No.546734
>>546645Damn, though I wonder if european intelligence might have a stake in this conflict?
No.546735
The ukrainian government seems to go more fascist every day, they outright lie in social media, they take over civilian apartments and school driving out their own people, they actively instigate doubt among their own civilians and encourage them to kill "saboteurs".
I thought it was complete Maupinite propaganda at first, but now maybe Russia is actually waging a war of liberation to denazify ukraine.
No.546737
>>546729There is offensive in the East, Kiev isn't the main objective and also they employ human shield tactics, Putin avoids civilian casualties
No.546739
>>546729Russia has stopped the advance to wait for reinforcements until literally today. Yeah it wasnt going as well as planned but they did whats right and - changed the situation and reinforced supplies now instead of making it a more dangerous problem in a week
No.546740
>>546703Nah, the Americans know the Ukrainians are fucked. The conflict lasting longer just lets them do more shit to fuck with Russia and the EU.
No.546741
>>546725I literally don’t believe any piece of footage I’m seeing atm. That apartment block hit by the missile was fake. I’ve seen footage of a guy in front of a tank I’m sure is old as fuck and I’ve seen before. I’ve seen footage of Palestinian girls shouting at an idf solider people were claiming was a Ukrainian shouting at a Russian soldier.
No.546742
>>546726While the whole Putler thing is way overblown: you don't employ missile strikes on cities with people in the subway system below when you want "minimal civilian casualties".
I'm sure that one of the plans was to just waltz in and steamroll everything, no proverbial shot fired, but that changed very quickly.
>>546728This whole thing seems to have put a spin on that. That's the real milestone out of all of this: primary (re-)militarization of NATO countries.
No.546743
>>546738The cuck kettle….
No.546744
>>546661While that is true, ethno nationalism is still institutionalized as part of this anti-russia campaign. And Naziism is a real issue too, where many politicians have ties to nazi groups.
No.546745
>>546725There are people walking round casually while there are dead bodies in a park area?
No.546747
>>546742a spin in that it got worse or better? I dont really give a shit about EU, how anybody wants to be a part of it after Greece makes me wonder how stupid politicians can be. But theyre glad to sell their country for a short term gain as companies are I guess
No.546748
>>546733>Terrain matters less when your shoulder fired missile outranges an tank cannonComplete nonsense the ukrop milita are only suited for making urban combat a nightmare for the Russians without anywhere for them to retreat they will get air striked.
No.546749
>>546731I don't really give a shit if you think people are "making excuses." This is what it is. Russia took an approach to minimized casualties for political reasons and it did not pay off. Now, Zelensky says Ukraine will recapture Donestk. The war will become total, because of this political decision.
No.546750
>>546746I believe I called this.
No.546752
>>546747EU countries becoming hawkish is something you should be concerned with, as it'll affect world politics. Where they were critical in their support of the U.S. before, they will go all in now.
No.546753
>>546746if Putin goes "Ok sorry everything back to status quo k?" he will look extremely weak.
Kiev is about to fall, hell if he wanted he could take it in 2 days, do it and force them to surrender.
No.546754
>>546746Also it isn’t cucking out, if he secures the east and fighting stops, he’s a literal military and geo political genius. Even though I do think he’s a porky cunt and have never liked him. Source: anyone who saw my Kazakhstan takes
No.546755
https://progressive.org/latest/human-shields-excuse-war-crimes-zunes-210617/Just replace Israel with Russia and Palestine with Ukraine and you will get /leftypol/ putinbros
No.546756
>>546731>>546742You know, the Ukranian government can surrender any time and solve things diplomatically. Instead of forbidding the exit of males 18-60 from he country and enacting forced conscription. They have chosen otherwise which, hey, maybe NATO can support the morale with propaganda and weapons, but that's the Ukrnaian government essentially deciding every Ukranian citizen must die before the west loses it's puppet.
So yeah Ukranians got a great deal with the Euromaidan huh?
No.546757
>>546748You do realize Russians can't airstrike everything because lack of PGMs makes any approach incredibly dangerous? Ukraine is filled with stringers now so you can't just fly in with your su-25
Russia doesn't have capabilities NATO had in Afganistan or serbia
No.546758
>>546752From the perspective of the US, I don't see how Europeans were ever critical of the US. They did everything we wanted to, in every instance, with only a bit of whining (which we found amusing)
No.546759
>>546741I don't know what to tell you man. Its a warzone but its a city. People are going for food, visiting family, going to the hospital, renting a laserdisc from BlockBuster video.
But you might want to switch over to Cricket Wireless to stand in solidarity.
No.546760
>>546756Not sure why you tagged me in that.
No.546761
>>546752I am concerned but I cant tread them as noble states worth considering.
Of cause Ill ramp up resistance where I live, literally the center of this beast.
No.546762
>>546756They don't have to surrender, but they could surrender the separatist territories. They don't want to do that though, they want to murder everyone inside of them.
No.546764
Also Zelensky is the most dumb retard ever born, how are you supposed to "de-escalate" while demanding immediate membership to NATO?
That should be enough for Putin to cancel negotiations and kill the bastard already, literally anyone else would be better, in fact if he was dead this war would end immediately.
No.546766
>>546751Reminds of anti soviet warrior Osama. I haven’t watched Novara in the last week because I can’t bare to see them. No the whole of Ukraine isn’t azov but they are more significant than the BBC want you to think an they are the main beneficiaries of western military backing.
The bbc is my least favourite news outlet bar none. They can all get pitted
No.546767
>>546764Zelensky is not intended to de-escalate. He requested the negotiations today in order to announce his intention to escalate the war and make no compromise on Donbas.
No.546768
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No.546769
>>546761Fuck no, the EU still went a long with everything, even if they didn't send in the whole cavalry. I'm just worried about how far they'll go now.
For a brief window in modern history, Europe was sliding towards the dove. That's all gone now, the clock set back.
No.546770
>>546762"Ok, you can't have our country but you can have the piece of our country on our border where they like you a little more and which you already invaded."
No.546771
>>546765why would tankies do this???
No.546772
>>546770They don't like them a little more. They were declared separatist regions that were defacto Russia.
No.546773
>>546754Do you think the Russians are experiencing unexpected set backs. A quick operation would suit them best, as it remove a lot of the motivation for heavy NATO sanctions/aid, but they need to balance that with the need to avoid levelling cities etc.
No.546774
>>546769yes, for Europe this whole ordeal makes one thing undeniable - were nothing but a colony for the US. More important than you think cause Anti-Americanism in words flies very well here. Fucking fakers, traitors, nice-weather-revelouuzers
No.546775
>>546288This is honestly a good idea IRL too, not just in HOI4.
No.546776
>>546691guyz, our glow friend has seen enough. lay down your arms.
No.546777
>>546725Seems dubious as fuck tbh, you would surely be fucked shooting a fellow soldier in front of hundreds of other soldiers, and just because they tried to stop you shooting some random civilian? Then the other woman survived? So it was worth shooting another soldier in front of hundreds of people who have a non-zero chance of killing you for it, but then you let the woman they're with go?
Is it just me?
No.546778
>>546765He is still seething that the KGB used the Erectile Dysfunction Gun on him.
No.546779
>>546526>huge ass rocket that lands and does not explodeIt's a depleted first stage, most probably.
No.546780
>>546105>>546124"Converting" /pol/yps was a mistake.
No.546782
I've been in an Elden Ring induced coma for the past two days. What's changed?
No.546783
>>803538
The US is driving Europe into Chinese arms
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