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 No.28958

What happened to this site? it is barely populated compared the user count a few years ago, or compared to bunkerchan/8chan

 No.28959

Endchan and 8kun are far worse, almost no one visits those sites anymore. This site at least has some posters every day. Most image boards have a couple posters per weak, pretty much dead.

 No.28960

>>28958
the various splits and purges have taken their toll on the userbase each time, plus /leftypol/'s cultural moment has sort of passed. The raison d'etre of /leftypol/ was to be anti liberal identity politics but still radical left. This was appealing in the late 2010s as it was part of the anti sjw backlash as /leftypol/ fit in with both the surging interest in socialism thanks to the sanders/corbyn era and the backlash against the neoliberal girlboss / everyday feminism / buzzfeed style left-liberalism of the late obama era.

Now we live in a much darker period where the threat isn't woke neoliberalism which I would argue is already exhausted as a concept so much as far right theocratic schizos versus a collection of demoralized randos who don't want that.

The fact is the post-occupy wall street/sanders zeitgeist of the 2010s has passed and sanders losing+the failure of the 2020 BLM protests essentially blackpilled a bunch of lefties who either morphed into hipster reactionaries or just turned schizo or gave up on politics altogether.

Anyone smart from this site (who isn't addicted at least) who's read any theory at all realized this site is retarded and moved on to greener pastures, likely relatively obscure left wing reddits, dis.cords, or real life organizing. That leaves the remaining base as a bunch of theorylet ziggers/dengists who just cheerlead anti americanism, eceleb bullshit, and occasional hap00nings.

Plus like most imageboards the userbase is aging and getting too old to meme or even be bother to try and meme anyway

 No.28961

>>28960
It's happening to both the left and right, other than the strange 'Q' conspiracy addicts flooding a couple of 8kun boards, so many previous image board users have abandoned the culture to move on to other platforms and I've heard some of the old fags from decades past may have already abandoned the internet altogether as it's become unrecognizable.

 No.28962

>>28960
>muh anti-americanism
>>>/meta/28953 needs to happen ASAP

 No.28963

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>>28960
>>28961
Pretty much this. I mostly just come here to gaze upon news and happenings around the world- but the user base is in a strange sort of limbo- both being self aware that hardly anyone reads their theory as we see with the emergence of the 'Zoid, but also enough that we're starting to heal from old BOs nonsense.

At this point it's like visiting an old house- so many memories, but so many cracks, and you wonder if it'll ever fully repair or just decay.

 No.28964

>>28962
thanks for illustrating the point

 No.28965

The Chapotraphouse forum on reddit was banned, ever since people don't have any content to repost here.

 No.28966

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>>28960
Good post.

>/leftypol/'s cultural moment has sort of passed. The raison d'etre of /leftypol/ was to be anti liberal identity politics but still radical left.

This. I'm not sure if the current userbase realizes it, but /leftypol/ was a breath of fresh air back in 2015.
/pol/ had completely taken over 4chan at this point, meaning you couldn't discuss video games on /v/ or music on /mu/ without people sperging about cultural Marxism and n*gg*rs.
On the other hand, you had many people supposedly from the left who routinely came up with arguments like "voting for Hilary Clinton is more radical than for Bernie Sanders because she is a woman".
It was a hard time to remain sane as a socialist, online discourse became increasingly more political yet people seemed to have lost the plot completely.

/leftypol/ was great because you had plenty of imageboard posters who were also tired of this shit.
People would post original memes, weren't afraid to use crude language, etc. It wasn't contrite like many other leftist spaces tended to be — both online and IRL — where people would take themselves very seriously as the harbingers of the revolution.
Moreover, quite a few posters came from /lit/ and had read at least basic theory. The userbase was diverse, there were MLs of course, but they weren't the majority, there were also a lot of anarchists, "leftcoms" (non-Leninist Marxists) and even a few socdems, and there was an invective to effortpost in order to prove they were right on such and such issue.
I learned many things about socialism during the first few years I started browsing /leftypol/ and I'm really grateful for this.

>The fact is the post-occupy wall street/sanders zeitgeist of the 2010s has passed and sanders losing+the failure of the 2020 BLM protests essentially blackpilled a bunch of lefties who either morphed into hipster reactionaries or just turned schizo or gave up on politics altogether.

I don't think that's the case. In fact, I would say socialism is much more mainstream these days.
As far as I remember, talking about Marx wasn't seen in a positive light in the 2000s and early 2010s. Marx was equated with the bad aspects of AES, and movements like Occupy Wall Street were more inspired by democratic socialism and anarchism, but then most people thought of these movements as idealistic and utopian, even when they were asking for rather tame reforms.
This has changed since the late 2010s, and especially after COVID. A subreddit like /r/antiwork being talked about on TV was unthinkable, but here we are. Zoomers aren't afraid of Marx anymore because they don't envision better alternatives that would exclude Marxian theory.
In general, people are more polarized in their political beliefs nowadays, and therefore /leftypol/ kinda lost the edge regarding socialist theory it once had.

>Anyone smart from this site (who isn't addicted at least) who's read any theory at all realized this site is retarded and moved on to greener pastures, likely relatively obscure left wing reddits, dis.cords, or real life organizing.

I realize posting on /leftypol/ has diminishing returns year after year, and I realize I should rather explore my other hobbies, which are more rewarding, and read books or good blogs rather than scrolling here, but like any addiction, there is always that little voice in your head that says "what if you took a little peak, just one last time" and next thing you know, you are posting in half-a-dozen of threads

>That leaves the remaining base as a bunch of theorylet ziggers/dengists who just cheerlead anti americanism, eceleb bullshit, and occasional hap00nings.

The zigger/dengist thing is the logical conclusion of old BO's meltdown, /leftypol/ never really recovered from it IMO.
If you remember back then, it wasn't only about Rojava, but also about the Iranian protests of 2017-2019. Expressing online support for Iranian workers who were protesting against corruption and the shitty state of their economy on an obscure imageboard was deemed to be supporting American imperialism.
This mindset is due to the former realpolitik of the USSR, which has been throughoutly internalized by some Marxist sects, and made a comeback on /leftypol/ but also other places like Twitter X.
Wasn't Old BO a Marcyite? I guess this is a reminder that getting involved in IRL orgs can be counter-productive sometimes. I also blame Paradox grand strategy games for this mindset, who tend to potray politics as something that happens from the top-down instead of the bottom-up.

>Plus like most imageboards the userbase is aging and getting too old to meme or even be bother to try and meme anyway

There are quite a few zoomers on the Matrix chat, but it's true that people who started posting on 4chan in the late-2000s/early-2010s are now in their 30s if not 40s, and you need to get a life outside of the internet at this point, even as a matter of economic well-being.

 No.28967

>>28958
too much moderation. every mod has carte blanche to remove what they don't like and call it "spam". month-long bans are handed out for shitposts. any time anyone mentions this, they are called a schizo by the jannies at best, and at worst they're banned.

they give site-wide bans, and then ban you for " ban evasion" when you complain about your ban on /meta/.

 No.28968

The same thing that happens everywhere. The worst people/posters post considerably more than anyone else. It all turns repetitive shit.

 No.28969

>>28958
Management, splits and general imageboard death

 No.28970

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>>28966
>I don't think that's the case. In fact, I would say socialism is much more mainstream these days.
much like avocado toast, artisanal [insert x] and other artsy hipster shit it just sort of became mainstream culture since yesterdays hipsters are todays middle class suburbanites.

 No.28971

All imageboards are dying.
>>28966
Agreed but "dengism/zigger" is not a real problem. We've always had right wingers and nazbols and generally they get shut down or banned. The pro-China (so called dengists) and anti-imperialist/anti-colonialists (so called ziggers and multipolaristas) which are almost one and the same, have solid arguments and are at least just as read as the detractors.

The board has gotten way better in terms of idpol (complete rejection instead of half assed rejection) and a much more solid understanding of identity issues as they relate to society, class, and praxis. We have an LGBT thread that isn't constantly bombarded by queerphobia or accusations of being bourgeoise, that alone is a massive improvement of the userbase.

 No.28972

>>28966
Good post as well.

Just alittle comment:
>I realize posting on /leftypol/ has diminishing returns year after year, and I realize I should rather explore my other hobbies, which are more rewarding, and read books or good blogs rather than scrolling here, but like any addiction, there is always that little voice in your head that says "what if you took a little peak, just one last time"
It is addictive, but it's also one of the few places where I can scratch my shitposting creativity.

All other image boards – except /GET/, some foreign language boards, and that one kpop imageboard I found months ago – are filled with nazis because banning them would """""attack""""" free speech, making the sites low quality unless you just want to complain about X minority every other sentence.
It makes me wonder if imageboards as a concept would've still been popular if Moot had a back bone and banned all stormposters

I'd use social media, but the big meme ones are designed to just consume content, and the ones more focus on community have toxic communities for various reasons.

 No.28973

>>28966
well said
>pic
That image unilaterally sounds up all my feelings about a portion of the userbase here. I often ask myself, "I mean if we all read the same theory how the fuck are these guys so off the mark? Have you guys even read the same things (Marx and Lenin) wtf?"

 No.28974

>>28967
this. also mods banning VPN ips.
the mods really stifling the culture.

 No.28975

>>28971
this is one of the post 2020 retards

 No.28976

>>28966
>/leftypol/'s cultural moment has sort of passed.
Well damn this is a new angle. I guess we should all just retreat into reddit or some other captured shit. I love these demoralization posts. They always get much more insistent as shit gets worse in the west.

 No.28977

damn this thread got me sap af I think I may be one of the few zoomer posters here and also completely missed the peak era of the sight by a few years. I've been phoneposting and lurking this imageboards since middleschool but literally didn't own a PC until abt a year or two ago. lmk if theres any chill life boat servers fr. fwiw the site is slow and low pop but that gives it kinda of a cozy feel. Generally speaking I still get a good discussions(fucking galaxybrain tier by 4chan standards) as long as you avoid certain generals. I get annoyed by the whole socialism is when the government does stuff and has decent foreign policy crowd but they're only a problem cuz issa slow and small sight so a couple no-lifers can easily fuck up all discussion. It's still annoying to have some guy who has a cold war americans understanding of socialism shit there pants everytime someone has a slightly different opinion then them. Like >>28971 said alotta Dengist posters are great and have convincing arguements. Its basically the Leninhat-Tankanon users who would be annoying no matter what tendency they want to misunderstand that are the problem. I also suspect at least one or two of the mods actively side with them but thats pure speculation. tbh I could see the site having a resurgence if chan culture in general does just cuz its the only imageboard I know of that effectively purges nazis that alone makes it way more appealing to new people than any other board. ik this corny but if anyone wants to drop a fbi.gov server link I do need some chill commie servers again cuz my old acc got deleted.

 No.28978

>>28973
Mfs need to learn to do their research and organize whatever theory they own.
There is a point to quoting everything marx, engels and lenin wrote like the gospel. Most of it is accurate for the time. Their lives are well understood and so are the caveats i.e. specific tactical positions.
Better yet, quote often and for every time explain the circumstances of the quote and why it may be applied outside of them.

 No.28979

most users left last year i think
it's gone the way of every imageboard

 No.28980

>>28971
>have solid arguments
pretty much every interaction i've had with them has been them throwing a bad faith tantrum
these are people who have been isolated from society and developmentally inhibited as a result, i think

 No.29051

>>28967
This is exactly why .net came into existence in the first place.

I think anons saying that the cultural moment of leftypol has post might hold some validity, but, I think it has more to do with this than anything.


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