die, because this will be a serious blockade of Putler's advancements.
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>>542673They are going all
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD Mode
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>>542563Anyone think that the US government could be sending out National Security Letters to encourage their corporate partners to act?
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>>542592>Even MLM (who cannot be accused of revisionism by anyone) in the Philippines say that most of the blame of the conflict lies with NATO and the UkrainiansSource?
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