No.580450
>>580446I'm convinced that a third of the indian economy is based on swindling boomers out of money with fake tech support scams, and that if the scams stopped the indian economy would collapse overnight
No.580451
>>580449The Five-Year Plan (to build Call Centres)
No.580452
>>580437Because NATO refused the RF you massive fucking moron
No.580453
>>580427I completely lost respect for him very recently when he shitted up Latin America.
>>580405A T80. that 120mm cannon hits hard, so it seems.
and yes, those are kypis. very characteristic mud flap.
>>580407BF3 told me a MRAP
No.580454
>>580453>>580407kek, posted in a hurry.
>BF3 told me a MRAP can withstand a 120mm direct hit.what a lie.
No.580455
>>580453You had respect for some nobody monarchist?
No.580456
>>580423of course, a couple of groups of reactionaries would love to get rid of Putin.
>>580455didn't know that, kek. now to the trash his TG.
No.580458
>>580452>Because NATO refused the RF you massive fucking moronAnd do you think the circumstances are likely to revert that disposition? Because otherwise whatever Putin thinks changes nothing if the material circumstances still force the RF to be in opposition to US/NATO and dependent on China.
Another thing is that, unless Prigozhin's stunt was fully staged as a psyop, Putin seems to be a figurehead. One that just got publicly mogged by a loudmouthed clown persona after promising said clown fire and brimstone. So Putin's personal opinion on things may matter even less than previously assumed.
No.580459
>>580452Psst. Stalin asked to join NATO, too.
No.580460
>>580457I'm gonna eat those rabbits
No.580461
>>580460Never ate rabbit but I've heard it tastes "gamey"
No.580462
>>580459not only that, he wanted to join the bretton woods accord and participated openly in their cretion (though most of their proposals got rejected, like the europeans. the u.s. felt really smug those years)
No.580463
>>580459To prove a political point? Retard
>>580458I think that if they were to change. If, say, the USA permitting European integration in order to focus on China, I would have no doubts that the RF will gladly throw itself into the gas tanks of Germans, Anglos, French, and Italians
No.580464
>>580463Ah, so Putin's attempt was completely different, and proved no political point?
No.580465
>>580464Holy fuck. You cannot be obtuse. Stalin wanted to join NATO because it was obstensibly post ww2 alliance of great powers to maintain international peace, not an anticommunist alliance. He wanted to prove it was a farce in order to have the justification to create the Warsaw Pact
Putin wanted to join NATO because it wanted integraiton as a junior parter within the Pax Americana
No.580466
>>580465>b-b-b-but his motivations!So? He got reminded that NATO is, was, and always will be an anti-Russia alliance.
No.580467
>>580466not in any special way. NATO is anti every nation that it imperializes, youre such a romanticist
No.580468
>>580466>So? He got reminded that NATO is, was, and always will be an anti-Russia alliance.The fact that he needed to be reminded is what's sad
No.580470
>>580468Reality takes its toll. It is not negotiable.
No.580471
>>580465>it was obstensibly post ww2 alliance of great powers to maintain international peaceno, by the time bretton woods already happened, and the Soviets knew there was a lot of fishy things about the u.s., nato wasn't saw as a way to maintain peace. they wanted to join to
see what is…https://dzen.ru/a/Y4ItbTYv7BFxsiyyMachine translated:
<Stalin believed that NATO was not a peaceful organization
>Initially, NATO consisted of 12 countries that positioned the tasks of the union as "ensuring the security of each of the members of the treaty." For Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, such a formulation seemed stupid, and therefore the attempt of the USSR to join NATO was a completely logical step. Stalin ordered that documents be prepared as soon as possible for an application to join NATO.
>And everything was done fairly quickly. Already at the beginning of 1949 (NATO was officially founded on April 4, 1949 - ed.), the then Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR Vyshinsky sent a note to the British Parliament, in which a request was written to consider the possibility of the Soviet Union joining NATO.Not only that, Stalin also wanted to create the same neutral zone away of the USSR, like Putin wants to do, but still comes closer:
>In a note dated January 29, 1949, to the government of Norway, the USSR stated that the proposed creation of NATO provides for the creation of bases for this bloc near the Soviet borders. Therefore, in that document, Norway was “asked” whether it intended to join NATO, and whether this would mean the creation of military bases on Norwegian territory. At the same time, through diplomatic channels, the USSR proposed the creation of a North European zone of neutrality, and a similar idea had been put forward by Sweden since 1948.https://topwar.ru/26930-stalin-i-nato-hronologiya-sobytiy.htmlAlso, noteworthy, Krushev in their 'de-Stalinization' double-down the same intention to join.So this join attempts are more like:
>bro, is this organization about invading us or not?and in each rejection, it's proven the west wants to invade Russia.
No.580472
>>580469NTAnakanon, but read:
>>580471 No.580473
>>580450in their senility boomers have become accidentally anti-imperialist and begun transferring wealth to the global south
No.580474
>>580472thanks. What was the fake reasoning NATO put forward for each rejection?
No.580475
>>580470Yes and the reality is that Putin needed to be reminded of what's obvious. Cheers.
No.580476
>>580469It's not Stalin or Khrushchev directly that ask for these sorts of things, it's the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Molotov. And I doubt either Stalin or Khrushchev had any illusions about NATO.
No.580477
>>580474good question, and I have no idea. perhaps they addressed some security issues, or incompatible doctrines, don't quote me on that.
No.580479
>>580478Libs have a deep stetted fear that whoever replaces Cuckking is not going to be the "good lib" they dream of but rather a guy whose finger will not tremble when he pushes the nuke button.
No.580480
>>580478The truth broke their brains
No.580482
>>580453>I completely lost respect for him very recently when he shitted up Latin America.lmao when?
No.580483
>>580476>It's not Stalin or Khrushchev directly that ask for these sorts of things, it's the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Molotov. I'm aware. I was simply asking who was general secretary when this negotiation happened because you said pic related.
>And I doubt either Stalin or Khrushchev had any illusions about NATO.wasn't suggesting to the contrary.
No.580484
>>580369Putin is an anti-communist, but the Ukraine crisis is specifically about decommunization. Decommunization as a way to expand global capitalism selects for Europeanness by selecting for those nationalities which can form a nation-state out of a multinational state (which define the east per Stalin), repeating a process the bourgeoisie historically depends on. The multinational state is supposed to be the USSR whose ties are now conserved by the Putinist All-Russian empire.
In reality the multinational state is the SSR in question, they are not nation-states and they internally contradict with the process of "a nation becoming a state" that defines the west per Stalin. That internal contradiction is rationalized as 1989 happening all over again, but now the empire is internal. But it's still the confrontation with an empire from which emerges the liberal bourgeoisie. So Russians in Donbass represent an 'empire' and need to deal with the foreign-sponsored 'decommunization' of Ukrainians becoming a state, which is just national supremacy in a multinational SSR with a liberal-democratic veneer. Once that reactionary colonial war is out of the way, Ukraine can develop an open society, unite the nation and Europe, and contain Russia, which is enraged by how much democracy is flowering in the region as it degenerates.
No.580485
>>580478Putin will go soon or become a powerless "emperor" at best
after yesterday's happening, the real coup is just a few months away
No.580486
>>580484you are correct but the anon you are talking to is beyond reason. they are perfectly convinced putin is not anti-communist even though he is a member of an anti-communist party and the ruler of a bourgeois post-communist government who has personally accumulated a vast bourgeois fortune during Yeltsin's privatizations by taking direct ownership of means of production. All they see is based former KGB agent who owns the libtards and is anti-imperialist by sheer accident of history.
No.580488
>>580484>Russia, which is enraged by how much democracy is flowering in the region as it degenerates.The neocolonies of the post Soviet states is obvious. Democracy is not flowering anywhere, in fact, liberal democracy is retreating from the effects of its own instability and rushing to the hands of the fascists
No.580489
>>580486There's simply no doubt that as of recently Putin is not anticommunist but at the very least communist curious
No.580490
>>580482the Friday night. he said that Russia will eventually end up like Latin-American tier garbage governments if the Russian state is not resolute in crushing prigozhin or allowing him to do whatever he pleases.
See:
>And, yes, I thought that something like this would be closer to the fall, but rather already in the fall and always against the backdrop of new defeats at the front. Although in advance (more than once, who on my page for a long time can testify) publicly suggested that Prigozhin could play a significant role in the coup or its attempt. Therefore, for me, the rebellion right now is also a bit of a surprise. The hasty withdrawal of Wagner from the front and Prigozhin's active struggle for "a place near Belgorod" gave me the idea that he was preparing a "march on Moscow" (from Belgorod to Moscow is definitely much closer than from Lugansk). But the competition was won by Akhmat. And, finally, Prigozhin's actions are a real stab in the back and cannot be perceived differently by me. Not to mention the fact that his possible rise to power will immediately cause:>- rebellion in Chechnya and the beginning of the 3rd Chechen campaign (inevitable);>- a very likely collapse of the front and the enemy's invasion of the Crimea, the fall of Donetsk and Lugansk;- the beginning of the process of disintegration of the Russian Federation;
<- A short, but very dirty and bloody period of the "dictatorship of the Latin American model." Without rules and without laws - according to criminal "concepts".throwing mud over Latin America out of nothing.
https://t.me/strelkovii/5643Not the first time, when I dig up more:
>On the page of "Colonel Kassada" (B. Rozhina) I observe an undisguised triumph over the "triumph of the left in Bolivia". If I understand something in Latin American affairs, then Rozhin's "party" joy (stupid, if only because the "leftists" (including numerous "Trotskyists" and their ideological followers), coming to power, many times brought countries Latin America to complex economic and political collapse, but never to prosperity) is premature.
>I believe that in the end we will observe 2 scenarios in Bolivia:>- a new military coup BEFORE or immediately AFTER the return of Maduro;>- the triumphant return of Maduro, a large-scale flight from Bolivia of all "European" (in terms of original origin) ethnic elements, coup attempts, civil wars and complete degradation.
>Whether I'm right, or B. Rozhin, the party-jubilant Internet-leftist-theorist, is right - the next few years will show.https://t.me/strelkovii/618 No.580492
>>580488>The neocolonies of the post Soviet states is obvious. Democracy is not flowering anywhere, in fact, liberal democracy is retreating from the effects of its own instability and rushing to the hands of the fascistsYea decommunization doesn't produce liberalism. I don't know what you call a Ukrainian nation state carved out of the 'empire' represented by Donbass and other multinational areas, but it's not a liberal democracy like the Western nation states. It's a farcical recycling of western nationalities becoming states that represents a multinational eastern state fighting itself to the benefit of exploiters
No.580493
>>580484Again with that reasoning…
another speech of Putin:
https://www.belrussia.ru/page-id-7543.html>“As for the small discussion that unfolded at the Council on Science and my assessment of the Soviet past, I, like millions of our citizens, was a member of the Communist Party. And not just the Communist Party, but worked for 20 years in an organization called the KGB, and it is the heiress of the Cheka, which was called the armed detachment of the party. I can’t say that I was an ideological communist, but nevertheless <I treated it with care. I was not a functionary, I was an ordinary member, but I did not throw away the membership card, did not burn it. I really liked and still like some of the ideas of the Communist Party. If we look at the code of the builders of communism, it is very reminiscent of the Bible, and this is not a joke.”again, he's not anti-communist. anti-communist have no sense of respect for communism at all, and given the fact anti-communists once in power anti-communism, they are very recalcitrant reactionaries towards communism.
No, he's not communist, and I reckon some moronic attacks to the USSR.
No.580494
>>579296Leftists by nature tend to be word masturbators. A single tone-deaf phrase can break their brains, while another single tone-deaf phrase can make them cream their pants. An example of the latter – many examples actually – can be found in Cucktin's annexation speech and other speeches last year, in which many people were hoping for some kind of concrete ultimatum that would compel Ukrainian surrender but got a bunch of titillating history-lesson phrases instead.
No.580495
>>580489>as of recently Putin is not anticommunist but at the very least communist curiousHe is nationalist and interested in breaking away from NATO and might even be interested in a more dirigisme like economy, and reversing the privatization and looting that happened under yeltsin. But nationalization of key industries is not enough to say someone isn't anti-communist. Plenty of anti-communist leaders nationalized key industries.
No.580496
>>580489He really wants to be a full-on anticommunist but material conditions hit him on the head really, really hard. He wants to venerate Gorbachev's death, but at the same time the people who support Russia against the West are not liberals like himself but rather communists and third world countries
No.580498
>>580490I don't think a ¿Monarchist? whatever could do a "broken clock speaks truth twice a day" so easily, and I was correct.
I bet that he is referring to Sicario-yellowesque hollywood stereotype with latin america of lawlessness and gringos overhead. Although sadly, this is truth to an extend for most of latam history after the spanish left the mainland.
Mexico had Santa Ana more than 3 times as president (lost them half their country and still got the chair again), Central America imploded, same with Colombia and in the end, a consolidation of even a pale bourg state just was archieved in the XX century in the small banana republics.
But the second part seals that he is a retard.
>Maduro will bring economical chaos to BoliviaThe gamer move of joining both countries seem to have happened only in his head
>If Maduro (lmao) wins heckin race war/fleeingHow can anyone take this seriously?
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