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Will be ready shortly, ask either about books or secondarily about videos.
Preference given to books in reverse order, so Defending Materialism, How the World Works, Economic Planning in time of Climate Crisis, Computation and its Limits, Towards a New Socialism etc

>>2273863
Mr Cock, what do you think of Amadeo Bordiga? Would you consider doing a review of The Science and Passion of Communism: Selected Writings of Amadeo Bordiga (1912-1965) ?

Dr. Cockshott, which do you think is more likely to happen first: The death of the UK labor party, or the death of the US democratic party? Both are false opposition in a bourgeois dictatorship that have imposed austerity repeatedly. Surely they are on their deathbeads.

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What are your thoughts on the followers of the Group of International Communists (GIC)? Initiative Demokratische Arbeitszeitrechnung (IDA) and Tom & Donal of the From Alpha to Omega podcast would be two examples. They seem to be explicitly rejecting calculation in kind.
Also have this meme I made of Steedman.

Dr. Cockshott, Is it possible to do labor time calculation with non-physical commodities, like software which is sold as a subscription service? Clearly necessary labor goes into creating it, maintaining it, and updating it, but since it is not sold as a commodity unit, like a hard disc, but is given as a subscribed service, a complication emerges.

Dr. Cockshott, do you estimate the United States will be able to successfully reindustrialize in the coming decades? Currently it seems like they are just using tariffs but aren't actually building new infrastructure or upgrading existing infrastructure, which is critical for reindustrialization and modernization stagnant industry.

Hello Mr Cockshott, among what strata of workers should socialists be focusing their organizing efforts primarily?

Would you agree with the statement that the big unions tend to spend their resources representing those workers with little radical potential, given their position as a labour aristocracy, for example those who work on the railways, or those who work directly for the empire, for example BAE workers, who are also reasonably comfortable

Would it not be more fruitful to organise for example service workers, such as hospitality workers, who are in more need of organising, and can inject new life into an ailing and tired movement?

Don't you think both the harmony algorithm in TANS and the procedure for short-term adjustments of prices and quantities of consumer items are too abstract? The former pretends that anything can play the substitute role for anything else, the latter only looks at each consumer item in isolation. Neither procedure takes into account which use-values are actually similar to each other.

Products could be classified with a big use-value tree grouping similar things together. (I don't believe that there is some tree-like structure of use-values out there in the Platonic Realm waiting to be discovered, but that having just about any classification scheme is better than having none and that trees are easy to work with.) This could not only be used in the algorithms, but by humans in the loop responsible for observing and potentially overriding the algorithms, with different people specialized in different tree sections.

Scottish Independence Mr Cockshott, yes, or no?

Dr Dickblast sir, do you think anarchists and marxists can cooperate for mutually shared goals?

Hello Paul, I'm a big fan. Don't take this video as an offense.

Hello professor! Do you have any thoughts on how to organize in the coming years? What are in your opinion organizational tactics and principles that western communists should take up? What do you think about the Serbian student protests?

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Hello sir, it is my understanding that you reject dialectics because dialectical materialism is an invention of Joseph Dietzgen, not Marx, and your contention is that the soviet union mistakenly attribute these ideas to Marx, and that dialectical materialism is not Marxism, and that true Marxism embraces empiricism over dialectics. Is this a correct characterization or is there more nuance to your position?

>>2273863
Can commodity production be socialised or is it inherently a feature of free market capitalism as Marx outlined? If so did the USSR achieve socialist commodity production?

Have you seen the animated Si-fi show "Serial Experiments Lain" yet?

>>2273863
Hello Professor,
Highly-educated managers under a socialist and communist system would benefit from a return to capitalism, or from emigration to a capitalist country. They would benefit from the wealth divide and get a higher standard of living. How to tackle this problem?

Somebody has to ask:

Mr Paul, what do you think about KKE if anything at all.

Mr Cockshott. I have attached video where you adopted the bourgeoisie's vulgar understanding of production. Your video defies Communist State published proletarian political economic textbook which explains how bourgeois "services" produce no value. https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch15.htm
>Furthermore, part of the national income is transferred, by way of payments for, what are called services, to the non-productive branches (e.g., for use of municipal services, medical aid, places of entertainment, etc.). As already pointed out, no social product is created in these branches, nor, consequently, any national income; but the capitalists who exploit the workers employed in these branches receive part of the national income created in the branches of material production. From this income the capitalists who own businesses in the non-productive branches pay the wages of their workers, meet the material outlay which they have to find (for premises, equipment, heating, etc.) and take their profit.
Given the Communist State's text's definitive analysis that these sectors produce NO national income, isn't your position just vulgar bourgeois economics dressed as Marxism?

How can the bourgeoisie's consumptive industries produce surplus-value if all created value is consumed in process of production? In resturanting, the wage-worker barista makes the coffee, but what newly created value remains after the coffee is consumed? No value remains—because none was created, these industries are not unproductive, but destructive of value.

>>2276407
It is quite wrong to say that no social product is created in municipal services. It depends entirely on what activities the local council carries out. For example in the pre Thatcher period local councils provided water supplies. Are you denying that piped water is a social product? They also provided housing, which in many cases, was built by the municipalities direct labour department.

Dr. Cockshott you and others have given empirical evidence for price being 95%+ correlated to labor content, and you advocate for an economic system where labor time is used as the metric for cost… for you, what is the difference between price and value? Do you have the same opinion as Marx on this issue, or do you hold that price is real and value is a metaphysical abstraction of price away from its non-labor-related content?

Dr Cockshott, do you think that communist parties should attempt to develop communes as is laid out in TANS under capitalism? Would this contribute to building socialism by reducing living expenses and reinvesting commune profit into "collectively owned" constant capital to expand operations?

Do you have a response to Unlearning Economics (PhD Economist Cahel Moran) criticism of yourself and Michael Roberts?
(Personally I think Victor Magariño's response was pretty solid, but it would be nice to have you and Roberts respond)

>>2276416
sorry Have not read Moran

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Hello Dr. Cock,

A long time ago, you engaged in a polemic with Mike Macnair over the arguments of his book (Revolutionary Strategy) and yours (Towards a New Socialism). I remember that the debate ended without your being able to reply to two of Macnair's articles, which I'll list below:

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/824/representation-not-referendums/

https://weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/831/transition-and-abundance/

I'll admit that I'm coming in late here and don't have time to dig up any of Macnair's specific points I'd like to see you reply to, but do you have anything to say about these articles? They are noteworthy as (to my knowledge) the only serious, extensive critique of your Towards a New Socialism.

not a question but you might enjoy the /cybercom/ thread: >>2249875

Of course I want people to read the books. But if you think I get significant revenue from them you know nothing about how greedy publishers are. Every couple of years I may get a cheque for £10 or so

>>2276421
Thanks for reminding me. It might be worth doing a polemic against the CPGB to whom I have paid little attention for 20 or so years

Dr. W P C, You are known for claiming that labor time gives better price correlations than energy inputs, and that labor-time calculation should be used widely in a socialist economy. Can you say why this is for my younger brother, who is a physics student, and not very receptive of Communism?

dr. cockshott,
do you consider your atomic materialism "physicalist", or "abstract"? to clarify, do you consider "atoms" tangible, physical objects, or only abstract (mathematical, or non-empirical) entities? and if the former, do you then submit to the kantian "gap" between the phenomenal and noumenal? you have said previously that nature is not "logical", so i presume that to you, the material world is unknowable "in-itself", such as sabine hossenfelder has said (mathematics is invented, not "discovered", and so on). only a short answer will suffice. thank you very much for your time.

Hello Paul. What should I study in uni?

I'm interested in Engineering, Politics, Computer Science, Climate Change, Economics, Urban Planning, Planned Economy, Cinema, Math, Ending Poverty. Idk how to make a career out of these things.

Mr. Cockshott,

my question is,

in a 2010 interview/conversations with Francis Spufford, author of "Red Plenty", you claimed Marx's line from the Gothakritik, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" is often highly decontextualized, and needs to be understood in context of a labor voucher system, but also is merely a repetition of previous socialist slogans (ex: Louis Blanc, Etienne Cabet, the Enrages during the French Revolution) of the 19th century and shouldn't be taken as a literal proscription? Care to expand on that?

here is the link, in case you have forgotten: https://archive.org/details/debatecockshottspufford

>>2276438
The point is that when marx quotes from each according to ability to each according to need, he assumes that his reader (Kautsky ) knew that he was quoting a prior Christian socialist tradition with a phrase harking back to the book of Acts etc

May i distribute a PDF of economic planning in an age of climate crisis i made ( for myself) from a copy i bought legally? It is hard to get the info to comrades with little money.
Also should direct democracy or liquid democracy be used in conjunction with smart phones to get truly complete participation with planning and other law needs

>>2273863
What do you think of gun rights and do you believe an armed working class is a good thing?

Mr. Cock, what is your opinion on Antonio Negri, Michael Hardt, John Holloway, and the Autonomist branch of Marxism as a whole?

Dr. Cock, do you how do you account for planned obsolescence, lack of innovation, and low quality products as a fundamentally integral part of engineering and software's profit? It makes sense that the bourgeoisie make (more?) profit in hiring illegal or low-wage labor than to build robots for menial work, but how does this jive with software. For example, Boeing hiring Indians to write software at $15 an hour, Google worsening their search algorithms so the user spends more time on the page (this one makes sense as they are an advertising company, but why wouldn't they just charge the user directly for more money than they would get in ads for decent search), the lack of innovation in phones (we still don't have 3D screens of the type released by Nintendo fifteen years ago on mobile phones yet for example, VR was pushed out of mil-tech by hobbyists), or just how phones and computers are more powerful but slower than they used to be doing the same thing? Just monopolization, PMC middle manager rentierism, or deliberate retardation of technology for psychological manipulation of users that goes beyond immediate value extraction to function as an ideological apparatus of exploitative society? I understand that you don't believe that capitalists collude, as the market (?) is too chaotic, but what about within software platforms specifically? Even decommodified software like Linux has its system D controversy. Thanks.

Also: why doesn't Allin Cottrell do lectures? Would love to see you two chatting Joe Rogan style (4 hour wandering conversations.) Should we add him as another head to the Cockshott propaganda posters?

Hello,

currently I am reading Towards New Socialism, I want to ask, given that it was written in the 90s, are there parts of it you would consider obsolete? If you were to write the book now, what new things would you add to it, what would you change?

My second question is, are there any models of socialist economic planning you would consider to be a viable alternative to the one you deal with?

Thank you.

Hello Professor Cockshott

This is a difficult question so don't mind if you skip it

How would you interpret Juche, which is actually Korean for subject through your understanding of subject as a legal category?

Hello Mr. Cockshott.
Any insights on what's going on in Argentina? How is Milei keeping inflation low while doing the most libshit imaginable?

>>599189
I don't know if there's some context here that I'm missing, but Karl Marx definitely didn't address the Critique of the Gotha Program letter to Kautsky (who I don't think was politically active at all in 1875). He addressed it to the "Eisenacher" leaders of the SDAP, cheifly Wilhelm Liebknecht and Wilhelm Bracke (Bebel was in jail at the time).

Hello Mr Cybercom man. How confident are you that China will develop into a socialist system by 2050?

Mr Cockshott, here is my second question,

What do you think about the arguments around here that Hegel's method violates the The Church–Turing–Deutsch principle (CTD principle) or that its hypercomputational, or that that sort of hypercomputation is physically impossible?

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>>2273863
Comrade Paul, what do you think about this? Is this the next step of evolution and a further proof that dialectics are in motion and solidfying labor theory of value? Surely it'll rendering the most old currency known humanity for eons, wouldn't you say? What would be the advantages and disadvantages for us now? Would this discovery of CERN scientists turning lead into gold could achieve or bring about Cybersocialism to happen early in the near future? Thank you.

Hello Mr Cockshot.

What is to be done?
In other words, what can and should commies do to bring about communism?

>>2274090
>ian sneedman.jpg
Paul Cockshott, what your opinion on this video?

Mr Cockshott, is the Leninist vanguard party still the way forward in terms of organization? Any thoughts on building dual power?

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mr. cockshott,
do you consider your atomic materialism "physicalist", or "abstract"? to clarify, do you consider "atoms" tangible objects, or only abstract (mathematical) entities? and if the former, do you then submit to the kantian "gap" between the phenomenal and noumenal? you have said previously that nature is not "logical", so i presume that to you, the material world is unknowable "in-itself"?

Evening Mr Cockshott,

I'm wondering what your thoughts are on FOSS and what lessons can be learned from the movement when it comes to broader socialism.

Also what your favorite proglang and why


Hey, can we agree that identity politics are only a diversion/distraction?
While under neoliberal/neoconservative capitalism, any positive talk of the LGBT+ is nothing more than damage control or being used as a shield when there are still LGBT+ youth that have housing instability or are stuck being physically threatened/abused under their household, and the only main response for those governments is putting up rainbow flags everywhere in more populous, dense cities, as homelessness is rampant for everyone in general, including the LGBT+.
Under Cyber-Communism, will the LGBT+ have equal rights as anyone else?
Also, what are your thoughts on Oscar Wilde's "The Soul of Man Under Socialism"?

Hello Doctor Cocktopus

What are your thinkings on the ways that social media will influence socialism? It seems like a handy combination between computerized data and social organization. Perhaps we can draft the five year plans on facebook live.

>>599209
>Doctor Cocktopus
I wish I could downvote this

>>599158
Mister Cockshott, what do you think of attempts by Andrew Feinstein and others to establish a new left party built on local groupings? Would you join such an outfit? What electoral stances do you suggest they take up?

Very honored to speak with you, Professor Cockshott.
Could you please make a blogpost or video on what you think about Maoism
as a contemporary international communist movement, developing since your youth? In particular I'm very curious about what your assessment is about:
1. western European 'Mao spontaneity' for example Gauche Proletarienne, COBI(?)
2. the controversial history of PCP-SL in Peru and CPN (Maoist) in Nepal
3. the reconstituted MLM movements of CPI (Maoist) in India and CPP in the Philippines, who, after reorganizing following the critical analysis of various mistakes made by their Peruvian and Nepalese contemporaries, have seemed to develop MLM onward beyond the 2000s and have shown to be able to maintain protracted people's wars in both countries to this day. They also publish advanced theoretical works. Have you read On the Maoist Party by Ajith of CPI (Maoist) for example?
Does Marxism-Leninism-Maoism make sense as a "rupture" with Marxism-Leninism, integrating a refocused importance on mass line, criticism-self-criticism, continuous / cultural revolution even under socialism, recognition of the ability of a new bourgeoisie to reemerge within the party, the critique of the monolithic party, etc.?
And would you consider yourself a (heterodox) Maoist still (in reference to COBI)?

Dr. Cockshott, do you estimate the United States will be able to successfully reindustrialize in the coming decades. Currently it seems like they are just using tariffs but aren't actually building new infrastructure or upgrading existing infrastructure, which is critical for reindustrialization and modernization stagnant industry.

Dr. Cockshott, Is it possible to do labor time calculation with non-physical commodities, like software which is sold as a subscription service? Clearly necessary labor goes into creating it, maintaining it, and updating it, but since it is not sold as a commodity unit, like a hard disc, but is given as a subscribed service, a complication emerges.

>>599211
*DOCTOR my apologies.

Question on our movement and cause:

Doctor Cockshott,

What is the best way forward for the socialist movement in the west, specifically Britain (and America).

What is tactics and strategy should we use, to mobilise and organise for socialism?

How should socialism be presented and promoted to the general public?

Do we have the objective conditions (crises of those below and those above) and subjective conditions (zeitgeist and organisations) for a revolutionary situation?

>>599216
>How should socialism be presented and promoted to the general public?
We have to come up with a new name for it. Something like the "Abundance Party"

Mr. Cockshott

I am too late to think of a good question but I want to thank you for your great work. While the microphone is a bit lacking, the points you make are often keeping sense in a world that loses Atlas' grip

>>599218
> While the microphone is a bit lacking,
He started using OBS finally

>>599218
>>599219
Oh right.

Professor Cockshott would you please let me do some minor editing work on your videos and send them back to you for upload? I ask for nothing in return and you already have my email address ( we conversed on Skype briefly once)

>>599219
he should get a boom mic like picrel. they're like 50£ these days. would help in spreading the message

>>2276446
>I am reading Towards New Socialism, I want to ask, given that it was written in the 90s, are there parts of it you would consider obsolete? If you were to write the book now, what new things would you add to it, what would you change?
The technologies proposed to link factories to the center are now obviously obsolete with the internet. That is the main point that has changed.

>>2276490
>Professor Cockshott would you please let me do some minor editing work on your videos and send them back to you for upload? I ask for nothing in return and you already have my email address ( we conversed on Skype briefly once)
Could you not just download them to edit?

Dear Mr. Cockshott,

I've been intrigued with your writings for a while, and I am very interested with navigating putting your theories into practice.

On your "new socialism", which has come to be known as cybercommunism, I wish to understand how such a society would come about. My theory is that it would have to come about through existing means produced under capitalism, as a sort of "social network". Social networking has provided a means of making connections, and this website is certainly no exception. However, I believe that it would need to be transactional, with each member contributing to its development. We would need to build on what has come before in order to create a digital platform for a socialist movement. What is your take on this idea?

Secondly, I am also interested in cybercommunism as a means of nation-building. In our digital age, the internet has provided various ways of contributing to causes (i.e. crowdfunding). I believe that this could be an effective strategy for developing nations, autonomous zones seeking independence from their parent nation, or nations that have yet to exist. Though this largely exists in the form of taxes, could we see a crowdfunded nation come to fruition through your proposed digital society?

Lastly, I have recently come across a more right-wing influenced idea of a network-based society, known more commonly as the "network state". The idea is a decentralized economy based on cryptocurrency in which people can create based their ideas without interference from a state. One such movement is called "Praxis", who seek to build their own nation with the premise of "saving Western civilization", building a new "great city" and eventually creating a new space race. I'm curious where cybercommunism and cybercapitalism differ? Beyond planned economy vs laissez-faire, both seem dependent on the need for mutual aid.

Thanks for your time!

>>599223
people can (with varying success) use command line tools like yt-dlp to edit, but those open source command line tools are always in an arms race with youtube's digital rights management.

>>599223
I can, I just want them to be available readily. My channel has no viewers.

>>2276470
>Mister Cockshott, what do you think of attempts by Andrew Feinstein and others to establish a new left party built on local groupings? Would you join such an outfit? What electoral stances do you suggest they take up?
I am in the CP so it would depend on what attitude the CP took to it

>>2276381
>Dr. Cockshott, Is it possible to do labor time calculation with non-physical commodities, like software which is sold as a subscription service? Clearly necessary labor goes into creating it, maintaining it, and updating it, but since it is not sold as a commodity unit, like a hard disc, but is given as a subscribed service, a complication emerges.
You have to distinguish the actual process of production from the commercial model that it is operated under. Software, like books, audio etc requires considerable labour to initially produce, but can be distributed easily. So the issue is how society supports those workers doing the initial work of creating something which can later be copied. Its final cost to the consumer should be no more than the cost of copying.

1. Hey professor, it was you work that first got me into direct democracy. Do you have any plans for a full book on it?
2. Are you ever going to write an autobiography or memoir about your early days, how you got into computers, socialism, etc.

>>2276466
>What are your thinkings on the ways that social media will influence socialism? It seems like a handy combination between computerized data and social organization. Perhaps we can draft the five year plans on facebook live.
I doubt it. You need formal procedures to ensure the accuracy of data being supplied by economic units, and consequences for providing misleading info

>>2276491
>he should get a boom mic like picrel. they're like 50£ these days. would help in spreading the message
The mike I have looks like that minus the boom, it is on a desk stand

Hey professor cockshot, what's your writing process like?
I have a hard time finishing coding projects, so it's always impressive to me when someone can write big ol' books

>looks like Paully C shot has bailed out the thread
I was being locked out of the thread

Do you miss RevLeft forum? I enjoyed your posts there!

>>2276516
>Hey professor cockshot, what's your writing process like? I have a hard time finishing coding projects, so it's always impressive to me when someone can write big ol' books
I ususally write collectively. We agree on a division of labour and a time table. That discipline is a great help.

>>599235
I suppose you iterate on revisions of different chapters in parallel?

>>2276471
>would you consider yourself a (heterodox) Maoist still (in reference to COBI)?
Broadly yes. If you look at the defence of Maos on Contradiction in our book in defence of Materialism you can see that.

Good evening Professor,
I have watched your videos about the economic and political reasons for the dissolution of the USSR. You emphasized the importance of its electoral system which favored the factory managers, a class that would benefit from a return to capitalism.
My question is: if a new socialist country were to appear, how should it handle the fact that its most educated workers would benefit from emigrating to a capitalist country, or from a return to capitalism in their home country?

Greetings Dr. Cockshott I for one first want to say it's a pleasure having you on our little niche image board for Mongolian throat singing. Jokes aside. I wanted to ask about your take on the increasing cannibalism of the LLM AI that we have seen?

Then my follow up to this is how should we address the rise of AI in a cybernetic socialist manner?

>>2276463
>I'm wondering what your thoughts are on FOSS and what lessons can be learned from the movement when it comes to broader socialism.
>Also what your favorite proglang and why
Strongly in favour of free software.
I mostly code in Java, it is ugly but its portability is good. I also write a lot using the Vector Pascal compiler I and my students developed.

Please enjoy this gift from our userbase.

Posting this once more, sorry.
>May i distribute a PDF of economic planning in an age of climate crisis i made ( for myself) from a copy i bought legally? It is hard to get the info to comrades with little money.

>>2276506
>I can, I just want them to be available readily. My channel has no viewers.
If you want to edit some and send them to me I can put them up as new versions if they are better

>>2276440
>May i distribute a PDF of economic planning in an age of climate crisis i made ( for myself) from a copy i bought legally? It is hard to get the info to comrades with little money.
Yes

>>599158
Can commodity production be socialised or is it inherently a feature of capitalism. If so did the USSR achieve socialist commodity production?

>>599244
Thank you kindly.

Hello professor,
You propose a system of non-transferable labor credits for consumer purchase to prevent the emergence of black markets. However, couldn't people agree to trade with each other using a non-perishable, fungible product they could buy off the shelves with their labor credits? Do you see this as a possibility, and if you do, what do you think should be done about it?

>>2276435
>do you consider your atomic materialism "physicalist", or "abstract"? to clarify, do you consider "atoms" tangible objects, or only abstract (mathematical) entities?
When you touch anything you are touching atoms, so yes they are literally 'tangible'.
Mathematically expressed laws, for instance Einsteins formulae for Brownian motion are software by which we can predict the effects of atoms. But the atoms are not the software, the software/calculation is used to simulate the effects of the atoms.

It was accepted that they were real because the actual movement of tiny particles of latex corresponded to the movement that the calculation predicted for random bombardment by water molecules.

>>599228
that was my instinct but I couldn't word it so succinctly. thank you!

>>599167
do you expect an answer when you mock his name like that? be serious for one day lol

Do you have a favorite out of all the socialist countries, revolutions and projects?

>>2276539
>couldn't people agree to trade with each other using a non-perishable, fungible product they could buy off the shelves with their labor credits?
What would be the point?
If you can get what you need from state shops with your labour credits how would you get it cheaper by people buying stuff in state supermarkets and then engaging in swaps in the supermarket carparks?

>>2276442
>What do you think of gun rights and do you believe an armed working class is a good thing?
It is clear that Marx strongly opposed any surrender of arms by the workers. Mao said similar things.

>>2276396
>Hello sir, it is my understanding that you reject dialectics because dialectical materialism is an invention of Joseph Dietzgen, not Marx, and your contention is that the soviet union mistakenly attribute these ideas to Marx, and that dialectical materialism is not Marxism, and that true Marxism embraces empiricism over dialectics. Is this a correct characterization or is there more nuance to your position?
A bit of an oversimplification. Dialectical materialism certainly comes from Dietzgen not Marx. But Mao's dialectics are a means of anlysing political and military conjunctures and as such are a genuine innovation, bringing to the fore things which were not clearly expressed by Marx and were just implicit in Lenin's politics

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>>599253
based and Zardoz pilled

Ok signing out now, have too many other discussion threads ongoing on other media.

>>599252
>If you can get what you need from state shops with your labour credits how would you get it cheaper by people buying stuff in state supermarkets and then engaging in swaps in the supermarket carparks?
If that is the case, is there any point in labour credits being non-transferable? Would their potential tradeability cause any complications to planned economy?

>>599256
It was a pleasure!

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>>599256
Thank you for your time.

>>599256
thank you for answering our questions! sadly mine didn't get answered


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