No.585777
>>1611932
>>1611932
Yankee go home
No.585778
Pretty sure there's no town called "Asuka" in Kent.
No.585784
>>585783Father i've told you before you should cover the curtain before doing a Nazi salute, now people thinks you're a transphobe
No.585785
>>585783Are we TERFs now father?
No.585786
>>585783Hello, IT, have you tried transitioning and detransitioning back again?
No.585787
>>585783Guess he can now empathise with trans people!
No.585788
Is Liz really about to have another run at it?
No.585792
>>585790Pathetic. But it was never for anyone except business travellers anyway
No.585793
Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-66978108Tories truly understand the commoners.
No.585795
>>585794Dying party, ringing the barrel of it's dregs, nobody is looking past what job they can land after they are kicked out.
Watch The Thick of It if you want to understand this phenomena better.
No.585796
>>585794>stand up and fightAgainst ourselves? War with china?
No.585797
>>585794Why do people vote Tory anyway? They’ve been running the government for 10 years and they fucked it all up.
No.585799
>>585797This tbh. Tories are like our "muh order, tradition and nationalism" parties we have on the continent that constantly virtue-signal about the left killing the west and great replacement yet they somehow manage to increase brown immigration tenfold and all their female members are liberal feminists identical to any labour party feminists anyway.
They're like Meloni on steroid and they somewhat have ruled for fucking decades and still manage to be reelected from time to times after the chaos they cause.
European right-wingers really makes you think the jewish kabbal controling politic to enact a kalergi plan is real because i just cannot see any other rationalisation of their politics, it's pure nonsense.
Do only boomers that want their superpension while wanting to show a lesson to these lazy younglins vote for them or what?
No.585800
Suella Braverman is cool because under her own standards she, her parents, and her children should be chased off the island at gunpoint. I'm sure Enoch Powell is watching and crylaughing from the depths of hell
No.585801
>>585797>Why do people vote Tory anyway? Vested interests. Landlords, home owners, NIMBYs etc.
>They’ve been running the government for 10 years and they fucked it all up.Labour would be just as retarded tbh. The issues lie deeper than political parties, and Labour isn't exactly a force for radical institutional change. People recognise this and don't bother to turn up to vote the tories out.
No.585803
>>585800i'm sorry but
>that physiognomyI don't think people that look this fucked up should be allowed in public or to reproduce, let alone to rule over other people. They should be typing on machines or something in their little caves.
No.585804
>>585803She just looks like an Indian auntie, chill
No.585805
>>585804The indian i see everyday look normal
No.585806
>>585797I've been asking myself that question since about 2016, and I still don't really have an answer. I think we just don't expect better anymore, and would prefer to drag each other down, like a nation of crabs in a giant bucket.
Also they've kind of been running the government for 13 years if you include the coalition government.
No.585807
>>585806>if you include the coalition government.Why wouldn't you include it? It is kind of farcical to even call it a coalition to be air.
No.585809
DOG RACISM IS NOT COOL!!!
No.585811
>>585790Watching this play out from across the pond but man what a shitshow. Now Tories are selling the property they acquired along the ROW. Real scorched earth tactics. Ive heard from some folks that they arent going to win the next election regardless and are just looting while they can.
Its very reminiscent of the shit our conservatives in leafland get up to, just delay and cancel all progress in the name of austerity, but this is on a whole different level with the scale of it. Britain will be feeling the effects of this for a long time no doubt
Like I get that there were flaws with the project but cancelling it wasnt the solution and surely whatever picrel is sucks in comparison
No.585813
>>585783>>585812a addiction to shit sites like twitter is a bitch
No.585814
>>585794Reminds me of that one navy advert where you can fix a destroyer if you can fix a skateboard. That and my old English teacher.
No.585815
>>585811Don’t blame the Tories, the British public let them get away with it.
No.585816
>>585783>who he blamesDo they mean other than himself?
No.585817
>conservatives always lecture on nanny state govt, personal responsibility and liberty
>ban smoking fags
No.585818
>>585817<can't smoke<can't own certain dogs<can't protest<can't tell my MP to fuck off on twitter<can't buy a butter knife<can't buy energy drinks<can't go within 200m of a schoolThe party of 'personal fredoms' and 'liberal values' lads!
No.585819
Backwards Country, Tories symbolize this Backwardness and Promote it, especially seen with this recent conference, bullshit patriotism, bullshit nationalism.
Kwame Ture said "Capitalism doesn't lie a little bit of the time, it lies all the time", You see how they're trying to portray currently milquetoast and regressive labour as progressive social democrats, bullshit.
The conservatives are really trying to or have successfully snuffed any progress and change, or rather superstructural progress are already snuffed in Capitalism, conservative rhetoric simply displaying this.
Entire country needs to change, advance and progress, the current direction seems regressive, reactionary and backwards… A dwindling country, an already dwindled empire is susceptible to fascism with the transformation of the economic base Negatively e.g. current crises like inflation, cost of living or a general economic depression, it only seems cultural and political attitudes as well as material reality together will be continuing on a backwards trend, e.g. continuation and support of the Monarchy, their coffers filling up.
No.585820
>>585811>oh noes! why did tehy cancel the train!!<proles! will you please get angry about the cancelation of the train you can't afford to use to places you never want to go?fuck off.
No.585821
>>585820I mean it is pretty crazy that they used the power of the government to compel sale of thousands of properties and are now gonna raffle them off to their mates
No.585822
>>585821Yea that is pretty mental, seems like another mate at the pub? PPE producer. kind of thing.
No.585824
>>1617801
holy fucking shit, what a clown show
No.585826
>>585779Won't happen, British media compared Corbyn to Mao for the way he rides a bike and that was enough to scare people into voting for Conservatives.
No.585827
>>585826better a maoist cyclist than a Jong-il bacon butty tyrant.
No.585829
Remember that Hamas is a proscribed terrorist group in the UK, lads. Be careful what you say.
No.585837
Seems like the police and shops are gonna make another push for facial recognition, hate this shit so much. I know we're already a surveillance state but still.
Worst part is when I bitch about it to people so many still hit you with the "well if you've got nothing to hide" bollocks.
No.585838
>>585836This guys revolution didnt even succeed He invented platormism which was accused of Bolshevism by other anarchists due to its vanguardism…
What a terrible guy to pick LMAO.
No.585839
>>585836Why would you chose a picture of a guy who lost a war to lenin in this circumstance? Are anarchists really this retarded?
No.585840
>>585836bizarre choice of picture
No.585841
>>585778There's a Langley (Park)
No.585842
Never seen the Media in this country blast blatant propaganda at this scale, very showing in relation to Occupied Palestine.
No.585843
>/leftybritpol/ - pet genocide edition
based and liberation-pilled.
owning a living being is slavery, pets are exploited for pleasure and imported pets devastate local environments
pet ownership is bourgeois decadence.
No.585844
>>585839>Why would you chose a picture of a guy who lost a war to lenin in this circumstance?<2023<doesn't understand the concept of baitsmartest britpol.
No.585845
>>585843Lenin owned cats so u r wrong
No.585847
>>585846People in the UK can't afford electricity, food and housing. you are insane if you think they will or should waste their time campaigning around some irrelivent monarch.
No.585848
>>585846We already have a constitutional monarchy
Parliament controls the country
No.585849
>>585843You cant *make* animals free
And pets would be seen more as parasites/symbiotes than slaves (like lumpen proles for example). Animals used for food would be placed into the category of slavery.
No.585851
>>585850People on the left aren't shocked by this, those in the centre and on the right don't care democracy wasn't upheld and they're just glad they're not being meaningfully challenged by Labour anymore.
No.585853
>>585852Traitors. Both of them.
No.585855
>>585854To be fair to him, most of wales is too remote for train journeys and you need cars tod drive up the dirt tracks and such.
No.585856
>>585853Meloni is a traitor. But Sunak is just a foreign agent.
No.585858
>>585857The brahmins bvlls of India
No.585859
>>585857Rishi Sunak was a permanent U.S. resident until he became prime mister.
No.585860
>>585856Are we still going on on these traitor shit. Calm down whiteys 99% of those migrants coming aren't and will never be permanent residents. There's just simply no low to medium skilled manpower left in Europe so this is a temporary stopgap solution.
This isn't just me talking. There is a severe manpower shortage across the West generally that even the Catholic church is forced to import clergy from BBCfrica due to a general priest shortage in the US
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/u-s-catholic-clergy-shortage-eased-by-recruits-from-africa No.585861
>>585860The West is gonna pop so hard
No.585862
>>585860>99% of those migrants coming aren't and will never be permanent residentsIncorrect, they will stay.
>even the Catholic church is forced to import clergy from BBCfricaThe only goal of the catholic church and christianity in general is to rape underage boys, oppress gays/trans and turn every country into brazil. Massive nonwhite/non-eastasian immigration is capital to achieve at least 2 of these things. All religious right-wingers are the same and have the same agenda they do not hide it you know.
Also this will end up really bad as soon as the western economies crashes, it's gonna be a thermonuclear race war over here every races fucking hates each others.
No.585863
I mean even the most pro-lgbt pro-feminist libtards i know are starting to talk about how we can't live with muslims and browns and how we must deport/genocide them. Muslims and newly arrived browns on the other hand hates whites and western values and talk endlessly about killing whites and turning the place into an muslim shithole.
None of this will end well, as soon as china become the world's 1st economy and military the west will explode into a massive racial and religious conflics.
No.585864
>>585863this is why i want to leave europe as a middle class hwiteoid. not in 1 or 2 years mind you, but eventually, because this place is going to shit. i'd like to live in china but latam is honestly more likely at the moment since china hates immigration for some reason
No.585865
>>585864>since china hates immigration for some reasonLooking at the west right now (and how it's gonna evolve in the future), you can't blame them for not wanting immigration.
No one besides christians and porkies like immigration anyway.
No.585866
/leftybritpol/ supports mass repatriations btw
No.585867
I just heard it on the radio. Two British terrorists were trying to blow up a hospital in Germany.
Here is their recorded dialogue:
>I am extreme stupid island monkey.
<I also.
>I hate Germany because I evil am.
<I also. I drive on the wrong street side because I crazy am.
>Now let us the illhouse upblow.
<Haha! Yes! Equal goes it loose!
How do you justify this?? Take a stance.
No.585868
>>585856Right wing schizo post
No.585869
>>585855>most of wales is too remote for train journeys and you need cars tod drive up the dirt tracks "Dirt tracks"? lol Wales isn't the Congo or Siberia
South Wales has plenty of railways and dual carriageways.
He's just a bourgeois cunt who wants to take away cars from the working class
No.585870
The EU had great synergy with the atlanticist project yet for some reason the tories' autism forced them to constantly screech at the thought of a continental French-German bloc not letting them fellate America's knob.
Of course the US itself never forgave Chirac and Schroder for Iraq so they ramped up the psyops until Sarkozy fully integrated France into NATO and any chance of detente with Russia could be positively shitcanned.
This causes me great pain, of course no one wants to hear my tellurocratic Whitehall-Kremlin -axis foreign policy takes on a island nation, for that i suggest lowering the sea level to raise Doggerland and reunite this benighted nation with the mainland.
No.585871
Critical support for Labour social-fascists and petit-bourgeois eco-reactionary anarchist Lets Stop Oil activists for intensifying the class and political struggle against kkkar$ through their own inherent contradictions.
No.585874
Are there any parties/organisations in the UK that are worth joining?
No.585875
>>585874Depends what you are wanting to do.
No.585876
>>585874No.
Britain is as much of a two-party state as USA, and by the time the election rolls around every "radical" and "dissident" party chooses a side. Red or blue.
I remember the BNP dissolving and its members joining the tories (despite the tories increasing immigration by mediating the blairist revolution), and i'm already seeing now the "socialists" in britain idly approve with strategic ambivalence the appointing of starmer as the new PM.
Both parties are held in negation to eachother and so offer no positive projects.
In fact, the rare case of forwarding smoking regulations by sunak is the only recent example i can think of, of enacting a positive vision - which was oddly met by everyone with a quasi-libertarian "my body, my choice" rhetoric.
Its not revolutionary to be optimistic.
No.585877
>>585876>he thinks political action begins and ends in parlimentlol. faggot. gtfo.
>>585867top kek.
No.585878
>>585877All political action DOES end in parliamentary nonsense due to partisanship in the culture. It shouldnt, but it does, cos if you slag off labour youre a tory and if you criticise the tories then you are a labourite.
>oh but my special group with 50 people in it know the truth and dont capitualte to voting.Ok. Good for you.
No.585880
>>585876nah, there's tories, labor, lib dems, sinn fein
No.585882
>>585879>posts anarkiddy video of "revolutionary" larpMaybe youre making my point for me
Do we need more martyrs?
No.585884
>>585882<t. worlds most active ML.BATH. ELECTRICAL APPLIANCE. NOW.
No.585885
>>585883>>585884>get arrested for no reason to impress my friends If i'm going down, i'm going down with a bit more dignity
No.585886
>>5858851) they have literally destroyed arms factories so they cannot operate
2) they all get off lmao
No.585887
>>585886Who cares pseud. Read Marx.
No.585888
>>585887What did Marx have to say about Settler Colonialism and Strategies to resist it exactly?
No.585889
>>585888He said; 'Direct Action is cringe and ego-based, read more pseud.'
No.585893
>>585892I think they might actually get a seat out of this
No.585895
>>585893They could probably poach the anti-Zionist wing of labour and a decent amount of Muslims tbh.
No.585898
>>585893would just be Bradford again
No.585899
>>585823to be fair there are some decent places here in the states
No.585900
>>585897LFI is so fucking based but too bad they will be punished for it in polling.
No.585903
https://web.archive.org/web/20231105081600/https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/04/plans-to-redefine-extremism-would-include-undermining-uk-values?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
<Revealed: plan to brand anyone ‘undermining’ UK as extremist>Under the proposed definition in the documents, extremism would be the promotion of any ideology which aims to “overturn or undermine the UK’s democracy, its institutions and values; or threaten the rights of individuals or create a permissive environment for radicalisation, hate crime and terrorism”.I want to see a new terror the likes of which would put Robespierre to shame, carried out against the bourgeoisie of this nation and their pathetic little stooges.
If this bill passes I'd be glad to call myself an extremist.
No.585905
Fuck Remembrance Day.
No Respect For Imperialist Soldiers Of Empire or Contemporary Britain.
Massive Palestine Protests on Saturday, Go Attend!
No.585906
>>585905>No Respect For Imperialist Soldiers Of Empire or Contemporary Britain.Cringe.
No.585907
>>585906You care and have respect for an army with reactionary tendencies? Did you forget about the Military Propaganda against Corbyn?
No.585909
>>585903>>585904The problem with the left is that it has bored hired killers like us among its ranks, but also limp wristed libs who think meat is murder
Marxists have to separate from the left and become their own independent political formation to avoid idealism or revision. This is what scientific socialism is all about - cutting out the weeds from our own ranks. Only the swoletariat have the might to carry the world on its shoulders.
No.585910
>>585909>the bourg is evil which is why meat isn't murderlol
No.585912
>>585910Its not about good vs evil, its about turning the wheel of history forward
No.585913
>>585909>Marxists have to separate from the left and become their own independent political formation to avoid idealism or revision. This is what scientific socialism is all about - cutting out the weeds from our own ranks. True. Marx spent as much time dunking on "leftists" as capitalists. Left unity is a joke.
No.585914
>>585910Communism is for people.
No.585915
>>585914People will be better off with a plant based diet
economy too
>>585912Fine whatever, full veganism is the future
No.585917
>>585915>People will be better off with a plant based diet >economy tooI disagree but literally nothing to do with socialism is the main point.
No.585918
>>585913The critique of the gotha program is marx's "fuck you" to the socialists of his day. "Anti-duhring" is engels'. Lenin fought the mensheviks. Stalin fought the reformers. And so on.
A more clear division in the left would be nice; at least then it would separate the wheat from the chaff.
No.585919
>>585917I'm not even the one that brought it up though. Why is that anon sperging about 'meat is murder' and somehow blaming that for the failure of the left.
No.585920
>>585919Veganism is idealism
It shouldnt take precedence in marxist circles
Thats my basic point
No.585921
>>585920How is it any more 'idealism' than Marxism
No.585922
>>585918And he also btfo anarchists. Now we have to pretend we are all on the same team.
No.585923
>>585921Because veganism is moralism whereas marxism is science based on a critique of political economy
No.585924
>>585922Yep.
Stalin's work "anarchism or socialism" is the most succinct criticism of them. Marx even describes the market in its dynamical terms as an "anarchy" which must be crushed by the dictatorship of the proletariat. This is the negation of the negation, or socialism itself.
No.585925
>>585923The reasons why meat-based diets are destroying the planet are scientific though. If you read Marxism as a purely scientific and not moralistic process then we shouldn't need to do anything, communism will spontaneously happen on its own when capitalism reaches a late enough stage of development.
No.585926
>>585922>>585924If you guys can somehow develop a mass M-L movement then go ahead, until then we should work with other leftists
No.585927
>>585925I agree that factory farming is terrible
But vegan-ism is false consciousness
No.585928
>>585926Nah
The left will do as it does, but i have no part in it
No.585929
>>585927I fail to see how it's false consciousness.
>>585928Well that's fine, but I don't see the point in bitching about anarchists who are actually doing stuff like food not bombs while you sit in your mind palace of perfect M-L correctness and do nothing but shit on others
No.585930
>>585926It's just a waste of time and energy. The quotes aren't about Marxism or socialism per se, but they apply the same way.
The enemy you let into your camp are much more dangerous than the enemy in their own camp.
No.585931
>>585929Idgaf about owen jones or novara media or joe politics or adam curtis or corbyn or labour or the trotskyist "socialist alternative".
Doesnt fill me with any real passion to think of what could be done between these main players of the british left.
What are anarchists doing? Spraypainting walls and setting fires in bins? Its boring to me.
And im not looking for perfection, just a radical edge. A well-educated party.
Veganism is false consciousness because its fundamentalist and so uncritical. It begins with its ends so to speak. Thats why vegans will never embrace self criticism.
No.585932
>>585930Doctrinaire MLs in the UK don't even have a 'camp'.
No.585933
>>585931If you want to criticize Trots and Anarchists and so on then like I said, maybe actually do something and build your own movement. You people are so tiresome.
No.585934
>>585933Revolutionary action requires revolutionary theory
I want to walk before i can run
Political activism for its own sake gets you jan. 6, where the angry plebs storm the illusory mantle of power and get set up in a pig pen for feds to filter them out from their own
Blowing up a police station doesnt get you anywhere except behind bars
No.585935
>>585934You really think you can find the key to revolution in a book and not on the streets?
No.585936
>>585932Because people keep wasting their time and energy supporting people who want something fundamentally different. Look at the fucking Labour Party.
No.585937
>>585935Its not one or the other
But there is still an order of operations
Every war has its strategy
If the day was here when it was possible to take powers i would happily join the street soldiers and be a martyr, but that day is not here, and cannot be summoned by the flippancy of kids looking for a fight.
No.585938
>>585936So it's everyone else's fault why there's no based and correct ML party that's even come close to winning one council seat?
>>585937The day of revolution will never come unless people do the work to build class consciousness and dual power.
No.585939
>>585938I agree
Thats why we need a true ML party
And we also need guns, which is harder
No.585940
>>585938>So it's everyone else's fault why there's no based and correct ML party that's even come close to winning one council seat?No socialist party can win any seats because of shit like the labour party. Maybe a Corbyn type party could get some seats, but instead they keep falling for the same trap over and over again. All they end up doing is enable the Starmers, Browns, and Blairs.
No.585941
>>585939If we need a true ML party before you can do any work then make one.
>>585940Labour isn't even social democratic now, they're centre right, and it's still their fault why socialists can't gain ground?
No.585942
>>585941>Labour isn't even social democratic now, they're centre right, Exactly
>and it's still their fault why socialists can't gain ground?It's the fault of people like Corbyn and the people who supported that bullshit strategy.
No.585943
>>585941>>585942 me
To put it more clearly the second you let people into your socialist party who aren't socialists you're on the path to destruction. If you support a non-socialist party you are doing nothing, just wasting time and energy.
No.585944
>>585942Well Corbyn is politically dead and gone so now what's your excuse? At least he tried to something.
No.585945
>>585941I'll make a revolutionary party when im ready
Im not ready yet
No.585946
>>585944So what is your strategy?
No.585947
>>585946IDK probably join whatever socialist/anarchist party in my area seems the coolest and most active.
>>585945Well ok, fair enough, good luck then, the theory better be impeccable though to make it better than all the other parties already out there.
No.585948
>>585947>>585947How many seats do they have?
No.585949
>>585947Sometimes its less about theory and more about the discretion you give to who you allow to infiltrate your parties
No.585950
>>585948None but at least they have some kinds of projects going.
No.585951
>>585907>>585908Remembrance Day is more about commemorating the soldiers who died - mainly in the two world wars - than the current military establishment.
No.585952
Wait why did my post start a conversation about meat?
No.585954
>>585953Braverman is too radical, the media won't let her get elected.
No.585955
>>585954How so? they seem content to kiss up to the right thus far
No.585956
>>585955They're currently admonishing her for empowering the street-right for the demo on saturday and talking about removing her anon.
No.585957
>>585953>Tories crushed in next GEYou could have stopped there.
By the end of another 5 years of New Labourism we will essentially have fascism. The threat of rightist authoritarianism doesn't come from Braverman - or even really the Tories - but rather the Labour Party.
No.585958
>>585954This. Look at how they got rid of Liz Truss.
No.585959
>>585957I mean we basically already have rightist authoritarianism, what else could it be when there's only two parties that can win and they both have basically the exact same policy platform?
No.585960
>>585959True but I believe things can still get a lot worse.
No.585961
>>585951If it was a commemoration of them as 'lambs sacrificed to the wolves', that is understandable however it is about so called self-sacrifice, the 'goodness' of empire and 'his majesty's army' in servitude to this nation as a positive rather than negative thing, the poor working class troops slaughters including colonial troops who won victories for Britain portrayed as positive when it is a negative, no better than slaves doing the bidding of its master or attempts to negotiate its freedom.
No.585963
Do you guys know if there are any Israel-Gaza protests coming up around Bristol? I haven't done anything but post about it thus far, and it's starting to bother me
No.585964
>>585963I think it's just London doing this, some cities for example Manchester organized bus transportation to the London Protest.
No.585966
>>585965Ah cool, thank you
No.585967
>>585963>Do you guys know if there are any Israel-Gaza protests coming up around Bristol? I haven't done anything but post about it thus far, and it's starting to bother meYes. They have been pretty regular, ignore the retard below you. The only bad thing is that Bristol PSC advertise everything mostly through facebook.
Hope to see you there anon. :)
No.585968
>>585965where did you find this anon? non-social media source?
I'm sick of having to rely on people maybe texting me as the only way to know about these things.
No.585969
>>585967>>Do you guys know if there are any Israel-Gaza protests coming up around Bristol? I haven't done anything but post about it thus far, and it's starting to bother me>Yes. They have been pretty regular, ignore the retard below you. The only bad thing is that Bristol PSC advertise everything mostly through facebook. >Hope to see you there anon. :)Ignore retard below…
Seriously? The biggest national demo is in London, hence the bussing which is correct, other local demonstrations are happening elsewhere too which is correct to? there's no contradiction, retard.
No.585970
>>585968search up PSC (Palestine Solidarity Campaign) in whatever city or location you live, there should be a chapter website which includes event dates & times.
No.585971
>>585969>I think it's just London doing thisAnon… probably every city in the country is having demos. why you going to tell the newbie anon they have to go all the way to london?
No.585972
>>585970>search up PSC (Palestine Solidarity Campaign) in whatever city or location you live, there should be a chapter website which includes event dates & times.Anon. they have only social media. that is exactly what i just told you.
No.585973
>>585971Ofcourse they don't, it would be too late anyway, but that was the knowledge I had at hand is what it is.
No.585974
>>585972PSC has social media profiles, with links to there website.
No.585975
>>585974I've told you two or three times they don't. Are you trolling me or genuinely mentally handicapped?
No.585976
>>585975>I've told you two or three times they don't. Are you trolling me or genuinely mentally handicapped?I was recommending first they browser search, PSC website and local branch, but since you just said this:
>Anon. they have only social media. that is exactly what i just told you.I recommended the social media solution with website links.
No.585977
>>585976Oh. you're baiting me. Kill yourself retard.
No.585979
Chav girls
No.585980
Was out earlier
Saw some dead-eyed guy with those things you put in your ear lobes at a stand which had written on it: "stop immigration. Stop the invasion."
Circle back round to the same place an hour later and he is street preaching about jesus and how we are all going to hell.
The type of guy to stay away from.
No.585981
>>585964>I think it's just London doing thisdon't spread shit if you don't know. There are major marches organised in pretty much every city in the country.
No.585983
>>585962Lovely that the media reported this as "clashes with police ahead of protests" in their headlines.
No.585984
Ah fuck he's back again
At least we might get a more pro-China foreign policy now… right?
No.585985
>>585980Near where I work there is always a preacher on this random street corner mumbling about how LGBT is a sin and I won't go to heaven. He literally stays there until like 9pm every weekend and I've never seen an ounce of positive attention towards him just people telling him to shut up. I know some punks who want to beat him up but like what good does that do he isn't convincing anyone.
No.585986
>>585985Jesus says that if you are scorned for his sake then you are blessed. Preachers want hatred against them. When i was a christian i wanted yp street preach and be hated too.
No.585987
>>585986Surely he will feel even better after being beaten up then right? Everyone wins.
No.585988
>>585987Probably
But be aware that the more he gets beat up the more he grows in his faith.
No.585989
>>585988True enough. I guess ignoring is the best response, like the Falun Gong people.
No.585990
>>585986Yeah I'm not advocating for it, there's a time and a place for anteehfa but its better he is just ignored
No.585991
>David "Pig Fucker" Cameron is back in the government
Fucking hell lmao
No.585992
>>585991Are they really that short on gormless cunts?
No.585993
who's coming back next? Tony Blair? once he's solved the Middle East crisis ?
No.585994
>>585993Don't even joke, anon. Lots of Labour mps would fucking love Blair to come back. I think he's probably making too much money in whatever corporate job he has now, but then, I thought the same thing about Cameron.
No.585995
I'm putting 20 quid on Gordon Brown showing his face again
No.585996
Where's the proofs that Starmer is a fed plant? I wanna show my friends
No.585997
Hearing rumours the police are "scared" about his weekend because they havent been able to shut down pro-Palestine protests last weeka nd they only seem to be getting bigger and more frequent. Bring everyone you can we might hit critical mass here.
No.585998
>>585997If that's the case then the EDL starting shit with the met could actually work in our favour. They don't want another cable street.
No.585999
>>585996>“The barrister refused to share his views on the Troubles or Irish reunification while representing Clegg, but he would reportedly take weekly trips to the Belfast garrison to play football with the troops.”
>“The Democratic Unionist MP Ian Paisley Jr, who worked closely with Starmer and the NIPB, praised his work. The QC, he said,gave us the tools and the arguments and the defence lines to allow us to say that the water cannon are necessary or plastic bullets are allowed. They are still permissible today, as shown in the riots of April 2021.”
>“Despite Starmer’s obstinacy, he was blindsided on 16 October 2012 when the then home secretary, Theresa May, made a sudden intervention in the Commons. ‘After careful consideration of all of the relevant material,’ she said, ‘I have concluded that Mr McKinnon’s extradition would give rise to such a high risk of him ending his life that a decision to extradite would be incompatible with Mr McKinnon’s human rights. I have therefore withdrawn the extradition order against Mr McKinnon.’ A CPS source told me that Starmer reacted to this development with fury, and immediately boarded a plane to Washington to meet with Holder’s deputies. He assured them that the CPS had no role in the Home Office decision, and pleaded that this episode should not jeopardize their future relationship. ”
>“There is little explanation for what has been described as the ‘irregular handling’ of the Assange case, other than the imperative to please Holder by facilitating the journalist’s extradition to the US via Sweden. Despite Starmer’s avowed commitment to greater CPS transparency, a number of sensitive files on the Assange case have either been destroyed or withheld from public view since he left office. Those that were released, thanks to tenacious Freedom of Information requests and court battles undertaken by the investigative journalist Stefania Maurizi, were heavily redacted, with crucial details blotted out.”
>“We know that he personally intervened in other cases which attracted significant public interest. Starmer met Holder in Washington just days after Assange’s extradition appeal was quashed, and had a private meeting with the MI5 director general, Sir Jonathan Evans, the same week the CPS rejected crucial FOI requests relating to the case. No.586000
>>585999Cheers. This country sucks.
No.586003
>>586002If you're going to study abroad for a year don't do London. In fact don't come to this country, all our cities are shitholes that aren't worth your time or money.
No.586004
Absolutely mental that they just 'found' another 100k+ people who entered the country last year.
No.586005
>>586002What are you talking about? LSE is a very good university. This is silly.
Don't study in London for a whole lot of reasons, but LSE is a very good school it's beyond retarded to pretend it's the 'british uchicago' or whatever.
No.586006
Any Organizations or Parties here that people would recommend to join?
No.586007
>>586002Come to Caerdydd and give money to the Cymraeg nation
No.586008
>>586006Join Palestine Action.
No.586009
i have to confront the fact that i've wasted my political life.
i've never cared for dealing with people, so i've never followed the correct political path: to grab a tendency and run with it as a function of my social life, winding up anywhere from a trendy theilbux socialist on twitter to a right-wing blairite on the shortlist for grimsby after graduating from the NUS, to helping some perfectly nice no-hopers in their 5 member party try to take a seat on the council, or just showing up to every march going and sticking up posters for some yet-smaller org. the appeal here isn't the career advancement - it's that each of these things would've created for me a social life. an identity.
no, idiot that i am i've taken ideas seriously, and what has it taught me? what have i learned from looking at everything from every angle i can think of? only that this was very, very stupid. only that i would've had a much more fulfilling life if i'd decided at 16 i was an anarchist because i want things to be better but don't like being told what to do, and then i bounced around from pub to pub taking that line with other people. christ, if i'd hopped on fbi.gov and joined the furry communist fbi.gov i'd have got more good out of it.
i don't even get a tendency, i can't even be one of the people who sit at home playing that heart's of iron mod going oohh, look, my guy is winning in Bolivia. i don't have a guy. i've got a mental popular front of whatever is better than the status quo because i'm not a person, i wasted all the time i should've spent with other people on ideas, and ideas can always be taken seriously on their own terms. If I can call myself a communist confidently, it's only because i'm confident the term signals little and means nothing.
but you can't go back. that's the one thing an idea can't do - fuck off. it's impossible to sit back and relax because someone, somewhere will always be saying something wrong. god forbid, someone might even seem like they'd be interested in one of the horrible little facts or random notions picked up 6 years ago in the depths of figuring out whether it was more intellectually interesting to justify Corbyn in neoliberal, keynesian, socialist or communist terms. it doesn't matter now, of course. i can tell you why we're fucked in the same manner, but you know who can do that while also making tolerable company? oh, that's right, anyone. even the pseuds make better pseuds!
there's scarcely a political stereotype i don't envy. not because of what they know, but because of what they don't know. i don't know everything, but i know enough to know when to quit. shame it was about a decade ago.
No.586010
>>1687203
imagine if your thoughts were just a never ending stream of that.
No.586011
Just marched with the PSC in Cardiff. I wasn't there to take part, but I heard the chants and went over to see what was going on anyway. First flag I saw was a ham-sic, and I saw the Unite and Neu banners too, which was cool. I'm glad that the unions are showing solidarity as well.
That was the first protest I've ever taken part in, too. I'm this anon, btw>>1675295
No.586012
>>586009Why not just critically support things that are good. If you want to get out of the house then go to Food not Bombs. No it won't change the world but at least it will help a few people, you don't need to be an anarchist to do it either. Don't worry so much about grand narratives, you can only do what you can do in your own personal life.
No.586013
This country's so boring
No.586015
New radlib labour splinter party has dropped
https://transformpolitics.uk/about/ No.586016
>>586015According to their r*ddit they have over 6,000 supporters and have raised £12k. I despair.
No.586018
>>586015>no party constitution>no policies other than vague pledges>not a single name on the website>no social media presence>promotional video is all stock footage >"registered office" address is a gay bookshop in LondonUnquestionably a grift of some sort.
No.586020
>>586019Tommy robinson is notoriously a crypto-jew, which is why he hates muslims so much, so all his politocs ultimately just become zionism
No.586022
>>586018Well there needs to be a looney lefty party for the MSM rail against and Labour has visibly and proudly purged all left-wingers from its ranks.
No.586023
>>586021British jews are overwhelmingly zionists. The amount of anti-zionist jews in this country is honestly negligible.
No.586024
Anyone seen this:
https://nitter.privacydev.net/BrownNaila/status/1728734086154375227<Police arrested members of @CPGBML yesterday for having an anti-Zionist pamphlet on the stall. They remain detained. Their homes were raided around 3am, laptops, phones, pamphlet & books were takenThey are out again now under some conditions such as: "Not to sell or hand out any literature during any rally or procession". (I suppose
films don't count under that…)
No.586025
>>586024>While we are still not sure of the exact charge, video footage of their arrest makes it clear that the excuse used was ‘incitement to racial hatred’, based on the cover design of our party’s pamphlet on zionism.Interesting.
No.586027
>>586026Neo-nazis could say the same about the swastika just being a Hindu symbol tbf
No.586029
>>586024Jesus christ. Since when did this country start taking political prisoners.
No.586031
>>586030The first is so old it's antiquated and the last two are war acts.
These are people who have been imprisoned during peace-time, under tolerance laws. Completely different things.
No.586032
>>586029Not recently.
There is currently an anarchist in UK prison for administrating an anarchist blog.
No.586033
>>586031My point was that this kind of thing isn't unprecedented and the government definitely has the power to do it.
>under tolerance lawsImpossible. Those laws only target right-wingers.
>>586032Do you have a link to a news article about that?
No.586034
>>586032>There is currently an anarchist in UK prison for administrating an anarchist blog.I don't even need to guess that the charges include acess to unauthorized materials such as bomb making instructions.
>>586033You can't claim continuity with that precedent.
>Impossible. Those laws only target right-wingers. Please tell me you're being ironic.
No.586035
>>586034>You can't claim continuity with that precedentThere is continuity though. Any time the political establishment feels threatened it implements these regulations on personal freedoms. Always under the justification of protecting societal cohesion or national security.
>Please tell me you're being ironic.I am lol. I have been saying ITT for years that such laws will inevitably be used against communists but nobody ever listened ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
No.586036
>>586035>There is continuity though. Any time the political establishment feels threatened it implements these regulations on personal freedoms. Always under the justification of protecting societal cohesion or national security. Again those previously cited were made under explicit self-defence acts.
This new example is indicative of, and not the result of, a movement in history towards a new political order, unlike those of 1914 and 17.
No.586037
>>586036A non-war related example I forgot to mention was the Public Order Act 1936. Used against the BUF most famously but also employed during the miner's strike against picketers.
>This new example is indicative of, and not the result of, a movement in history towards a new political order, unlike those of 1914 and 17.In my opinion this is just the old political order desperately trying to maintain the status quo and keep the peace.
No.586038
>>586035>I have been saying ITT for years that such laws will inevitably be used against communistsThe problem with such a critique is that it shoots too low and winds up imagining that communists should (indeed, could!) oppose them on the ground that they could be used against the left, rather than grasping that the state will do what it will to the left without regard for the law. It winds up conceding a liberal-legalist framework which is pretty ill fitted to the facts on the ground.
The contortions now applied to anti-discrimination legislation in an attempt to make anti-Zionism into antisemitism are just part of a wider phenomenon of those in power capturing liberal-ish institutions and bending them to their will. See also, for example, the Equalities and Human Rights Commission getting stuffed with racists and transphobes. It runs contrary to the legal and nominal intent of the institution, but power doesn't really care about the law. Power is a law unto itself.
No.586039
>>586033>Do you have a link to a news article about that?>>586034>I don't even need to guess that the charges include acess to unauthorized materials such as bomb making instructions. https://libcom.org/article/imprisoned-anarchist-toby-shone-fights-new-legal-battle-against-uk-statehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-56038310They did drop the 'terror' charges eventually but the case is still being handled by terror police (i think), who have also just moved him away from his support base:
https://anarchistnews.org/content/update-toby-shone No.586040
>>586039>He is also charged with three counts of possession of a class A drug and one charge of possession of a class B drug.typical anarchist…
No.586041
>>586040>typical anarchist…Weed and mushrooms is more tame than your average normie, anon.
No.586042
>>586041I was joking but forgot to include a joke. I should've said "wouldn't get that with the CPGB-ML" or something.
No.586043
>>586038I'll respond to this tomorrow evening anon, going to sleep now.
>>586039Thanks for the link black flag.
No.586044
Quick reminder that the cpb not only takes the israeli account of 7/10 but has repeatedly affirmed that "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic in resolutions
No.586045
>>586044I do believe they will do such a thing but imma need some proofs.
No.586046
>>586045Same here, had a quick search and found News or Statements on the CPB supporting Palestine.
No.586047
>stumble across a typical ‘anti-woke’ leftist with a blue checkmark
>entire TL is just whining about immigration and diversity blah blah blah
>no mention of Palestine or even whining about the discourse surrounding it at all
I don’t know whether to be insulted or surprised at how predictable these people are. Like he is gripping about Ireland’s riots while never mentioning Irish solidarity with Palestine.
No.586049
>>586048The British Museum should stop displaying looted artifacts from the whole world over and start showing actual British heritage-i.e Sex Pistols Vinyl, film reel of Trainspotting and wax dolls of football hooligans
No.586050
>>586049>The British Museum should stop displaying looted artifactsFor the most part they don't, they sit in warehouses without anyone looking at them for decades and then only for cataloging reasons.
No.586051
>>586047Its the same tendency all over the world. The moment a second world or third world country becomes prosperous they immediately forget all that shit about solidarity with the oppressed and instead become so obnoxiously racist just to be accepted in the "Big Boys Club" of America and its cronies.
No.586052
>>586047>stumble across a typical ‘anti-woke’That was your first mistake.
I might honestly have more respect for far-righters than "anti-wokes" because at least the former doesnt want pure endless stagnation from existence. "anti-wokeism" is a puddle of stagnant water by definition.
No.586053
>>586048Remainchads stay winning.
No.586054
>>586042>I was joking but forgot to include a joke. I should've said "wouldn't get that with the CPGB-ML" or something.It's okay anon I laughed anyway just to make you feel better. :)
>>586043>Thanks for the link black flag.NP. I highly recommend people sending a letter with the emailaprisoner system.
As well as it being important to show solidarity to prisoners it is also important to show the state that we do not forget our prisoners and prisoners of increasing political repressions, also:
UK: Call For An International Anti-Repression Gathering. March 29th-31st, 2024 - BrightonIn the face of escalated attacks against workers, young people, migrants and the living conditions of prisoners, we call for an encounter to learn how we can combine our struggle and understand how to advance our fight for a world without police, prisons and borders.
In the UK as elsewhere, murderous police kill with impunity whilst politicians make way for a vast prison building program that will affect the poorest and most marginalised parts of society. Anarchists, activists and environmentalists are targetted as “extremists” and “terrorists” with special police teams designed to infiltrate and dismantle their campaigns and organisations.
Our communities are increasingly turned into open prisons, “a prison society”, through new technologies of social control. It’s time to stop wringing our hands and instead get organised. What do we have in common and can we build a common platform of action and discussion that helps us build a better world.
The event will take place over a weekend of Friday March 29th to Sunday 31st, 2024. If you wish to participate contact ABC Brighton at
[email protected]—
Subjects to be covered include:
Operation Adream
Kill The Bill (Bristol) cases
Police Brutality
Deaths in Custody
Migration Detention
Work of IWOC
Participating Group Presentations
Text / Recordings from Prisoners
We also hope to have a set-up to allow virtual contributions too.
No.586056
>>586053I thought they lost
No.586058
>>586047Which one lmao
>>586055>BRIITTISH TO TOE BE MIIORRIITYBased if true
T. Brit
No.586059
>>586038>The problem with such a critique is that it shoots too low and winds up imagining that communists should (indeed, could!) oppose them on the ground that they could be used against the left, rather than grasping that the state will do what it will to the left without regard for the law.Basic political rights such as freedom of speech are something that are very real and as radicals we should always support unequivocally, or risk losing them. For instance this kind of thing simply wouldn't happen in America because the yanks actually care about these political rights and have a strong distrust of national government. We could learn a lot from them.
>It winds up conceding a liberal-legalist framework which is pretty ill fitted to the facts on the ground.What facts are these?
>The contortions now applied to anti-discrimination legislation in an attempt to make anti-Zionism into antisemitism are just part of a wider phenomenon of those in power capturing liberal-ish institutions and bending them to their will.These laws were created by establishment Blairites, Tories, MI5 and a certain sect of moronic leftists. To these people a communist and a fascist are both seen as equally bad.
There are no contortions. The legislation is working exactly as intended, by restricting political opposition and controlling the acceptable narrative around certain sensitive topics.
>See also, for example, the Equalities and Human Rights Commission getting stuffed with racists and transphobesI highly doubt this is the case.
No.586060
Life has become so bleak bros.
Daily I think about committing a crime simply to go to prison to take away the burden of having to live. I've read cases of prisoners who essentially do the same because they cannot cope with life outside, and I feel I've reached that point.
No.586062
>>586059In what sense is the right to freedom of speech real? Because the law says it's real, or because it's practical to excercise? If the former, Britain has never really had free speech codified in law - this isn't the United States. If the latter, it only ever exists so long as the speech isn't particularly threatening or offensive to those in power. The decision on who gets to say what, when, and to whom is outsourced to private media channels and the state will not enforce your right to air time in the name of making your free expression meaningful. The American government tinkers at the edges less not because it is more free, but because it is more powerful and more dispersed.
>What facts are these? That powerful institutions will always do as they will with fairly token regard for the law. This is true at every level from the cop beating up a protestor on the street to wars of aggression. That occasionally someone gets in trouble can't cover up for all the cases where someone doesn't. Law is a fig-leaf, a guideline for bureaucrats, and a way of settling contractual pissing fights with lawyer-judo, nothing more. In a battle between what has to be done and what's strictly legal, necessity will win every time.
It doesn't take legislation to control the narrative around sensitive topics: That's what the press are for. A lot of the time the press are actively covering the arses of those who're acting contrary to their legal obligations. A communist and a fascist are not seen as equally bad - A communist is usually a clown, occasionally a dangerous clown. A dangerous clown occasionally happens to be a fascist, but more often a fascist is simply "voicing legitimate concerns that we've got to take seriously", and ever so often they're an actual cabinet minister…
>I highly doubt this is the case.And yet they're the weird incel in the corner at all the United Nations human-rights parties:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck7p88zx2z2o No.586063
>>586060>Daily I think about committing a crime simply to go to prison to take away the burden of having to live. I've read cases of prisoners who essentially do the same because they cannot cope with life outside, and I feel I've reached that point.Don't do it anon prisons in the UK are worse than they have been at any point, overcroweded, understaffed, record high suicides and so on.
You will be on 22-24 hour locked in a cell all days, more often than not not having the staff to unlock and etc etc. Work and Education is not happening at all in prisons also.
Not worth it. Go somewhere else to get nicked is your best bet.
No.586064
>>586056no shame in being a Cassandra
No.586065
>>586064I thought the hysterical predictions had to come true for that analogy to work
No.586066
>>586055>from conservative societiesisn't that what the reactoids want though?
No.586069
>>586067The state-sponsored project fear propaganda predicted that by now the country would look like the wasteland from Mad Max. It doesn't.
Since 2016 it has become clear that Europe is a sinking ship. Why would we want to tie ourselves to such a disaster?
No.586070
>>586069> the country would look like the wasteland from Mad MaxWhere does it say that? Plus you are shifting the goalposts by being hyperbolic. Did UK ended up worse off after Brexit?
No.586071
>>586070>Where does it say that?Do you not remember the claims that the UK would run out of food, fuel and drinking water immediately after Brexit?
>Did UK ended up worse off after Brexit?We are currently better off than we would be if we had remained inside the EU. The Netherlands just voted for a party which wants a Nexit referendum, that tells you all you need to know.
No.586072
>>586071The Netherlands voted for this party because they hate the shit of brown people. They don't want out of EU
No.586073
>>586072Support for Nexit has always polled higher than the proportion of votes the PVV got in the election though. I think we will see more EU countries having similar referendums in the future, Hungary and France to name two.
No.586074
>>586071>Do you not remember the claims that the UK would run out of food, fuel and drinking water immediately after Brexit? They certainly weren't in that leaflet m8. Obviously having it distributed to every house was state sponsored propaganda (and pretty fucking clumsy at that - a direct ctrl+c ctrl+v of what they did in 1975 but with more boring graphic design), but the actual propaganda in it is fairly measured and true: leaving the EU did cause economic uncertainty, it did risk (let's not have a pissing contest about whether it
caused, but it certainly
risked) higher food prices, more annoying movement between the EU and the UK, and the value of the pound. (not that a high pound is an unalloyed good)
what nobody wants to accept is that the brexit referendum was a contest of cunts versus cunts. you're supposed to laugh that the thing that wasn't supposed to happen happened, that the 2017 election resulted, and then forget that ultimately no good came of it because the levers of institutional and state power consistently remained in the hands of the bourgeoisie.
No.586075
Brexiteers still can't get over the fact that they were wrong and the remoaners were right. Cry about it.
No.586076
>>586071>claims that the UK would run out of food, fuel and drinking water immediately after Brexit? Where is this claim? And do you really want to play this game of claiming things would happen that didn’t?
NHS bus No.586077
>>586076 (me)
Fwiw I think Lexit is probably right, EU is shit but voting for Brexit in 2016 was not a good idea. Especially with hindsight.
No.586078
>british socilaists are now unironically supporting EU membership
the absolute state.
No.586079
>>586078Leavers continuing the proud tradition of refusing to understand their opponents
No.586080
>>586078British socialists can neither support nor oppose anything because they are an impotent force. Ideas floating around in the aether change nothing. British socialists could support an asteroid wiping out humanity or reincarnating Hitler to destroy Europe again and it'd have no effect! EU membership or non-membership is effectively irrelevant (do
you feel any better off? do
you see this country as less doomed than in 2015?) and the referendum itself was tedious and unengaging. Both sides offered a different flavour of deference to international capital. "Would you rather be London, or Singapore?"
I'd rather be dead. No.586081
>>586080>British socialists could support an asteroid wiping out humanity or reincarnating Hitler to destroy Europe again and it'd have no effect!Well to be fair that wouldn't have an effect no matter who supported it lol.
No.586082
>>586079It's not Brexit's fault that food prices shot up it's the fact that Europe and Britain together sanctioned Russian and Belarusian fertilizers and threw on a million carbon taxes thereby jacking up the cost of production for farmers drastically but you won't ever expect some retarded The Guardian reader pointing this out.
As a Lexiter I actually looked at British-EU trade stats before taking a position on the issue and do you know what Britain's largest export to the EU was? FUCKING FINANCIAL SERVICES. So even if you believe Britain was better off in the EU (an impossible case to make if you look at the trade stats) the EU was WORSE OFF with Britain in it.
No.586083
>>586082So now that EU is gone, are farmers producing more?
No.586084
>>586083WTF do you mean the EU is "gone"? The EU still exists and its retarded carbon taxes still exist and its retarded sanctions on Russian and Belarusian produce and fertilizers which if lifted would overnight kill all food inflation still exists.
No.586085
>>586084>>586084Oh wait, my mistake. I misread your post. I didn’t know you were admitting that Brexit didn’t stop European influence on UK’s economy.
No.586086
>>586085>Moving the goalposts this hardYou like playing semantic word games because every pro-EU argument was either false or totally misleading. No Lexiter argued that Britain leaving would totally destroy the EU, just that Britain being out was better than being in. Which is true.
No.586087
>>586086You haven’t explained how leaving it has been better off for the UK. Even you admit that uk is under the effect of European actions.
I don’t even disagree that leaving the EU could benefit UK in the long term, but it is delusional to say that there are no downside on the short term.
No.586089
>>586088guess he and the realm of the living weren't #BetterTogether
No.586090
Marxism has no lessons, insights or policy proposals for this dying schizophrenic country. EU membership, Scottish independence, there are no coherent marxist positions either way on any of these things. At least a country like the US is an imperial hegemon with it's policy directly impacting the course of the world economy, Britain is just a parasite, withering away no matter what policies or decisions are enacted. The only marxist position in regards to Britain and anything related to it is for it die already, just finally collapse.
Gott Strafe England.
No.586091
>>586090Go back to the china thread
No.586093
The "Israel should stay within international law" line that Labour keep saying but then refusing to comment if they have done so far is getting more and more absurd each time they do it. The election isn't long away, a respect type party could clean these cunts out in majority muslim seats.
No.586094
>>586090>EU membership, Scottish independence, there are no coherent marxist positions either way Yeah there are
Oppose
Oppose
No.586096
>>586088>Alistair darling is dead lmaoBased.
Shame about Shane Macgowan though.
No.586097
>>586094as Marx once said: workers of the world unite, you have nothing to gain but the status quo!
No.586098
>>586093Will be genuinely surprised if Labour clinches any clear margin for victory. The electorate have shown time and time again over the past thirteen years that the majority interest lies in a Tory nation that benefits homeowners.
No.586099
>>586097EU membership was the status quo though
No.586100
>>586095Bongland has got to be the silliest country I've seen in my life. Like bust the guys door sown or don't.
>Oi I got a warrant to climb down through your chimney mate! No.586102
>>585794CHAT GPT, write me a TESCO BUDGET version of a Tory speech!
No.586103
>>586101>AmazinglyNot really.
No.586106
>>586105it is orge. 2019 was the last chance things could have been better.
No.586107
>>586106Corbyn getting mullered shows how terminally classcucked this shithole is.
No.586108
>>586107The worst part is people will try to explain away or justify what happened just so they can cry about things getting worse.
At some point of time, you have to acknowledge the working class's complicity in fucking themselves over.
No.586109
>>586108I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen a surge in reform UK
No.586110
>>586109The media and political commentators doesn't need to. Why bother? There isn't any real threat to the status quo now that Corbyn is out of the picture. Stramer winning won't change anything so they don't to puff up Reform.
No.586111
>>586109Reform aren't really that right-wing.
No.586112
>>586047>>586052The only thing anti-woke people want is an endless drip of action movie slop, women being portrayed as solely sex objects (including the ones that kick ass) who pine over the mediocre audience proxy, minorities that are cannon fodder (Unlike the pasty white but not too white) MC, and cheap draft beer.
No.586113
>>586112That sounds like someone you have made up in your head to get mad at.
No.586115
>>586108Good podcast on the topic of self-exploitation:
https://bungacast.com/2022/03/08/246-why-isnt-there-revolution-ft-vivek-chibber/I hate this shit hole so much. I can't explain how much I despise this country. Without qualifications you are simply a slave. I've worked in care, I've worked in retail, I've worked in kitchens for a hotel chain and a small business. You will never have weekends off, you will be expected to take on overtime, you must wake up at ungodly hours, you will never have the free time to pursue your hobbies, your CV will be binned for jobs with any degree of comfort, you must work at least 60 hours a week to remain employed, you will never earn more than 17k a year.
Generations before you owned homes working such jobs? Not you.
Retirement age bumped up to 70? I'll work 'till I die.
Renting a room? 2 references required, a deposit and two payments upfront (your rent will cover the landlord's mortgage)
The absolute irony is that I've complained about this before to a family member who makes 10k above the national average and been told to shut up. By someone who once claimed to be a socialist. That was until they bought their first home.
This nation rests like a glacier on a sea of what is effectively serf labour.
No.586116
>>586115Essentially, there are some industries you need to avoid if you want to earn anything approaching decent money. Anything people-focussed is the main area to avoid, with the exception of being a doctor (but that's bloody hard work and still undervalued). Engineering of some description, being an electrician (electritioning?) or plumber, or any other skilled practical job can earn you alright money, and above that, finance and managerial positions in pretty much any sector. I carry on working in the shit sectors because I like the work, I'm alright at it, and I'd literally kill myself if I had to work a job I hated and was bad at (plus, fuck the status quo). Plus I can't really be bothered to retrain. I'm thinking of doing a masters and trying to get a teaching position in my field at further/higher education level.
No.586117
>>586116 (me)
>>586115Everything else is true though, I'd move right out of this country if I could. Not really anywhere to go though. I've relatives in Central Europe, but their country is even worse than Britain in some regards. Maybe the Republic of Ireland? How's their economy doing these days?
No.586118
>>586116>Anything people-focussed is the main area to avoidBritain really does have a horrific anti-social culture, do you all really hate your grandparents so much that the people who take care of them have to be burned out slaves?
No.586119
>>586118>Britain really does have a horrific anti-social culturecorrect, pic rel
>do you all really hate your grandparents so much that the people who take care of them have to be burned out slaves?Some people do, obviously, but a big part of it is that care jobs just don't pay enough for people to want to do them. It's individualism. In previous decades, you'd move out at 18, get married, and your parents would probably die before they got altzheimers so you didn't really need to worry about them all that much. If they didn't, all their care would be managed by the state.
<Who's going to actually look after them? Not me! I have a job and kids and stuff. I'll let someone else do it.That kind of mentality ensured that care jobs were a bottom-of-the-barrel type deal, 0 qualifications required, fit only for poor people and immigrants. Quick side note: One of my teachers at school many years ago (maybe around 2010), a hippy-type guy with white man dreads, once told us that immigration is good because "they do all the jobs we don't want to do".
Of course, now we have a rapidly-ageing population and the demand for elderly care has skyrocketed, just in time for Brexit and the crackdown on immigration. I realised the other day that one possible (horrible) way to relieve the burden on the government would be to allow euthanasia for elderly people, so I expect the government will start having conversations about that soon enough. One thing's for sure, though: I really hope I die before I become elderly, because I know what's coming, and it won't be fun.
No.586120
>>586119Canada already does assisted suicide for people with either terminal or deep seated mental illness and poverty, the issue there is you still need workers which every sector in the UK is short on despite immigration INCREASING since Brexit. You may as well just hand out mixed fentanyl and Xanax bags to whoever wants them.
No.586121
>>586120>Assisted suicide for mental illness and povertyreal shit? Jesus Christ, that's bleak
>You may as well just hand out mixed fentanyl and Xanax bags to whoever wants them.That would go down a treat in most trendy student towns tbf.
What does it mean if there aren't enough people despite immigration being high? Because I don't think we're going to see another population explosion anytime soon.
No.586122
>>586121Most working sectors in the UK have staffing shortages despite raw numbers in immigration going up
No.586123
>>586122I got that, but what happens next? Will productivity just continue to go down until… something else happens?
No.586124
>>586123The "something else" is 90s Russia style quality of life conditions for Brits
No.586125
>>586120>You may as well just hand out mixed fentanyl and Xanax bags to whoever wants them.I fucking wish. UK has always tightly controlled pharma opiates and street heroin will not get you high these days let alone kill you. Not even easy and plentiful diazapam on these islands anymore.. Worthless place I hate it.
>>586124Alreadyu has been in free fall since 2008 but yes, probably just further and further stagnation with attempts to use nationalism and heavy internal policing to prop it up.
Fuck i need to leafe this place. No.586127
>>586126It's all a little silly yes but it is just twitter stuff not anything normal people in the country are talking about I think.
No.586130
>>586095How dense do you have to be to actually get done for TV licence lmao.
No.586132
>>586130Just keep your windows closed and they won't be able to get in.
No.586135
>>586134They should already be calling for a mass strike to demand the UK stop its participation in genocide
No.586137
>>586135global strike for Palestine today.
No.586138
>>586134I wish my trade union congress is so based as yours.
No.586139
In this country right now, what is to be done for the communist movement? what are people's thoughts on a united party or coalition, or whatever method of organizing?
What do we do? what should happen?
No.586140
>>586139Read theory, educate and organise online, create anti-labour propaganda, push for a new revolutionary party
No.586142
Just letting anyone in Wales know, I'm organizing a Maoist group in Cardiff and we'll be having our first meeting this Saturday the 16th at 3pm. We'll be meeting on Park Place outside the university, since its the only place I can book a room. I've written a short piece of writing to justify the group's existence and call for the formation of a party. Also I don't think many people are going to turn up. If you're interested send me an e-mail at
[email protected] No.586143
>>586142What does welsh maoism look like i wonder?
I am anglo keynesian btw 😈🇬🇧
No.586144
>>586143Same as any Maoism. Just in Wales because I live there.
No.586145
>>586142Why not Welsh underground?
No.586147
>>586141this is why i believe everyone should be punched at least once in their lives
No.586148
>>586141These pensioners clearly don't respect our values or our culture, it is a danger to our democracy that they have such an easy vote.
No.586149
>>586139The only thing possible in this godforsaken country is to take seats from labour or at least punish them with losing their seat by fielding pro palestine candidates.
No.586151
Was travelling from Euston to Manchester yesterday and it was honestly the worst I've ever seen, the departure board was completely empty when I arrived with no information about what trains were cancelled and which were delayed, trains that were leaving would flash up on the departure board like 10 minutes before departure and in the end it was a miracle I got home because the departure for my particular train was never announced and actually the intercom claimed there were no trains departing from the platform.
The only way I knew a train to Manchester even existed is because I followed a crowd heading to a platform that by chance had a single worker shouting that the train was going to Manchester after all, once on the train I heard loads of people mentioning that they'd only discovered this train the same way I did, if anyone stayed on the concourse after listening to the announcements then apparently they've been wilfully left behind.
That's honestly gotta be beyond the limit, where not only are there cancellations but now they are just fucking leaving travellers without information or even giving them disinformation is just catastrophically unprofessional. I always suffer delays and cancellations when travelling out of Euston but never the complete absence of information I saw yesterday.
No.586152
>>586151Transport in this country is fucking horrible
I dont know why they have bus timetables if theyre NEVER on time. I dont know what the hold up could be.
No.586153
>>586150Christ I hate the fucking DefundTheBBC crowd
No.586156
>>586155tbf the Crown can't handle more recent events without the benefit of crystal clear hindsight.
No.586157
>>586153Nah. The BBC needs privatising. If anyone committed to doing this I would probably vote for them.
No.586158
>>586157The BBC is shit but the people who want to get rid of it are also right wing cranks, it's a lose lose like everything else in this country
No.586159
>>586155For the first 20 seconds I thought it was some gay homage to Lizzy because she died during production. I don't think I've ever gone from complete apathy to bewildered amusement so fast.
No.586160
>>586158>the people who want to get rid of it are also right wing cranksI find myself more often in agreement with right wing cranks than libshit establishment pedos, especially when the latter are robbing me of £160 a year in this case.
I don't actually pay the licence fee but let's for the sake of argument pretend I do. No.586161
>>586158Aye, I care little for the BBC, but fucking hell, every time I see that stupid ass hashtag, it's fucking rightoids complaining about "wokeness" or bitching that the BBC is leftist, kinda makes me want it to still be around just to spite them lmao
I will say this though, I'm willing to bet that the people who actually run the DefundTheBBC campaign don't actually want it to happen because if they do succeed, they won't be getting any more money from rightoids lmao
No.586163
>>586161As always, the reactionary critique is a paranoid fantasy which conceals within it the truth.
The obsession with racial equality in media representation is a transplant of the US liberal political circuit where race relations have deteriorated due to the nation's legacy on the issue, such that race itself has become fetishized as a metric for progress.
The fixation on race is just a symptom of the ideological concealment of wider class issues that are faced by those living in poverty. For anybody who is aware of this, it's the distinguishing divide between someone with a left liberal politics and someone with a left socialist politics.
What the right wing criticsm taps into is the almost alien origin of this invective, to substiute characters based on the colour of their skin whereby bourgeois liberals simulatenously deny and affirm race as a substantive issue on which only they may claim ground, as coming from an elite which is out of touch with the nation.
This isn't even contending with the reality of immigration as a depressant for wages, which forms part of the backdrop of the class struggle. Thus the enlightened student activist who engages with vague ultra-liberal narratives of pro-immigrant reform is cut from the same cloth as the hardened racist. Such that you have an overlap between the positions of Labour and the Conservatives.
No.586164
>>586163Based and all true.
No.586167
>>586166What about the IMT? They are getting quiet popular in the UK
No.586168
>>586167What'd that be round here, Socialist Appeal?
No.586169
>>586168>>586167Lmao do not join the IMT. I have only heard negative things about it here and in real life. I know from personal experience that no other communist party or even anarchist group wants to work with them, at least in Canada.
No.586170
>>586166Form a Maoist org and get in touch; I posted my e-mail earlier. Read Ajith.
No.586172
>>586171The worst suicide bomber ever
No.586173
>>586171what a load of shit
No.586174
>>586166>>586167>>586168>>586169UK IMT is about to rebrand as The Revolutionary Communist Party, I know some and theya re an alright lot BUT unless you are specifically pro-Soviet but anti-Stalin there is no reason to join RCP over the CPB; at its fundamentally the CPB and YCL are far better organised and able to get people together for shit. Not a member,( disagree with them far too much on history and policy). Do NOT join any other organisations that are trotskyist or "communist". SWP and FRFI are rape cults, and everyone else is a joke or irrelevant. FWIW if you are very pro-Woman Life Freedom then SAlt is very active in those circles for whatever reason, and if you want to focus on trade union organising rs21/Counterfire are good (with rs21 being involved in Palestine stuff too) but they are irrelevant overall.
As for orgs in brum, not explicitly communist or even socialist but the Youth Front for Palestine are doing some incredible work fighting for Palestinian liberation. Overall I would focus more on campaigns than A PARTY. There is a lot of good stuff for trade unions, Palestine, housing rights, and environmentalism going on that is non-party. I dunno if Brum has a tenants' union (that isn't ACORN) but reach out to both of them if they exist.
No.586175
>>586167Socialist Appeal/Revolutionary Communist Party have about the same membership as the Communist Party of Britain, and at this point are basically trying to deliberately ape their style.
No.586177
>>586174Thanks for the detailed reply mate.
Honestly I'd just do union stuff but my line of work isn't very adjacent to it.
Fuck it let's go CPB.
No.586178
>>586176I get you, thing is IMT in the UK isn't just another trot org, it has a specific history: it was the branch of Militant that stayed in Labour (only to be kicked out a couple of years ago). It once had a place of being the Marxists within Labour but now, well it is just trying to be a Leninist party in an already crowded field. picrels are the logos of various existing communist parties that arent RCP or CPB.
>>586177Fair enough. DO look into y.f.f.p. though, they are only just setting up in Birmingham but their work in Manchester has been stellar.
Also the mainstream branch of CPB is pretty meh its YCL that is able to do anything
No.586179
>>586176In my town there's a bunch of posters with Marx on them saying 'are you a communist… Then get organised!' and if I wasn't too lazy and depressed that's the party I would join, I don't even know what tendency they are but at least they're doing something
No.586180
>>586179That's IMT/Socialist Appeal/Revolutionary Communist Party.
No.586181
>>586180RCP makes me think of Bob Avakian haha
No.586182
>>586179what they are doing is taking revolutionary energy and channeling it into a feckless group that has no goals and spends its time debating motions of solidarity and doing just enough town centre stalls to get a newspaper going.
That goes for all the trot/rev com groups out there. What actual wins do they have?
No.586183
>>586174Why do so many logical communists have this fetish for turning their org into a "communist party" especially since to really consider yourself a "workers party" you need a lot more % of the vote
I am not talking about ml sects here
No.586184
So, Brianna Ghey was not killed in an anti trans attack.
As horrible as it is and as it is true that their gender identity was some factor I feel fairly vindicated that the freaks and twitter types screaming that this was some kind of anti trans hate murder reminiscent of the murders of gays in the past was nothing but irresponsible fear mongering..
Bit late now though the narrative already spread, this kind of shit is just sad because all it serves to do outside of increase the social media profile of those that spread it is further marginalise non gender performing working class people who reside in this country…
Completely vile - I truly hate the British media ecosystem with a passion.
No.586185
>>586184Wait wait wait wait, a queer transgender person named… Ghey?
God is a really shitty writer sometimes, goddamn, I mean I don't blame him with billions to write for but sometimes this shit is just lazy, that's like naming a black man Nicholas Kerr.
No.586186
>>586171<A disabled man who swallowed poison in a jobcentre in an attempt to take his own life, after becoming “overwhelmed” by the harmful actions of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), has pleaded guilty to possessing a chemical weaponThis story about sums up post-2008 Britain more than any anti austerity treatise ever has.
No.586187
>>586178Why does the left always fall to factionalism..
>>586183Because they fall for the vanguard party meme by Lenin?
No.586190
>>586189fucking hell, this country is so fucked
No.586191
>>586188<t. Didn't follow the case or read the post past first line.Moron. Read more. Reson the left Is shit is ppl like you.
>>586189I think it would have been a dangerous route to go down if they tried the case this way as people wanted and would have probably let to worse outcomes.
No.586192
>>586184whatever helps you sleep at night
No.586193
>>586191dangerous how? you think they would have somehow got off if that were included?
No.586194
>>1709358
model kiwifarms members
No.586195
>>586193Come to think of it that might specifically be why they didn't try it as a hate crime
No.586196
>>586195or maybe because the establishment fucking hate trans people and want to pretend their slaughter isn't real
No.586197
>>586196Madness. Don't know a single person in the UK who thinks like this either, be it borne here or migrated here.
Sure the tories are trying to push anti trans and queer idpol downstream of the USA but you have to be nothing but a dooming shut-in freak or a fed to believe the spin has landed in the fucking slightest.
No.586198
>>586196I didn't know until this case but it's apparently possible to get a mistrial in the UK if there's too much "speculation" on online social media posts. That's what the complaining about the tweet was probably about and the court would've wanted to act excessively conservative in the case to avoid a mistrial.
No.586199
>>586187>Why does the left always fall to factionalism..The britcucks always fall back on their natural imperialist and bourgeois tendencies, this explains why the britcucks are doomed to their inherent bourgeois trade unionism. Any attempt to go beyond trade unionism is ineffectual because the british are naturally cucked, due to their "environment" and such
All of the splits are from the britcucks naturally yearning to devolve from revolutionary scientific socialism down to economist menshevist trade unionist bourgeois worker politic, because it is their nature. All of these universal problems have their roots from britain
No.586201
>>586200I am british, just like you
No.586202
>>586197>Don't know a single person in the UK who thinks like this either, be it borne here or migrated here.Trans person*
That's the important part, sorry.
No.586203
>>586199Aha, I wrote that, Im not British tho, Im worse, Im scandi.
No.586205
>>586204It's kind of plausible, but the thing about avoiding a mistrial seems more plausible.
No.586207
>>586196You can go through Marx's On The Jewish Question and replace references to 'jews' with 'transgender' and the same argument still holds up:
the movement for sexual liberation, including the trans movement, now simply stands for the ascension of legal recongition under the liberal state in order to be granted the same rights as the ideal bourgeois citizen. The sexual politics of the 60s and the 70s which stood side by side with its already waning socialist counterparts have all but disappeared, replaced by a universalist bourgeois state with which the rights of transgender people, like those of the jews in the 19th century, are to be covalent.
These are even the stated aims of transgender activist groups within the UK, as well as the US. This is why every news story revolves around or is centred upon legal battles that attest to the willingness of the governemnt to grant said rights.
Because, as the argument is sketched out in On The Jewish question, these groups do not stand for the real material emancapation of thier members, but simply induction into the liberal order of which they form part.
Once again, as always, the paranoid reactionary fantasy attests to a truth: the politics of sexual liberation has become a function in the reproduction of both bourgeois society and the state. What is termed the 'establihsment'.
As it has been for the past two hundred years, as it will be for the next two hundred, the liberation of one class of individuals is contingent on the general conditions of the liberation of the whole. To take a Marxist position is to recognise class as the overriding factor.
No.586209
>>586158Too appetising not to see the tears from the smug centrist liberals who worship the BBC when it is barely different from Fox News
No.586210
>>586177Prepare to be disappointed, quickly alienated and disenfranchised.
No.586213
hello
any extensive readings or documentaries about the coal strikes? ive been trying to find ken loachs end of the battle but no dice
No.586214
>>586213Look at the ThemesTV reports. Incredible news reports from the ground.
No.586215
>>586174>>586178To this anon, and other anons here.
What is the path for these parties, would it be beneficial for the communist movement, that marxist parties within Britain unite into a coalition/front and eventually 'one big party', or is that unity of parties into an 'umbrella organization' (and later if ever, a singular organization) in the foreseeable future not possible; how long could this take, how much effort and how could it practically be done, or should that unity happen or is it nessecary?
And a side question: out of the organizations discussed so far what would be recommended to join, and if the Anon who said they disagree with the CPB, who's better than them?
No.586217
>>586216Reform are functionally identical to the Conservatives and Labour. Why do you care if they win a few seats in an election where the outcome has already been decided?
No.586218
>>586217RUK is the canary for how accepting the populace would be of the openly far right.
No.586219
>>586218I'm still struggling to understand why exactly I should care.
No.586220
>>586219what apathy does to a mf
No.586221
>>586220It's not apathy it's an honest assessment of the situation. If you actually care about what colour of neolib party wins the next election that's your problem, not mine.
No.586222
>>586220It's the same as Meloni's victory in Italy. Fratelli d'Italia have come to power and absolutely nothing substantial has changed.
No.586223
Happy new years lads
No.586225
>>586224So glad rishi is getting rid of those devil dogs. We need a shitbull ban next.
No.586226
>>586215It depends what your endgoal is. If it's electoral relevancy then you have to build the broadest alliance possible to bring in as many people as possible. If it is direct action then having lots of diffuse groups that coordinate and act at different levels that can often be better. If its industrial organising well you need a broad and powerful trade union movement before you can hope to turn it towards proletarian action. If it is anything else its not really meaningful and don't bother. I don't think we fix this country tomorrow if all the communist parties suddenly got together in some united front, but cooperation is essential (the Palestinian struggle ahs been exemplary in this btw, bringing together and even founding organisations on the fly to address the requirements of the campaign).
I am the anon who said they disagree with CPB (sorry but I am not joining in with Stalinists who praise Xi) but honestly I am more than willing to work with them on issues that we agree on. I am not a fan of joining a specific party because imo none have legs atm. A part of me wants to join the Greens
if they do well in the next GE because they might be a great vehicle for rebuilding mass politics but they are not a party of the proletariat and I don't pretend that they will become such. Again I think our strategy as socialists/marxists/communists/whatever in the face of a coming second Blair Government is to focus on the tangible and strategic that can be achieved through direct action. Right to Roam to open up the commons, organising & expanding trade unionisation, tenant unionisation, attacking elements of the international war machine etc. We can impart change and such movements can be used as a means to organise back into a process of mass politics that has been list in the era of neoliberalisation and atomisation. There aren't coal mines that you can convert into Little Moscow's anymore, in the age of social disintegration we need to fight on causes that bring people together and in turn create social integration. So I would say is work with parties that are willing to do that, but at the same time be a free agent. Once we are in a position where we have resocialised ourselves, then we can hope to build a proletarian party.
No.586227
>>586225HAHAHA racism is so funny HAHAHA!
No.586228
>>586227It is but you would be surprised at the fact that despite the stereotype of blacks owning pitbulls, pitbull hate is wide spread much like monkey hate is in India, or wild hog hate is across the whole world or roach hate. When a species gets a bad rep for being vermin or similar well people call for them to be killed.
No.586229
>>586227Most Bully XL owners are white you fucking yank
No.586230
>>586228>>586229I'm not talking about the owners your fascist freaks. Dog racism is racism.
No.586233
>>586225They were banned 33 years ago you mong
No.586234
>>586216Oh no, not the poor Starmerinos :(
The UK "left" is like a battered housewife to Labour
No.586235
>>586226 Tbh what you say is not exactly a bad idea but i think the best way for the British socialist movement to grow would be through directly supporting the Prolereat through charity work along with direct actions against things like housing evictions as well as piss poor housing conditions (Like clarion housing is kind of know for being cunts when it comes to maintaining there tenants living spaces and Clarion is like one of the largest housing accosiations within the UK.)
Of course uniting the Socialist parties of the UK would certainly help, as it would give the left some much needed unity which would help present it as a viable alternative to Labour and the Conservatives who are already hated by large portions of the voting electorate.
Now i'm not exactly dumb enough to think that the Revolution can be achieved through the ballot box, hell labour tried that in the 50s and look where they ended up, however i still do think that things like protest actions and other forms of raising public awareness are still extremly important in building up a base of reliable supporters for the Class war that is to come.
No.586236
>>586216Nah come on, RUK are a flash in the pan, their only purpose is to maybe force the Tories right a little, they certainly won't take over
No.586237
>>586235>Now i'm not exactly dumb enough to think that the Revolution can be achieved through the ballot box, hell labour tried that in the 50sLMAO. You can't actually believe that right?
No.586239
>>586235>Tbh what you say is not exactly a bad idea but i think the best way for the British socialist movement to grow would be through directly supporting the Prolereat through charity work along with direct actions against things like housing evictions as well as piss poor housing conditions (Like clarion housing is kind of know for being cunts when it comes to maintaining there tenants living spaces and Clarion is like one of the largest housing accosiations within the UK.)What city are you in famrade, I can set you up with a local Tenants' Union to get involved in this.
No.586240
I know it's old news, but this is absolutely fucking absurd
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-67779200<University of Bradford plans scholarship for white working-class malesCategorisation by race, gender, sex, whatever you name it does not fundamentally resolve nor represent the background you are attempting to select until you begin to pay attention to the material disparities that beget them, it will simply entrench the already existing divisions and promote an outcome which skews whatever result you hoped to gain according to it. At best it will reify issues with social mobility.
The absolute contradiction is that in order to resolve the issue of the exclusion of one section of society, the entire system must be changed. You would not need a scolarship for working class males if scolarships were granted according to fundamental economic signifiers such as income becasue it would be universally representative apriori.
But that extends to the issue of race too. Racial segregation within London for Black families is primarily a result of a history of low incomes and a dependancy on social housing (the largest ethnic group in social housing within London is Black-British). Were scolarships granted on an income basis, i.e. were the educational apparatus orientated according to the most economically deprived, or according to need, the fundamental basis for that division would be eliminated.
But that system is not in place. So before families from such backgrounds even have the opportunity to enter into a social-labour system which maintains mobility for the educated few, they are filtered out. Universities effectively have no choice but to select according to race because structurally it is maintained.
The reality of this is that these academic positions are occupied by those for whom the educational system, and by in large the system of social mobility, has worked. School places for children are decided by geographic location, which are in turn affected by house prices. Household ownership is directly related to a parent's or couple's income, which is essentially a relationship with the past historical division of wealth.
The peak irony in all this may be summed up as that, by targetting a scolarship for working class individuals, irrespective of race and gender, it is essentially admited that every other bares no reflection to the actual society from which they descend: academic research becomes the preserve, as it has in the US to the extreme, of the petite-bourgeoisie.
No.586241
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/04/john-mcdonnell-labour-britain-far-right-risk
>Britain risks shift to far right if Labour fails to enact ‘radical change’, says John McDonnell<Former shadow chancellor says public disillusionment could set in and calls for ‘real strategy’ on wages and incomes
>British politics risks an unprecedented shift to the far right as a result of public disillusionment if a Labour government fails to enact radical change, the former shadow chancellor John McDonnell has warned.
>Writing in the Guardian, McDonnell said the threat would come not just from Nigel Farage’s resurgent Reform UK but from the return of a Conservative party “shorn” of its moderate wing and dominated by populists.
>McDonnell, who served in the shadow cabinet under Jeremy Corbyn, reflected the views of others on his party’s left who are impatient with what they regard as Labour’s too-cautious approach. “The central messaging of Keir Starmer’s electoral strategy is that he’s not Jeremy Corbyn and that Labour is not the disaster that is the Conservative party,” he said.
>McDonnell pointed to the polling figures of Reform UK, reaching as high as 11%, as evidence of “how a far-right populist programme can pull the major parties on to a rightwing agenda”.
>It was Farage, Reform’s honorary president and the focus of speculation about a possible return to frontline politics, who had “polluted” Britain’s politics during the year of the referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU, McDonnell added.
>But he claimed that the “more significant danger” from the far right would emerge if voters who placed their faith in Labour did not see change.
>“People will be patient as they fully realise how broken Britain is, but the foundations of credible and radical change will have to be seen to be being laid early in the life of the incoming Labour government,” he writes, calling for a “real strategy” to restore the value of wages and incomes. There had also been a retreat on key core policy commitments, he said, such as the level of investment needed for Labour’s green new deal.
>“If Labour fails to set out early upon a path of radical change to secure the all-round wellbeing and security of our people, then inevitably disillusionment will set in,” McDonnell said. “The risk then is the potential for a significant shift in our politics to the right, with the return of a Conservative party completely shorn of any traditional one nation Tories and under the dominance of the populist right both within the party and beyond.”
>Farage has continued to keep people guessing about his intentions of a return to politics, which could involve coming back as the leader of Reform or joining the Conservatives.
>Reform’s leader, Richard Tice, told a press conference on Wednesday that terrified Conservative MPs were pleading with the party not to stand against them in the general election and that Farage was “committed” to aiding his party’s efforts.
>While the surge in support for Reform is regarded as presenting a major threat to Conservative electoral hopes by dividing the vote on the right in many constituencies, YouGov polling last year found that voters who supported the Tories in 2019 were more likely to switch to Reform than to Labour.
>A Labour spokesperson said: “With Keir Starmer’s leadership, the Labour party has changed and is unrecognisable to the party which was rejected by voters in 2019. Our five bold missions will spark a decade of national renewal, to make working people better off and give Britain its future back.” No.586242
>>586241Don't worry John, if you keep palling around with genocide supporters and asking them politely I'm sure they'll change their ways.
No.586243
BBC and Guardian reported PM Rishi Sunak's "Working Assumption" is a General Election in the Second Half Of The Year and not a May General Election that some commentators had previously guessed.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/jan/04/keir-starmer-speech-rishi-sunak-labour-conservatives-uk-politics>>586241Unfortunate News but since the start of the 2010s with the Ukraine Fascist Coup, and around 2015-2016 with the rise of the far-right e.g. US Charlottesville alongside fascist sympathizing, fascist or semi/proto-fascist electoral candidate or figures e.g. Farage or Robinson; this has been a slowly but surely increasing trend, which now seems to be intensifying in reaction to massive changes happening in the world since 2020.
Corbyn claimed he wanted an "democratic environment" during his rule, he should have purged his enemies inside the party and entrenched his policies inside the party, not sure what he could have done about the state and its force like the military and intelligent going against him apart from speak out about.
Right now, with the rift in labour from the Palestinian genocide and many progressive MPs constitutients being against any support or comprise on the issue of Occupied Palestine; surely this would be the perfect moment for an official split from labour and the creation of a social democratic party from Corbyn?
A question for Anons, let's say Corbyn somehow does create a new party (Doubtful as he missed his chance you could say with Starmer coming in to power), would this be a good opportunity for the marxist, communist left to 'unite' or 'act' together as a faction with Corbyn's party? Similar to the Russian Social Democratic Party like the bolsheviks? Or is that comparison incorrect and dated for our times?
No.586244
>>586243not with, *within
No.586245
>>586243It's just an inapporpriate comparison. Workers movements throughout Europe at the turn of the 20th century were reaching their zenith.
Compare that to today; Britain labours under a class system which has completely divided its workers thanks to the success, and subsequent death of, its social democratic gains. The traditional workers parties are a flickering shadow of what they once were, each mired in dogmatic squabbles about doctrinal verse which were antiquated before the turn of the millenium, let alone after.
If Corbyn did start a party, which would inevitably rely on his familiarity in the public eye, it would face the same issues Reform will; it will not be able to dislodge the FPTP system, and would simply threaten to steal concessions from Labour. Disregarding the baffling future that would pose, the miniscule workers parties would simply attempt to splinter whatever support it could from Corbyn's party and leech its supporters.
The conditions are completely different; there is an active section of the British proletariat who view themselves as aligned with a fundamentally reactionary ideology. Solidarity as a byword has vanished. Why? Because they are proles in the truest sense of the word: they are bourgeois subjects. They are householders, landlords, small business owners, workers disparaged who have been drawn to choose between a metropolitan elite they cannot identify with, or the party of common-sense and good household budgeting, who honour royalty and value 'traditional British values'.
The section of the working class who face growing destitution are wrapped into the same system and will form the basis for the growth in Popularism. McDonnell is fundamentally right, the absolute tragedy is that no one, not even Labour progressives will listen.
No.586246
>>586245>>586243You can even see Labour buckling under the pressure of this draw towards reactionary politics through their position on Transgender rights.
I place absolutely no stock in the Transgender argument; Zizek's critique, that the attempt to secure rights from the state in order to revolutionise the social relations of gender, fundamentally displaces the contradiction of gender altogether is the most valid.
But Labour, a party bulwark of progressive rights much like the ardent Metropolitan democrats of the US, should be engaging with and promoting solidarity. Instead Starmer has simply met the issue with quiet hesitation as he is forced to choose between a section of the electorate who see themselves as the future and one who sees themselves as the past.
If he engages with the former he will be lambasted by Murdoch's press, which has an iron grip on public's consciousness, and be seen as unelectable. If he engages with the latter, which is what is happening, he will quietly dismiss questions of sexual rights with the air of a technocrat and simply give way to the contradiction he finds himself in.
This is without highlighting their regression to austerity politics in order to secure establishment support. The overton window of bourgeois party-democracy is shifting because there is a backsliding, which is tilted in favour of Capital.
No.586247
>>586245Thanks, I thought the comparison wouldn't exactly match up due to how different the objective conditions of the world are and the subject conditions of the movement compared to the 1920s to 2020s; even with similarly rising conditions of multipolarity and rivalry worldwide but that's a different topic.
So from my understanding, you've said:
1) The Workers movement due to the concessions of social democratic gains, universal services pacifying workers, and destruction of social democratic gains, neoliberal austerity atomizing workers; this has weakened the workers movement.
2) The left, since the destruction of the USSR has led parties being divided against each other, especially ideologically, I assume trotskyists.
3) a supposed new part from Corbyn could not make any gains under FPTP nor remove it; any workers parties, the communists unlike before a increasingly smaller, will only attempt to steal supports from Corbyns party and break it up, rather than work together as a faction inside that party
4) A part of the British working class believe in and work within reactionary Ideology, due to the position they are in under Capitalism in, the roles or work they occupy that they have active interests in due to owning land and housing or their work which is tied to the capitalist system, they have no choice but a party of the explicity ruling class with no relatability or a party promoting Ideology of British traditionalism, Loyalty to the monarchy, and monetary saving.
5) Increasingly worse living conditions among another section of the working class, who are swept into populism.
In conclusion you say McDonnell is correct, the situation in the country is worsening in relation to the rise of the far right and a useless progressive left and marxist left as we've said, I would safely assume you find the conditions today to be depressingly bad?
All I can think what the fuck do we do, with how worse shit is getting, let me know if I interpreted your post right.
I fear if we the communists, can't do shit, we will not be doing anything ever.
No.586248
>>586245>the absolute tragedy is that no one, not even Labour progressives will listen.They'll listen, and then do the exact opposite, then find someone on the left to blame when it inevitably blows up in their faces.
No.586249
>>586247That is essentially it. There is no attempt to stop the reversal of this trend because there is no historical agency in order to do so. You live in a period of reaction.
You exist in a period of history much as a peasant did in medieval Europe or as a slave did in Athens. The most you can do is engage with platforms that raise political consciousness and choose how to live your life.
No.586250
Can you really blame Stramer? After all the British working class sold Corbyn and his socioeconomic reforms out for Brexit brexit brexit. Why should Stramer be so audacious with his political stances?
>>586248The Blairites will do it, not the progressives.
No.586251
>>586249It's seriously unfortunate, from my reading of lenin recently, his State and Revolution and Writing on the Basel Congress and the Basel Manifesto itself has allowed me to understand what Revolutionary action must be done and What a Revolutionary Situation is and how since 2020 and before there has been intensified or weaker Revolutionary Situations like BLM, Palestine, Cost Of Living, Multipolarity, Covid … crises of Living below and and crises of governance above; but the main thing, out of these events there has been no marxist organization or progressives to take charge of this, meaning ruin after ruin.
If we live in a period of reaction with no defence against it, I can't imagine the horrid actions that will happen; if the focus of our movement is on political education and consciousness, then that should be our main activity, and pedantically I would ask how without an actual party or organization, but as you said try as we can within whatever platform and live our life.
No.586252
>>586251 (me)
Additional I'll add those Revolutionary Situations have had progressives inside them, marxists inside them and I would regard all of them as class struggle (the general theory of social conflict which takes many forms) implicitly even if they don't explicitly mention class, they are all under the weight of economic, social, political and whatever phenomena shapes our world under capitalism; what we have is the objective conditons as Lenin says, the subjective conditions not really, that revolutionary action not really, at least in relation to Britain; maybe like Samir Amin said, history today will replay like the history of the past, revolutions in the oppressed nations rather than in the oppressor nations, but we can't be totally sure yet, there's alot of world shifts and conflicts emerging, let's see how they change the situation at home if they do.
No.586253
It's 2024, with everything we know about him and we're still discussing some kind of third party with him at the helm. Fucking hell. Did you not see his speech at the London rally demonising Palestinian resistance? Do you not see how he STILL acts like he's part of the Labour party? Do you not see how the man knows nowt about anything but being a doormat shitlib?
British leftists are EMBARRASSING.
No.586254
>>586253The WSWS still write articles in order to ritually summon his dead ghost to lash him for crimes.
No.586255
>>586253>Did you not see his speech at the London rally demonising Palestinian resistancewho?
No.586256
>>586255I assume he's talking about Corbyn
No.586257
>>586253Tbqh I'm not sure why he wore the "Lenin hat" when he
must have read State And Revolution at some point.
No.586259
>>586256Where did he shit on the Palestine resistance?
No.586260
>>586258Pup players have gone too far with this one
No.586262
>>586259In almost every speech or comment he has made about the genocide
No.586264
>>586263To be fair to them, the government has been going all out on just harming the population for various reasons. If they're kicking off about
reports about child poverty in the UK but tell the children and their parents to just deal with the poverty on their own and boasts about how the UK government is "strong" enough to break its own laws, there's little reason to assume this bully dog ban isn't going to literally involve a doggy auschwitz with police vans invading suburban streets in search of the now illegal dogs.
If you make your political message "tolerate it or we'll make it worse" like the Tories and Starmer have, you're giving people a reason to imagine how far this hostility goes.
No.586265
>>586263I mean, as of February they all have to be surrendered to the authorities, and they can't be rehomed because they're classed as a dangerous breed. Did you think they were all going to be sent to live on a farm somewhere? Also, I literally can't disagree with the boomer Facebook comment. Wages are completely out of whack with productivity, the welfare net is gradually having all of its threads cut to the point where I'm actually kind of afraid of what will happen to me when I'm old and riddled with dementia. Everything is shit, and everything is going to get worse before it gets better, and I don't even know if that will happen within my lifetime.
No.586266
>>586265no they dont
The biggest date to be aware of is the 31st December 2023. From this day, it will be illegal to sell, abandon, give away, or breed from an XL Bully, or have them in public without a lead and muzzle. In short, this is the date that they will be classified as a ‘banned breed’. Current owners must have registered for a ‘Certificate of Exemption’ in order to be allowed to keep their dog. People can apply for this licence from now and it must be done by 31st January 2024. The cost is £92.40.
In order to apply for the Certificate of Exemption, owners must also have proof of their dog’s microchip and take out third party public liability insurance for banned breeds of dogs. The Dogs Trust can provide this through their membership which costs £25 per year. A registered owner must be over 16 years old and be able to produce the Certificate of Exemption when asked to by a police officer or council dog warden, either at the time or within 5 days.
XL Bully dogs must be kept in a secure place and, when taken out, must be muzzled at all times. This may not be as simple as just putting a muzzle on and getting on with it, as many dogs will need to be given time to get used to wearing one. Now will be a good time to start muzzle training, and many organisations can provide free resources online. If you need any additional help, please feel free to speak to a member of our team.
In order to abide by the ban on breeding XL Bullys, owners of the breed must have them neutered, if they’re not already. This will apply to both male and female dogs and the dates by which it must be done vary depending on how old the dog is currently.
No.586267
Why do people care about XL Bully dog drama.
It's nothing.
No.586268
>>586267Am I wrong or is the XL Bully drama just the most recent in a line of petty-bourgeois (PB) activisms? Anti-lockdown, anti-vax, anti-ULEZ, pro-pet ownership (whatever the cost). I just can't relate to any of these 'struggles'. The PB in our country (or at least the white-van-man type) is repulsive to me. Is that because I'm a Lefty living in London? Should I see the potential in the anti-government interventionism' of the PB?
No.586269
>>586268Don't think it's just PB tbh, there's lots of working class people who have been led to believe that politics revolves around handing privileges, rights and money to "non-Britons" while taking them away from "true Britons".
Even if the ban exists because kids keep getting their faces mauled off, the ban must be opposed simply because "the left" is supposedly demanding it and apparently "won't stop there".
No.586270
>>586268I didn't think of that, additionally I'd say much of that petty bourgeois activism seems conspiratorial verging on far right Ideology, I don't see it aiding us, the communist movement, their "activism" doesn't say anything about the class struggle (Unlike BLM for example, which showed the class struggle and still we have lessons to learn from), it tells me that the middle class are going into some psychosis maybe due to their dwindling economic position.
>>586269Also this unfortunately many working class white people are simply racist, they only see a fictional "white working class" and can't see the working class for what it actually is, in its true variety or diversity, meaning they can't see even their economic interests, political interests, and keep things divided thanks to intelligence assets like Stephen Yaxely Lennon aka Tommy Robinson.
No.586271
>>586270>it tells me that the middle class are going into some psychosis maybe due to their dwindling economic position.Perhaps, but because the economic situation is just so shit, you're practically a member of the aristocracy if you own a home at this point, thus after having anointed themselves as the "Duke of 14 Weatherfield Drive" they're suddenly very interested in the rights of men, where those rights are to fox hunting and offshore accounts, rather than to a proper meal and a warm bed after a full day's work.
No.586272
>>586270I'll just start by saying that I don't pretend to have the right answers here, but I appreciate your help:
I have to say that, despite living in England all my life, I don't really understand this country. What actually is the working class of our country? Am I working class because I am a teacher? If I talk to a retired white-van-man in the pub, is that guy working class because he thinks he is?
>>586271But we have a large home ownership rate apparently. With around 33% of homeowners having paid off their mortgage. So are you saying that all these people constitute an aristocracy? If so that's a lot of people who are relatively immune to the shittiness of life.
No.586273
>>586271>you're practically a member of the aristocracy if you own a home at this pointHomeowners have always been bourgeoisie
No.586274
>>586272>But we have a large home ownership rate apparently.It's very divided by generation and all politics and media targets generations that have this high ownership.
>So are you saying that all these people constitute an aristocracy?Not in reality, but the perception is that homeownership is so hard to achieve these days that it does make you a bit special if you own a home, especially if you've paid off the mortgage. Certainly far above the millennials and gen Z who are selfishly whining about how much money you've made on your house and sobbing about how they've not made such smart investments, while shoving avocado toast in their mouths and quitting their jobs to watch Netflix full time.
>If so that's a lot of people who are relatively immune to the shittiness of life.Unironically yes, we've have the largest pay squeeze in British history since around 2008, salaries have barely budged since then while greedflation has been out of control so if the bulk of your career was prior to 2008 then you've have much more time to accumulate money when that was possible than millennial and Gen Z who most of (or their entire careers) have been during this wage squeeze where such accumulation was not possible.
To be clear, not everyone who owns a house is having the life of riley, but it's certainly considered the golden ticket these days that lefties and young'uns want to steal and give to themselves or, for a racist twist, to an illegal migrant, and thus defend from them fiercely. For today they're coming for your Bully XL, tomorrow it's your home.
No.586275
>>586274That's interesting, thank you.
No.586276
>>586273Landlords* If you own a home and live in it, then by all rights that's a financial liability since houses deteriorate and will eventually fall down after which you'd need to buy a new one. It's only treated as an investment and a commodity because we like to pretend building houses are a really difficult thing to do, to produce artificial scarcity and a housing
market, but as with all scam investments someone is definitely going to be left holding the bag. In this case, someone's going to pay something like £300K plus for a house built 100 years prior that sooner rather than later is going to get surveyed and will be considered a danger to its occupants and their neighbours.
In that case, the only hope is your home insurance is going to pay out enough for some kind of home to live in afterwards.
No.586277
>>586272This is a really good question, A question that I would say we should stick to Marx and other Marxists for a general understanding
If you don't know, I've had a okay-ish but rushed go at explain Class, but not the best below this paragraph. A new book came out last year explaining class in Britain which you might like called: A Nation Of Shopkeers by Dan Evans, it goes through the history of class in Britain and the current Class Structure; Also an article on Class Structure in the UK by a Communist Research Group 'Notes From Below' (article linked below); Anon from you're reading of these, please let the thread know your findings of the class structure in Britian, even if in a ranking sort of list if not a small few paragraphs.
https://notesfrombelow.org/issue/class-composition-projectMarx's theory of class struggle is the general theory of social conflict, therefore it is a broad theory.
Class is specifically related to the productiction and distribution of goods and services, whether they work relating to or own relating to those production and distribution of goods and services
Class and Class Struggle, is about the higher and lower grading of a person or peoples societal position who hold opposing economic interests, in either survival or thrival, in the holding of gold or pittance of coins; we see this from Slave and Master, Peasant and Lord in their own specific economic hierarchy, in the Capitalist System we see this class society:
For workers in a physical or intellectual aspect to obtain a wage in order to pay for their living conditions or they don't and instead are the owner, employing said workers in paying a wage to meet their living conditons, but at the same time these owners take a cut of the overall hours worked, one part goes to the workers living the other goes to that owners cut, their profits.
No.586279
If we can't unite the Marxist, Communist Left Parties nto a coalition or umbrella org, and neither unite the Marxist, Communist 'population' in A labour or other progressive party as a faction.
What is to be done? Some anons have suggested Political Education and Campaigns, so is that is, and we wait, for what, why … there has been weakened or heightened revolutionary situations across this country and the world; yet Britain's marxists for some reason have not or cannot organize under a coalition, consolidate into one big party, form a faction of an mainstream party.
Is this what like another Anon said, as if we are the slaves of Ancient Athens, the peasants of Feudal London; I am not hopeless nor cynical but I do want to know the reality of this country's situation.
No.586280
>>586277I appreciate this mate. I'll read both notes from below and nation of shopkeepers.
>>586279I see this question a lot and also the call to unite the leftist parties in Britain. I haven't a vast amount of experience here, but from the SWP i've talked to, well not to be too rude but they're kind of boring and they like Trotsky a lot. If other small parties are like that, then I don't see the worth in uniting them.
No.586281
>>586268> activisms? Anti-lockdown, anti-vax, anti-ULEZ, pro-pet ownershipThese are skin deep contestations that merely aggravate and superficially transform the pre-exisitng social relations within British scoiety into cohesive fleeting and ephemeral 'movements'. Ones in which different cross-sections overlap in their beliefs and yet still retain their fundamentally antagonistic roles to one another, because they bare no consequence on one's actual standing within the material order, but simply interpolate, or position, one as a subject of the political order of rights.
In every single on you have stated the primary conflict is not one's relation to the ownership of production but simply one's status as a citizen. These are not confined to the petite-bourgeoisie because they do not originate solely within them. The fact that you cannot relate to them is about as unsurprising as saying that you cannot relate to a club for people who own Land Rovers. The politics of the modern liberal state are a product of its own creation.
>The PB in our country (or at least the white-van-man type) is repulsive to me. Is that because I'm a Lefty living in London?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_(book) No.586282
>>586281every single one*
No.586283
>>586268>Should I see the potential in the anti-government interventionism' of the PB?Yes. None of them are actually petite-bourgeois though, you just think they are because you're a leftist living in London.
No.586284
>>586270<unfortunately many working class white people are simply racist>keep things divided thanks to intelligence assets like Tommy Robinson.Idpol for me, but not for thee.
No.586285
>>586272>What actually is the working class of our country?In Marxist terms, teachers are working class. But in 'social' terms, IE what you'll see in the newspapers, builders and van men are working class (even if they're actually owner-operators and super rich), teachers, office workers, and so on are middle class whereas only like millionaires that live in mansions are considered 'upper class'. It's an incoherent system that is just based on culture rather than wealth or status.
No.586286
>>586284What do you mean, both are related, correlated in fact: why are things divided? the racism? who is that racism targeted towards to be spouted out by? the fictional 'white working class', who actually drives it, intelligence assets like Tommy Robinson, ofcourse ultimately responsible for this division and racism is the state, Capitalism, the white working class not at 'full stop' fault; or do you mean something else?
No.586287
>>586286Edit: *the fictional 'white working class' who are just working class like everyone else are not at 'full stop' fault.
No.586289
>>586288"Yemen, Yemen, Make Us Proud!, How Many Ships Have You Turned Around!"
No.586290
>>586286My point is that race grifters who label most of the working class as being racist are just as bad as Tommy Robinson. Who, by the way, you are vastly overestimating the influence of. The man is lucky if he gets 100 people turning up to his demos, if liberals stopped talking about him constantly nobody would even know who he is.
No.586292
>>586290> Tommy Robinson. Who, by the way, you are vastly overestimating the influence ofYea, he's a spent force has been from years. Well known as a joke sponsored by a millionaire who's got kicked in from every 3rd antifascist over 30. Gets a lot of views selling an image to americans.
No.586293
>>586288https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12928373/Royal-Navy-sailors-forced-decommission-two-warships-new-frigates-wont-unmanned.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubuttonPro-Yemeni, Anti-Naval sentiment; and now with Neoliberal policies of Privatization and Austerity even applied to the Military, look at the potential revolutionary situation or consciousness we are facing.
No.586295
"you have to kill the people who are doing it [… the Yemeni Armed Forces], you have to make them accountable for their behavior"
- James Burnell Nugent, former Commander In Chief, British Navy
No.586297
Aaaannndddd we're bombing Yemen with the americans
No.586300
>>586298Surprised by the hindus.
>>586299Interestingly the result of that arbitration were much more favourable to the Argentines. They don't like to mention that one though.
No.586301
>>586297Fuck This Country, It's State and Military.
I Hope Yemen Sinks Any Of Our Ships and Blows Any Of Our Planes Out the Sky.
Free Palestine, Go Yemen.
No.586302
Any good leftist dogging groups in the midlands?
No.586303
Found this article written by a World Socialist Website writer on the day of the December protests in London for Palestine (on the 17th):
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/17/iyfv-d17.htmlIt's fairly inane reading until you reach this paragraph, in which they've interviewed someone at the protest:
<Diana said, “The paralysis of our governments, refusing to act against Israel, makes everyone feel like they have to move, they have to act, they have to do something. Just coming together on the street and showing solidarity, in the face of such grief, makes us feel like we can act and have an influence.”Which essentially summarises the circumstances in which the protestors find themselves; they have no political organ that is capable of channeling this reaction to the governments decisions, so they take to the only form of resistance they can, which in turn just serves as a counter-rationalisation; these demonstrations do not in any meaningful way challenge the hegemony Westminster wields, but entrench it.
Protesting has simply become a vehicle through which acceptable political dissent is carefully managed. One month on and after the protests on Saturday the 13th of January, nothing has changed; in fact Starmer has doubled down behind the authorisation for the strikes on the Houthis in order to protect international shipping.
A year of protesting will not change anything. The quoted woman is right but to an extent to which she is not aware: these demonstrations solely serve to pacify, and maintain the fiction that political authority lies sqaurely within the consent of the governed, when the complete opposite is true.
Hence, it is not a paralysis of the government to act, but a complete deadlock in terms of agreement. Primarily due to the material conditions of the present. All that stands is for the veil to fall, and to see what is already known; that both parties are two heads of the same monster.
No.586304
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1746241159662293199Imagine me shock, Labour doing jack shit if they get elected lmao
No.586306
>>586304This is just absolutely comical.
The peak irony is that it is explained away as an issue of choice.
No.586307
>>586302The SWP I'm sure is active around there
No.586309
Rishi is stating that he will authorise another strike against Yemen.
No.586310
>>586309How long until we are de-facto at war with them
No.586311
>>586310Knowing the recent military history of this great, self determined and independent country, whenever our masters in America start it.
No.586312
The traditional British left and right united in one struggle: to get rid of tv license.
No.586314
>>586308I'm being 100% serious here, is Starmer actively trying to lose by pushing Wes Streeting into the limelight so often? Or is he trying to make his unusual block of ham face look less off-putting in comparison by standing next to such a hideous and unlikeable person?
Wes Streeting looks like a grown up Pinocchio that gave up on becoming a real boy and decided to go with the Buffalo Bill tactic instead, so the latter option might be effective if he doesn't overdo it.
No.586315
>>586314Anon look at labour. And then look at the tories.
It doesn't matter how many genuinely insane takes they make or how many legitimately evil or retarded candidates they have, neither look like they can lose. Because there are no alternatives.
What else is there other than the frankly uncharismatic and lackluster Reform Party and SDP and the unelectable internet maymay nashunulists like UKIP.
It's all fucked.
No.586317
>>586316>the era of the peace dividend is overWhat the fuck does that actually mean?
No.586318
>>586317War good peace bad.
No.586319
>>586317The "peace dividend" referred to how the end of the Cold War allowed Western countries to shrink their military budgets and spend that money on other shit (though of course a lot of them didn't bother doing that). That's why he's mentioning in the context of raising military budgets.
No.586320
I wish I had a transferable skill. I would move to America in a heartbeat. Sick of this shithole.
No.586321
>>586320>leave one decaying neolib shithole for another?
No.586322
>>586321I have some acquaintances that want to move to America because apparently wages are much higher, I can't really see it though.
No.586324
>>586321>>586322Higher wages, houses are cheaper and the government largely leaves you alone - or at least they do compared to this country.
No.586325
>>586324I dunno as bad as this country is I really don't see myself wanting to move to the heart of darkness
No.586326
>>586325Give it a few more years of wage stagnation and you'll be sending off for that work visa
No.586327
>>586326Sigh. I don't even have a job right now so not like it matters to me
No.586328
>>586327How long have you been unemployed for?
No.586329
>>586328About a month ago I got fired, I'm gonna take some time off work to try get therapy and treatment for my ADHD
No.586330
>>586329That sounds like a good plan. I hope it works out for you anon.
No.586331
>>586316It's a common thing that the defence secretary comes out, will issue a report or make an announcement, that UK defence spending is too low we need to do more etc etc.
This is really just a continuation in that vein, except he's just putting into words the planning that is being undertaken behind the scenes, that being rhetoric which simply aims to score political points and funding.
Sunaks government have less than a year left and it will be on the incumbent governemnt (Starmer's) to actually set out a spending review; if Britain does begin to re-arm, it will begin with him.
No.586334
>>586333>faragistThe Reform Party has no charisma since Farage left, and its vague promises on restoring British Industry and making Brexit actually work isn't enough.
Even if they won it would soon becoming increasingly obvious that the way to restore industry, protect jobs and restore our national independence is through socialism.
No.586335
>>586333God I hated that TV show so much. It gave great insight into the mind of an establishment liberal though.
No.586336
>>586335>God I hated that TV show so muchI watched it with my boyfriend, it's probably the hardest I laughed all last year
No.586337
>>586336I remember one scene where it was a news interview of schoolchildren in the ~future~ and they didn't know what paper was. I can't believe people actually get paid to write this shit lmao
No.586339
>>586338Russell is a silly man.
Very excited for when I no longer have to pay for the BBC is 100 years time.
No.586340
>>586338I'm sure they think they're being very profound, which makes it so much worse.
No.586341
>>586339>>586340Very silly indeed, but I guess I kinda enjoy it because I can kind of relate, I definitely have a strand of radlib in me and I probably would have found the show profound also, when I was 14 I mean.
No.586342
>>586341I was one of the millions who only watched doctor who for the daleks.
No.586343
>>586342I watched Dr Who for the sexy lady companions
No.586345
The only good political tv series has been a very british coup.
No.586346
>>586332What absolute fucking navel-gazing. From her wikipedia:
>In 2014, Williams defended the social policy legacy of former Labour prime minister Tony Blair and denounced those calling him a war criminalThat byline is astonishing because it so openly vaunts her position to a degree to which she is not aware; reading this garbage is like watching puppets ramble on about the inanity of their own lives, all the while unaware that they have Adam Smith's invisible fist shoved up their arse. You end up with love letters like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/02/how-can-keir-starmer-win-big-this-year-by-leading-with-love-and-ambitionin which they pontificate on large about the necessity for structural reform from a party that in the same breath has abdicated all political will to do so. The sheer irony of that title being about love and ambition, from an incumbent government that is in lock-step with the securtiy state regarding Britain's 21st century imperialist policy.
This idiot straddles contradictions such that she could walk on both sides of the Avon gorge.
No.586347
>>586345Haha I was literally about to post this too. Incredible television.
No.586348
>>586332>>586346>female guardian columniststop giving it attention
No.586349
>>586348No. I almost like watching everything that could fuck up fuck up.
No.586351
>>586350but do we deserve him?
No.586353
I'm probably voting labour but I won't enjoy it
No.586354
>>586324I knew someone who moved to the US and then moved back. Said that while raw wages were higher, quality of life wasn't any better, health insurance ate up a lot of that increase in wages and there was other stuff that you'd get 'free' paid for with taxes over here. Working hours were longer and expectations higher and you'd get fuck all time off. Houses are piles of shit built with sticks, and renting is even worse than here. Although this was a good few years ago and a middle state, not one of the ones on the coast so I dunno.
No.586355
>>586345Yes Minister is pretty well written tbh.
No.586356
>>586332>I can only pray that hopefully by the end of all this the brtiish electorate will want something a bit more extreme.You are only deluding yourself. The British electorate will blame everyone except themselves for their current plight.
No.586357
>>586356they have no choice
there really is no choice in the next election
No.586358
>>586357Ken Griffin may as well have effectively announced as such with his speech
>>586316The entire apparatus has shifted and what prevails is a political dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Social life has been completely reorganized upon the new basis of wealth, see pic.
As the same time as the electorate go to the polls in order to oust the Tories in an attempt to end a decade and a half of their own political repression, what they will essentially be voting in is the beginning of its new rule.
No.586360
just saw an itv news report that people are spending shit tons of money just to be buried next to marx
sad
No.586361
>>586344There's a really fucking funny bit where she looks down the Camera and says "Blair was right to do triangulation" its so fucking bizarre
No.586362
Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika
Maluphakanyisw' uphondo lwayo
Yizwa imithandazo yethu
Nkosi sikelela, thina lusapho lwayo.
Morena boloka setjhaba sa heso,
O fedise dintwa le matshwenyeho,
O se boloke, O se boloke setjhaba sa heso,
Setjhaba sa, South Afrika, South Afrika.
Uit die blou van onse hemel,
Uit die diepte van ons see,
Oor ons ewige gebergtes
Waar die kranse antwoord gee.
Sounds the call to come together,
And united we shall stand.
Let us live and strive for freedom,
In South Africa, our land.
No.586363
>>586362God help them. Knowing the fragility of international law the Israelis will have dirty tricks up their sleeves.
No.586364
>>586360Not really accurate, unsurprisingly. Highgate Cemetery want to bury new people as that's about half their income, but the place is practically full so they got a grant to clear out old graves for new ones. Marx's area is relatively old so they're clearing our graves near him. It'd be more accurate to say people are spending shit tons of money just to be buried in Highgate Cemetery.
No.586365
>>586345No love for The Thick of It?
No.586366
>>586365Love it. Very funny. But I wouldn't call it a political thriller.
No.586368
>>586366Well he only said 'political TV'.
>>586361Haha. Yeah. The series only achieved making normies like Gene Hunt (even though he's a twat).
No.586369
>>586364I wonder what they do with the skeletons from the old graves. Do you think you can buy them?
No.586370
>>586369Incinerated and dumped in a river I'm sure.
No.586372
>>586367It's been fairly common throughout history up until urban cemeteries to reuse graves, back in the olden days they would put the bones in a charnel house or bury them deeper. It's common practice in Germany, my mum has to pay a gardener to upkeep all her relatives' graves otherwise after a relatively short period of time they'll get dug up and the graves reused. I don't really have a problem with it if no-one's around who knew or had a connection to the person, grave space isn't endless. In this cemetery's case they're doing burials over 75 years old and putting up notices and contacting relatives where possible to enable them to object.
>>586369They're digging them up, burying them deeper and doing new graves on top of them. So necromancy is still on the table.
No.586374
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/defending-britain-from-a-more-dangerous-worldGrant Shapps Decence Secretary has said:
"[We are] Moving from a post-war to a pre-war world … In five years’ time we could be looking at multiple theatres involving Russia, China, Iran and North Korea."
Shapps, is also using the above to justify increased defence spending.
No.586376
>>586375why didn't she just turn off the headset
No.586378
>>586313That's Australian anon
No.586380
I WILL NOT EAT THE MCDONALD CHEESEBURGER
No.586382
when will piers morgan die
No.586383
Full thread
WE ARE SO BACK
>it took 110 days lol
No.586384
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