Guys my university has made a project where you can listen to Russian radio comms. This is possible since many Russian soldiers are conscripts and have no clue on how to operate military radio equipment, so they are using civilian frequencies. Follow the chatbox as people are picking up the frequencies where you hear soldiers talking
http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/Settings:
7933.00 KHz on the left box
Filter to around 3KHz on the right, might need to switch around between 3 and 4
Squelch: on
Noise reduction: on
Take the L *dab*
>>546045Lmao no.
>>546057dadaism didnt destroy europe, reactionary desire to recreate "traditional" art and values did
the gif is in poor taste though i agree
real recording taken from the frontlines on Kyiv
>ayyy we're still right here homie, its fucking morning, fucking…
<we got the enmigos right there homie, let me represent myself homie, its doubleD Zcreepa from the g'd up 13 gang homie, sun valley gang homie.
>loli wino from Armenian power west side gang homie.
<still puro surenos, putting it down homie, we're still fucking alive homie, from the middle east to eastern Europe, we're in Ukrania homie, still gangbanging still not giving a fuck homie. look homie check this shit out, the puro sur-13 homie, look at this fucking Z homie, got them big tiddies and shit homie, still gangbanging homie, come, Ali, check out the enmigas right there homie, they're all right there dog. but we don't give a fuck homie
<as you know homie, иншаллах homie, Ukraine slava on my dick homie, Capone-E from cyclones, Mr criminal from Silverlake, and all the crazy locos from Pasadena, and pink lady, we still got love for you girl.
>got love for all the homies, homie, all the vatos
<lets put this shit down homie to all these motherfuckers homie
<still got love for all the surenos homie, post that shit with songs and send it Mr criminal homie, tell him to put it in all the fucking songs homie, all the fucking songs, you're the shit homie
>thats how we do it homie
<in Ukraine still gangbanging look at this fucking rain homie, fuck them fools homie
>front lines homie front fucking lines
<turn that shit up homie
<that's for all the surenos, still not giving a F-uck homie, that's right, gangbanging homie
<post this shit homie, tell the homies we alive fools, in fucking, eastern euro homie, still gangbanging for the su-13 gang homie
>in Ukrania homie, we're in Ukrania homie, front lines homie, front fucking line, not giving a fuck homie
<das right look at them fools homie, their fucking tripping dog look look at that motherfucker homie
>>546087where the FRIK is the ghost of kyiv???
REDDIT DO SOMETHING
>>546053I really don't get the meming of western kids about this conflict.
The Ukrainian army has been destroyed 3 days ago, all there is left are unorganized soldiers and untrained civilians with high tech weapons, shooting eachother for being suspect of "saboteurs".
There is no winning for Ukraine, Russia's military power is superior, this is not simping, this is stating basic facts
>>546138WE ARE WINNING, KIEV WILL HOLD OUT, TRUST THE PLAN
#Z-ANON
>>546140Russian propaganda exposers created in effort to prevent propaganda [digestion]?
The battle to prevent lies from reaching the people.
The battle to prevent and demoralization
Enlighted you are weak.
Told the truth you fight each other.
Told the truth you don't want to fight.
System of truth.
Information warfare.
Z
>>546109History will show the trials to be necessary
Death to Azov, freedom to Ukraine
>>546122Those dastardly
saboteurs!
>>546130there's more
>>546159>nooooooo don't wear caps aaaa muh dress protocolone of the absolute faggiest shit to get your panties in a bunch for
at least comment further on them being in constant contact with their western handlers through their iphones
>>546183a correct take
>>546190Russia has no decent manufacturing that is not reliant on the Western supply chains
don't confuse it with the USSR which was mostly self-sufficient, it was all sold out in the 90s (thanks to compradors like Putin) and then never recovered (thanks to Putin personally)
>>546208yes, Russia expected the "operation" to end in 3 days, РИА Новости even accidentally published an article how "Putin got Ukraine back" and then deleted
they got themselves into an endless quagmire they've never planned
>>546218It's literally been since thursday you fucking zoomoid
Ukraine is the size of France
>>546223There are literal Islamist, I mean nazis in their side!
Not only IDF tier, they have been sounding a lot like Muricans, Lavrov claiming they are bringing democracy to Ukraine. What a fucking word we living
>>546223I think there's nothing "lefty" to them, taking a side in a war between capitalist powers and wishing civilian deaths so one of those could win is nowhere left
communist parties of different countries already spoke against Russia, so the question is settled
>>546175Hes an old hardliner from the Soviet days. Dude was wearing a uniform, holding a rifle and standing a post before I was even born yet.
>He served in the Border Guard (frontier troops) from 1975 to 1977, where he was an instructor of the political department of military unit No. 2187 of the Western Frontier District in Brest and in the Soviet Army from 1980 to 1982. In addition, he led an All-Union Leninist Young Communist League (Komsomol) chapter in Mogilev from 1977 to 1978. While in the Soviet Army, Lukashenko was a deputy political officer of the 120th Guards Motor Rifle Division, which was based in Minsk.In 1979, he joined the ranks of the CPSU. After leaving the military, he became the deputy chairman of a collective farm in 1982 and in 1985, he was promoted to the post of director of the Gorodets state farm and construction materials plant in the Shklow district.[22] In 1987, he was appointed as the director of the Gorodets state farm in Shklow district and in early 1988, was one of the first in Mogilev Region to introduce a leasing contract to a state farm.[23]
In 1990, Lukashenko was elected Deputy to the Supreme Council of the Republic of Belarus. Having acquired a reputation as an eloquent opponent of corruption, Lukashenko was elected in April 1993 to serve as the interim chairman of the anti-corruption committee of the Belarusian parliament.[24] In late 1993 he accused 70 senior government officials, including the Supreme Soviet chairman Stanislav Shushkevich and prime minister Vyacheslav Kebich, of corruption including stealing state funds for personal purposes. While the charges ultimately proved to be without merit, Shushkevich resigned his chairmanship due to the embarrassment of this series of events and losing a vote of no-confidence.[25][26] He served in that position until July 1994.
>>546232same
I'm a beast in hearts of iron, ukrops don't stand a chance
>>546255The Russians are using midgets
A bus full of 3 foot tall saboteurs was recently captured and tortured glory to Ukraine glory to the heroes
We are winning
>>546279based liberator
I kneel
>>546279idk fam, looks like the daeths were going down and the situation was normalising
now the deaths are at all time high again because he secalated the conflict
>>546293>bourgeoisie, oligarchsanonymous, they fled the country several days before putler stepped in
mafia bosses probably fled beforehand too
>>546291>You are, and I am not exaggerating when I say this, a fucking moronic fascist at this point. Blood greases the wheels of history, huh? Glad you're happy you fucking cuntCope
>greases the wheels of history, huh?Yes has there ever been a case when it has not?
>>546307>zoomer Vidya brainthe ironing
https://tass.com/world/1403109don't ask me to do your homework again or I'm gonna have to shag ur mum again in retaliation
>>546319Yeah raw onions are good
T. Texan
>>546335Because I didn't ask about what would happen in a world "without russia" you fucking retard. I asked in what way a stronger russia would help places like yemen to resist NATO.
Furthermore this is pure hypothetical wankery since even if Russia wins in this conflict, they won't come out stronger out of it in the short term.
>>546351>How would a stronger Russia, one of the main bulwarks of the anti-NATO axis, help weaker partners in resisting the NATO axis. Im not sure what the fuck you want to say to me. Short term this may fucking well be ass for Russia but if it manages to stabilize Ukraine in its favour it retakes not only the westernized resources and productive forces for itself, but also a safe access for its fleet. Likewise this decoupling of Russian capital flows will force them to ingrain itself more into China.
>>801962Didnt say this was AES dipshit retard. Just said it was anti NATO axis.
>Venezuela is fucked and kinda sucks therfore we cant count it as AES.Retard
>>546357>>546360>You can tell this was made by someone who believes in the ghost of kyivIt was:
>Soldiers reaching legendary statusthat did it for me. He said plural. He probably believes in the whore of kiev and the autist of kiev and the iron man of kiev as well.
>>546364Based chinese.
I'm literally at work wasting time on ukraine-russia spectacle.
>>546346its a corrupt state subservient to their local oligarchs and to nato, with ties with nazis who wield significant power in the armed forces and institutions
but its not a straight up "nazi regime"
>>546392russians can't do much about the stalling and ukraine is stalling for reasons of the west being super slow to act so they give them enough time that maybe some warhawks will go full attack mode
this and also the cynical hope that russians will commit well documented atrocities on civvies that will accelerate the restart of history even more
>>546396That Zelensky
yyyyYYYYYYYY photo is from April 2021 LOLOLOLOL
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9476571/Biden-tells-Putin-time-escalate-Ukrainian-border.htmlImagine reposting NATO propaganda like a redditor.
>>546436>>fight for the kurds<<Jail! Terrorist!LOL WUT
is this another anarkiddie fantasy?
>>546381My personal analyses of this as the poster, seems to indicates to me that Russia was prepared for a rapid and swift transfer of political power, believing that the Dancing With The Stars winner Zelensky would flee the country and save his own butt, and once the government fell the military would surrender without a war leaving the Russia riot police to keep the people in the city from rioting and looting and establishing calm and preventing social unrest to protect the people and the infrastructure.
Allow me to go even farther and to say that it is my belief that the U.S. wanted, and perhaps had no plans for the opposite of Zelensky staying and fighting. They tried multiple times to evacuate him even offering to send him a private jet.
After all the last U.S. propped up government in Afghanistan fled the country before any of the children even got on planes.
Saddam Hussein, who ruled for decades, ran and hid in a hole.
Who would have banked on Zelensky of all people, actually staying and rallying his nation to fight?
>>546431How do I unsee this.
Absolutely fucking cursed.
Man, what a fucking bummer. How are these people even fucking real, I swear to god these ghouls are created in some factory by a cartoon villain.
>>546431>Yes, it would be worthwhile to study clinically, in detail, the steps taken by Hitler and Hitlerism and to reveal to the very distinguished, very humanistic, very Christian bourgeois of the twentieth century that without his being aware of it, he has a Hitler inside him, that Hitler inhabits him, that Hitler is his demon, that if he rails against him, he is being inconsistent and that, at bottom, what he cannot forgive Hitler for is not the crime in itself, the crime against man, it is not the humiliation of man as such, it is the crime against the white man, the humiliation of the white man, and the fact that he applied to Europe colonialist procedures which until then had been reserved exclusively for the Arabs of Algeria, the "coolies" of India, and the "uyghurs" of Africa.>And that is the great thing I hold against pseudo-humanism: that for too long it has diminished the rights of man, that its concept of those rights has been - and still is - narrow and fragmentary, incomplete and biased and, all things considered, sordidly racist. >I have talked a good deal about Hitler. Because he deserves it: he makes it possible to see things on a large scale and to grasp the fact that capitalist society, at its present stage, is incapable of establishing a concept of the rights of all men, just as it has proved incapable of establishing a system of individual ethics. Whether one likes it or not, at the end of the blind alley that is Europe, I mean the Europe of Adenauer, Schuman, Bidault, and a few others, there is Hitler. At the end of capitalism, which is eager to outlive its day, there is Hitler. At the end of formal humanism and philosophic renunciation, there is Hitler. >>546455>Who would have banked on Zelensky of all people, actually staying Yes he was ordered by the west to stay
>and rallying his nation to fight?By which you mean the forced conscription of all males and forbidding males 18-60 from leaving the country at the borders, by presidential decree.
So yeah the brave ZeleskyyyyyYYYY has holed himself in Kiev and decreed that every Ukranian male must die to hinder the Russian military with their bodies. SO BRAVE! >>546479Literally this, there has been ongoing conflicts all over the world for over 3 decades now, and nobody says a thing.
Ukraine was bombing DNR and LNR for the past 8 years and no one says a thing.
But Russia wants to do a regime change in Ukraine and it's only been like 4-5 days and everyone loses their shit.
>>546493Yes.
At least in Kiev the russian goverment is letting them leave.
Other thing is if the Ukrainian army is
letting them leave. That's a different question.
<commander of an anti-tank vehicle. Was abandoned by his commanding officers near Crimea after the vehicle had broken down."They're feeding us well, I am sleeping in a bed"
https://t.me/Postovo/3869>>546449Yeah, it's weird isn't it? I was told that the Russians are bloodthirsty savages and have no respect for prisoners!
>>546488Except in America you get canceled, not as much in Europe because even though Europe is multi ethnic, it's not multi ethnic in the way the US is or North America in general is. There is alot of racism here yes but Europe is a different kind of racism, that can be got rid of by "Americanization" or having similar ethnic mixing the way the Americas have and the UK to an extent since the UK is similar to the US in terms of multi-ethnicity.
The rest of continental Europe is not so "lucky", their racism runs deeper in a different way and I consider it even more harmful than what we have in the Americas for exactly the same reasons as how that kind of rhetoric in that post is given a blind eye to.
>>546484>99% of official media and social mediaSo they are winning the war of perception but are losing the war on the ground.
Doesn't seem very sustainable.
>>546485No obviously not, they said it precisely so the russians would refuse, because the task of the ukrainian government is to bleed ukraine white for the entertainment/propaganda purposes of NATO.
Now Zelensky gets to go back and say 'well we tried but evil russkies just want to kill us all' and the libs will counter anyone questioning ukraine's position with 'umm actually crimea is ukraine sweaty, deal with it' before posting an azov fancam at you.
>>546512to be exploited by local and russian oligarchs aint much better than local and euro oligarchs
The best we can hope is that putin, wanting to stabilize it, put a truly popular socdem government in charge. But that sound way too optimistic for 2022
>>546498Ukrainian justification for stationing troops in apartment buildings, mortar in schoolyards and tanks behind offices is that "it's a city, where else are they supposed to go?"
Sadly, there is no other way.
Unfortunately this must happen so that European Ukraine can recapture Donetsk, its rightful clay, and resume its reign of genocidal terror there.
>>546468>Russia has invaded the country in February of 2014that's not really true. the Russians were already in Crimea (they had been leasing that naval base since forever), and any other forces they deployed came after Yanukovych was ousted by a coup and asked Putin to send in troops (to which Putin annexed Crimea so as to protect the critically important strategic naval base in Sevastopol.
in Donbas, there was a few officers that were sent in and organized a militia (guys like Strelkov), but the vast majority of those fighting for DPR/LPR secessionist side were Ukrainian citizens (in a survey of 1000 released POW's done by Ivan Katchanovski, ~95% of them had Ukrainian passports)
>>546536Don't be sad, Khokhol.
>>546537It's just one guy not in Russian armed forces who's fucking pissed at Nazis doing this shit. It will never catch on, and you get a sweet taste of revenge before going over the edge
>>546533that last reply is basically "i am fighting near mariupol, mama why are we baby killing fascists in donbass?"
it's kinda insane tho, a whole generation is never gonna heal because of this shit
>>546554Good point. Why is he indoors? Where is any evidence of military gear? Was this part of a series of pictures? Or do we really only have a hand and a phone?
Anyways here's a machine translated.
You guys can use this link when you want to translate photos:
https://translate.yandex.com/ocr >>546119Nah.
I have heavy doubts that the vote would pass the 2/3rds required in the parliament.
>>546572I just ran it through the translate. Ask the other guy:
>>546533I don't know where he got it from.
>>546564yeah that's cruel
on the other hand it could've been written by anyone, and we have seen the hohol ministry of defense post trying pass footage from arma III as real footage
>>546152why the fuck you censor the name???
i wanna destroy this cuck
>>546588Reading a Reddit thread about Ukraine praising Azov yesterday
All I've found so far is this article saying they were going to do it but idk if the bill passed
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/04/27/dear-ukraine-please-dont-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-nationalists-russia-bandera-rada/ https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1498321143899598856(Reuters) - Germany's Enercon on Monday said a "massive disruption" of satellite connections in Europe was affecting the operations of 5,800 wind turbines in central Europe.
It said the satellite connections stopped working on Thursday, knocking out remote monitoring and control
THE WAR HAS REACHED SPACE
>>546561Quality of life will plummet compared to what it is now, but it won't wipe Russia from the map or put them out of the game or anything. The real question is if it'll push petites enough to start scheming, and if they're clever enough to get Putin out of the Kremlin.
Doubt it though.
>>546616^
This is why the Ruskies brought riot police units for the anon who asked before
One of the funniest shit is, unknown to the majority of people, is that armor and such have a limited lifespan. I mean, tanks are supposed to get their engine replaced entirely after a very short period of time due to wearing out. Given that the absolute majority of Ukrop videos feature empty convoys with no corpses, well…
>>546616>Donetsk is UkraineOh, sweet Khokhol children…
Russian tycoon Oleg Deripaska says time to end 'state capitalism' in Russiahttps://twitter.com/AFP/status/1498266443586187265This is what I mean when I say that Russian comrades must be ready.
There will be turmoil in Russia.
>>546598>>546598http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=54689^the actual bill containing the law
>Law no. 2538-1 "On the Legal Status and Honoring of the Memory of the Fighters for the Independence of Ukraine in the 20th Century" — elevating several historical organizations, including the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, to official status and assures social benefits to their surviving members.https://www.jta.org/2018/02/06/global/poland-isnt-the-only-country-trying-to-police-what-can-be-said-about-the-holocausthttps://newrepublic.com/article/121880/new-laws-ukraine-make-it-illegal-bring-its-ugly-pasthttps://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/02/the-historian-whitewashing-ukraines-past-volodymyr-viatrovych/^good article on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_decommunization_lawsdon't listen to idiots like this
>>546600, investigate for yourself
>>546648It's DPR/LPR. Those are militias
/k/ is retards who believe in american superiority. Believing in american superiority fries your brains
>>546630Nope, sorry Putin imperialist shill, but those are Russian uniforms. Ukrainian uniforms look slightly more U.S style camo.
Russians have been dying in big numbers over the past few days. The casualty figures provided by the Ukrainians for Russian KIAs are probably close to accurate as much as it makes you seethe.
>>546648Not a shit post, thank you.
>>546653It can still go many ways. The bank run is the real big homeland issue for him right now, though that can be smoothed over once things cool down.
>>546665<6000 deaths is accurate1000 would be too much.
Real losses are probably around 7-800 for Russia.
>>546659Because he gambled on the Russian invasion of Ukraine being something that would be over in a week's time, he was probably delusional enough to think there was actually a significant contingent of pro-Russian sentiment in Ukraine which is objectively false (even in Donetsk for instance 60% of the population identifies as Ukrainian, and Russian Army hasn't even managed to fully capture Donetsk or Luhansk).
Now NATO, Russia's geopolitical "enemy", is completely galvanized, the EU is truly united for the first time in our lifetimes, Finland is floating NATO membership, the ruble has collapsed and extreme western sanctions including SWIFT have made Russian oligarchs VERY nervous.
The more sanctions and the longer the war drags on, the more likely oligarchs are to overthrow Putin. It probably won't lead to a bottom up revolution of the Russian people but the oligarchs could 100% attempt to organize an anti-Putin coup.
>>546674Russians are sending in the reserves mate, look, no cage.
They're running out of tanks
>>546676ok maybe even as high. 5000 quadrillions as Ukraine claims is just cope but I shouldnt cope the other way around.
F for the brave soldiers dying for a new multipolar world
>>546662It is for fast moving jets with chaff/flair that can go supersonic, but supply drops from large, slow moving transport planes is risky with the U.S. now supplying Stinger missiles to Ukraine (As of yesterday they moved a huge shipment into Ukraine according to U.S. military reports). Risking moving supplies by helicopter is very risky. And landing at airfields directly with huge transport planes is a nightmare in a hostile unsecured warzone. None of the airfields have fence lines or walls (from what photos show), just fucking wide open at this point.
An army marches on its stomach, logistics wins wars.
>>546679It seems to me too few.
After all combat is raging everywhere and Russians are on the offensive side, which usually takes the greater casualties (this is not the case but I say it to give a measure of comparison).
The DPR/LPR data could be pretty accurate though. They're advancing without rushing it.
>>546691>that's what you should be rooting for.Oh yea?
Then how about Ukraine not joining NATO then and stop praising Nazis,and allowing DNR and LNR to exist as their own republics.
>>546684Then you know, at this point, that the majority of their force was held in reserve.
Obviously shitposting online wont change the outcome but please don't bring these psychologic operations here. Be realistic about the progress of the war. I don't like living in opposite land we are in right now where gaining territory = losing, losing all airfields = winning, retreating = winning, getting encircled = winning
Retired french colonel michel goya assessment :
Update on operations in Ukraine 28 February 0930 D+4
General impression: After the failure of the "operative shock", the Russians are returning to a method of successive operations by concentrating resources on Kiev and secondarily the Kharkov-Melitopol axis. The other armies are placed on pause or in defense.
Situation
Airspace: significant Russian effort thanks to reinforcement in Belarus. Numerous strikes in the depths of the theater (proclamation of air supremacy this morning) before concentrating the effort on the city of Kiev in preparation for and in support of the ground forces
Kiev zone: after reinforcements from Belarus, including Belarusians, the methodical investment of Kiev by the 36th (West) then 41st A (North and East) + light forces + air support began. The light forces continued their infiltration.
North-East zone: the 20th A was slowed down by the enemy (an ABG was destroyed near Sumi) and by logistical problems. The 1st ABG struggled to seize Kharkov. A division would have bypassed the city to reach Kupiansk, south-east of Kharkov.
Donbass zone: situation unchanged in the 8th A zone. Junction of 49th A with 58th A (East) + Naval Brigade. Continuity of terrain between Crimea and Donbass. Difficult siege of the port of Mariupol.
Crimea-Dnepr area: 58th A (West) in defensive posture. Fighting in Khierson, which Ukrainian forces have retaken. Russian position of Mikolayev in difficulty. First known use of TB2 Bayraktar armed drone by Ukr forces. Russian naval forces in front of Odessa.
Possible developments
Major fighting, with slow progress (1/km day) should begin in Kiev within two days.
Unknowns: 1 will the Russians consider the population as a hindrance to them and encourage its departure or as a burden for the defense?
2 How much firepower will the Russians use between crushing the defense and preserving historic Kiev (the focus of Russophile discourse) and its population? In any case, the Russians need a quick victory.
2nd axis of effort on the Kharkov-Zaporozhie axis. The 1st ABG was slowed down by Kharkov and the 58th A saw its resources dispersed between the Dnieper in the West, the siege of Marioupol and the progression towards the North. Perhaps it is necessary to expect the reinforcement of the 58th A from the base of Rostov.
Still no commitment of the 35th A in the west of Ukraine. Perhaps due to lack of logistical resources.
Remarks
1 After 4 days of fighting, Russian human and material losses exceed those of 6 years of engagement in Syria. The Russian army will inevitably come out of this war worn out. It remains to be seen to what degree.
2 Importance of low-cost armed drones of the TB-2 type for a force that does not have air superiority (and even the others).
3 Resistance of cities: importance of competent, motivated and numerous light infantry to defend or conquer. The Russian model is poorly adapted to the conquest of cities. The Russian light infantry is superior to its motorized infantry but insufficient in number.
Gradual transformation of Ukrainian regular forces from a regular army to an urban guerrilla army.
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>>546698All destroyed by a SINGLE Ukrainian patriot with slingshot.
>>802422Easiest to spot as low quality. Give them a moment to purge this trash fire of a thread.
>>546520>Real question: How do you counter drones? If they have a control center, you blow that up.
If that is not an option, and drones are rather large, you treat them like any manned fighter-airplane, and shoot anti-air weapons at them. If there is a swarm of small drones, em-jamming and smoke screens could neutralize their effectiveness. It might be possible to destroy large numbers of small drones with an electro magnet pulse weapon. Or you could just wait 25 minutes until they run out of battery. Also Helicopter down draft can blow away drones, if you want to clear out drones from a small area because you are trying to evacuate people.
>I mean drones are nothing new yet even modern army's seem to struggle against them. No they don't, modern military will just do decapitation strikes against command and control infrastructure or airbases.
>Is the future of war literally just gonna be drones and autonomous vehicles warfare?Drones are only effective against a really technologically backwards force.
>>546704>Fighting in Khierson, which Ukrainian forces have retaken.That's how I know this guy drinks Ukrop psyop-aid. So, nah.
>>546709There's no organized resistance, it's just bands of Nazis taking potshots.
>>546714wallonia once blocked a very very important decision to - lemme google
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37749236oh yeah. American "free trade". The amount of cope and "you bastards we will bomb you to ruins" was glorious to see. Yes wallonia is just half of a country but they had a vote nonetheless, and in major EU decisions every vote needs to say yes.
>>546716I'm not making Putin apologies but I think it's clear that Russia wanted to take Ukraine with minimal civilian casualties and change the government.
So if/when Russia takes off the kid's gloves, it'll be the NATO puppets fault for deciding their citizens need to human wave the russians for the NATO foreign policy PR fund.
>>546725now watch leftypol make excuses for-
>>546726Goddammit
>>546726While the whole Putler thing is way overblown: you don't employ missile strikes on cities with people in the subway system below when you want "minimal civilian casualties".
I'm sure that one of the plans was to just waltz in and steamroll everything, no proverbial shot fired, but that changed very quickly.
>>546728This whole thing seems to have put a spin on that. That's the real milestone out of all of this: primary (re-)militarization of NATO countries.
>>546746if Putin goes "Ok sorry everything back to status quo k?" he will look extremely weak.
Kiev is about to fall, hell if he wanted he could take it in 2 days, do it and force them to surrender.
>>546731>>546742You know, the Ukranian government can surrender any time and solve things diplomatically. Instead of forbidding the exit of males 18-60 from he country and enacting forced conscription. They have chosen otherwise which, hey, maybe NATO can support the morale with propaganda and weapons, but that's the Ukrnaian government essentially deciding every Ukranian citizen must die before the west loses it's puppet.
So yeah Ukranians got a great deal with the Euromaidan huh?
>>546748You do realize Russians can't airstrike everything because lack of PGMs makes any approach incredibly dangerous? Ukraine is filled with stringers now so you can't just fly in with your su-25
Russia doesn't have capabilities NATO had in Afganistan or serbia
>>546741I don't know what to tell you man. Its a warzone but its a city. People are going for food, visiting family, going to the hospital, renting a laserdisc from BlockBuster video.
But you might want to switch over to Cricket Wireless to stand in solidarity.
>>546752I am concerned but I cant tread them as noble states worth considering.
Of cause Ill ramp up resistance where I live, literally the center of this beast.
>>546751Reminds of anti soviet warrior Osama. I haven’t watched Novara in the last week because I can’t bare to see them. No the whole of Ukraine isn’t azov but they are more significant than the BBC want you to think an they are the main beneficiaries of western military backing.
The bbc is my least favourite news outlet bar none. They can all get pitted
>>546761Fuck no, the EU still went a long with everything, even if they didn't send in the whole cavalry. I'm just worried about how far they'll go now.
For a brief window in modern history, Europe was sliding towards the dove. That's all gone now, the clock set back.
>>546725Seems dubious as fuck tbh, you would surely be fucked shooting a fellow soldier in front of hundreds of other soldiers, and just because they tried to stop you shooting some random civilian? Then the other woman survived? So it was worth shooting another soldier in front of hundreds of people who have a non-zero chance of killing you for it, but then you let the woman they're with go?
Is it just me?
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