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Not reporting is bourgeois


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mod recruitment thread

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Dissatisfied with the quality of content moderation on leftypol? Well here is your chance to be part of the solution!

Our volunteer trust and safety team is the invisible backbone of leftypol. They keep the topics organized and the community safe and free from spam, as well as remove content that could result in legal action against the site. They regulate user access and curate discussion in order to encourage prosocial conduct as well as facilitate the production of edifying and entertaining user generated content.

Depending upon your interests, there are many paths on which your leftypol staff journey could take you in the future, including organizational development and growth, information technology, administration, and much more.

Leftypol is a modocracy, meaning a democracy of the volunteer moderators. By becoming a member of the staff, you will not only play a critical role in maintaining a very unique digital space, you will also get a chance to make substantive contributions to our site in the future, including policy, governance, and technical direction.

To apply, join the linked element room and ask for an interview. What are you waiting for, become part of the moderation team today!

Instructions:

Join the leftypol waiting room here:
https://matrix.to/#/#leftypol-antechamber:matrix.org

Or, if you have already been admitted to the leftypol element/matrix chat, then feel free message me or @ me directly, @cyberbarbarian:matrix.org or another mod.

If I or another mod/admin sees you, you will be invited at some point to an interview room in which you will be vetted. Please be prepared to answer questions and provide an example post so we can look through your post history. This may be a time consuming process as many mods are not available in all time zones. Please be patient. We look forward to seeing you as a future member of /leftypol/ staff!

>>35672
You forgot to mention that the mod team for this site is notoriously toxic and most new mods bail within a few months because of this.

>>35673
it can't possibly be that tard wrangling (for no money!!!) gets boring rather quickly

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>>35673
It's really not, it's fairly chill though there are obviously the usual issues of organisational dynamics.

>>35674
This part is true, but if you're gonna browse the site anyway why not have the power to also delete spam and so on?

>>35674
People are going to be more willing to do shitty volunteer work if the people they're doing it with are cool. The current /leftypol/ admin are not cool and the constant drama is proof of that.

>>35676
There hasn't been a split in three years though. It's just the usual suspects that cause the drama.

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Joining the moderation team also comes with the nifty feature of being able to see user IP addresses. It's a shame that we live in such a low-trust environment these days. Sharing is caring and we can all benefit from radical transparency!

>>35672
dead link

>>35677
How many mods have left in those three years and publicly decried the mod team as being toxic while doing so?

Everyone who has tried to make real changes to the site, as you suggest people will have the opportunity to do in that video, has ended up resigning in frustration. The dictatorial and stubborn nature of certain individuals in the mod team is a common complaint.

>>35679
OK, that post has been edited

There's enough moderation already.

>>35680
>The dictatorial and stubborn nature of certain individuals in the mod team is a common complaint.
every major decision is put to a vote, see >>>/meta/35437 . Individuals really shouldn't matter, if your change is popular it will happen.

>>35683
Can we get a history of these votes with their results?
I want to see how regularly a vote is held, if there's only two per year that doesn't count for much. And for all I know these votes could just be a rubber stamp for policies already decided on.

>>35684
what answer do you expect? the obscurity of the process is a good enough hint

>>35684
Mod votes shouldn't even be secret ballot let alone secret vote tbh.

>>35685
Well if all the votes are passed unanimously for instance that suggests there isn't actually a democracy, but only a facade of one.
Or say is a dispute about a user being banned escalated to a vote or is the boss's word final on such a matter?

>>35687
yes yes we are all stalin. collectively.

Not gonna volunteer this time but good luck with the recruitment. Maybe I'll be available in a year or two.

>democracy good
we truly are filled with libs lol

>>35690
democracy is good, its just that bourgeois democracy isn't real democracy. but thats neither here nor there

>>35691
>bourgeois democracy isn't real democracy
spoken like a true retarded lib lmfao

<existing democracy doesnt meet the arbitrary requirements of the democracy in my head

literal idealist nonsense that causes libtards to be obsessed with even some fucking niche website having to be democratic holy lol

>>35692
>>bourgeois democracy isn't real democracy
>spoken like a true retarded lib lmfao
Actual retard.

>>35692
I agree that a website doesn't have to be run democratically because most people just want it to be a low overhead service.

>>35671
how much do you pay :3

>>35695
we pay in valuable experience

>>35695
Exclusive, backchannel access to the hot pockets HQ. Flavors you didn't even know existed lie in there.
>>35684
Voting as a method usually happens in bursts, doing stuff like renovations on the site or approving new features or what have you. It's unusual for votes to fail, but thats most often because things are workshopped until enough people are on board to actually pass it - voting is more a method of making everyone collaborate with the due process in this way. Votes which would "fail" and don't get any better consensus from workshopping are usually just dropped instead - there is no benefit for failing a vote, and you might have the conditions to better make the case for it later. Plus, forming in-groups and out-groups of reliable voter support for specific agendas or ideas is just a recipe for internal factionalism, so we try to avoid that kind of thing as a principle.

Bans and stuff are usually handled more informally instead. Usually it's just that mod + 2 other active mods to agree to remove a ban off of someone (ofc obviously exmpting stuff like bans made in error or accepting appeals for short bans or minor offenses, which anyone can do).

>>35697
Which tl;dr, the voting system is not run as a bourgeois democracy with parties and agendas but as a generally consensus democracy where its pretty common for people to modify their initial proposals to get a majority support.

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all chinlets will be banned

>>35675
LMAO those fucking feet don't quit your day job to start drawing anime girls

I post using a VPN, so I'm concerned that I won't have enough of a post history for y'all to vet me. Should I even try to apply?

>>35701
Worth a try, could present some posts that you have made in the past and we can see if there is anything linked to them.

>>35672
This sounds like an amazing opportunity for my IT career, what's the starting compensation?

>>35697
Great. Can we get a history of mod votes now?

Undo your blanket ban on ACP discussion and maybe I will consider it

Inb4 all the NAFOtards infiltrate the mod team. We really need leftypol.ru.

>>35705
NTA but pretty sure H*z started the ACP drama by calling leftypol pedos over some fbi.gov drama and reporting the site to the feds lol.

>>35704
someone would have to go back in the element chat and screencap a bunch of shit

>>35708
It wouldn't take that long… can you not search through messages on element?

>>35709
how far back would you want it? like a year?

>>35708
why would you organize like this instead of having a read-only board where only staff can post
it's a rhetoric question, that would be too transparent for people that only really care about psy-op'ing their own user base

>>35709
>can you not search through messages on element?
No. Matrix search if broken.

>>35704
Are you curious about a particular moderator and how they were elected, or do you want a audit concerning all votes ever conducted?

>>35710
>>35713
You know what, this is now an official FOIA request to the /leftypol/ mod team. I would like an audit of all the votes and their results dating back to 2021, including the way each mod voted if you don't use secret ballots.

If you had just posted the vote results when they took place this wouldn't be such an undertaking. You should probably start doing that from now on.

>>35711
>why would you organize like this
there used to be posting on /meta/ to solicit user feedback for every issue but people didnt really participate that much. Ultimately most leftypol users just want the site to be run as a service not hold an occupy wall street general assembly meeting to change the date format

>>35714
FOIA applies to the us federal government, not a private website.

>>35716
>FOIA applies to the us federal government
I know. That's why you have to comply with the request.

>>35717
says glownonymous

>>35717
I giggled. good job!

>>35719
>>35717
respond to this: >>35715

>>35720
do you understand what
<read-only board where only staff can post
means? it is not about participation but transparency. the problem is that most conversations can't be public because they love antagonizing the user base. so whatever was made public would be just a front for the actual private conversation. it is the fractal of internet discourse where there is no incentive be open or honest
I guess you want me to say that I don't actually care about the site because ultimately I can just close the tab and post somewhere else, and you are correct

>>35721
I mean i dont know that vichan has an option for that or polls so that would have to be coded.

>>35721
This isn't a bad idea in theory but I feel like it would lead to individual mods getting harassed for their votes/opinions.

>>35723
>I feel like it would lead to individual mods getting harassed for their votes/opinions
Such is the burden of "power".

>>35715
>>35721
What you are suggesting actually used to exist on a board called /assembly/. You may be able to find archives of it somewhere.

It was a read-only board where a thread was made with a proposal, and each mod would make a post in the thread voting either for or against the proposal with their name and mod tag on. It worked well and I have no idea why they got rid of it and moved the whole system to private matrix chatrooms. That's the question you should be asking.

leftypol is not a country it is a website. Its discussion infrastructure. I don't give a fuck about voting on how my electrical grid is run or how my water gets delivered through pipes or how my roads get paved. You parecon larpers want to turn a fucking website into a cross between a homeowners association and an occupy wall street general assembly meeting which isn't my idea of a fun time.

>>35727
you are taking the bait from a guy posting t roosevelt quotes about how "doers" should ignore criticism

>>35726
>I don't care about water or electricity
because your political consciousness has been neutered by liberal democracy. is it that you don't care, or that you have essentially no say in it anyways so you have convinced yourself you don't actually care? why wouldn't you care about having water and electricity? this is like when housewives would tell the suffragists that they didn't care about politics, it's cope for an internalized castration
a website is different because you can live without it, it's just a website

and how is user criticism even real. you can see the posting history and shameful habits of people
>oh no, a guy with 15 posts in the bbw thread thinks I'm racist, I guess I have to kill myself now

>>35725
>It was a read-only board where a thread was made with a proposal, and each mod would make a post in the thread voting either for or against the proposal with their name and mod tag on. It worked well and I have no idea why they got rid of it and moved the whole system to private matrix chatrooms. That's the question you should be asking.
Wasn't it an affect of the split? it's hard to remember this shit.

>>35730
I don't think it was a direct consequence of the split it just fell by the wayside over time

can the new mods permaban all anarchoids and trotskyites

>>35678
One of the mods on IRC told me that he had an "IP shitlist" of the users he sought to get rid of, and that he checks all of their posts each morning to see if he can ban anybody.

>>35732
>assuming even two people will volunteer

>>35733
name?

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>>35733
I wonder if it was the same guy who wrote all these lol

>>35731
Yea, i thought it was around that time, imaybe it was bunkerchan times though thinking of it.
>>35736
Isn't that just a list of report messages?
Well, i guess not because they have line breaks but i think it's a mix of verbatim reports and additional commentary through the mod.

>>35737
>Isn't that just a list of report messages?
They're notes for IP addresses.

>>35672
this is an enticing offer, but what are the benefits like? is there a dental plan?

>>35736
>imitated pennyposter
>posted a soyjak

Oh fucking hell, please please do not make anyone a mod who wants to be a mod. In fact, please don't make anyone a mod who's ever posted on the board. Go recruit from college campuses in Oregon or something.

>>35741
>oppose your users as much as possible!!!
great advice

>>35741
then why dont you apply

>>35743
Because I'd abuse the power without thinking twice, and I'm probably the most emotionally stable poster on the board.

>>35683
At least one of the mods is pretending to be multiple people.

Losers gotta stop treating some anonymous forum with barely any users left like a fucking country or political party.
The mods are dipshits for overly moderating and making their stupid votes public or not won't change that.

>>35701
It's not a hard requirement, just a very easy way to prove you are a community member in "good standing" so to speak, otherwise you'll need some other means of proving you are active in leftypol somehow. People who had no real post history for using TOR / VPNs have been made mods before if they can reasonably prove their history prior, though.
>>35704
I don't think we've really actively cataloged them, plenty have 404'd in /assembly/ (which ofc no longer exists) and there have been different matrix chats we used for the task, which generally aren't archived either. Most aren't long-term binding decisions which aren't enshrined in one document or another though, so it was never really seen as relevant to keep the Grand Voot Document.
>>35711
0 engagement with the votes, same reason why any flavor of "user democracy" is just a pipedream. 99% of the users just want the site to function for the most part, and the 1% that do care usually care enough to become mods anyways. The minority that don't are just eternal malcontents which there is no point in trying to please anyways. Most mod talks happened in the matrix chats already anyways, so we just rebased them all there for ease of discussion.

>>35747
read >>35721
do all mods struggle with reading comprehension?

Strongly suspect this place is cooked but good on ya for at least trying something.
That's about all there is to it. Too little, too late, as usual.

>>1957276 (whoops)
It is very easy to block all VPNs since most VPNs are registered in big IP registeries as being from VPNs (in fact that's usually how we tell that a user is using a VPN), all that would need to be done is to create a script to check every post's IP at point of posting against one such database and not let it post if it is a VPN. But, there basically is no reason to do it - handfuls of mentally ill anons running around shitting and farting with a VPN don't really meaningfully affect site function, since we have plenty of ways of mass-deleting posts which don't rely on IPs to begin with. Bans are just useful for stopping or slowing down bad content, removing the viability of bad content ultimately supersedes all (especially since /leftypol/ loves to take the bait).
>>35749
Imho chans as a format are dying, but once 4chan goes (and it shall go) then all other chans will have a bit of a bounceback from nostalgia. If /leftypol/ can survive that long, I think we'll have a lasting niche as a small but interesting little chan community. We just need to keep up a continuity of community and the institutions of moderation until that point, however possible.

>>35750
Fair enough, while I find it unlikely, it's something. And something is better than nothing.
>and it shall go
It's a household name and they rarely disappear.

>>35750
>small but interesting little chan community
your lack of ambition sickens me

final bump


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