>Rishi Sunak has taken an astonishing gamble in going for a general election at a time when there is still a little room to delay and the governing party is in such poor shape with public opinion.
>The Guardian’s poll of polls shows Labour 21.7 points ahead of the Conservatives, with 44.7% of the vote to 22.9%. Poll leads of more than 20 points are usually only seen at exceptionally bad moments in the midterm.
>Labour’s poll lead now is a little narrower than it was at the equivalent stage of the contest in 1997. Support for both the main parties is down on 1997, with Reform UK (11.5%) and the Green party (6.5%) picking up. The swing since the December 2019 election is a mammoth 16.8 percentage points; the previous postwar record was the 1997 swing of 10 points.
565 posts and 83 image replies omitted.>>597581>>597581>The UK's electoral system is much more FPTP dominated than the typical Euro country though. To me this only means their collapse will be far more spectacular.
>Which encourages the main parties to last forever like the USA.Very little lasts forever. The USA's political parties don't exactly seem long for this world right now either.
>>597582USA will forever be in a different situation, because the campaign contribution laws (among other things) basically make it impossible for an upstart to occur without the bourgeoisie massively supporting it financially from the get go, and us porky is also caught up in culture war issues between itself that are already being used by the two parties as the only distinguishing factor.
USA literally is designed to be unable to be changed by vooting, its something the founding fathers werent exactly coy about admitting all the time
>>597584>first they came for the trans people>…etc
Hope you britbongs have guns to defend yourself.
>>597584Lol Reform has now put out a statement saying he's actually right
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/10/reform-uk-defends-candidate-over-hitler-neutrality-comments"Reform UK has defended one of its candidates who said Britain should have “taken Hitler up on his offer of neutrality”, saying the comments were “probably true”.
The row prompted the Conservatives to directly criticise Ian Gribbin, the party’s candidate in Bexhill and Battle, who was reported to have written on a website’s comment section: “Britain’s warped mindset values weird notions of international morality rather than looking after its own people.”
The BBC said Gribbin had written that Britain needed to “exorcise the cult of Churchill and recognise that in both policy and military strategy, he was abysmal”. He is also reported to have said that women were the “sponging gender” and should be “deprived of health care”.
Reform’s spokesperson told the BBC the views on Hitler’s offer were not endorsements but were “shared by the vast majority of the British establishment including the BBC of its day, and is probably true”.
He said they were written with “an eye to inconvenient perspectives and truths. That doesn’t make them endorsements, just arguing points in long-distance debates.”
The spokesperson also told the Jewish Chronicle the party would not sack the candidate and he had “done nothing wrong.”
The BBC later said Gribbin had apologised for the “old comments and withdraw them unreservedly and the upset that they have caused”."
>>597600it would lol
if the Tories somehow got back in, Labour would be next in line. if Labour get back in, there's a good chance that Reform or an even-further-right Tory party would be next-in-line.
>>597605I don't agree.
The rise of Nigel Farage directly mirrors Plato's description in the Republic of how oligarchies fall into a state of tyranny.
>>597603you're not offering much grounds to justify that. a nominally left-wing government that comes in and does nothing (leaving them to get worse) is the worst possible thing when it comes to preventing a rightwards turn. if you want your model, look to 1974: the somewhat moderate Tory heath lost to Labour, Labour ultimately fucked it under Callaghan and implemented neoliberal fiscal and monetary policy, with the result that voters turned to the crazy right-wing lady offering change. well, they got
change all-right…
>>597607Tyrannies were originally just popular states however. But this is why plato hated them.
The thing with farage is that he does have people who like him (even if its for dumb reasons).
No one likes starmer or sunak on the other hand - they are perfect politicians.
The only "left" populists in britain by contrast are corbyn and galloway, but they wont join forces; strong personalities never usually do.
>>597607>The rise of Nigel Farage directly mirrors Plato's description in the Republic of how oligarchies fall into a state of tyranny.You're missing the part where, if farage was to become pm, he would immediately choke on implementing all this shit he is talking about, just like the tories yap about immigration for decades and yet can do absolutely nothing about it that isn't performative at best.
What they say about immigration is stinking, but why is it that there is no issues for them to implement tax cuts and privatisations, while every single one of them has no ability to deliver any of their shitty immigration pledges? There is only one answer: porky wants to keep undercutting wages by importing foreign talent and cheap slaves, so it doesn't get done.
>>597621>"Appeasement" is still the famous slur against those who didnt want to rush into a deadly dysgenic warThis is what I have never understood, Hitler's territorial conquests were justifiable right up until he annexed Bohemia. At which point we drew a line in the sand and went to war with him shortly after when he invaded Poland. If we had went to war with Germany earlier it would have been long, bloody and without much good reason because the people we would be "freeing" (in Austria and Sudetenland) actually wanted to be under Nazi rule (look at Czech election results in the 30s).
British foreign policy during "appeasement" wasn't cowardly for not being insanely hawkish and forgoing any and all diplomacy.
>Churchill also fucked up the indians by killing millions of them. He is one of the monsters of history that is strangely celebrated as a hero. He was a fat, drunk villain.The Churchill worship is one of the cringest things about this country tbh.
>>597626what if we used the party name? Reform-ism!..
…I'll get back to you.
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