>>574719Why not just cycle the thread?
Also man these political internet memes/zoomer political cartoons are really ugly. I pity the poor kids who'll have to study them in the future in school lmao.
>>574729Image originally made for the
winter spring summer counteroffensyiv, be very afraid of the snow leopards.. in summer..
>>574736When nothing is
habbening! the threads are made permanent, but when there is something
habbening! a new thread gets created.
Just to change the image in OP to remain relevant really.
>>574736>>574737And to archive discussion
>>574741Did you accidentally try to post the same post after you submitted it? Or perhaps posting images too quickly? If you get problems again just let me know in the mod feedback thread stickied in meta and I will look into it with devs. Same for anyone.
>>574738>>574739Thanks for the update.
On a semi unrelated note, I've seen people claim that many of the vehicles that were abandonned have been recovered and repaired. Is there any truth to that claim, or is it another cope?
>>574746As with most things, it's likely a half troop, they may have been able to recover some lighter vehicles, the Leopard 2s everyone is overexcited about, officially, drove over mines and threw their tracks. That's really going to complicate getting the tracks repaired in the field since they've driven it into a minefield that's also being covered by the Russians, so it's unlikely they're going to manage it under fire while also avoiding mines.
Alternatively, they weren't damaged by mines but rather by a penetration by something, possible a HEAT missile, in which case it may not even be able to move under its own power without repair.
Basically, recovery is not a simple and easy task when you've not won the battle or while the battle is still on going and this was always considered a big concern when sending MBTs to Ukraine.
>>574753Alternatively, perhaps you can explain why Ukraine dumped a load of petal mines over Lugansk and Donbass? They're harder to remove, they're scattered so there's no map showing where they are, those cities aren't part of the active frontzone and is purely civilian.
The mines on the frontzone are laid where the fighting is taking place, it's unlikely any civilians will be harmed or killed by them and the Russians know where they're planted and can easily remove them once fighting is complete.
Laying mines in territory you control is defensive, you're not surrendering the idea that the land is yours if you lay mines on it, if anything it's the opposite. Scattering petal mines over civilians in cities you do not control and cannot easily clean up is surrendering that territory and the result is just typical Kievian cruelty towards "traitorous" civilians.
>>574779This is what happens when you get too emotionally invested in chauvinist propaganda (spooks) you start subscribing to random ass totally not FSB glowbot yt account.
Like i know Azovites are crazy ISIS-tier fashoids, but really?
>>574785Pathetic.
>>574786Two more years is fine with me. That's enough time to kill off more Ukrainian Nazoids and Russian mercs. I'm glad they're dying and I'll be as glad when /ukraine/ incels get conscripted into their own Westoid militaries to die in the Pacific. The last thing a Westoid zigger will see is PLAN anti ship missiles slamming into their troop transports.
>>574789why would ziggers want to fight against china lmao this makes no sense
I know if I got conscripted I'd wait for the right moment to frag my co
>>574807I'm too old for a combat position so I'd be in the rear sabotaging and black marketeering.
>>574809Humanity began in the Caucasus mountains. Which is why Stalin was the most evolved human.
http://kcna.kp/en/article/q/2cb8e95b916d44727016a379bfa63f59.kcmsfPyongyang, June 12 (KCNA) – Kim Jong Un, president of the State Affairs of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, sent a message of greeting to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, president of the Russian Federation, on Monday.
He in the message offered warm congratulations on behalf of the government of the DPRK and its people to the president and the government of the Russian Federation and the friendly Russian people on their national day.
The message appreciated that the strong and wise Russian people have made proud history and culture for a long time since they took their deep roots in their vast land, and covered a proud path of development, demonstrating the dignity and might of a powerful country.
It said that thanks to the correct decision and guidance of the Russian president, the struggle of the Russian people to foil the hostile forces' escalating threats and challenges to deprive Russia of its sovereignty, security and peaceful life has entered a new decisive phase.
Justice is sure to win and the Russian people will continue to add glory to the history of victory, the tradition peculiar to them, the message stressed.
It noted that the people of the DPRK are extending full support and solidarity to the Russian people in their all-out struggle for implementing the sacred cause to preserve the sovereign rights, development and interests of their country against the imperialists' high-handed and arbitrary practices and to realize the international justice.
The message said that the DPRK-Russia friendship, which has weathered all trials of history generation after generation and century after century, is a precious strategic asset common to the two countries and it is the fixed stand of the DPRK government to ceaselessly develop the good neighborly and cooperative relations, as required by the new era.
The respected Comrade Kim Jong Un in his message affirmed his willingness to strive for closer strategic cooperation between the DPRK and Russia, holding hands firmly with the Russian president, in conformity with the common desire of the peoples of the two countries to fulfill the grand goal of building a powerful country and reliably defend global peace and security.
The message sincerely wished the Russian president good health and bigger success in his responsible work, and the friendly Russian people constant prosperity, development and victory. -0-
>https://t.me/boris_rozhin/88708Broke: The state supplying your gear
Woke: Crowdsourcing your gear
Jokes aside is nice to see regular russian people supporting the war effort.
>>574825i hate the adjective "revisionist" because it says nothing. what is being revised? why has it been revised? who revised it? when did they revise it? what was their motivation? The confederate-slanted "Dunning School" of history dominated the American South after the civil war, but was revised in the mid 20th century. That revision was
good. Not all revision is
bad. Marxism is flexible wissenschaft. We correct
past mistakes.
>>574824Juche always has been right.
>>574840I don't know how many times I've had to say this on this stupid board: that isn't what Marxists mean when they say "revisionist." Imagine not knowing that, and then using words like wissenshaft to try and sound smart.
>>574866egg = balls
basically dick measuring contest
>>574852>I don't know how many times I've had to say this on this stupid board: that isn't what Marxists mean when they say "revisionist." oh wow marxists always have a 2nd definition for various words that's different from how they're commonly used. And then you wonder why people are confused.
>then using words like wissenshaft to try and sound smart.no i used it to avoid confusion with "science"
>>574890Meds and BBWC now
>>574891Wagnerites are as brutal as the Franks. At this point however Burkinabes don't have much choices with IS staring down at them from Cabo Delgado
>>574884>marxists always have a 2nd definition for various words that's different from how they're commonly usedThis is hardly unique to Marxism. If you look around, you'll find that this is common to basically all arts, sciences, wissenshaften, or other fields of technical expertise. Part of engaging with Marxism, or any other knowledge domain, is learning the lingo.
Now, clearly you've studied enough to be familiar with the whole "is Marxism a science" debate. And yet, use apparently don't know what Marxists mean by "revisionist." Maybe you are ignorant, but this is usually a sophistical trick: by pointing out that it is okay to be a revisionist in the normal sense, you make it seem as though it is okay to be a revisionist in the Marxist sense (which it is not).
>>574903>buh muh rusichoink
Also use yandex retard, there are like 2-3 actual Russian speakers here
>>574904Did I say something about there being tons of nazism in Russia? No. I just said that Rusich are ultra-nationalists fascists, denying such a fact is lying to yourself.
I really hate how in our leftist community Rusich has been whitewashed to be "the good kind of nazis…not like azov!".
>>574908>Rusich had been spoken of highly on this general beforeNo it hasn't, at best there are people saying it's not as bad as Azov because it's a few dozen volunteers somewhere and not a state-integrated paramilitary
>and various "leftists" in Russia love to talk about how they're not nazis and are must be supported because they have a common "enemy".I don't know about that. I follow some strongly Z leaning Russian leftists and everyone uniformly distances themselves from Rusich. Everyone is just tired of this fairly irrelevant gang of retards being brought up as some thought terminating bothsidesist cliche
>>574919Sorry, I've seen people say they are before.
>>574915Rusich calls Azov "ukrobolsheviks" lmfao
>>574889>Agent Z<A pacifist Jew who accidentally ended up in charge of a fascist state. His mission? To get his ultranationalist crazies to suicide charge against the Russian military until they're all dead and he can finally sign a damn surrender treaty.vs.
>Agent P<A liberal western sympathizer who just wishes that NATO and America could stop trying to balkanize Russia. His mission? Invade Ukraine in the slowest and friendliest way possible while giving every opportunity to allow NATO to escalate so that he can lose and retreat from Ukraine, after pretending to have done all he could, so that his porky friends can have their sanctions removed and go back to summer vacationing in Europe.With both leaders fighting as hard as they can to lose, who will win? Find out next time on /leftypol/.
>>574876>Russian engineering has proven to be one of the stronger branches of the Russian military. Russian engineers have been constructing complex obstacles and field fortifications across the front. This includes concrete reinforced trenches and command bunkers, wire-entanglements, hedgehogs, anti-tank ditches, and complex minefields. Russian mine laying is extensive and mixes anti-tank and victim-initiated anti-personnel mines, the latter frequently being laid with multiple initiation mechanisms to complicate breaching. These defences pose a major tactical challenge to Ukrainian offensive operations.>It is notable that Russian doctrine, with a heavy emphasis on direct and indirect fires, has long prescribed that formations should dig in as soon as possible when static. If no engineering support is available, they are to do so by hand, and are to continue to improve their positions for the duration that they occupy them. As a result, Russian positions often include an extensive range of well-prepared fighting positions. Once Russian troops have taken a position, it is reliably fortified within 12 hours through the digging of fox holes or blasting on less favourable ground. This is rapidly augmented in frontline positions with cut-down trees to create strongpoints for support weapons. Positions are reinforced with concrete where possible, although this is rarely the case in the first line. They also make limited use of decoy positions to obscure the layout of their actual defensive positions and fires plan, although the extent of this practice varies across units.>PERHAPS ONE OF the least discussed elements of the Russian forces during the full-scale invasion of Ukraine has been its engineers. In contrast to much of the Russian forces, its engineers have performed well. The aforementioned speed with which Russian infantry dig, and the scale at which they improve their fighting positions, is noteworthy and is supplemented by combat engineers. Two engineer companies are assigned to each brigade, one focused on mining and the other on force protection engineering>Russian force protection engineering has largely followed its doctrine, with little methodological change since the Cold War. Russian defensive positions generally comprise two to three lines, depending on the context. The first line, along the line of contact, comprises the fighting positions made by the infantry. The second constitutes properly made trenches – as compared with fox holes in the first – and concrete firing posts where possible. Several obstacle belts are laid in front of these positions, usually formed with a 4-m-deep and 6-m-wide anti-tank ditch, dragons’ teeth and wire track entanglements. 24 The trench positions are usually structured as company fighting positions in wood blocks and on ridge lines, placed to cover areas of open ground with fire, rather than as contiguously occupied front lines. The depth of the defence line is usually 5 km from the first, and each belt of physical defences tends to span between 700 m and a kilometre, so that the entire obstacle series is covered by fire. The third line usually comprises fall-back fighting positions and concealed areas for reserves, with positions dug for vehicles. Command posts (CPs), meanwhile, tend to be subterranean and fortified with concrete. The overall depth of defensive fortifications exceeds 30 km on some axes.from a britain think thank based on interviews of ukraine military
https://static.rusi.org/403-SR-Russian-Tactics-web-final.pdf >>574853What did he expect from people of a totalitarian country in military psychosis?
>>1495095> The russian word for "ukraine" is "okraina" which means "borderland" or "countryside".It also could be from relative Polish word, also meaning "borderland". Ukraine was under Polish rule for a few centuries, and Ukrainian language is 90% polonized Russian and 10% village dialect.
>>1495131> it is materially and historically a continuation of WW2 whether you like it or not.Why stop on WW2? It was a continuation of WW1, which followed Napoleonic wars and Britain vs France struggle. We can trace history back to collapse of Roman Empire.
>>574795First Kissinger, then Berluskoni. Enemies of Ukraine are dying one after another.
>>574937>What can Russia or more importantly China offer Arabs?Literally not-ruin. The west has the incentive to subordinate trade to military might through conflict, in order to be in advantage in the cold war, since they are the ones who already have the military presence to do it.
So all BRICS has to say is that, "you know, we don't care what sort of asshole you are, we just want trade and wont be actively seeking to bring ruin and war". Which seem pretty much China's position already.
>>574929>I think he was a RussianThat could have been literally anyone from Eastern Europe then lmao
It's quite funny they build these NAFO variant identities around some kind of obscure in-joke and it turns out to be as weak as "I shot someone I think was a Russian" and that's it, Titanic is based and NAFO is glad it happened because "probably a Russian" was shot for being a coward allegedly and also because it's something to compare the current conflict to in terms of dignity and bravery, and even then it's a comparison in the same way people are comparing the war to Harry Potter.
I'm sure all those people who died feel honoured that their deaths got to be a prop in some Twitter account's meme celebrating death of the correct kind of people.
>>574949 (me)
Now that I think about it, it's celebrating death of both Russians and Ukrainians. Russians because they deserve to die regardless of their individual relation to current events and Ukrainians because their death has the same dignity and bravery as those who died on the Titanic. Over-analysing I know, but that is pretty fucked up that glorious deaths are being used to justify both glorious and inglorious deaths now.
>>574950I mean even if it is, some numpty on Ukraine is going to take it seriously and think
>Yeah, Ukraine is based, just like the James Cameron movieAnd that's also going to piss me off.
>>574962its true, Russians reported it before hohols
inb4 cucktin
>>574967>Like following all of the rules of the United Nations and shit and just watching as NATO coups all your allies and smugly going, "heh, I guess this truly proves the west are the real hypocrites"It appears they aren't immune to being martyrdom loving christtards either
>I say it has to be a Russian attribute because it is consistent through the EmpireDestroy Christianity, unironically
>>574853Azov Something has disowned Jihadi Julian as well lol
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcvfHa-GHSOHFAjU0-Ie57A/community?lb=Ugkxwmm5jg24Yxs0Av44EaB-AL2tLhr5MwJvWhen the war is settled there is gonna be a lot of sorting of the faithful and the heretics. And since it's never not going to be trendy to back Ukraine people like Julian are in for quite the struggle session if they want to keep a career out of sucking up to NATO.
>>574972It's going to be hysterical. Anything short of Ukrainian flags over Sevastopol will result in a purge among libs in the west. Anyone that ever wrote as much as a mild critique of Ukraine pre-war will be cancelled.
What will be even funnier is the idealist libshittery that will follow. Ukraine will continue to exist on lib world maps with borders unchanged. Libs will go out of their way to pretend Ukraine still exists even if every part were to be annexed tomorrow.
Anyone pointing out anything to the contrary will be accused of being a bot or on the payroll of the FSB
>>574975No idea, I'd guess some sort of NATO intervention of a deal negotiated behind closed doors that doesn't ruin the PR for either side and has concessions outside this war. In favor of the RF , obviously, and like the other anon said putting some of the blame on the "lack of (timely) support" for Ukraine or something along those lines as a justification for the continuing hostilities, rearming and "never forgets" to transplant support for other conflicts.
>We did all we could but the villain is hiding behind nukes and that's why proxy wars are a good thing now and we need to get ready for more and be good at empowering freedom seeking allies.I'm betting on not much land changing hands before the settlement, some token agreements on halting NATO-ification only for PR and slowly but surely the Kharkiv and other close by regions east of the Dnieper becoming de-facto Russian or Russian leaning with Ukraine/NATO influence progressively waning east of the river except contested for POIs like resources to extract or military stuff.
>>574980If I had to guess "IT workers" tend to be someone relatively privileged, above the crop of poor people and the distance between them grows the poorer the place is. Picture all the gusano from south American countries who really, really want the US to "bring freedom" to their country and sanction them into starvation. We probably don't get the poorest people who benefit most form leftist policy screeching on social media. Or the one's who would get fucked by the consequences of those calls.
But in this case, this man is a bit more than just a "IT worker", he is the founder of one of those donation collecting "nonprofits" for the Ukraine military, so you can assume that he is at least somewhat connected, pretty fucking rich for Ukrainian standards and a grifter by career.
https://dzygaspaw.com/abouthttps://dzygaspaw.com/heroes >>574998>RFE is reliable>Stirnerfagsurprising take, it's not like Stirnerfags worked in '89 with westoid Soros glow, is it
some things never change
>>575018It's not enough that Ukraine loses
Russia must win
>>575016Better national than comprador
>>575006It's certainly a winning move on the media front
>>575030honestly political reddit is so fucking astroturfed. most normies i talk to who use reddit in any capacity use it the same way you would use tiktok: to look at videos of people's kids being stupid, to look at videos of pets, to look at videos of people doing arts and crafts in a time lapse, to look at videos of epic fails in public.
the reactionary liberals who dogpile onto posts to talk about CCP gommulism no food vuvuzela uyghur genocide blah blah blah are a vocal minority or bots. most westoids
just don't care until it's at their doorstep. And that's also reactionary in its own way, but not in the same way as the reddit sinophobe soyjak.
>>575037yeah, that's how astroturf works. you have millions of sock puppet account voting state department propaganda to the top to give it the appearance of democratic support.
most burgers haven't thought about ukraine since like march of last year. the main sin of burgers is not being MSNBC watching turbonationalist libs, but being selfish narcissists who don't think the world exists outside of america.
>>575047Who built Thebes of the seven gates?
In the books you will find the names of kings.
Did the kings haul up the lumps of rock?
And Babylon, many times demolished
Who raised it up so many times? In what houses
of gold-glittering Lima did the builders live?
Where, the evening that the Wall of China was finished
Did the masons go? Great Rome
Is full of triumphal arches. Who erected them? Over whom
Did the Caesars triumph? Had Byzantium, much praised in song
Only palaces for its inhabitans? Even in fabled Atlantis
The night the ocean engulfed it
The drowning still bawled for their slaves.
The young Alexander conquered India.
Was he alone?
Caesar beat the Gauls.
Did he not have even a cook with him?
Philip of Spain wept when his armada
Went down. Was he the only one to weep?
Frederick the Second won the Seven Year's War. Who
Else won it?
Every page a victory.
Who cooked the feast for the victors?
Every ten years a great man?
Who paid the bill?
So many reports.
So many questions.
>>575038About redditastroturf3. How old is that thread? I recalls seeing the same pic on 4chan back in 2016 ish or maybe my memory is lying to me. But the part that said they insta respond to links but seemingly give organic responses like "nice try bitch".
The pic of the thread seems to be very old, but the interesting part is what it really seems to describe, the insta clicking bots with organic replies seem like they are describing chatbots like GPT.
I always had my doubts this kind of AI language model tech was new and innovative. Just like the internet and WWW, these AI chatbots must have always been a fed black ops project they perfected back in the 2010s and were using to shill for liberalism on reddit. And now they release it to some corporations as a stripped, dumbed down version. But now my doubts are getting more and more heckin valid as I see threads like these, I wonder what kind of disturbing tech they have cooked up now that will be revealed as a product by 2030?
>>575003holy shit lmao. the west is so fucking stupid
>>575053I love that his name is cope, lol
>>575071None, but they will fearmonger as an excuse to militarize in the containment of China, through proxy wars glowops in the third world.
And when they do the false flag, everyone will be so propagandized to expect China "pouncing by surprise/for no reason" that there will be no domestic unrest about brinksmanship or forcing their allies to decouple from China.
>>575082they got mostly reconquered imho.
It looks bettert han it looked yesterday morning. Although there was also quite some cope
>>575082This isn't going to be settled for weeks. It looks like any of the attempts at deep penetration have failed, but the Ukrainians haven't run out of NATO tanks yet.
I would expect emergency shipments of AA units and possibly any NATO fighter that Ukrainian pilots can be cross trained in quickly. Along with more Leopard IIs and maybe even some surprise Abrams.
>>575086i can be ur angle
or ur nitemare
>>574924>Several obstacle belts are laid in front of these positions, usually formed with a 4-m-deep and 6-m-wide anti-tank ditch, dragons’ teeth and wire track entanglements.>dragons' teethlol
lmao
they sure are using dragons' teeth alright
>>575102Some group of hohol Hax0rs single handedly analyzes the whole missile complex and write a software update that Pushes Nato air defence from dog tier to god tier and saved Raytheon engineers decade of work.
Or maybe Ukrainians are the real WH40k orcs who can change reality if they just really believe that something will happen
>No air superiority>Almost no CAS of any kind>The mine clearing vehicles keep being blown up>Ka-50s can pick off armored spearheads from 10km away>Putting mechanized behind infantry results in heavy casualties from artillery>MRAPs can't be used when it's raining because they get stuck in the mud>Next to no AA because they will get blown up by drones if moved closerHow was this ever supposed to work?
>>574994>it may have the effect as well of actually causing [Russian President Vladimir] Putin to finally focus on negotiating an end to the war that he started," Blinken saidShameless lying. There was an offer to return to pre-February borders in April last year, and it was rejected
The only significant settlement captured has been Lobkove, and it was behind a river and harder to defend. That leaves two villages above Makarivka (which itself has been retaken). The rest includes settlements the Russians never claimed lol
These are all on the contact line ("grey" area), not even reaching the first line of trenches.
>>575003The way they're going about doing these attacks is dumb and ensures they're not able to push beyond the line of contact and retrieve any vehicles that were damaged during the attack
https://localcrew.ru/moa_enNew
Ukrainian Malorossian People's Republic flag dropped. Thoughts?
>>575132no, probably alluding to the few weeks at the beginning of the escalation in 2022 where Western liberals were pretending that nuclear war is actually not a big deal at all.
>Just stay home for 3 days and everything will be finelike
>>575133 and picrel
>>575077>the widow is also a former Right Sector militant who allegedly used oligarch connections to seize Kotsyubailo's home from his parents when he diedahahahahaahAHAHAHAAHAH HOLY FUCK
what the fuck are these fascists even fighting for anymore
their own women will gladly betray them for more money
there is no such thing as "racial brotherhood" "racial loyalty" "nationalist loyalty" etc. that's all been wiped out by capitalism and these dumb fucks still go on LARPing as if just because their partners look like them they'll always stay loyal.
this bitch literally stole the home from his parents without any hesitation hahahahaha how cucked do you have to be to be an unironic fascists in the Year of Lord 2023?
>>575153Wasn't deleted but moved
but yeah, bad idea
>>575149She is also now a member of the Kiev city parliament from some wholesome smol bean pro-EU "anti-corruption and pro-democracy" centrist party.
With ukrainian wiki listing her great achievements such as demolishing a Moscow-Kiev friendship monument in 2021 or stonewalling a Babi Yar holocaust memorial project because there was Russian money involved.
"B-but Right Sector only had 1% of the vote!!" - only the most retarded fascist thugs vote for the "Evil Hitler Party", those who have half a braincell just integrate themselves into "respectable" political projects
>>575160Wtf she's not even hot.
I can't believe Kotsyubailo had such low standards that he died and had his family home stolen by this piece of trash.
>>575123<Surely the DoD
>The Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU) was registered as a party on 16 October 1995; the constituent congress of the party took place on 13 October 1991, in Lviv. The party was established by the Soviet-Afghan War veterans organization, the youth organization "Spadshchyna" (Heritage, headed by Andriy Parubiy), the Lviv Student Fraternity (headed by Oleh Tyahnybok).The party adopted a party emblem associated with fascism and which is used by neo-Nazi organizations in Europe.
>The SNPU's official program defined itself as an "irreconcilable enemy of Communist ideology".
>With the ecclosion of the war in Donbas and the failures of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, many former Euromaidan activists and right-wing parties formed volunteer militias and paramilitary groups to fight the separatists, they are known as the Ukrainian volunteer battalions. In June 2014, Svoboda formed the "Sich" Battalion, with volunteers coming mostly from Kyiv. The Sich Battalion was placed under command of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and given official status of a "Special Tasks Patrol Police". The unit was deployed to the regions around the city of Donetsk, mostly provided internal security and participated of combat operations around Marinka and Avdiivka.
>Svoboda's ideological base emanates from Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists leader Yaroslav Stetsko's "Two Revolutions" doctrine (written in 1951).
>Stetsko, who *explicitly called for the United States to launch a surprise nuclear strike on Soviet Russia during the Cold War (believing World War 3 to be “inevitable” and necessary),* wrote an article that appeared in an OUN affiliated Canadian publication in 1939 in which he prided Ukrainians as “the first people in Europe to understand the corrupting work of Jewry.” Two years later, he endorsed “the expedience of bringing German methods of exterminating Jewry to Ukraine.” >>575165KKE made a bretty good analysis of this.
>According to Xiang Lanxin, a Chinese professor of World History and Politics, “the Chinese military had overestimated the capabilities of the Russian army. In fact, they should know their Russian counterparts better than anyone else —we have taken part in many joint exercises, we have interacted and held dialogues at many different levels. We have come to believe that, despite its economic problems, Russia remains the world’s second power in the military field. But to be honest, China expected much more from Russian military capabilities. And this is a lesson being taken very seriously into accountChina was caught unprepared by the SMO. Remember that Ukraine was part of the Belt And Road, and that China and the EU was on a verge of reaching a trade deal before the SMO happened. Their original strategy is to build a strategic partnership with European countries and if possible split down the Euro-Atlantic master-slave relationship. Russia's failure to capture Ukr cleanly has dashed this plan and polarized Euro political culture so sharply that even the fascist gov in Italy bend down to American demands. China is thrown headfirst to a total conflict against US+EU that it is not prepared for.
>>575165Sun Tzu. The Chinese will only strike if they feel confident that they are 100% ready and can win very quickly. Just look at the initial stage of their entry into the Korean War they almost outright won in like 3-4 months triggering MacArthur so much that he wanted to start using nuclear weapons indiscriminately because he thought it was all over.
Also I have chink friends and I understand their perfectionist mindset they hate committing to anything unless they're certain they can pull it off and do it well I can only imagine how autistic China's PLA high command can be.
>>575171>China is thrown headfirst to a total conflict against US+EU that it is not prepared for.Good.
>>575172Have you told them "perfect" is the enemy of "good"?
>>575176I was trying to point out that China being thrown into a war before it's ready and possibly losing outright and/or suffering millions of casualties isn't something to cheer for.
<that leaves no room for socialistsIt opens room for at least Ukrainian socialists. Better to be occasionally lectured by retarded Russian monarchists than to be arrested or outright killed by Ukrainian fascists.
>>575173>Good???
No, it's not "good" the original plan is to get Poles,Magyars,Italians and maybe the French to revolt against the Burgerreich and preventing Pentagon from consolidating power over Europe. That plan is gone now because P*tin keeps pussyfooting in Ukraine and his army keeps committing warcrime 24/7 which gives glowtards enough ammunition to basically turn the tide of popular opinion in Europe.
You need to realize just how unprecedented the situation in EU right now is. Even during the height of the cold war you have random uyghas in France like the DeGaullists opposing total war with Russia. That kind of opposition is nonexistent now. Literally the only thing preventing the US from deploying boots is Biden's fear that dragging the US to another war will result in Trump's reelection
>>575178Ah, so the thread bitched at Russia for sidelining communists in Donbas, but for Ukraine, it would somehow be different?
>>575179>the original planDo you have the document of this plan?
>warcrime 24/7More citations needed.
>>575183>Cucktin fucking up Ukrainekek no one even replied to leninhat's post yet because we all don't want to read the cringe.
>>575177>>575177>>575177look at this shit lmao
>the west is pumping ukraine with weapons and is proud of it, but violates international legal acts<MUHHHHHH INTERNATIONAL LAWSSSSSSSSSSSS HOW COULD AMERICA DO THIS WTFFFFFFI want to go back in time and shoot Putin's KGB handler for failing to teach him critical thinking skills. What sort of lame ass bullshit is this
<heh *smirks while pushing up glasses* *opens book of laws* looks like you…broke the law…bet you feel bad now don't you *smirks again*holy cringe
>>575077>>575077>Kotsyubailogood he died.
>>575068still "present"? lmao.
>>575050captured leopard and bardley, not bad. reverse engineering to see what they did.
>>575186Unironically yes.
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>>575189I'm simply telling the truth. Just take a look at any Glownews like NYT and you will see shit like:
>Japan remilitarizing>Biggest NATO wargame to be held in Poland>Literally who SS collaborators: are they really that bad? >Expert says: having a swastika patch isn't necessarily politicalAll these shit happened after le SMO
>>575199> It's the little things like this that make Westoids skeptical of his nuke credibility.Hit the nail on the head. Putin's threatened nukes once every couple of months for a decade, at some point you stop taking the little guy seriously.
t. Westoid that is skeptical of his nuke credibility
>>575200He can pay them with love of the motherland.
A man who isn't ready for a little economic hardship isn't ready to drop nukes on his enemies, which would create even more economic hardship.
That's the calculation.
>>575193Also happened after SMO:
>Chinese companies dominating Russian market>China-Russia bilateral trade up 100%>Russian grew more than Eurozone did in 2022>Russian fossil fuel exports above pre-war level>Yuan overtakes dollar in Chinese international trade>Chinese export as share of global exports at all time high>Chinese trade balance at all time high>China overtook Germany in car exports in 2022, will over take Japan this year>German deindustrialization>Germany chemical industries permanently moving to China>Renormalization of relationships between Syria and Arab world, Saudi Arabia and Iran, UAE and Iran>Saudi-US split on various issues>dedollarization due to US sanction overuse>SEA, BRICS launching their own currency swap programs>Global south refuse to side with Ukraine>Progressive wave in South Americaetc.
None of which would have happened if not for SMO
>>575202I think Putin sees it as "if they're fighting each other for my approval, they're not fighting me."
Who cares if that means that Wagner troops get vaporized by the US in Syria? Who cares if, in retaliation, Wagner sends Russian troops into the Bakhmut meatgrinder to die needlessly for months? Who cares if, in retaliation for that, Russian troops mysteriously withhold fire support from Wagner at critical moments and allow ukrops to break through the line? As long as they're not directly opposing Putin it's all good in his mind.
>>575158>>575156Even so they don't need strong approval, only ardent support from the few and limp resistance from the many. That's not hard to imagine, and if they know how to do it in colour recipes they know how to do it at home
Pretty much this
>>575159As far as bourgeois support the bourgeoisie would be divided between those with favourable relations to the existing market and world configuration (less important as that configuration is undermined and eventually dismantled by economic restrictions) and those who stand to gain from the further plunder that a victory would enable. Successfully colonising Russia could give the Empire another few decades' lease on life
>>575206>dictatorship badPretty sure the operative word in the other post was "capitalist", anon
>>575210Actually existing socialism confirmed, China BTFO
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>>575221Yeltsin literally chose Putin as his heir you fuck
>>575220I'm not responding because that anon successfully forced me to reconsider my position and i'm not a retard who would draw online arguments longer than necessary. Fine, i admit that maybe SMO brings more benefit than harm. My point that Cucktin and Ziggers are retard mouthbreather opportunists and possible wrekcers still stand
>>575223True
Le demoralization is a poloid meme and 90% of the time they used it against "diverse phenotype porn" spammers (who are also fellow nazis)
>>575242>solidaritywith whom? can't Putin at least accidentally hit some westoid leader who pays a surprise visit to Kyiv, using one of those famously imprecise Russian rockets
Also how much of the "brutal attacks" against Ukrainian cities are really westoid AD failing to completely neutralise targets and falling on civilian areas instead
>>575262> The US spends so much on defense in Europe because they thought Russia was a genuine threata threat to NATO
expansion, but never a threat against NATO staying put. But they never wanted to stay put. So there you have it. NATO wishes to encircle and balkanize ex-Warsaw Pact nations, an aggressive act, sold as "containing Russian aggression."
>>575262Really bizarre interpretation, they've clearly been caught with their trousers down and a Russian invasion force comparable to the total allied invasion of Iraq is HODLing despite this being a peer war unlike Iraq.
Ukraine, despite the /k/opes, is working with NATO tactics, NATO intel, NATO weapons and NATO leadership with a military larger than any single European military. If NATO can't push out of Ukraine what they consider an invasion force worthy onlyof the Third World, then that really doesn't look good for them and likely this whole situation is shitting up the NATO HQ and everything they thought they knew about a potential war with Russia.
>>575263Right, but by sending gear and strategists they get to test out new toys and tactics while effectively containing Russia and lowering future defense spending.
Well, the US's defense spending won't go down overall, it'll just shift east.
>>575253The slave frees himself when, of all the relations of private property, he abolishes only the relation of slavery and thereby becomes a proletarian; the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general.
The serf liberates himself in one of three ways: either he runs away to the city and there becomes a handicraftsman; or, instead of products and services, he gives money to his lord and thereby becomes a free tenant; or he overthrows his feudal lord and himself becomes a property owner. In short, by one route or another, he gets into the owning class and enters into competition. The proletarian liberates himself by abolishing competition, private property, and all class differences.
Fuck PMCs and wannabe petty bourg rats, they'll betray their class at the drop of a hat like the house uyghurs that they are.
>>575285US lacks the ability to "tweak"
You don't really see US iterating on their weapons anymore. They just invent, build and then abandon. See LCS and Zumwalt main gun
>>575276>Just don't buy stocks lmaobuying stocks isn't the only way you participate in the market
>it isn't that hard you retarded degen gamblerin a lot of imperial core countries, peoples' retirement plans have become tied to market outcomes. So a piece of your paycheck will get set aside in some retirement account, and whatever financial institution is responsible for maintaining that account will gamble with it on the market. Same with your commercial bank. The wall between commercial and investment banking has totally been eroded to the point that the average prole is having their meager savings gambled with by big banks.
In any case, it literally doesn't matter if some prole buys stocks. Yes, it's gambling. Unless they're making
most of their money from investment, they are still a prole, since they rely on selling their labor to a capitalist to make the money they're investing in the first place. But treating it as a moral issue or an individual moral failing to buy stocks is fundamentally stupid. You're just limiting your own choices to appear virtuous and to live up to some ascetic ideal of what a prole should be.
>>575293"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce." -Marx
First we had the invasion by Nazi Germany now he have the farce that is the Ukraine Army backed by NATO.
>>575298>a jewish presidentThat they openly don't respect
>Transgenders in their army?Pluralising Transgender is an over-exaggeration
>>575293>I'm proven once again that weapon escalations do not come out of Putin cuckoldry but just out of Ukraine sucking regardless of what they receive and porky, as usual, thinking this is a problem burning money can solveon point. and since they don't care about money due to their currencies (US/EUR) having the
exorbitant privilege, they think they can do it indefinitely.
>>575308where's the lie
point it out my uyghy
>>575295I say keep the ideological liberals in control over burgerland. absolutely delusional, absolutely vile smears of human faecal matter. let there be nobody else around but themselves to blame when the illusion shatters
>We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own realityreally believe they can keep this going forever without consequence
>>575307what's the gesture of goodwill pointing to, snake island?
>>574935I messed up. There was a news about him turning 100 years old and in my head it turned into news of him dying.
>>574980"I'm against the current thing".
> My government is corrupt and oppressive, so its enemies (Ukraine and NATO) must be good guys.It's lighter version of tankies simping to any anti-western dictator because they're not satisfied with 14$/hour wage. On the other hand, ebanoe.it is the only site where I've seen not psychotic Ukrainians.
>>575318most recent map has Ukraine back in control + substantial gains near Levadnoye
oh, and they haven’t even committed most of their reserves yet
and Russian commentators agree that the current attacks, being limited, are thus still probing/combat reconnaissance
face it, it’s over
>>575336you do need heavy armor because a probing attack is still an attack, you try to make a minor breakthrough everywhere, and eventually commit to a particular direction
Ukraine hasn’t committed yet, so it’s still probing
>>575350nta, but..
…bakhmut status?
>>575355And they're not wrong. The dude talked awfully tough for being within dronestrike range. I hope every world leader got to watch his final moments, crying and screaming while being sodomized with a bayonet.
At the very least, I know Kim Jong-Un watched it. And wouldn't you know it, right after he saw that video he ramped up nuclear weapons testing. Gaddafi may not have learned from his mistakes, but he proved to be a great example to others.
>>575362I'ts perfect for the wars US thought it was always going to wage for foreseeable future. Accurate and high range, but can't do sustained fire because the barrel can't take it and quickly needs replacing if it tries to do artillery battles with volume.
It's basically a heavy ballistic sniper rifle built for Iraq and Afghanistan to provide quick artillery support when brave US soldiers meet resistance from goat herders.
>>575365>bluechew brigadesRemember when people in these threads were praising chechen soldiers because they thought they would rape ukrainian women en masse
I remember
>>575370Trust the plan
All will be known
The eyebrow is raising
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