How different is contemporary /leftypol/ from its past iterations so to speak? Be it on back on 8ch or the splits in the past few years. Are people more or less retarded than back then?
>>32512but you don't understand!!1
the east has fallen,
billions must die
It's pretty shit.
The time I learned the most from /leftypol/ was 2015-2017. Old leftypol had it all: a mixture of really well read people and shitposters and memelords. And it could be really fucking sectarian, but the moment nazis walked in the whole board united against them, it was hilarious. Overall, 8chan /leftypol/ was way better educated than now. For example the leftcoms here are a joke compared to old /leftypol/ leftcoms. Anarchists and M-L posters have also declined in quality. Certain strains were more prevalent, like trots, titoists, nihilists, anarcho egoists, but have disappeared completely since then. Many people back then still loved Zizek. As far as I remember, China and Deng were almost completely irrelevant. The monthly 'Read X' spam with Bordiga, Bookchin, Cockshott, etc. Naziposter was an excellent contributor who dunked on /pol/'s ignorance. Hoochie was batshit crazy, and how weird this was the time when a board could have a female tripfag without a legion of obnoxious coomers following her. And so on… it was good while it lasted.
>>32521that would be a benefit, but theres no going back, the internet just isnt nearly the same place as it was when /leftypol/ was in its golden era. the biggest change is that in a lot of ways the "idpol" battle has been won and no one outside insane internet cliques cares about it to nearly the same degree that they used to. /leftypol/'s peak lined up with the height of left-liberal insanity about idpol and language policing so it was a refuge for a lot of people that just wanted to talk about communism or anarchism without getting swamped with that shit. now some varying degree of idpol criticism has become pretty standard or at least perfectly acceptable among the broader left, and the excesses involved in leaning too far into anti-idpol are more clear with the hazoids and "patsocs" and other assorted brainworms like that
its just a totally different landscape in general these days
>>32523of course i agree that it will never be like before but im new and i like it here it's quite comfy
seeing aktion is always fun so there are things we can do to make this a better place
>>32520>dengoids only became a big thing in like 2018 or 2019china has become the indisputable main adversary of the imperialists, of course people will start paying more attention to it. the 2 most insufferable trotskyists I know irl have been talking about it since 2016
>>32521>>32523you two are literally the worst posters here, congratulations. the only reason I allow this site to store cookies is so I don't have to re-add your filters every day
>>32517On that note
just a reminder not to engage low-quality bait in particular
>>32511>Stalinism has never been more rampant on leftypol>muh stalinismalso, nah, there were more educated ML that could argue in long effortposts and knew history, but also a lot more lib / anarchists / trots and various specific ideology vehemently defended by a couple guy. Its just that other ideologies declined more than MLs.
>forced the Stalinist Dengist to retreat lol, thats not the read I got. If anything the nuanced position always seem to win. "The move absolutely worked out both for china and for breaking unipolar imperialism, but this is dangerous in regard to future development, what will happen remain to be seen"
8chan was the most "under siege" period, so much polyps everyone mostly banded together against them. A lot more anti idpol discussion.
bunkerchan was more chill, and there were not that much big happenings either. So there was a slow decline, having already bled users in the 8chan closing. The splits and mods dramas also killed a big portion of the userbase later.
Overall the board got more homogeneous as time passed. And much like the real left, ukraine war fractured people and prolly caused some more to fuck off
>>32516the consistent anti imperialism is the best feature of leftypol. Im glad people that cant even argue without nato talking points get banned.
>>32524Finally another nazbol
now neither of us have to be virgins anymore
>>32525You really would do that? Filter by flag?
>>32528I have more filters than there are posters. if you:
>use a meme flag>use a name>use a tripcode>post more than 500 characters>use the words PMC, unequal exchange, praxis, dialectic, gender, idpol, multipolar, literally, or authoritarianI literally can't read your post
sometimes I can because the javascript regex really struggles to match everything >>32550and still causes. 8ch and bunkerchan /leftypol/ still live rent free in a few heads.
>>32554Certain mods post-2020 started pushing everything which wasn't SRSBSNS into si/b/eria, and even things which were too high-effort into /edu/. Huge mistake.
>>32515i'm gonna say it seems more like the optimism this anon
>>32518 pointed out died. But idk i left for a while between 2017 and 2019 and didnt notice the leftpol stuff. 8ch going down probably hurt things because leftypol lacked built-in opposition, but what i noticed most is the lack of active OC and the cross-platform culture spread that existed 2016-17. Maybe it was just me but there was more respect for a youtube niche somewhat tied to leftypol,
and there was old breadtube, and there was the catgirl drama. Somewhere that vitality left. A part of it seems like a newfag problem, i think 2021, with bunkerchan as it is divorced from a wider set of boards, and the tourists here for watching the protests, that all probably set the stage for a massive dilution of the previous culture. Certain norms maintain but they're more negative, and the iconoclasm and creative culture are gone. Moving here most likely made things even worse. The site
feels like its full of newfags (whether it is or not).
>>32520and yet it still felt more interesting and dynamic. The main retardation here is arguments around the theme of "are the bourgeoisie (or secret eastern communist cabal) going to bring about socialism/collapse of capitalism for us?". With idpol arguments, it brings in both libs and nazis, who have their own communities and bring in new voices and culture with them. Who (outside entity) are we discoursing with now? (infracels?? warped greyzone fans on twitter?)
>>32521it has always been that way, but tbh why bother? Who are you effortposting to? (at least that's my feeling, i used to and i gave up. And i've stopped seeing my fav effortposters here so i stop checking in so often.)
>>32524its nice that you're comfy here, it's an important reminder that while this place is less dynamic than it was before, it's still going to be in some people's growth zones. Just don't get sucked in, this place feels cultlike. If you get diminishing returns, go read something. Comfortable isn't always healthy.
>>32507I found leftypol near the ass end of the 8 Chan Era. Which had more OC granted but it was garbage for the most part but most internet stuff was back then and we loved it. I don't remember too much from that time. My favourite Era was eaely bunkerchan, lots of good OC and effort posting through late trump and early covid.
>>32564> A part of it seems like a newfag problem, i think 2021, with bunkerchan as it is divorced from a wider set of boards, and the tourists here for watching the protests, that all probably set the stage for a massive dilution of the previous culture.Imo I think the talent moved out of leftypol into the boarder internet like breadtube. And now leftypol exist as a tourist hub for happenings. I don't think it's necessarily a bad a thing. A lot of leftist creators got their start here and still come here and post. Now that leftistsim has gone mainstream somewhat and will continue to become more mainstream you're never going to recapture the magic of the beginnings of leftypol. The question is how should leftypol go forward?
>>32565oh, that does make sense too. People moved on to bigger and better things (or transitioning gender on camera for the world to see and then making self important art house cinema instead of comedy - to each their own)
leftypol should just die going forward (jk but i think it's sadly in its final stage, i don't think there will be a leftypol rejuvenation, i used to be hopeful on this and had many ideas but its not realistic i think). Re-invest attention and talents to clock app. All hail bytedance
>>32548>>32568Just by virtue of not being infested with the nazis the site is easily in the top 5 imageboards of all time and I too think despite all the shitflinging the site has an overall comfy feeling with good takes. IP count could be higher but I would be fine with it being relatively low tbh.
>>32566>leftypol should just die going forward (jk but i think it's sadly in its final stage, i don't think there will be a leftypol rejuvenation, i used to be hopeful on this and had many ideas but its not realistic i think).I think ur prolly right but I hope your wrong. I feel like if we could somehow get a 100-200 more regular users we'd have a pretty good sized community but I honestly don't even know how we would go about recruiting new users since you have the slim ass venn diagram overlap of communist and uses imageboard.
>>32507Idpol/Anti-Idpol threads as far as the eye could see.
It was a stupid discussion back then, and now it's unbelievably embarrassing how much time and thought that subject took up on the board.
It's a lot more chill now though. Mods are too friendly towards some shitty posters (cuck queer). Still an improvement, especially since board meltdowns used to happen like every 6 months.
>>32580China is Communist.
Read Stalin to understand socialist commodity production.
Building the productive forces IS class struggle.
All of those images are manifestations of the most developed forms of proletarian class consciousness.
>>32580Irrelevant
What I saw was still the opposite
>>32585Yeah 2014-2016 /leftypol/ was just as shit as I remember.
We already have more than 5 of these threads here right now.
>Multiple jews bad threads thanks to Palestine>Le Christcom thread>Why is the left so anti (X)>/isg/ lite>Disease habbening>Are the republicans far right?>/usapol/ liteI could have sworn I posted on this thread before where the fuck did my post go.Am I thinking of another thread? Jesus… Time really is just a flat circle, we never left usenet, the internet just evolves to higher file sizes…Anyway we tend to have a idealized image that board culture on 8chan peaked around 2015, when in reality it only began peaking and going up and down, but was consistently better from 2015-2018 depending on the board, /v/ for instance worked best during 2015 and 2018 respectively for different reasons.
Regardless, the only massive difference I can think of for early 8 /leftypol/ was eceleb culture being rampant and a massive part of it. You could in theory have access to far more esoteric knowledge that has since left the netosphere because of the spiritualism meme but that's a whole other discussion…
OG /leftypol/ was about Satantrips or whatshername posting boobs.
That's it.
No other boards had as big of an eceleb culture except /co/, or /b/.
I still say that in regards to catalogging all /leftypol/ periods, 2020-late 2022 was still the worst time period for the vague approximation of the board that exists in our consciousness but is closer to the Ship of Theseus in reality.
>>32585Yep, confirms my muddied memory that this place used to be worse but only because redundant shit threads were allowed. Also slightly more incel shit since that was the current thing in 2014, and crypto-reactionary "socialists" (that FdB thread).
Otherwise, no major differences.
>>32594You right but check the archives from the other periods, they don't exactly differ much, you can argue again /leftypol/ lost
>Obscurant theory>Casual threads>E celebsBut it's overall not too different from now.
>>32599The only way out is through
>banning it on sightPretty sure this never happened. This strongly seems to be a myth to me. It's made up.
>>32507Equally retarded, different flavor.
At least the decline in quality has plateaued, though there will never ever ever ever be OC creators ever again due to how dogshit this place is now.
>>32613>>32614I was there.
What women were hated on?
What minorities were hated on?
Stop making shit up.
>>32611>smarter userbaseAre you retarded?
>nicer userbaseThat's just typical zoomers timidity.
>>32618Neither zoomer nor timid
I still rather have a place where people talk to each other like human beings instead of constantly screaming at each other
>>32618>That's just typical zoomers timidity.Damn yall really embraced your inner boomer.
>>32611>>32613imageboards seem more or less the same.
>>32554Are you sure about that?
>>32548IDK, This place treats me the same as everywhere else so its kinda 50/50.
7chan is the exception. They treat me much better than any other website
>>32599You've got to be kiding me old leftypol was basically full idpol, just more "right coded" type of idpol than now. That's partly what made it so funny and retarded.
I kind of miss all the different type of leftists there were on old leftypol tho. Now it's mostly just ML and Dengist.
>>32596I've had leftypol mentioned to me irl twice.
I denied all knowledge of it both times.
Bit weird but probably maybe just an outlier I think on account of I call people a fucking retard and etc irl quite liberally.
>>32634>/leftypol/ is responsible for zizeklol, this is almost as dumb as "/leftypol/ has a writer at foreign policy"
>>32613do you really think people would do that? just go on the internet and tell lies?
>>32552>When was the last time you remember a PDF being posted to support an argument.Oh yeah. People posting videos (not even a direct upload, but Youtube) instead of that should be bullied.
>>32531Sounds like what we have here is the multi-idpölar PRAXI$ of the AUTH0RITARIAN GENDER d𝗂alect𝗂c in a 𝗅itera𝗅𝗅y une𝗊ual ＥXCHANGＥ of ideas here my fellow PMᑕ.
>>32507I've been on different iterations of the board.
This is by far the worst one so far. There were always weirdos, incels, schizos and dumbfucks, but the mods this time around have basically let the loudest assholes in the room slowly alienate anyone else who isn't also a schizo asshole - and then people wonder why the user count is dwindling
that said - the board culture is somewhat to blame. When you have a culture where the goal is to be the Edgiest Radlib-Triggerer On Earth, you end up with a culture where earnest discussion drowns under a sea of adolescent invective
>>32507A lot more reactionary with red paint.
Talk of settler colonialism would have probably labelled idpol.
>>32667even so, the idea that the Edgelord Central of the 2000s is responsible for Ohio white boys screeching
READ SETTLERS is not the plot twist I was responsible for
>>32669*plot twist I was expecting.
Fucking hell I'm tired.
>>32669goons have always been wreckers, from online games to politics, you shouldn't be surprised
they're the people who did most of the stuff 4chan got blamed for
>>32641Fucking KEK I forgot about this
>>32618 >These opinionsAh, a fellow old-fag spotted! Hello there comr8!
>>32606>Bunch of candy-assesYou reveal yourself, GETposter
>>32658>Yup, they were the ones who started and pushed the "read Settlers" meme.To be fair, when they were doing that, the LF board on Something Awful was, like, one of the only places on the internet where something like Sakai would even come up. It was also originally a containment board / gulag to shove Ron Paul posters into until it was taken over by the amoebic or proto version of internet communist shitposters who are all over the place today. It was actually a relatively small group of people.
>>32673>goons have always been wreckers, from online games to politics, you shouldn't be surprised. they're the people who did most of the stuff 4chan got blamed for4chan deserved to be wrecked. They deserve all the blame it gets and if there was internet justice they'd be nuked from orbit.
What tended to happen with Something Awful is they'd create new subforums in response to user demand or to contain something, and then Lowtax or the mods would eventually tire of their containment boards and shut it down, or goons unhappy with the moderation would spin off and start a new site. They had a subforum for, I guess, "internet drama" called Helldump which was also eventually shut down – that is now basically Kiwi Farms. 4chan started out as a more, erm, loli-friendly version of the anime subforum I think.
IMO they've always been a bit better at other sites at regulating themselves, which might have something to do with the culture or even basic structure of the website (they've historically been quicker to ban, and charge money for accounts). There's a certain point where the goons will start to go too far with it, but they cut it off before it bleeds over into real life generally. They will squelch an entire subforum if it causes too many headaches, like /pol/ would've been smashed years ago if it was on the forums. Like, delete forum, mass bannings.
>>32519 Holy shit leftychan still exists?!?! They're only on their 3rd Ukraine war general must be a really slow board. Does anyone have a read on the quality of the place? Are they still obsessed with Idpol like during the split?
Anyway onto the main topic. I left here around 2020ish I want to say? Have been here since the 8chan days. I still come back just to read news threads because leftypol still gets information faster during geopolitical events than other places usually, imageboards and news sites alike. I like being in a room of leftist voices when receiving that information usually because the propaganda of American media is irritating as hell.
Otherwise though I'm not super active because there aren't as many effortposts these days that I actually learn stuff from. This community used to help me find books to read and present nuanced discussion on many different leftist topics that helped me grow as a person. Once I outgrew/many of those folks moved on it became more boring for me. Also, I organized for 5 years irl while posting on this board then burnt out on irl organizing and haven't since so that's probably part of it.
I've had an ideological shift too towards post-marxist degrowth which is certainly part of my less intense interest in this place. A lot of anons probably have similar stories.
>>32681>Holy shit [wordfiltered] still exists?!?! Yeah. It's slow
actually it's not - it's on-par for a typical special interest imageboard, leftypol is historically an outlier in its high activity so it just seems slow if you're only used to here and 4chan but there's no shortage of people getting banned here for being in the wrong place at the wrong time and so it will be a long time before it rolls over. It will probably be alive as long as this site survives, because this leftypol.org isn't going to stop supplying it with people looking for a /leftypol/ board to post on.
>>32682And yet leftypol.org unfortunately failed to win. The coup left the community dead in the water, although to be perfectly frank, it was doomed to a permanent decline from the moment Krates resigned to let Zul be a corrupt little fuck. The headless chicken flails, but lives.
>>32685That is not dead which can eternal lie
Wow it's like we are the Walking Dead (tm)
>>325072020 to 2021 was the furthest leftypol has been from fascism in its history
It was a good time
>>32588Realistically, no, not at all
Russians in the West are obviously indistinguishable from other white people and western whites don't give a fuck what your last name is
Chinese people still get propped up by the model minority propaganda even as the US turns against the CPC
The ethnic groups that face intense repression in the West are arabs, africans, roma, and south asians
>>32697 (me)
>>32695also don't forget that affair with that necrophiliac brazilian woman, who also openly said that she's not a communist anymore. still does OF tho
>>32701>>32704One of the new commie alt-sites has just put 'no porn' in their rules, and every other month someone asks the mods here to make a separate /nsfw/ board. It's real and people notice it.
We haven't reached /pol/ level NSFW/goreporn posting yet, leftypol is at least SFW on the image side of things, but that sex-obsession culture has definitely been normalized and it is a bit fukken boring.
And before anyone accuses me of being a prude, my yiff art is on MSG. >>32719A lot of the online ML movement has fucking nothing to do with reading theory, anon
It's mostly bolstered by:
-Memes
-Appeals to authority
-Jannie censorship
-Childish insults
-Aesthetics posting
-Woke moralism (don't you know le non-whites are all MLs without exception!?)
>>32704You've got a point.
Current 4chan is infested with fascists from Twitter and incels.is posters.
>>32569>but I honestly don't even know how we would go about recruiting new users since you have the slim ass venn diagram overlap of communist and uses imageboard.The /leftypol/ way has always been to convert and retain tourists and raiders.
Publicity?
Provoke a raid?
Unique IPs: 101