No.575376
Who cares
No.575377
Deranged lunatic anarchist cracker
No.575379
another reactionary dead, whoop de doo
No.575380
>>575378b-b-b-but he said capitalism was bad (ignore everything else he said PLEASE)
No.575381
>>575380and rightoids worship him like some messiah lmao
No.575383
>>575375(and thats a good thing)
No.575386
>>575385the first trans fash
No.575387
>>575382i like actual luddism: hating the machines being used against you, not hating the machines themselves
No.575388
>>575375Reminder that the industrial revolution was the greatest even in human history.
Also didnt he said to vote Hillary once? lol
No.575389
RIP, i-heckin-love-science-cels be seething
No.575391
The Hood lost a true one today
No.575392
Would transitioning saved her?
No.575393
RIP king
No.575394
>>575375F
>>575378I know nothing about anthropology: the post
No.575395
Ted!
No.575397
>>575389>guys that cried at all the greatest technological achievements in human history think they arent the ones seethingTedcels are pathetic. Don't even have to courage to go out and kill normal peoples like he did just posting and eating cheetos.
No.575398
Reactionaries die, god laughs
No.575399
Why is /leftypol/ so upset about someone killing scum like an Advertising executive, Timber industry lobbyist, etc? Even those injured like David Gelernter deserved to have died and it would be better if they had died, strange that /leftypol/ is so quick to defend them.
No.575400
>>575399>if you dont dickride some reactionary you actually defend the people he killedyawn
No.575401
How do you have like 180iq and not realize you're bombing people for no reason and that your mission actually impossible. What made him reactionary? The fbi?
No.575402
>>575394>anthropologyTedcels unironically believe they are anthropology experts now ? lmao. Yep bombing random production factories will emancipate humanity from capitalists any second now
>>575399Killing people wont solve shit. Somebody other dumbass will replace the position easily. The system is what must be changed. Also he was an anti leftie reactionary so why should we care about him.. literally nobody here defended those he killed
No.575404
didn't know ted was important enough to get a pinned post
kinda curious as to how they'll bury him
No.575406
>>575404The mod who stickied this thread is going to get disciplined.
No.575408
HOLY SHIT BROS…
No.575409
>>575401I.Q. measures how well you can follow patterns
It doesn't mean you're clever
No.575410
>>575401if ur good at math u should be good at political theory because……………
No.575411
Good riddance, Anprims are so annoying to deal with online
No.575412
>>575375Why is this a sticky?
No.575413
>>575375Knew he was going to go, Had cancer.
RIP you mad man. Iconoclast. Autist. Legend.
No.575414
>>575410I guess his high autism score is why he was unable to rationalize the nonsense and became delusional
No.575415
Nah, fuck him. He's mythologized to a disgusting extent by a surprising amount of self proclaimed leftists especially of the militant vegan or anarcho-primitivist strains despite the fact that he hated the idea of egalitarianism and saw industrial society as a direct roadblock to "natural hierarchy", and all it's served is taint the image of leftist environmentalism because every time the subject comes up you can bet hordes of edgy teenagers will post about how Ted Kaczynski was right and some other stupid shit
No.575416
>>575415Don't forget "anti-idpol" leftoids thinking his Fox News-tier criticism of leftists is genius.
No.575417
>>575385WOULD TRANSITIONING HAVE SAVED HER?
No.575419
>>575417>>575392>LOL LOL LOL TRANSThe children of the culture war most be thrown in to the fire for the future of the human race.
No.575420
Baruch Dayan haEmet
Pray for Ted’s soul and do a mitzvah in his name.
No.575423
>>575419>muh culture warYou're the one mad and in denial that Kaczynski had gender dysphoria here.
No.575424
Do you guys think Ted wouldve make a hot woman? He got some rough fucking face
No.575425
>>575423Yea. not weird how you explicitly want to center this one thing. not strange at all.
you tiny brained fucking retard. jfc.
No.575426
>>575423and you're one of the ones making trans suicide jokes about a person who did not identify as trans. I expect you're also the one who will complain about this thread getting derailed by idpol when more people call you out for being a twat
No.575427
>>575425what would you rather center the death of some random reactionary on. this shit doesnt even deserve a sticky
No.575430
>>575428Are, or were there ever, any of his disciples carrying on his work
No.575432
>>575431>The tradition is strongest and most 'Kacynski-esque' in LatAm.He's a joke here too man.
No.575433
>>575421The funny thing is that it's not like the left has a shortage of environmental extremists (yes I know Ted wasn't really an environmentalist so much as just a primitivist but let's not get pedantic here). Like, you really need to look no further than John Zerzan, an anarcho-primitivist and former collaborator with Teddy who fully believes that money, time, numbers, and even language are oppressive constructs of civilization that need to be abolished. His general methodology being first to find a tribe somewhere, then see if they're living without some concept we consider essential, and if they're not overtly hampered by living without that concept in Zerzan's eyes then said concept is actually bad and oppressive and we need to get rid of it.
No.575434
>>575433This is what pisses me off the most. There's so many green anarchists and shit out there but leftoids need to fixate on the fascist boomer that based half of his politics on getting mad at the liberal protestors he saw on his way to work?!
No.575435
>>575432>He's a joke here too man.Okay. But that is not anything to do with the point being made.
No.575437
RIP
Fuck MKUltra
No.575438
>>575403wholesome actually
No.575439
>>575375Some YT dead. Why care?
No.575440
and his legacy is bombmail memes and imageboard users mourning him, can't say its worse than dying as a nobody
No.575441
>>575401>The fbi?He unironically was subject to CIA brainwashing experiments as an underage freshman in university
No.575442
>>575375Good riddance. Reactionary retard writing theorylet nonsense.
Unironically, one of those cases where transitioning might have saved them.
No.575443
>>575441Oooh right, I forgot about the psychological torture he was submitted to by the CIA. WTF. One wonders if the FBI does the same thing, or even learned from the CIA, with the lonely incels the FBI grooms into becoming shooters.
No.575444
>>575441Source for this would be good for the thread
No.575445
>>575442>themHe was using he/him. Your transphobia is showing.
No.575446
sneed
No.575447
>>575445you know they/them is a neutral pronoun right
No.575448
>>575447If they want to be called by certain pronouns, they deserve to be called by those certain pronouns:nail_care: :nail_care:
No.575449
>>575447Why do you think your excuse matters?
No.575452
>>575450You are transphobic.
No.575456
>>575454>mainstream is LE BADidk man last i checked we communists want to be the main system eventually yknow
No.575457
>>575456When communism is mainstream there will be something better.
Progress does not stop.
Revolution never ends.
No.575460
>>575399>cherry picking which of his victims to mentionReally honest post!
No.575461
>>575458t. future conservative
No.575463
>>575462Stfu I don't want my tesla stock to dip.
No.575464
>>575461Nothing wrong with conserving Communism.
No.575465
>>575459that kinda looks like an rpgmaker game. and here i was, thinking i would be the first to make something like that.
No.575467
>>575466you mean somethingawful and 4chan
No.575468
>>575467No
2012 Reddit meme text
No.575469
>>575468reddit didnt come up with internet macros, somethingawful did and 4chan quickly followed
No.575470
Luigi Pasinetti gets a small thread, Makoto Itoh's death gets a brief mention in the e-celeb trash thread, and fucking Kaczynski of all people gets a sticky.
>>575459WTF
No.575471
RIP BOZO XD
No.575472
>>575470>fucking Kaczynski of all people gets a stickyyoure on an imageboard, the only platform where ted kaczynski is still relevant
No.575473
>>575469reddit burned it a long time ago
and the only people who still use it with shitty rl images that has smug redditor tones are old or mainstream Twitter and Facebook users
No.575478
ACK
The wheel of history keeps moving and crushes another reactionary
No.575479
Isn't this dude's written work just a pastiche of various European intellectuals he read while in isolation? I know he ripped off "oversocialization" from Émile Durkheim.
No.575480
>>575477the day jreg deletes his socials is the day the world can forge a new chapter
No.575481
>>575454that cup is so fucking cringe, if you in any way define yourself as counter-mainstream on any form, you're mentally an adolescent, you consume poltics as an aesthetic. one that has already been co-opted. i hope you're not older than 20.
No.575483
>>575479Yes. His entire corpus is plaguing Ellul.
No.575484
>Ted Kaczynski found dead in Cell
>He was 81
>Sticky
…OK, and??
No.575485
>>575483 (me)
*plagiarizing
No.575486
>>575483Ellul only dreams of a revolution that would result from a vaguely defined, spontaneous spiritual transformation of society, and he comes very close to admitting that the proposed spiritual transformation is impossible. Ted on the other hand thinks it plausible that the preconditions for revolution may be developing in modern society, guided by a well-defined revolutionary movement guided by suitable leader and strict discipline.
No.575488
>>575487Yeah, he was a piece of shit. But he was a funny meme anyway.
No.575489
>>575452Get a new joke.
>>575487>over-socializationOf course the CIA MK-Uktra'd incel Yankee sees over a socialization in a tremendously atomized society.
No.575490
>>575489Salient point but aren't yankies socialized to their own propaganda or some shit?
No.575491
What’s worse is that she ended her career by saying that the only way to change society is through liberal political campaigning, not even defending her prior anger to the public and implicitly admitting it was an act of rage. Ted was a joke through and through
No.575492
Does anyone have the image of Ted in the Gawr Gura hoodie? It used to be my Twitter profile pic before I got banned for telling some liberal to kill themself and now I can't find it.
No.575493
>>575488yea seems like people are emotionally attached to him and his memes
No.575495
Goodbye, Uncle Ted
Though I never knew you at all
You had the grace to hold yourself
While those around you crawled
They crawled out of the CIA
And they whispered into your brain
They set you on the treadmill
And they made you change your name
And it seems to me you lived your life
Like a hermit in the woods
Never knowing who to blow up
When the rain set in
And I would've liked to know you
But I was just a kid
Your brainworms burned out long before
Your nail bomb ever did
No.575496
>>575464You aren't progressive. You are just a conservative reactionary who hasn't got his "good ol' days"
No.575497
Its a pity, if he could have avoided doing something so cataclysmic stupid for a few more years he could have gotten his message out on the Internet, have a podcast and at very least become a fringe Alex Jones-esq personality, where if nothing else he could feel his ideas were being discussed. Being stupid enough to just blow shit up and hurt random people trying to "bring down society" basically ensured that would be his legacy. He saw some legitimate problems with society, but went about responding to them in moronic, asinine ways.
No.575498
>>575497On the other hand, he lived as he spoke, "retardededly". Blowing up random pipe bombs to bring down society is pretty strongly retarded, in line with her writings.
No.575499
>>575375I like how this is sonehow important enough to get a sticky.
No.575501
>>575499Ted K is a huge meme. Even apolitical normies know about him. It doesn't mean we think he was good. Gorbachev's death got a bunch of attention too.
No.575502
>>575495fix the rhyme lol
>And it seems to me you lived your life>Like a hermit in the woods>Never knowing who to blow up>Who is bad or good? No.575503
>>575378You read his shit and its like babbies first realization that the world sucks lmao.
>broo have you heard of wars?? Wars are bad 😤 No.575504
Run over anprims with unmanned tanks
No.575506
>>575505>i said muh so you can't you that argument anymore!suck my fucking dick
MUH conforts of modern society
don't care about idpol shit
No.575509
>>575505>any real critique except all the dogshit he wrote?LMAO
No.575510
>>575489Oversocialization doesn't mean socializing too much you dumb fuck.
No.575511
>>575510Well that is needlessly confusing.
No.575512
>>575511I mean communism isn't about forming communes either.
No.575513
>>575512Technically communes would exist in communism or at least the closet to what we have in terms of governance and/or ownership.
No.575515
>>575514>One argument in favor of letting adult autogynephilic fetishists have themselves castrated is that while Theodore Kaczynski blew up all those people, a testicleless Theodora Kaczynski probably wouldn't have.Y-yeah, haha, we should definitely make those v-violent trans people get castrated so that they w-won't do any more violence hahaha… they would surely hate that haha…
No.575517
>>1496317
There's honestly a lot more to this quote than might first meet the eye. Short version is that when you are "civilized" and you allow wider society (in particular the power of the ruling class, the state, etc) to mediate conflicts, you become alienated from your fellows because you lose a part of the reality of interacting with each other, confronting each other as physical beings that exist independently of the social structure in which you are enmeshed. As soon as society establishes Law determined by a class hierarchy, you must begin to relate to other people as subjects before you can relate as people.
No.575518
>>1496317
He was a "men used to be strong" kind of rightoid, which is very much reflected in his Conan stories. It's not necessarily wrong, but it's also tone deaf, it lacks the materialist perspective. Men were "strong" by necessity, not because they wanted to be "strong", they didn't actually revel in violence despite what romanticized depictions of pre-modern violence and war might suggest. And while that quote might have been thought-provoking in the 20th century, in the 21st century with the ubiquity of the internet it just sounds like "say that shit to my face and see what happens".
No.575519
Ted was actually just a high autism score thingnoticer. The entire manifesto is dogshit postmodern psychoanalysis.
1.His brain was completely fucked by obsessing over the culture war. He constantly obsessed over abstract ideas - meaning of things that dont exist (like 'leftism'), morality (how he justifies everything), constantly presenting his subjective truths as objective (constant use of 'IS', reinforcing his beliefs) - and ignored reality.
2. He has good general knowledge of things and is highly critical of the system, but his criticisms have no material basis. For example, he seems to have read some Marx but he did so critically. This is like reading a science textbook critically as a theologist; the criticisms have no actual basis in reality. See point 1.
>Paragraph 6: "The concept of ‘leftism’ will have to be explained later (see paragraphs 227-230). For the time being we will use the term ‘leftism’ in a very loose sense. We mean to include the following movements, which we recognize as strongly leftist: feminism, gay rights, ethnic rights, disability rights, animal rights, political correctness. Anyone who is strongly sympathetic to any of these movements is almost certainly leftist. The more such movements there are and the more strongly they are advocated, the more leftist the atmosphere becomes. In this sense leftism is a totalitarian force: It tends to invade every aspect of life and to force its mode of thought on all people insofar as possible. Leftism is in part a psychological phenomenon, and most leftists are leftist for psychological reasons.
>Paragraph 15: "The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist."
Morality and Revolution, Paragraph 1
>"Morality, guilt and fear of condemnation act as cops in our heads, destroying our spontaneity, our wildness, our ability to live our lives to the full. They are a major factor in preventing us from achieving freedom. I try to act on my whims, my spontaneous urges without caring what others think of me. I don’t want to be a slave to anyone’s morality. I want no constraints on my life; I want the opening of all possibilities. The system has no moral right to reduce us to mere tools for its own ends; rather, we have a moral right to rid ourselves of any system that does not adequately meet our needs as human beings."
No.575520
>>575519>>Paragraph 15: "The leftist is not typically the kind of person whose feelings of inferiority make him a braggart, an egotist, a bully, a self-promoter, a ruthless competitor. This kind of person has not wholly lost faith in himself. He has a deficit in his sense of power and self-worth, but he can still conceive of himself as having the capacity to be strong, and his efforts to make himself strong produce his unpleasant behavior. But the leftist is too far gone for that. His feelings of inferiority are so ingrained that he cannot conceive of himself as individually strong and valuable. Hence the collectivism of the leftist."Haha holy shit, it's like I'm reading a Nazi's writing. Absolutely zero substance, just prejudice.
No.575521
>>575519>"Morality, guilt and fear of condemnation act as cops in our heads, destroying our spontaneity, our wildness, our ability to live our lives to the full. They are a major factor in preventing us from achieving freedom. I try to act on my whims, my spontaneous urges without caring what others think of me. I don’t want to be a slave to anyone’s morality. I want no constraints on my life; I want the opening of all possibilities. The system has no moral right to reduce us to mere tools for its own ends; rather, we have a moral right to rid ourselves of any system that does not adequately meet our needs as human beings."this is beautiful ngl
No.575522
>>575521you can find the same but better from many marxist philosophers
No.575523
>>575521It looks beautiful but then you realize that he was a slave to his own morality
No.575524
>>575483Not just Ellul, he also takes from Daniel Quinn, Kirkpatrick Sale, Lewis Mumford, and Ivan Illich.
No.575525
>>575465It's a real GBA game, and Ted is actually in as side character in the main quest.
No.575526
I hope he got sodomized by african american inmates before he died.
No.575527
>>575526>racism>sexism>homophobia>conservatismall in one sentence. impressive.
No.575528
>>575527Go back to reddit
No.575529
>>575521if you substitite "morality guild and fear of condemnation" for THE BIG OTHER, it would pass as a zizek thing, kinda. at least zizek's approach is systematized on this regard, even though it's a somewhat self-evident phenomenon.
No.575530
Rest in peace but also u were a clown.
No.575531
>>575505I read Industrial Society and Its Future a while ago.
Some people have pointed out that he is anti-leftist, and it's indeed the subject of the opening chapter, but I felt like he was more criticizing liberals and cultish activists with the concept of "oversocialization" than leftists who are aware that class struggle is all about collective action for the sake of our own selfish interests.
As long as you aren't an insufferable virtue-signalling dork who love to flaunt your superior morals in front of everyone, his rant about leftists don't really apply.
The most interesting part of it is his critique of technology, the fact that humans are trapped into what Marxists call "value production".
The productive forces are organized in such a huge network, made of too many different parts that are too complex to comprehend in their totality, that therefore it's impossible for us to have any real control over them.
This makes us alienated and passive ("hyperdomestication"). Furthermore, the process of "value production" actively destroys nature at an exponential rate, the only thing sustaining life on Earth, only for a vacuous search for profits. This is certainly not sustainable, this organization of society will inevitably collapse sooner or latter, and it will be absolute hell to simply survive when it will happen.
This is my generous interpretation. There is also a critique of media inspired by Marshall McLuhan. Ted K was rather intelligent.
However, he has no solution, no positive project, his conclusion is that you have to take the blackpill, everyone is going to die during the ecological apocalypse and then you will return to monke.
He is very American in that sense, his solution doesn't involve any collective solution beyond a tribal form of socialization. "You will have to fight against bears and Nature with whatever weapon you have at hand and you will be happy" basically.
The most glaring flaw in his thesis (especially for a Marxist) is: why would survivors of an ecological apocalypse content themselves with a primitive lifestyle for eternity, when they already have a clear idea in mind of what an agricultural civilization is?
The survivors, once they get accustomed to live in the wild, will tell their grandchildren about tales of a civilization who used to feed themselves by controlling the growth of plants over seasons. They might have been atomized in their previous life and clueless about agricultural techniques before the collapse, but eventually, the next generations of survivors will seek more reliable ways to get food, then it's Chapter 5 of the Society of the Spectacle all over again.
I would recommend reading the thinkers who influenced Ted K rather than his texts.
Ivan Illich's critique of technology for example, goes very far, regarding car-centric society; but also healthcare and schooling, and I can't possibly agree with everything, especially considering how neoliberalism is destroying such public services since the 1970s.
But at least Illich had a positive project, the project of creating
convivial tools, tools that are easy to produce and use, immediately useful, simple to fix and customize, accessible for everyone. The whole family should be able to enjoy a good
convivial tool.
Illich takes the example of the bicycle as such a tool, but it's worth noting that his book Tools for Conviviality also influenced one early inventor of personal computers (!): Lee Felsenstein.
I've heard Jacques Ellul also has an interesting critique of technology, but I haven't read him.
tl;dr: Ted Kaczynski was smart but also a huge moron.
No.575532
>>575531actually that's pretty similar of how my thoughts turned out
except iirc ted was more influenced by ellul. i got more from reading technological society and propaganda than i did from any of ted's works, and i haven't finished 1/10 of either. it's like isaif but in more thorough detail, and without the "we must go back" conclusion.
No.575533
>in Cell
>in cel
>incel
No.575534
>Muh nature
>Le technology inherently bad
I dont get it. Why do people filate primitivist like this?
No.575535
>>575534Americans are brainwashed to think anything left of basic bitch liberalism is worse than hitler. Therefore the only solution for them to end capitalism is not to go forward but backwards.
No.575537
>>575535>>575534Capitalist realism tells us that the only alternative to capitalism is human extinction or primitive savagery so it's only natural that americans, the most heavily propagandized country on earth, would believe it.
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