/lgbt/ - LGBT

>>4172
>I have no desire to claim or identify with 'womanhood' so much as i absolutely reject 'manhood'.
That's literally the exact definition of womanhood i run with though. I doubt the people not using she/her pronouns are instead refering to you as nb or whatever, so whoever sees you as a woman is likely more correct than those other people.

Also, take a moment to think about the kind of person who doesn't like being given pronouns. They're either being smug about their ignorance (like me when i was a literal 15 years old) or would be antagonistic towards you either way.

Not to be rude or reductive as I am not trans but isn’t this what the whole enby, 3rd gender, or even outright non gender identity and so on is for? Honestly it’s kind of why I would prefer the term “sexual and gender minority” to an LGBT that has to keep growing and attaching letters to be inclusive.

I heavily relate to this. I absolutely hate masculinity and hate being a man, but i just cant think of myself as a woman. I want to present femininely but I dont mind being called a boy. Ive been in a constant state of questioning my gender for years because my experience doesnt match that of most other trans people, so I havent transitioned yet.

I never related to any of those trans egg memes, I never felt euphoria when I put on a skirt, and I didnt wish that I was a girl when I was a little kid. I dont feel like im "trans" enough to transition, and I honestly dont know what I am atp

>>4213
Isn’t your situation why people came up with the whole nonbinary thing?

Yeah femme agenders are pretty common I think. I've warmed up to the idea of womanhood since then, but I feel like if I saw how you worded it like 5 years ago I'd probably relate strongly.

>>4214
I suppose so, but I really dont want to be nonbinary. It just doesnt feel right to me. Plus I dont know what Id do if I was non-binary, since so much of society is based around the gender binary I wouldnt have any idea how I would navigate around that

>>4216
I don’t know what to tell you friend, I hope you find inner peace and stability someday

>>4172
imo gender is some combination of spook or sexual fetish and people who are heavily invested in gender (whether they're cis men buying tactical diapers or hons going "it's SHE/HER" at a gamestop) are mentally ill or trying to cope with some other insecurity or emptiness in their lives with cheap validation for their gender
i'm feminine but i don't attach any deeper meaning to it, it's just a preference

>>4213
>I absolutely hate masculinity and hate being a man
>i just cant think of myself as a woman
>I really dont want to be nonbinary
Well what now? Feel like from the perspective of anyone else, it doesn't seem like you wanna be much of anything.

>>4224
From what canto of hell did you spawn from?

>>4240
I honestly don't know what I want, and dont know if I ever will know. I was born just to always be unhappy and miserable no matter what.

>>4172
Then you are just nonbinary, its not a label it just means you don't fit into either. You don't need to discredit others to accept yourself.

By the way what is the source of the image?

>>4216
necrobumping to say that most things look difficult until you start doing them. it's like the opposite of dunning-kruger, you know so much about something that you end up worrying more than you should

>>4257
But like…I cant just suddenly start being non-binary. Its not like i can just press a button to instantly become non-binary. Im still the same disgusting male I was five seconds ago. I dont even know that much about being non-binary so I dont think its a reverse dunning-kruger situation

>>4297
Maybe you can't think of yourself as anything different from a man from a pure aesthetic lens, but is gender not an inherently aspirational trait? Your appearance is not the sole determiner of gender when there's also (I'm assuming) your behavior and introspection of your own gender which is already verifiably different from cis men.

As for the whole not-non-binary thing, you might not call yourself "nonbinary" with the connotations that it has, but seeing as how your gender cannot be easily explained within binary parameters, there's kind of no other way to describe you.

I wouldn't use this exact term on the regular, but "AMAB with non-masculine aspirations" shouldn't be that hard for us to grasp. There's quite a few people that can only truly define out gender, which in and of itself would still inform your gender. Any deeper, and there's muddiness to be expected.