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Trans Liberation & Marxism: Is Gender Identity Actually Anti-Materialist? | Let's Talk Patriarchy

Do you agree with the way this channel presents the anthropology of LGBT people under primitive communism? I find it to be the most fascinating part of the video.

>>1272
I haven't seen it, and i won't, but I'm going to say no.

It's a liberal interpretation to understand queerness through indigenous and ancestral lens, and to somehow magically transport it to the current manifestation of queerness. Queer identities here an now are deeply socially contingent. Any attempt to decontextualize them or universalize them is a profound ideological mistake.

The gay identity didn't exist until capitalism came around. Doesn't mean same sex attraction didn't exist before. Sexual behavior and sexual expression is extremely contextually dependent today, which people seem to dismiss, even though many many straight people have homosexual experiences growing up. If even today, the way we think of sexuality is inadequate, because it is so context dependent, imagine completely changing the context to a form of society we literally can't even conceive properly because we are so thoroughly ideologically embedded in the current mode of production.

To the trash. However, these type of arguments I assume are in the video are good against homophobes.

On the question of whether gender identity is anti-materialist, only a retard who doesn't understand even the basic idea of dialectical materialism could conceive of a heap of garbage of a question of that size. Dialectical materialism seeks to explain what IS, not what should be. It's a fact that 99.99999999% of the population can agree on is that trans people exist. Whether they're good, bad, mentally ill, confused, etc is beside the point. Trans people are defined by the gender identity not matching their gendered body. All of these ideas can be investigated as is. You don't have to reject what is.

Anyways, rant over.

>Is (oppressed minority group) anti-marxist?
Fucked up to even ask the question and you'd never see somebody doing this with like women or black people.

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homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/04/01.htm

>>1273
> haven't seen it, and i won't, but I'm going to say no.
Why type out a long response to something you didn't even look at? People baffle me sometimes.
>It's a liberal interpretation to understand queerness through indigenous
not what's happening
>and ancestral lens
not what's happening either
>, and to somehow magically transport it to the current manifestation of queerness.
He analyzes the material conditions under which cisheteronormativity emerged (i.e. class society) by extending the logic of Engels's work The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State but I guess this Marxist class analysis is liberal even though you didn't watch it?
>The gay identity didn't exist until capitalism came around.
The video isn't saying otherwise. It is saying that cisheteronormativity emerged with class society for specific economic reasons and erased the much more local and fluid attitudes to sexuality and gender identity that existed under primitive hunter gatherer society.
>To the trash. However, these type of arguments I assume are in the video are good against homophobes.
w/e i'm just disappointed that you didn't bother to watch it

>>1276
>Fucked up to even ask the question and you'd never see somebody doing this with like women or black people.
The video is a response to reactionaries? Why do people react without watching?

>>1273
Heterosexuality was literally classified as a paraphilia at the same time that homosexuality was. Straightness is the historically contingent identity. Queerness was the privative identity. It's the same thing as whiteness and Blackness.

>>1282
I can't watch YouTube videos with a VPN. They're all blocked.

Disregard my comments then. They address my concerns quite well if what you say is true.

Queer emancipation has nothing to do with Marxism. Queers are mentally ill. They don't need emancipation. They need protection from discrimination and disability support.

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>>2148

uygha that's literally part of marxism

>>2148
If queers are mentally ill why allow them to pursue the relationships they want? Think about what you’re saying for like five seconds

>>2148
>Queer emancipation has nothing to do with Marxism
you are right because it includes non proletarian queers

>Queers are mentally ill. They don't need emancipation. They need protection from discrimination and disability support.

lol retard

also,
>youtuber slop

Not giving you any views but even queer issues don’t hold real weight for communists, they’re interclass issues that can’t go beyond recognition within the framework of the bourgeois legal state.

I support them because it benefits me, but I'm not disingenuous enough to pretend it's a heckin' communism.

>>2148
Wrong. You should probably kill yourself.

>>2148
If queers are mentally ill, straight cis folk are even more mentally ill.
Last time I checked, queers are not responsible for divorce or child abuse
Queers are not responsible for doing drugs while pregnant

>>2278
Most straight moids are mentally and morally ill actually

>>2296
dont make them sound cool


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