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I am posting this in the lgbt board because as a queer person I think a lot of these topics resonate much louder to a queer audience, who's likely given more thought to these ideas.

as some background, me and my girlfriend recently broke up over both being traumatized and her getting tired of my ever worsening situation.

in our current superstructure it would simply be discarded as a inherently codependent trauma relationship that could've never worked and under this understanding of the world the proposed solution is avoiding these relationships completely by simply getting over the trauma before dating.

now, my first question is, what does it even mean to get over trauma? some argue that the first steps are to engage in masking, similar to how someone would hide their neurodivergence. others suggest that getting over trauma is a matter of normalizing to oneself.

neither of these seems to be particularly effective, I understand that trauma cannot be undone but neither of these strategies seems to me like much more than internalizing and individualizing a systemic fault which feels contradictory and self destructive.

now, extending this at large I find myself disagreeing with the liberal capitalist perspective on mental health, I see it as one of my core values to be radically against eugenics and I find the idea of normality repulsive and unhelpful as it is often utilized to justify this line of thinking.
I understand that some deviations from our agreed normality are inherently harmful to others under our existing superstructure but I find it very difficult to justify a culture who glorifies the suppression of any behaviors that aren't helpful to the advancement of the capitalist system.

I have tried to adopt dialectical materialism to form a coherent opinion on what is the appropriate approach to many of these questions. it has helped with identifying contradictions within the status quo but I've been unable to find any reasonable uncontradictory answer to these questions, both within our existing superstructure and within a hypothetical utopian communist society.

inb4 anarchist will do anything before going to therapy.
I have tried, it feels to me like therapy isn't much more than a social support structure that can help you identify your problems but it hasn't been very helpful at actually resolving any of them.

>>5789

idk i just find other ways to amuse myself until i innevitably relapse

Trauma is like a poorly behaved dog: It will remain to some degree, however you slowly start to train it, and it becomes more responsive to your commands for it to back down.
Patience, thoughtfulness, and grace will help get you there. I've been teaching myself piano and relearning drums to cope with a lot of my own struggles. Find a good outlet, and build some hobbies.
Unironically, this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6luG5Kiq8

>>5791
why can't i just put it down?

Idk if you already do this, but try applying dialectical materialism to yourself too. Identify what the issues are, if they are issues at all, and if you want or have to fix them. Is it something external or internal (really, everything is both at once to some extent)? You are an individual who is always changing, there is nothing about you that will not change, even your physical body will grow and change and over your life your brain structure with mature and degrade. You might need help from outside or it might be best to work through your issues by yourself.

The modern way of thinking about mental health is awful, it is completely clinical when mental health is nothing like physical health really, and what will solve it mostly is having a good community and friends or being able to describe the issues you are facing properly through philosophy or something.

As for normality its a difficult topic, there's nothing wrong with being normal but also there's nothing wrong with not being normal, really "normal" is an ever-changing thing and we should be building a social normal that includes all the working class except traitors and selfish criminals, and that excludes all the capitalist class except traitors (and the progressive petit-bourgeois who would be on the side of the communists).

>>5792
In my case, it comes from being in a certain home/social environment over a long period of time (that isn't just Brapitalism lol). That conditioned my brain to follow certain "pathways" that were means to survive that environment. Now that I'm not in that situation, those responses/behaviors of mine became not a means of survival but a habitual response to stimuli that reminded me of those darker times.

The closest to "putting down" this "dog" is a gradual process of developing new pathways and responses. It's all about cultivating understanding. Understanding of yourself, your peers, your environment. A really important step for me was understanding shame (the feeling that my faults make me inherently bad/incapable of change), and guilt (the feeling that I have done something wrong, which while painful is nothing inherent to my nature).

I found that whilst not being entirely religious, Zen and Quaker doctrines helped me build a gentle peace and helped me "put down" my "dog".

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>>5796

Aw, i was hoping it'd be more like that scene in Fight Club where Tyler Durden shoots his cheek with a pistol…

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Fuck therapy, but not psychology.
It's true that psychology and psychiatry mostly just gets people to tolerate intolerable conditions (sorry for riffing on that reactoid Ted, but he was right on that point) to make them more compliant with a system that pretty much just mentally assrapes everyone, but at the same time having the mental skills to tolerate daily assfuckings of the soul is in fact an important skill to have. I'd say it's especially useful for a communist given that our experience in life is eating a bunch of L's, always building up to a couple of big wins that we may not even get to see in our lifetimes. If that's the path we're taking, then it's necessary to be mentally tough as nails.

Problem with psychologists is that they're slow as fuck in helping you because of their limited time and because let's face it they wanna keep you around for as long as possible to take your fucking money. So here's what you do
>Get Anki
>Get "Super simple CBT"
>Get "DBT made simple"
>Read both books and put every important thing worth remembering and meant to be worked on on an anki deck meant for psychology shit.
>Work the fucking deck and the psych CBT/DBT concepts
And just like that you'll treat yourself much more effectively than a psychologist usually would lmao. If you just download your books then it's basically free therapy except its actually effective (so long as you actually do the work, but that applies to paywalled therapy too). This worked for me as an unemployed autistic transhumanist with GAD, OCD and cPTSD (In fact, after treating myself this way I've recently become able to make my own money for the first time in my life after years of thinking it was hopeless, FUCK YEAH!) so I'm sure it'll work for you.

>>5800
>It's true that psychology and psychiatry mostly just gets people to tolerate intolerable conditions (sorry for riffing on that reactoid Ted, but he was right on that point) to make them more compliant with a system that pretty much just mentally assrapes everyone

Not OP, but this is mainly why I feel resistant to the idea of recovering. It feels like im giving the capitalist society that deems me a "freak" the win by trying to change myself to be more like the neurotypical productive normal person society wants everyone to be.

I also have a lot of problems with how psychology views the mentally ill like animals to either study or lock-up. So fuck therapy AND psychology

>>5790
yeah, this is more or less the attitude I have had so far, the problem is that I inevitably end up hurting others when the relapse happens. I want to stop wearing people out, I want to stop falling into the pit of despair.
>>5791
I have spent years of my life trying to train the trauma and it has gotten less severe in some ways but very much stayed in others. my own trauma still makes me vulnerable to experiencing more of it and when this happens I lose progress on all fronts.
I have hobbies, I have coping mechanisms, my problem is that I don't want to keep running away and I don't want to hurt others in the long and difficult process of healing.
>>5792
if only things were so easy… this line of thinking brings you very quickly to the conclusion of killing the person who carries the trauma
>>5795
I find identifying contradictions within my existence and within my mental state rather easy, I have a really hard finding a way to resolve the contradictions that isn't inherently introducing more contradictions.
see the last two paragraphs merge quite easily for me, the current superstructure pushes us to aspire for an idealistic normality, it is very hard for me to answer the question of which parts of my brain should I kill, the liberal capitalist answer to this question with "everything that strays from normality", most of them in practice instead strive for "everything that makes me less valuable to capitalism". now, neither of these seems like a good answer, your nurture shapes you as a human and while some traits are inherently obstructing our existence as social animals, many others are only obstructing our existence under capitalism, or under the broader superstructure (as in conditions created by our current capitalist existence).
now, I also understand that the understanding of normality is constantly shifting under capitalism and I understand that it can be useful to keep an idealistic model of normality but I just don't see it as very humanistic to kill parts of our very existence to accommodate for our superstructure as opposed to shifting our superstructure to better accommodate for our needs and necessities.
the intent with my opening post was to see what the answer other queer marxists have adopted towards this issue as someone who is struggling to find an appropriate one.
>>5796
I am sure that this is at the very least part of the problem for me, I imagine you come from a very controlling social environment which ironically was the opposite of my very lax one. my problem was the lack of any real social support which made me very exploitable from a young age and as you can imagine this has put me in quite a few dangerous situations at an age where I absolutely shouldn't have had to deal with this kind of mental baggage.
I feel like by now I have a pretty good understanding of why I act the way I do to certain situations. I try to control my more unreasonable, emotional reactions to situations that reinvoke my most traumatic experiences. the problem is inherently that this takes a lot of mental fortitude to combat and under capitalism you cannot always be under a controlled enough environment to ensure you will handle every situation appropriately. handling badly one situation is obviously not gonna get you in a lot of trouble but over time this becomes unmanageable.
>>5800
see, I don't have inherent issues with eating the dirt and watching things getting worse and worse both systemically and within my direct existence. I put my resentment towards the way things are towards direct action, community organizing, civil disobedience and analyzing the world under a marxist lens.
you could say that I am quite functional, I have a job, I have a permanent residence and I manage to mostly hold my shit together even when capitalism makes it really difficult for anyone to. the struggles I have come with existing within a social context, people describe me as principled, determined and direct.
this inherently reads as abrasive to a considerable amount of people and this is before you even account for my inherently anti social reactions to specific traumatic social scenarios that when not under control turn me even less socially tolerable (I have PTSD from domestic violence, state violence and experiencing multiple sexual assaults).
>>5803
I kind of agree, I see the
>im giving the capitalist society that deems me a "freak" the win
part as inherently reactionary but I understand the deeper sentiment of not wanting to conform to the capitalistic idealism of humanity.

I am sorry for not sharing more potentially insightful yet directly personal anecdotes and examples, as well as keeping it rather superficial. I feel a certain amount of hurt in sharing some of my life experiences and I have some degree of concern for my personal safety in sharing some of these in a public anonymized place like this one.


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