Has anyone else noticed when some people call for the abolition of gender (which is a position I sympathise with even though it is ultra-leftist to expect society to do away with it right now) just seem to be asking for all femininity to be erased? Like when people, and I'm assuming its mostly men trans or cis, say that we need to stop having gender, they also say long hair and pretty clothes need to be banned, and everyone should just be strong and masculine. It feels not many people are expecting gender abolition to cause everyone to become feminine. Idk its interesting hearing about this. I'm reminded of the anime Simoune where the baddies are all transmasc industrialists (I did support them when I watched it because they were historically progressive industrialists). That's basically a vision of gender abolition actually being women abolition. When you talk to lots of people you will hear this. Just ask King Lear what he thinks.
>>1971>It's all just fabric bereft of inherent meaning,>wear whatever makes you happy and/or comfortable.these two don't follow. what makes you happy and/or comfortable is socially defined, even if the fabric is just a fabric it has the inherent meaning you have been socialized into. a chair is just a chair but it has inherent value because it circulates as a commodity within society
the only way to truly abolish gender is to socialize the same sense of fashion regardless of your genitals. so yes, cargo shorts and short sleeve shirts for everyone, with rectangular cuts that hide rather than highlight the body shape. you probably have many pseudo-intellectual vague platitudes against this very practical and achievable attitude but I literally do not care because you don't have a realistic or concrete alternative so my approach will always prevail over yours
>>1978>a chair is just a chair but it has inherent value because it circulates as a commodity within societyThat value is not inherent to the chair, that value is derived from its status as a commodity.
>what makes you happy and/or comfortable is socially definedNot entirely. Wearing a puffer jacket in hot weather will never be comfortable.
>the only way to truly abolish gender is to socialize the same sense of fashion regardless of your genitals.You're right that socializing the next generation to believe differently than we do is the only way to abolish gender but you're wrong that the only viable socialization is towards the exact same uniform. It would be just as feasible to socialize kids to understand that they can wear whatever they're drawn to for whatever reason they please.
Your conception of fashion is locked into a Western frame.
>>1975>so i assumeHave you ever considered not being retarded and not making massive vibes-based generalizations based on two not-even-loosely-connected posts from "a long time ago"?
No you haven't because you're a nametard.
>>2042>namefaglol! newfag
>two not-even-loosely-connected postsit was an entire thread and i think i also got flak for posting about gender-neutral skirts on bunkerchan, though don't quote me on that
>>1968>it is ultra-leftist to expect society to do away with it right nowthis is the same as the acceleration debate. people think marx was an accelerationist or gender abolitionist but he did not say that people
should accelerate contradictions or abolish gender he said that as technology increases contradictions increase and the frequency of crisis increases, and that many things we thought were solid will melt away into air exposing what was really beneath them. its not something you do, at least not directly, just like you cant "do communism". social relations change as a byproduct of increasing the material forces of production. you dont get to pick what happens but its likely that the gendered division of mankind will end up on the side of the default, which is man, just like it is white. of course when woman becomes man it will cease to have meaning just as if black were to become white. you dont have to have "men" do the heavy lifting if everyone who lifts things uses remote mech drones, for example.
>>1968Capitalism will restrict personal expression (including as it relates to gender and sex) if that is optimal for the production of capital. Even if it is a detriment to the individual.
Corporations restrict female expression more in full time employment, but educational institutions restrict male expression more during k-12 & arguably in higher education.
The restriction is done in different dimensions, i.e. long hair, clothing primarily for women. For men, it looks like lower educational attainment across the board, worse grades, worse attendance, and worse life outcomes.
It's hard for you to fully understand the other side of the aisle here and how men are repressed. It's not quite as obvious as a hair style or skirt length.
>>1968If “biological sex” is dismissed as meaningless or inherently contradictory, and “gender” is fully detached from material embodiment or social function, then what exactly is being transitioned? You can’t cross into a concept you refuse to stabilize.
Fellow transhumanists should stop reading so much philosophy garbo. Rather than addressing social organization of labor and capital, pseuds end up outsourcing liberation to technology or voting with your wallet or what have you.
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