>The unquestionably revolutionary character of the vast majority of national movements is as relative and peculiar as is the possible reactionary character of certain particular national movements. The revolutionary character of a national movement under the conditions of imperialist oppression does not necessarily presuppose the existence of proletarian elements in the movement, the existence of a revolutionary or a republican programme of the movement, the existence of a democratic basis of the movement. The struggle that the Emir of Afghanistan is waging for the independence of Afghanistan is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the monarchist views of the Emir and his associates, for it weakens, disintegrates and undermines imperialism; whereas the struggle waged by such “desperate” democrats and “Socialists,” “revolutionaries” and republicans as, for example, Kerensky and Tsereteli, Renaudel and Scheidemann, Chernov and Dan, Henderson and Clynes, during the imperialist war was a reactionary struggle, for its result was the embellishment, the strengthening, the victory, of imperialism. For the same reasons, the struggle that the Egyptian merchants and bourgeois intellectuals are waging for the independence of Egypt is objectively a revolutionary struggle, despite the bourgeois origin and bourgeois title of the leaders of the Egyptian national movement, despite the fact that they are opposed to socialism; whereas the struggle that the British “Labour” Government is waging to preserve Egypt’s dependent position is for the same reasons a reactionary struggle, despite the proletarian origin and the proletarian title of the members of that government, despite the fact that they are “for” socialism. There is no need to mention the national movement in other, larger, colonial and dependent countries, such as India and China, every step of which along the road to liberation, even if it runs counter to the demands of formal democracy, is a steam-hammer blow at imperialism, i.e., is undoubtedly a revolutionary step.
Hmm very normal.
Finns Party minister apologises over far-right comments and connections<The new Minister of Economic Affairs Vilhelm Junnila (Finns) gave a speech for a neo-Nazi umbrella organisation in 2019 and joked about the number '88,' a symbol for extremist movements.https://yle.fi/a/74-20038203>[…]Junnila's comments regarding his previous election number, 88, have also come to light.
>The number 88 is a reference used by the far right as a code for the Nazi salute, as 'h' is the eighth letter of the alphabet. Junnila happened to be assigned that number during the 2019 elections when he entered the parliament. This spring, Junnila congratulated another candidate who received the same number at a Finns campaign event.
>"First of all, congratulations on an excellent election number. I know it is a winning card. This 88 refers, of course, to the two 'H's, but let's not dwell on that," Junnila said, according to Yle's election report.https://t.me/concordgroup_official/1285Prigozhin talking here. My Russian isn't perfect but here's what I heard:
"The council of PMC commanders made a decision that the evil that the military leadership of the country bears must be stopped. Those who destroyed our guys today will be punished. I ask no one to resist. All who resist will be destroyed, including any roadblocks on our way and any aircraft above. I ask everyone to stay calm and stay at home."
Any native speakers ITT?
>>577934Makarov would have finished off Ukraine in a week and then nuked America as an afterthought.
Russians are unironically way smarter and way more competent in American propaganda than they are in real life.
https://t.me/rian_ru/206667FSB confirms coup
"In response to these statements, the FSB of Russia has launched a criminal case over calls for an armed uprising. We demand to stop these unlawful actions at once."
>>578098There's no revolutionary situation, no popular unrest, nothing. There's not even a bourgeois need for a coup, and the coupers are literally whos with large media coverage
There's going to be a lot of noise out of a nothingburger
>>578117this, and it'll rally up the spectacle, the war
was getting kinda boring tbh
MOSCOW, June 23. /TASS/. Russia’s National Anti-Terrorism Committee on Friday demanded that Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the private military company Wagner, stop unlawful actions and said the Russian Federal Security Service started a mutiny investigation in connection with his recent statements.
"The statements that are being spread on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin are absolutely unfounded. In connection with these statements, the Federal Security Service of Russia has started an investigation into a call for an armed mutiny. We demand that unlawful actions be stopped immediately," the committee said in a statement.
https://tass.com/russia/1637425>>578168>FSB calling it a coupSource: your ass.
>MOD calling it a coupSource: your ass.
>Prigozhin vowing vengeance against Russian MODSource: your ass.
I don't actually have a TG account so no videos.
https://t.me/rybar/48875>Just an hour after Prigozhin's first comments, "videos from servicemen from the front line" went online . Both sides prepared for today's events in advance. The release of such videos is aimed at countering the transition of ordinary soldiers to the ranks of the Wagners and at creating an image for Shoigu of complete support by the army. https://t.me/KB_Announcments/127974> After accusations, in particular, by the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, that the Russian Armed Forces were retreating, the Russian military began to record appeals from different sectors of the front. The video was recorded by fighters from the Donetsk direction, Kherson region, Zaporozhye.
>“We are not going anywhere, no one is running. Calm Uncle Zhenya">- "We stand to the death on the lines of defense">- “All our guys are standing on the banks of the Dnieper and waiting for the crest to trample. No one runs to the Sea of Azov" >>1507937> telegram channelsThose two are official channels though, of Prigozhin and Ria Novosti a government controlled news agency.
>>578262Correct
>>1507979Belgorod offensive status?
Another official source, machine translated:
https://tass.ru/proisshestviya/18102851>June 23, 19:48,<updated June 23, 19:59After Prigozhin's statements, a case was opened on incitement to armed rebellion<The National Anti-Terrorism Committee demanded to stop illegal actions
>MOSCOW, 23 June. /TASS/. The statements of the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin became the basis for initiating a criminal case on incitement to an armed rebellion. This was reported in the National Anti-Terrorism Committee. They called on Prigozhin to stop illegal actions.
>"The allegations spread on behalf of Yevgeny Prigozhin have no basis. In connection with these statements, the FSB of Russia initiated a criminal case on the fact of calling for an armed rebellion. We demand an immediate stop to illegal actions," the NAC said in a statement.
>Press Secretary of the head of state Dmitry Peskov said that Vladimir Putin was informed about the situation around Prigozhin, all necessary measures are being taken.>Earlier, the Ministry of Defense called false information disseminated on social networks about the alleged strike by the Russian Armed Forces on the "rear camps of PMC" Wagner ".Telegram rumors of some kind of “Fortress” plan being activated in Rostov and Moscow. I’m not entirely sure what it is, probably some type of emergency preparedness/continuity of government thing.
It seems to be corroborated in Rostov by a report by what I think is regional media (machine translation):
>The Rostov police announced the "Fortress" plan, a law enforcement source reports. The personnel were notified of the need to be in full readiness, interlocutors in the authorities confirmed to 161.RU correspondents.>”There is an order to put the entire composition of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard on alert and strengthen posts on the border with the LPR and DPR. But there is no boil. It’s just that the train was raised and called,” one of our interlocutors noted.>The press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the Rostov Region has not yet commented on the information. The answer to the editorial request was promised to be sent later.https://161.ru/text/gorod/2023/06/23/72430046/>>578275It's afraid.
>>577876Go on Prigozhin, hang them all. Institute Stratocratic Ziggerism.
>>578350why are you angry?
highlight why these shouldn't be treated with the same
>mehlike the 11 packages before?
>>578407Ah yes, USSR 2.0.
I remember you retards at the start of the invasion.
>>578451he's a large bourgie, he won't do shit if he takes over. he wants business as usual.
>>578455nah, he's going to be arrested. He's not the sole owner of wagner, rather a pr stunt manager. here's the summary of today's bald bold troll:
>For those who planned to relax this Friday evening.
>1. Prigozhin said that the rear camps of PMC "Wagner" were fired upon by the RF Armed Forces and that he was going to deal with Shoigu by force, since there were dead people there.>2. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that all this was an informational provocation, no one bombed the camps and the military perform their tasks in the SMO zone as usual.>3. Earlier, videos appeared on the network with fighters and commanders from various sectors of the front, who denied the loss of positions on the Vremievsky ledge and in the Rabotino area.>4. The public conflict between the leadership of PMC "Wagner" and the leadership of the Russian Defense Ministry continues to escalate. In conditions of war, the situation looks more and more intolerable. The open conflict that has been smoldering since last autumn must be stopped. >>578396>lets trust a bunch of blood-thirsty corrupt capitalist mercs to do our dirty work instead of using our corrupt military<they betray us and try to take overThis might actually be fucked up beyond belief for the Russians, but its also kinda funny and also not really unexpected.
>>1508051Idk pseudo-fascism maybe? Perhaps socialism with Wagner characteristics? lol
>>578455Of course you can trust a musician in a professional orchestra to carry his tune
If it becomes neccesary he will play whatever part is required
Moscow. June 24. INTERFAX.RU - The initiation of a criminal case against the head of the Wagner group Yevgeny Prigozhin is legal and justified, the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation reports.
"On June 23, 2023, the Investigation Department of the FSB of Russia legally and reasonably initiated a criminal case against E.V. Prigozhin under Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on the fact of organizing an armed rebellion," the supervisory agency said.
"His actions will be given a proper legal assessment. This crime is punishable by imprisonment for a term of 12 to 20 years," the prosecutor's office added.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/908728According to the FSB CSO, all information disseminated in social networks on behalf of Prigozhin about the missile and bomb attacks allegedly inflicted by the Ministry of Defense on the rear units of the Wagner PMC is untrue and is an informational provocation.
The Russian Armed Forces continue to carry out combat missions on the line of contact with the armed forces of Ukraine in the area of the NMD.
Prigozhin's statements and actions are in fact calls for the start of an armed civil conflict on Russian territory and are a "stab in the back" to Russian servicemen fighting pro-fascist Ukrainian forces.
Due to the seriousness of the situation and the threat of an escalation of confrontation in the Russian Federation, the FSB initiated a criminalcase on the fact of a call for an armed rebellion by Prigozhin .
The CSO of the FSB urged not to make irreparable mistakes, to stop any forceful actions against the Russian people, not to carry out the criminal and treacherous orders of Prigozhin, and to take measures to detain him
https://t.me/s/rian_ru>>578455No. The whole spectacle is confusing.
>>1508054Genuine question: what's wrong with this post?
>>578500>reddit spacingClassic
>Genuine questionConcern trolling
>>578508and that's why you don't rely on mercs.
>obey the commander in chiefheh, prigozhin isn't the commander in chief.
>confirm columnsnot 50, nor 80. hard to believe.
>>578508Translation:
>“On the orders of the Ministry of Defense, I have just arrived from the front line, where our troops, our commanders, our soldiers, fighters, volunteers, carry out the task, fight the enemy to the death, but stand in their positions. I appeal to the fighters and commanders of the Wagner PMC. Together with you we have passed a difficult difficult way. We fought together, took risks, suffered losses, won together. We are of the same blood. We are warriors. I urge you to stop. The enemy is just waiting for the internal political situation to worsen in our country. You can’t play into the hands of the enemy in these difficult times for the country.” >>578500>what's wrong with this post?utkin meme for one. if russia was promoting fascism, we wouldn't have to find unconfirmed photos of people we know little about for an org we know little about. there's no intrigue involved in discovering whether a state systematically promotes fascism, look at ukraine. many far-rightists in cabinets and parliamentary leadership positions, state dependence on nationalist paramilitaries mobilized by a nationalist revolution, rehabilitation of nazi collaborator states, individuals, and armies, and of course positing an ethnic conflict as a way to regenerate the nation
kiev is also false, there was no failed assault on the city that ukraine defeated
FSB urged Wagner fighters not to follow Prigozhin's orders
Moscow. June 24. INTERFAX.RU - The Public Relations Center (DSP) of the FSB issued a statement describing Yevgeny Prigozhin's statements as a crime and betrayal and called on the Wagner PMC fighters to take measures to detain him.
"We call on the PMC fighters not to make an irreparable mistake, to stop any forceful actions against the Russian people, not to carry out the criminal and treacherous orders of Prigozhin, and to take measures to detain him," the statement says.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/908729>>578631Oligarchic hellhole vs greedy mercs
its over…
>>578672Doubt much is going to happen. Ukrop types are hoping there will be an internal military coup by disgruntled soldiers, but I don't see it.
However many troops Wagner had, it's not going to be enough. Not to mention that a lot of those aren't standing army men, but random mooks. Their loyalty isn't iron clad or ideological.
>>578656However, the Russia state are prepared if they are this dumb.
>Moscow RN.>>578608He's appealing to the wagner commanders to not follow prigozhin orders. He's the immediate link between wagner and the ministry of defence, as is said in the reports, and also a national hero.
>>578790Say it with me!
See!
Eye!
Aye!
" Security measures have been strengthened in Moscow, all the most important facilities, state authorities and transport infrastructure facilities have been taken under enhanced protection ," the law enforcement agencies told us.
According to the interlocutor of the agency, the OMON and SOBR units of the Russian Guard were raised on alarm.
Earlier, several audio recordings with his statements were posted on Prigozhin's Telegram channel. In particular, he claimed that his units were allegedly attacked, blaming the military leadership of the country for this.
The Ministry of Defense called false information about the alleged attack by the Russian Armed Forces on the "rear camps of PMC" Wagner ".
https://t.me/s/tass_agencyThe situation near the PMC Wagner Center building in St. Petersburg remains calm, there are no employees of the National Guard or other special services on the spot, our correspondent reports from the spot.
Earlier, several local Telegram channels published information that officers of the Russian Guard were allegedly conducting searches in the building. The centre's guard on duty refuted this information, answering the corresponding question of our correspondent: " Everything was quiet, the center worked all day in a regular mode ."
https://t.me/s/tass_agency>>578822true communism will happen, there will be NO democracy and NO working.
after that, the earth will be nuked and full posadism will be put in place.
>>578901>now>>578890Why have this whole spectacle, tho?
It's all, so confusing.
>>578907Q.E.D.
>>578916>I mean as fun as his antics were for war spectators, any serious leader would have prolly sacked prigozhin as soon as he started insulting generals on social mediaUnless it was a psyop to begin with because it makes no fucking sense for a climber who has navigated the RF Kremlin kleptocracy his whole life, right to the top.And who seemingly just struck gold, to then go ruin it for no reason.
I makes more sense if one believes the "narrative" of Prigozhin as an "outsider" being dispensed a special permit to prove himself, doing so as an upstart and being dismayed with how the sausage is really done. But of course that is a fantasy.
So I'm still betting on a psyop.
I'm hearing from very close sources that Wagner mercenaries in Africa have all been told to prepare to take on the Russian military. Prigozhin isn't joking at all.
The situation in Russia between Yevgeny Prigozhin and the defense ministry is creating panic in the Malian military junta, a senior government official tells me. Mali is so reliant on Wagner for military assistance.
Let no one ever underestimate Yevgeny Prigozhin. He is more powerful than many people think. Even Vladimir Putin knows that.
https://twitter.com/PhilipObajiMoscow. June 24. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian military reported that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are concentrating forces for an offensive in the Artemovsky (Bakhmutovsky) direction, taking advantage of the situation around the head of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin.
"Taking advantage of Prigozhin's provocation to disorganize the situation, the Kiev regime in the Bakhmutovsky tactical direction is concentrating units of the 35th Brigade and the 36th Marine Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the starting lines for offensive operations," the Defense Ministry said in a press release.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/908730>>579359This is what you said
>nobody can even link an English RT article (bare minimum When I've been linking interfax, tass and ria articles and other posters here have too. They've all been taking this situation seriously. You made it sound like you won't take it serious till rt English writers something which I'm sure they have. All these papers are owned by Russia state media. Why is it that when you see links to tass ria and interfax they don't make you feel it's as serious as if you saw one by rt? There must be a reason you feel it. Tell me your thought process
What is known about the case against Prigozhin.
In social networks, on behalf of the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin, information began to appear about the strike by the Russian Armed Forces on the "rear camps" of a private military company. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that this information is false.
About initiating a case
◾️Prigozhin's statements became the basis for initiating a criminal case on incitement to an armed rebellion, the National Anti-Terrorism Committee reported. They called on Prigozhin to stop illegal actions.
◾️The Prosecutor General's Office stated that a criminal case against the founder of PMC "Wagner" under Article 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on the fact of organizing an armed rebellion was initiated lawfully and reasonably. The agency clarified that it would give a proper legal assessment of his actions.
The reaction of the FSB and the Ministry of Defense
◾️The FSB called on the Wagner PMC fighters to take measures to detain Prigozhin and refuse to follow his orders.
◾️The Russian Defense Ministry said that Kyiv took advantage of the provocation of the head of the Wagner PMC and is preparing for an offensive.
The situation in the country
◾️The Moscow Exchange index during the evening session fell by more than 3%.
◾️In Rostov-on-Don, posts were set up near the headquarters of the Southern Military District. The central streets of the city are patrolled by police cars, in the west of Rostov, the sounds of flying aircraft are heard.
◾️There was no activity near the PMC Wagner Center building in St. Petersburg.
◾️The most important objects of Moscow were taken under increased protection, security measures in the capital were strengthened.
Reaction in the world
◾️The United States said it was closely monitoring the situation in Russia after Prigozhin's statements, CNN reports.
The video recording of the alleged strike on the location of the Wagner PMC is staged. This was stated by the presenter on the air of Channel One during a special news release.
" A video of the alleged consequences of a strike [on the position of the Wagner PMC] has appeared]. Obviously, this is a staged performance ," the presenter said, referring, among other things, to the investigations of the author of the Rybar Telegram channel.
Including, she stressed, the lack of other video evidence speaks of the staging of the video in the first place.
https://t.me/s/tass_agency>>579447 (me)
well, 'nothingburger' that puts on yellow alert the state, and it was issued an FSB alert on the bald bold troll.
>>579074>>579065Meds. If you think you can identify a "glowie" by their "Reddit spacing", you can blow a fat one.
Reminder that 2005 era 4chan users were apparently "Reddit spacing" before Reddit was even a thing
>>579496This is at least a week old.
Source: I'm terminally online.
Channel One presenter Ekaterina Andreeva explained live why the video about the consequences of the alleged attack on the Wagner camp was staged.
The first sign, she says, is the absence of other video evidence; statements on behalf of Prigozhin were distributed in the format of audio messages, the metadata of which is the same - they were all recorded at the same time and published in a delayed mode.
"And, finally, the third sign of a fake: no more than 15 minutes passed from the moment the video with the consequences of alleged strikes was published to the moment the first video with statements appeared. With all modern technologies, it is hardly possible to collect all the reports from the field in such a short time, analyze the consequences and write down messages," Andreeva concluded.
https://t.me/s/rian_ru>>579554What ultranationalists lmao
Prigozhin is in the same cuck party as Putin
>>579506>If this is legit, I'm calling this as a NATO op. No way wagner can so smoothly hack into national tv networks and time it perfectly with the chaos.That's unlikely, but keep in mind that after sanctions fail the next best option for the West is betting how war is historically destabilizing for Russia. It has always been assumed that in a confrontation with the West, any modern Russian state would destabilize itself too much given that the West is much greater than Japan, Afghanistan, Germany, etc. and Russia is outright semi-colonial status after the Cold War. This is also why the Cucktin posters are kinda retarded, they don't even see how the West went into 2021 feeling able to unilaterally assert a solution to the Ukraine crisis.
However the Russian state has proved pretty resilient surprisingly. The only example running against the trend is Prigozhin and it wouldn't be surprising if the West exploits this
>>579519>Can't wait to see how the Russian nationalist posters that have been jerking Wagner off for the past year wrap their minds around this.Is there any evidence of Wagner actually doing anything, or is this all about another Prigozhin video that this time crossed a line?
>>579597Broke: Russia bombed Wagner, Prigozhin is retaliating
Woke: Wagner false flagged and bombed themselves to justify a coup
Bespoke: NATO bombed Wagner from behind Russian lines to frame Russia and make Prigozhin retaliate
I mean, fake or not, for all the show the RF government is making of it… how come there are no images of this army moving? The government has the entire security apparatus, and social media would be full of people filming the Wagner PMC's march.
>>579575lol
>>579590the video is garbage for more than that:
>Information about the missile strike is fake. There are no traces of a rocket attack on any of the frames of the video: there are no craters, scorched trees, and traces of buildings of the supposedly destroyed camp.
>The shown dugout has no signs of collapse, and instead of burning buildings, tents or cars, the viewer is shown only two sources of fire, reminiscent of specially made bonfires.
>The person filming the video, despite the ostentatious panic, knows exactly where to go and what to shoot. He confidently points the camera at the only object that can be identified as the remains of a murdered person, knowing in advance where this object is located.
>In addition, the off-screen text, for all its simulated emotionality, gives the impression of being memorized in advance. People allegedly subjected to an unexpected missile attack in a few seconds of the stampede have time to analyze what happened and even name the culprit it's saying in Russian it's Shoigu and Gerasimov >>577769Tiktok is filled with reports that Wagner is now at war with Russia.
FYI.
Wagner columns should return to their places of permanent deployment, Surovikin said
Moscow. June 24. INTERFAX.RU - Sergey Surovikin, deputy commander of the joint group of troops (forces) in the special military operation zone, said that the Wagner group needs to stop the columns and return them to their permanent deployment points.
“Before it’s too late, and what needs to be done, and what needs to be done is to obey the will and order of the popularly elected President of the Russian Federation, stop the columns, return them to their permanent deployment points and areas of concentration, solve all problems only by peaceful means under the leadership of the Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ", - says Surovikin's appeal, distributed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Surovikin said that by order of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, he left the front line.
"I urge you to stop. The enemy is just waiting for the domestic political situation to escalate. You can't play into the hands of the enemy in this difficult time for the country," he said.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/908731The Ministry of Defense, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard report to Vladimir Putin around the clock on the measures taken after the instructions given by the head of state in connection with an attempted armed rebellion.
Earlier, the FSB opened a criminal case on the fact of an armed rebellion after the statements of Yevgeny Prigozhin.
https://t.me/s/tass_agency>>579672Don't stop war reporting the
column that no one has seen, has stopped:
https://t.me/dontstopwar/9867>According to our information, the columns stopped. Somehow it doesn't fit. I hope the Supreme and Prigozhin solve the problem between themselves. Krasnov reported to Putin on the initiation of a case on an attempted armed rebellion
Moscow. June 24. INTERFAX.RU - Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Igor Krasnov made a report to President Vladimir Putin in the context of initiating a criminal case on an attempt to organize an armed rebellion, reporting on the legality of legal actions, said the press secretary of the Russian leader Dmitry Peskov.
"The Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Krasnov reported to Putin in the context of initiating a criminal case in connection with an attempt to organize an armed rebellion," Peskov said.
According to him, the Prosecutor General also informed the head of state about the legality of initiating such a criminal case.
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/908732The social network "VKontakte" blocked one of the statements of the founder of PMC "Wagner" Yevgeny Prigozhin.
On the page of the press service of the Concord company, owned by Prigozhin, on the social network, instead of a statement published on June 23 at 21:52 Moscow time, a message appeared stating that the material was blocked on the territory of the Russian Federation based on the decision of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation dated June 23, 2023 .
Photo: vk.com/Concord press service
https://t.me/s/tass_agency>>579693>I'm sorry anon, multipolarism dies here.I doubt it, unfortunately we now know it's going to be a long new century. But still, multipolarism has arrived as the negation of the negation. We left behind national for international capitalism only to conclude with decolonization, or perhaps inter-imperialist antagonism, unipolarity, and emergence.
It seems forced to rise by the crisis of liberalism in the negation, and Russia has been the most driven away from it. Russia as a global crossroads of sorts has accordingly come to play a very significant role as a pivot between the two, having gone from embracing 1989 to freezing decommunization. With a wavering Russia finally settled on the world and how much it has to converge with the West to modernize, alternatives can now start rising with China as the chief engine. That's why the two are in together so deep.
These global conditions aren't going away anytime soon. You're going to just have to try your best to update theory and not fight too much.
>>579911I have a real soft spot for multipolar/MAGA communist/Haz types, and like half of their theory is correct - but you're not gonna win anyone over with the orthodox ML talk. ML is completely discredited both theoretically, historically, and to the vast majority of Americans.
What multipolars would be wise to do is drop the tankie-adjacent stuff, drop the anti-LGBT stuff and keep everything else. You'd probably win a lot of ppl that way. But keep the ML shit and its a death sentence.
>>579920>ML is completely discredited both theoretically, historically, […] to the vast majority of Americans. Umm good?
The more I hear burgers open their mouths the less I want them to have nice things
>>579974were back on the kino timeline.
were so back.
>>579920I'm not really sure what you are saying. I see three choices. You can go first campist and decide to shill for liberal-capitalism, you can update the second camp and its formula of class struggle on one side of the colonial contradiction and national struggle on the other, or you can decide finally now is the time for the third camp where we can pronounce that neither democracy nor imperialism is the global contradiction and it's really just capitalism period
This choice can't be made on the basis of American or Western sensibilities…why would it be?
>>580056Of course it's not
Musicians will storm a position knowing they'll die if ordered to
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